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It's always weird to see fandom interpretations of dick and damians 2009 era dynamic where dick was trying hard to step up as a parental figure when... he was literally not. Like dick didn't want to be damians dad*, damian didn't want dick to be his dad. Dicks main concerns were crushing expectations of legacy and stopping crime. He gave damian detective training and combat training, but he wasn't really trying to be a dad figure he read a lot more to me as someone who was like. If things aren't broken don't fix them. And like importantly. Dick did viewed damian as an obligation at first. He did generally not have a super high opinion of him or treat him like a regular kid. Thinking of specifically MULTIPLE INSTANCES in which damian may be in some type of danger (captured, or alone with a supervillain ,or injured) and dick is like "I'm not worried about HIM" or is just generally emotionally in something else.
Damian is often left on his own devices during the day which happens to work bc he has insane work ethic and self discipline.
*this isn't to say that one can't imagine they eventually get this dynamic, but I'm talking about canonically during Bruce is dead era
#dc comics#damian wayne#dick grayson#we were the best#ok this is going in my their dynamic tag bc I LIKE IT THAT THEIR DYNAMIC CHANGED SO MUCH#And they they were very different at first#2009 era batfam stuff#batman#robin#batman and robin#dickbats
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Batman (Dick): Tim…Tim, will you just talk to me? I want to help.
Red Robin: No.
Batman: [grabs Tim’s arm] Tim, don’t make this harder than it has to be.
Red Robin: Let me go, Dick. Right. Now.
Batman: No.
Red Robin: LET…GO! [Throws Dick]
--Tim Drake with Dick Grayson (Red Robin #4 – The Grail: Conclusion)
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Grant Morrison's Dick Grayson is essentially "The One Man that The Joker Can NEVER Defeat".
Sources: Batman (1940) #682, Batman and Robin (2009) #12, 13 & 16.
"I love that...Dick Grayson is just happy. Just, NOTHING depresses him. His parents died and he fought back. He's been a superhero since he was 10 years-old and— THAT guy; you know, who was in the Teen Titans, who KNOWS everyone, he's Superman's pal, he's Jimmy Olson's pal, he's THAT guy, you know?" -Grant Morrison
Dick is Mr. Laughs-in-the-Face-of-Danger. He out-laughed the freaking Joker (and continues to)!
#the beacon that lights up the dc universe everyone!#dick grayson#grant morrison#the joker#batman#robin#batman and robin#nightwing#dickbats#comics#dc comics#bat family#batfam
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The beginning of DickBats era (not counting prodigal) is a really terrible time for Dick when you think about it, it's about a year after Blüdhaven is destroyed (more or less) and he was passively suicidal and then this happens.
During the time in between, I kinda got the feeling that Dick was getting a bit better mentally, especially in the Tomasi run, he is getting a hobby, he has a job that he seems to really like and be good at, he is with the Titans again and the Outsiders, Donna is alive. And then Bruce dies and it is cataclysmic for the entire family. And it is cataclysmic for him except everyone else is either going to Hong Kong, having a mental breakdown, committing crimes or being 10 and an ex-assassin (Steph and Babs might actually be the only ones who are doing pretty okay). He has to be the one who can't break now and so he puts on the performance again and he does it really well.
And then Bruce comes back and things are better but he is still batman and we never got to see him take a breath and absorb all of this (also he gets shot in the head) ?
And that's without counting what is happening with the Titans (if I remember correctly, they are also a mess with Donna being the one still with him in the justice league).
And it makes me wonder if we didn't get new 52 and we did get an actual transition back to Nightwing if we would have gotten him trying to figure himself out again and take a moment to digest and take in what happened during that year.
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dickbats and dami and a younger bruce
#damian wayne#dick grayson#dickbats#bruce wayne#batman#ferris' 15 year old bruce in specific#undescribed#doodles
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A 2024 take on my Dick Grayson Batman design from 2011
Also practicing my comic production skills! Lettering is hard.
I think the feathered bat thing is a cool idea but doesn't translate super well? At some point it's like, well does a bat have feathers? it doesn't.
Also the reverse direction scallops I had to abandon. I can't harness all the ideas that 2011 me had
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Titans United: Bloodpact (2022-2023) #3-6 art by Lucas Meyer
#nightwing#dick grayson#dc#titans#raven#starfire#donna troy#tempest#garth#tim drake#robin#beast boy#superboy#dickbats#batman#jinx#lex luthor#comic art#comic books#comics#mother blood
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‘Tim, Steph, Jason... We were all robins to Bruce first...
...but you were my Robin’
[ Dick Grayson as Nightwing (and Batman) and Damian Wayne as Robin in Robin (2021) #5 ]
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Diana with Robin!Dick vs Diana with Dickbats
World’s Finest (2021) #15 & Nemesis: The Impostors #3
#You know what that is? Growth#In experience lol#Aww Dick invented his own tricks so he could also walk casually through the rays#yes Ik Nemesis came out a decade before World’s Finest but idc#its cute#dick grayson#batman#dickbats#diana prince#wonder woman
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I always love how heros only kill if there really is no other options. Even then, their deeply disturbed or torn up about it. Killing is easy. But seeing a criminal as a person at the end of the day is much harder. It takes an unfathomable amount of strength to keep this going. It won't always work and it's not easy. But there's a difference between right and easy.
Oh me too!!
Anon you have no idea how much I’ve thought about this over the past five years and come to the same conclusion every time.
There are two reasons why I like that heroes only kill as an extreme necessity.
The first is what you said. It's extremely difficult to be able to control yourself in the face of repulsiveness. Some I do believe are irredeemable but many characters are not worth killing. Because there's a lot that goes into killing. It's not just about moral ethics for me, it's also about how that impacts society. I don't know if you've seen the show "The Boys", but it's about heroes who kill. Originally they kill criminals but at some point their anger and frustration bleeds over and they start killing innocents. The repercussions on society were massive. There was a significant loss of trust and hatred and fear going on. Ordinary people like the main character and the rebel side were dragged into a world and fighting that perpetuated fear and bloodshed until everything became irreversible. It's a terrifying world I would absolutely not want to live in. In the previously posted comic Batman says:
He's not saying this lightly. In a world where killing criminals is done and seen as common place by the people, what's stopping the people from following their hero's actions? Nothing is ever contained on the internet and nothing is ever done in moderation. It's like watching your favorite superhero blast a bad guy's head off on TV and turning around to seeing your mom blast your dad's head off with a gun over an argument about going to the movies. The violence is commonplace, after all. It takes an incredible amount of willpower, far more than anyone gives credit for, to look at someone who hurt you and walk away.
The canon version of this argument and why Bruce should never kill the Joker is proved in the comic, "The Batman Who Laughs." I was terrified for Damian when he encountered that universe.
The second reason I love the no-killing rule- and it's a little more twisted- is because I love self-control.
Not just as a person who tries to practice it in their life but there’s just something so exciting about a character who fights with control.
Having someone run free is super fun to read but having someone who never breaks the line, edge so dangerously close to it, but never kill? Oh the feeling is delicious. You're left pondering-what is it? What will it take? What will cause you to break?
Ironic. I know. But you can't tell me you were never curious about their limits.
Aside from that excitement, I love how the villains are reusable. They may be your worst enemy on a tuesday but on a thursday they're dragging your broken body out of a ditch to go fight the bad guy who got on their nerves.
It's like the idiom- better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Sometimes, no matter how horrible their actions were in the past, they're keeping a larger threat at bay. For example Blockbuster and Heartless. Bane, William Cobb, Lex Luthor, Freeze, Black Manta, and Sinestro in Forever Evil. The Riddler. And when Bruce was dead/lost in time the Joker was straight up like "damn bro I'm so sad I think I'm gonna turn good" which actually sort of saved all of Gotham from that bat cult that nearly killed them. Sort of. He bailed halfway but props to him for the first half.
Also the villains in the comics are terrible people but they're good characters. Like these characters are so well-developed. You'll hate them but you'll never fully hate them because they're funny and mean and deep down, you'll never admit it but they have a small teeny, tiny point.
A couple of my favorite villain scenes:
The Riddler (Batman #699)
Joker (Batman and Robin #22)
Joker
Victor Zsaz in his undies swearing revenge on another villain. Damian and Dick in the photo
Dick bashing up Slade in Damian's body
Damian, Harvey, and Dick
#self-control is much harder than killing#just because you can doesn't mean you should#because you can't control the consequences or yourself#dc villains#dick grayson#the riddler#edward nygma#the joker#damian wayne#robin#harvey dent#two face#victor zsasz#dickbats#bruce wayne#batman#cl anon asks
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Okay, so when Dick Grayson is in Civilian Mode, he has pretty wavy hair when it's long.
Those are waves!!!
But as Nightwing he is often (not always) depicted with pretty straight hair when it's long. We do have confirmation that The Whip Tm (his super long ponytail) isn't all hair, but it is still all of his hair.
My conclusion: if he has time, he straightens his hair before going out as Nightwing. In emergencies he does not take the time to do so.
#dick grayson#long haired dick grayson my beloved#mulletwing#nightwing 1995#nightwing 1996#teen titans animated#I'm trying to think of where these panels came from i didnt pull them from my own screenshot document#so its taking a moment#im revamping that so thats why i couldn't pull from it#batman#batfam#hairstyle#batfamily#nightwing#agent 37#dickbats#robin#robin i
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whenever people want to act like the batfam was generally more unified or supportive of damian when he just got there (like acting like dick was very soft and always saying the right thing, ignoring when he was judgmental towards Damian or assumed the worst of him or said the wrong things, ignoring Tim's general judgmentalness and way of speaking/thinking about damian that can be dehumanizing) that's so boring.............. why would u wanna be boring......
like damian can be hard to like and a lot of the adults in his life act like he's hard to like. like he knows this! he's got a tough exterior and lashes out. you can't remove a lot the "reasons damian lashes out or doesn't feel accepted" without removing a lot of the damian-lashing-out stuff.
#damian wayne#dc comics#batfam#2009 era batfam stuff#dick grayson#tim drake#robin#batman and robin#batman#dickbats
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Robin: We worked well as a team, Dick, and when I went back to Gotham and Batman--Jean Paul… I liked the sound of Nightwing and Robin a whole lot better than Batman and Robin.
Batman (Dick): Which only proves the maxim…be careful what you wish for. But, funny thing… After all those years playing Robin to Bruce’s Batman, it wasn’t bad having a Robin at my side.
Robin: And now, here we both are--two Robins playing Batman and Robin.
--Tim Drake with Dick Grayson (Batman #512 – Prodigal Part One)
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"That was the 21st century Batman and Robin, THEY'VE BLOWN IT! Those guys were IT."
"My favourite part of [my run of Batman] is when Dick Grayson took over [as Batman], I could've written that for 10 years!" -Grant Morrison on Dick and Damian as the Dynamic Duo.
Source: Fatman on Batman
#dc really did fucking blow it#dick grayson never felt more unique a character ironically than when he was wearing the cowl#watching damian grow under dick's wing was an amazing experience#dick and damian's relationship is also so special to me like damian just isn't bruce's robin#dick grayson#damian wayne#grant morrison#batman#dickbats#batman and robin#dc comics#comics#bat family#batfam#anti new 52#anti dan didio#kevin smith
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I'm just gonna say it, I'm not that optimistic about James Gunn's the brave and the bold and maybe that's just because I love Dick.. He said he was inspired by Morrison's run as Batman with Damian as Robin but the main appeal of that specific era, as in Morrison with Damian as Robin was that it was a DickBats story. it wasn't Bruce under the cowl, it was Dick and the dynamic duo was reversed.
Morrison did write Bruce as Batman but not with Damian. Tim was still his Robin and then Bruce "died" was sent back in time.
So I'm worried. It feels like we are giving the storyline of another character to Bruce and I don't necessarily like that ? Because Bruce has so many more stories to take from, stories with Damian as Robin.
Unless they are doing Batman Inc ? I hope not either.... I kinda hate the entire concept.
Also Morrison retconned Talia to be a rapist and that just doesn't sit right with me. Let's hope he doesn't take that part of the story.
#dick grayson#damian wayne#dc comic#dc comics#batman#the brave and the bold#robin#dickbats#talia al ghul#bruce wayne#tw: sa#tw: rape mention#tw: r*pe
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query for the Dick Grayson fans:
If Dick didn't have to be Batman or take care of Damian during the 2009/2010 era - what do you think he would've done instead?
I personally lean towards staying in New York, as I know that's where he was living since Bludhaven got nuked. But I don't know anything else more specific since I'm not super versed in Nightwing comics before that particular era. Obviously the Titans would come back into play.......
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Some context for the question:
I'm currently writing a frighteningly expansive au where BfTC changes pretty drastically, thus shifting later comics a good bit. TLDR is Cass becomes Batman so Dick doesn't have to, and Bette Kane is the one who takes care of Damian until Bruce returns from his time travel shenanigans. Jason goes through a real Greek tragedy ordeal dealing with his life post-UtRH and post-Bruce's death. Tim's storyline throughout the 2009 era stays the same, he just actually communicates with people just a teeny-tiny bit more. Steph also becomes Batgirl like in canon, but I just don't like a lot of the writing in her Batgirl run - so I'm currently trying to reconcile that with what I think would be a lil better. The au has a very large Bette Kane focus too, as a what-if to Bette being incorporated to the larger dynamics of the "Batfam".
#dc#dick grayson#nightwing#dc comics#dickie fans pls reply!!!!#I need this for my au#taxonomy!verse#batman#battle for the cowl 2009#batman and robin#batman and robin 2009#fyi im a Dick Grayson should be an independent hero enjoyer#I prefer him with the titans most of the time#dickbats
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