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.....guys I accidentally made lore for the reaosn vaggie chose her name-
Like, I was looking at people complaining about her name, which, valid. also, I love the name change people came up with, especially 'Valerie'
But uh, I was looking at them and went 'lol what if she kept her name because of *lore*?' And then paused because I realized I'd accidentally created lore
Anddd now I have to post about it, it is the law-
So, essentially the lore I've come up with is that Vaggie kept her name because she was afraid if she changed it the exorcists wouldn't be able to recognize her, or they'd thinks he was a sinner, when they acme to take her back...because this punishment was temporary!....right?
The other reason would be because Adam, who, at the time to her, was one of the holiest beingsz he first man alive, gave her that name. And who she was to get rid of or change it?
And I think by the time She realizes that her being in hell is going to be permanent, shes nver going back to heaven, and that Adam is an asshole....Charlie already knows her as Vaggie(with hard gs ofc)
So she doesn't really see any point in changing her name, plus, her name sounds nice coming from Charlie
Is this the canon reason or why vivze named her it? HELL no, I'm pretty sure her name is supposed to be a crude joke, from what I've gathered from other people, buttt I like adding lore to things and this is my personal reason as to why she kept her name
.....also, it adds vaggie angst, and I love vaggie angst, she should have more solo fics focusing on her angst.....you can tell vaggie is one of my favorite characters
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goldenamaranthe-blog · 2 months
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Business Busted: Hell's Angels
Charlie: (sighs as she passes by Lucifer's room and slowly shuffles away)
Vaggie: (huffs as she crosses her arms) Okay, that's it! That man has been silent for the past two days. Time for this "business meeting" to take a break.
Keekee: (purrs and chirps in affirmation)
Vaggie: (walks purposely to the door and pounds on the wood) Lucifer! *bang! bang! bang!* Lucifer, open up!
-Silence-
Vaggie: Alright, you literal mother fucker, no more nice Señorita. (winds her leg back, kicks the doorknob mechanism so hard that the door flies open, and storms into the dark, poorly illuminated room) Lucifer! Charlie is worried sick... about... you.
Lucifer: (bundled up in a clean pair of rubber duck pajamas, plush blanket, hair curlers in place of a face mask, three empty boxes of Apple Jacks cereal with a dry bowl sitting in his lap, bright yellow duckling slippers, and Hell's version of a bad telenovela playing on the screen)
Vaggie: ....
Lucifer: ....
Vaggie: .....
Lucifer: (puppy eyes) .....Please, don't tell Charlie.
Vaggie: (notices the circled date saying "Divorcaversary" on the calendar next to her and softens before turning to the TV) Is that Hella-Novella?
Lucifer: (takes another bite of dry cereal) Mm-hmm, they're starting the new season after this episode.
Vaggie: .............Can I get a bowl of that?
Lucifer: (eyes widen before he scrambles to snap his fingers)
Vaggie: (a bowl of Apple Jacks manifests in her hands as a pair of soft, pink pajamas with adorable purple moths replace her normal clothes. She quickly shuffles into the room and plunks herself down next to Lucifer on the loveseat) Did Gabriella finally leave that dick-weasel, Alejandro???
Lucifer: (angrily) The last season left us on a cliffhanger where they were engaged!!!
Vaggie: (stuffs her face with cereal before gasping in disbelief) No! Gabriela, ¿por qué?
Luficer: I know! (angrily chews his cereal in a way that sounds like its made of bones) But! We also got to see Rafael get the wedding invite from his sister and is on his way to crash the wedding!
Vaggie: I'm definitely more of a Gabriella - Luceda fan, but Go, Raf!!!
Part 1
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bigfatbimbo · 25 days
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the vees (individually or together) with a reader who plays guitar/an instrument? i love your vees x dom reader series!
The Vees x Musician Reader Headcanons —
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a/n — This is SO ME. Quick lore drop, I’ve played guitar and piano for about 6 years !!
warnings — very suggestive, the vees are horny little shits, technically didn’t clarify and instrument but guitar is kinda implied, also dom reader implied
summary — The Vees with a reader who plays an instrument.
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Vox would be very enthusiastic about your talent. The main reasons being that he can capitalize the hell out of it, and it’s incredibly hot to him. 
He would definitely offer, many, many times, to have you perform on air in front of an audience. He could get you into countless Voxtek talk shows, and game shows, all to have you perform. 
And yes, this does mean he gets to watch you play your instrument. Seeing your fingers move so fast, so gracefully, so precisely on beat, it definitely fucks with his head. He absolutely watches you practice on camera. And he is VERY SOCCER MOM LEVEL INVESTED in all of your performances, think episode eight Vox. 
Also, Vox canonically plays electric guitar. However, in recent years, with being a huge CEO, he hasn’t had much time for his hobby. So maybe you drag him off his ass and encourage him to play with you. He honestly forgot how much he enjoys it.
Velvette would probably have similar feelings to Vox. Like she would absolutely use your gift to her advantage. 
She would literally make you do music for her fashion shows. Live music just gives it an extra flare, and it’s especially fun for her to watch you indulge in your very attractive talent. 
Watching you have that much focus and put so much soul into something would literally get her going so fast. Like she doesn’t wait five seconds after the show to pull you away from the crowd and make out with you.
She would definitely request songs for you to play, just in every day life. Like pretty randomly too; she’d hear a song on tiktok and look over and be like, “Can you play that? Try.” 
Valentino would be very unapologetic in how horny your skillset makes him. Like it would be very unfortunate anytime he’s around and you’re playing.
He’d be all up on you, tracing his fingers up and down your back while you attempt to keep focus on your instrument. He’s making remarks the entire time, “Wow, you’re so talented with your hands, y/n. What else can they do?”
Also, yeah he’d attempt to have to play music for his pornos but… he gets very distracted and filming gets cut short. It happens every time, and yes, it is INCREDIBLY annoying and uncomfortable for you and everyone else.
If he heard someone say literally anything bad about the way you played, he would literally shoot whoever said it. Like on the spot, no thoughts, just boom. 
All the Vees would be all over you, if we’re going with my collective dom reader au. Like they’d go see you perform, and just bombard you with attention afterwards. 
Yes, they all got you different flowers and yes, before they compliment your performance they need to know who’s is your favorite. But then they are complimenting you left and right, it’s honestly probably overwhelming. But the thought is nice.
Well, usually. Sometimes the thought is who can get fucked by you first while you’re all sweaty and hyped up on adrenaline from the crowd. 
But they would literally have like front row seats, and be shouting out at anything mildly impressive riff you play. 
And if you play a love song, they’re all arguing about who that was directed at because they are all very convinced it’s themselves. 
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other Vees content here, here, and here !
Also plugging my ao3 account. If you like chaggie and music, you’ll like the fic i’m working on. I’m right here, for future reference.
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shifuaang · 3 months
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My friend @the-velvet-worm made such a good point about Chaggie earlier that I feel like it needs to be shared. Her quote: "It's not lost on me that they're not hypersexual like a lot of more popular f/f ships, and no, there's nothing wrong with being into something because there's palpable sexual tension, but I feel like a lot of it is fetishizers being unable to fetishize it?"
EXACTLY.
Chaggie is the least fetishized wlw ship I've seen on any show. It feels like it's constructed from the female gaze because it is, for once. The writing even makes fun of and paints Adam in the wrong for being crass about their relationship and using it as fodder for his own nasty fantasies.
And it's not like Chaggie are chaste. They sleep in the same bed, it's implied that they have sex, and they are very physically affectionate with each other, but because Hazbin isn't showing full-on porn of them, the fandom says they have 'no chemistry.'
I also think there's this cognitive dissonance in the fandom where Hazbin isn't afraid to push the envelope in a lot of ways, and kinks and sex and all types of debauchery are mentioned and depicted all of the time, so they are expecting that out of Chaggie as well. BUT! part of the point is that this relationship is subversive for Hell and for the show in general, which is what makes it so good in my opinion.
It's crazy that people would think that Hazbin writers/animators are "too scared" to do anything controversial with Vaggie and Charlie's relationship when we've seen first-hand that practically nothing is off the table when it comes to this show. That just seems like a bad faith reading of the way Hazbin is portraying its bigger themes of forgiveness/redemption and where the characters have come from with Chaggie. Just because you don’t personally enjoy their dynamic doesn't mean that it's 'bad' or 'poorly written'.
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girlboypersonthingy · 1 month
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Can I request something really fluffy Chaggie x female reader? I love them and refuse to separate them.
Yes yes yes! I love them and I love you too anon. Lovely idea, I love me some poly lesbians from hell ❤️‍🔥 thanks for requesting! Just an update for yall: still at like 40 reqs bc every time I post one, I get at least one new one to replace it 😮‍💨 so thanks for being patient! And as always, enjoy~
Notes: implied fem!reader, sorry this is short :(
TW: none really, just a lot of fluff
Chaggie x fem!reader ❤️🖤💜
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Literally the devil and the angel on your shoulders…😈😇
And they often swap roles- sometimes Charlie is the angel offering wise advice while Vaggie is the devil telling you to just go crazy. Other times, Charlie is the devil talking you into doing ridiculous shit while Vaggie tries to hold you back and talk some sense into you,
What can I say, they’re both switches 😉
You really are in a great polyamorous relationship with these two tho, so full of trust and communication. It’s quite easy actually
You have two girls who love each other and you so deeply that there’s never even any talk about boundaries- you do things as a unit, as a team and somehow, you guys bond so well and rarely bicker
Charlie is always the one to lift your spirits and cheer you on and support your dreams all the way and baby you whether you win or lose.
Vaggie is always the one to bail you out of tough situations and comfort you when things don’t go right and offer you really really great advice and words of affirmation.
Bruh, they’re just so so sweet
SLEEPING IN THE SAME BED ALL TOGETHER EVERY SINGLE NIGHT AHH 💗
Vaggie definitely has to be on one of the edges of the bed, Charlie totally doesn’t mind being on the edge or in the middle so you can choose where you want to be!
They both love to cuddle and they don’t care what position, as long as everyone is included. You wanna be the big spoon? Cool. You wanna be in the middle? Go for it! Wanna lay over both their laps? Do it!
BEWARE: Charlie talks in her sleep and Vaggie occasionally kicks and flails when she has bad dreams lol
You and Charlie definitely stay up until like 4 am some nights, laughing and snacking and watching silly videos online and keeping Vaggie up 😋
Vaggie likes to teach you and Charlie how to defend yourselves- idk I feel like Vaggie would work out often, like at least some yoga in the morning and then like practice sparring ya know? So she likes to spend time with her girls while play fighting and learning together
They’re both very protective of you- they’ve seen a lot of shit down here, Vaggie has seen how tough it can be to be in heaven too.
Walking down the streets of hell, you’ll have Charlie holding your hand or linking arms with you just to keep you close and keep the other sinners away.
Vaggie is your scary guard dog following right behind you two as she looks back and forth, glaring at any sinners who look at you guys for too long.
Often times, they turn to you for advice and comfort too.
Charlie comes crying to you and Vaggie when she’s dwelling in the thought of her mom
Vaggie comes stomping up to you and Charlie, ranting and cussing in Spanish about Alastor pissing her off.
It’s just all very happy and cute and loving and supportive and open.
Never any fights
Only kisses and cuddles and play fights
Very sweet sapphic vibes all around
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theveesbf · 1 month
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hi star! since you asked for some simple hazbin requests, i got one for ya!
could i please request hcs with charlie, vaggie, and rosie with an s/o that’s crafty? like they up cycle clothing, or they do origami? or they even like making bracelets! i want you to write something you enjoy and relate to!
- abby 💛
p.s. up cycle means to find another use for something or alter it to make it more like something you’d use!
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Charlie, Vaggie and Rosie X Crafty!Reader
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⌗notes - HIIII Thank you for the fluff request I loved this so much im so 😭💗 also, I wrote Charlie and Vaggie together because uhh idk I thought it would be cuter 💔
⌗content - headcanons of Chaggie and Rosie X Crafty!Reader who makes bracelets and origamis etc. Implied fem reader on Chaggie.
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Charlie and Vaggie both likes and supports your hobby! Especially Charlie though! She'd be so excited once you told her you do some crafts. She's going to beg for you to teach her. Obviously you do! Even calling Vaggie. Though she wasn't that good, she still went there just to be with her girlfriends yknow? You would make matching bracelets for the three of you! Charlie is going to be so emotional about it. If anyone tries to make fun of you for doing it, Vaggie is going to freaking kill the person. Or just scold them since Charlie wouldn't let her kill anyone.
They are always happy to see whatever new craft you made! Origamis? Charlie is going to put them on her ceiling! Drawings? Put them on the fridge or any place other people could see it. Literally going to show everyone your arts!! <3
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When you told Rosie about your crafting hobby, she wouldn't stop talking about it! She would praise all of your works, no matter what it was! And even give some constructive criticism in case it's needed. If you made matching bracelets for you to use with her, Rosie would be more than happy to use! She's definetly going to tell Alastor about everything! Showing your works for him with love! Definetly likes to show them to other people as well. Like, putting your jewelry on her emporium to everyone else to see. Or even your drawings and origamis! Literally everything!
Rosie is more than excited to do it with you if you want her to! Even if she doesn't know what to do, she can learn it with you <3
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jedi-enthusiast · 3 months
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I KNOW IM A STAR WARS BLOG, BUT I NEED TO DUMP ALL OF MY HAZBIN HOTEL THOUGHTS SOMEWHERE SO YEAH-
BEWARE, SPOILERS FOR EPISODES 7 AND 8 BELOW
Ok so, I need to infodump all of my shit about Alastor first bc he's my favorite and I AM FROTHING AT THE MOUTH CURRENTLY!!! BASHING MY HEAD AGAINST A WALL!!! EATING GLASS!!!
Firstly, I kinda figured that Alastor wasn't gonna beat Adam because-
1. it wouldn't make sense for the plot for Alastor to beat him since Adam has been set up more as an antagonist for Charlie, if Alastor beat Adam then it wouldn't be satisfying story-wise
and 2. because Alastor certainly isn't as powerful as Adam and, while I do think that Adam could be beaten by someone weaker than him via outsmarting him, obviously it wouldn't be Alastor because of the above reasons + Alastor is arrogant as fuck and I think he underestimated Adam a lot, which is part of the reason he lost
That being said, I think Alastor did pretty well all things considered and I loved the fight scene anyway just because of how much shit he was talking to Adam---it was fucking hilarious! It scared the shit out of me when Adam injured him, though, ngl 😭
ALSO ALSO ALSO-
The theory demons in my head are losing their shit because of Alastor's final song bit + Husk's comment about Alastor "being on a leash" because WHAT IF WHAT IF WHAT IF-
From what Alastor says in his part, it seems to imply that his power is constrained because of his deal AND he outright says he's looking for a backdoor to the deal and HOLY FUCKING SHIT IM EATING GLASS-
WHO DID HE MAKE A DEAL WITH???
HOW POWERFUL IS HE REALLY???
HOW IS HE PLANNING ON CIRCUMVENTING HIS DEAL???
AND HOW IS HIS DEAL WITH CHARLIE GOING TO COME BACK???
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
*cough cough* ok, but enough about Alastor for now and now onto the rest of it all-
WE GOT A CHAGGIE DUET HOLY SHIT, AND THEY SAID THEY LOVED EACH OTHER, AND THEY KISSED!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE OVER THESE TWO, I LOVE THEM SO MUCH!!!
It was so fucking sweet!!!
AND I LOVED THE HUSKERDUST TIDBITS WE GOT IN THESE EPISODES!!! THE WAY THEY LOOKED AT EACH OTHER??? ONCE AGAIN, I AM EATING GLASS!!!
ALSO CHARLIE'S DEMON FORM??? RAZZLE AND DAZZLE'S TRUE FORMS??? AHHHHHHHHHHHHH-
AND LUCIFER CAME IN TO SAVE CHARLIE, AND HOW HE SUPPORTED HER AND HELPED HER REBUILD THE HOTEL??? I WAS FUCKING UGLY SOBBING ISTG
Also I love Lucifer so much, the way he was sassing Adam about the fact that he took both his wives 💀Adam really fumbled the bad twice smh
Speaking of which, I love that Nifty was the one to kill Adam---can you imagine how pissed he'd be about that? He's not even killed by anyone powerful, he's killed by the fucking housemaid who has a bad boy kink 💀🤣
ALSO, WE SAW LILITH??? AND SHE WAS IN HEAVEN??? AND LUTE IS SENDING HER DOWN TO STOP CHARLIE??? WHAT???
Anyways, I'm done now.
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phoenixlionme · 2 months
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NOTE: I know that Charlie is looking at her father in the gif, I tried to find a pic or gif of her looking the other way but couldn't find it. So, I decided to use this given this is in the same song/scene.
I love this brief Chaggie moment in "More Than Anything" because of how Vaggie's shot in the song is so distinct from the others - Angel Dust, Husk, and Sir Pentious are in the darkness and even though Alastor and Niffty show up after Vaggie's turn, they are also in the shadows of the song. But Vaggie? She is entirely surrounded by the bright light. While Charlie does care and love everyone in the Hotel, Vaggie holds a special place in her heart. And I like to discuss the importance of this shot in three separate forms:
Foreshadowing - Given that it's revealed that Vaggie is a Fallen Angel, her being bather in light serves as a subtle bit of foreshadowing. Angels are often attributed to light and brightness.
Symbolism - As stated in the above paragraph, Vaggie is the one of the main cast featured most prominently in the light for this song; and from Charlie's POV, given the most focus as well. This all makes sense because it has been Vaggie who has always supported and believed in Charlie's dreams and ideas; while also being honest and realistic. Initially, the ONLY one in all of Hell to believe in her. While we don't know their full story about their relationship (aside from their first meeting), I hope (and feel) it'll get explored in Season 2. I think Charlie was in a dark place when she found Vaggie - mother gone, estranged from father, treated like a joke from her citizens, and it's implied she doesn't have any close friends aside from her parents and Razzle and Dazzle; not having a proper support system can wear on one's soul. Then, she rescues an injured Sinner (Angel); they start off as friends then girlfriends, and at some point Vaggie hears Charlie's dream' and maybe the Princess is once again expecting her newfound friend/crush to say it's impossible. But it doesn't happen; instead, Vaggie supports the idea. And Charlie is most likely blown away and falls a more in love with the one-eyed protector. I know given Vaggie's subtle moth theme, people say that she's drawn to Charlie's light, which is true, but so is the opposite - Charlie was drawn by Vaggie's light - not in the literal sense given her Angel heritage but in the symbolic light of hope.
Future Predictions?- I like to think that the aftermath of Season 1 which included Sir Pentious' death (until she learns of his ascension), stress from the Hotel, Lute's possible retribution, Lilith's possible chaotic return, the Vees' aggression, etc. It's all going to take a toll on Charlie, possibly pushing her optimism. Maybe leading to an emotional breakdown like she had in Season 1, but this time? Much worse. But it'll be Vaggie that guides her towards the light - another subtle possible foreshadowing was in the More Than Anything reprise where Vaggie pulls Charlie from the dark side of the hallway to the light.
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chaifootsteps · 1 month
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Wanted to add on to what I said before about end game ships. Viv clearly also has ships she does not like, and seems to go out of her way in order for those ships to be "disproven". For someone who was praised for pretty much saying "ship and let ship" Viv is pretty obvious with her biases. Especially if it goes against her end game ships. Two big examples of this are Clarlastor and Radiodust which were 2 of the most popular ships.
She has shown before that she does not like Chalastor. So of course when the show comes out we have Alastor refering to himself as a father figure to Charlie. So then people began to accuse Charlostor shippers to be incest shippers.
Then there's RadioDust. Viv has been very vocal about HuskerDust and that it pretty much confirmed to be end game, but RadioDust was what so many people shipped in the beginning. So what did Viv do in order to try and make people not ship RadioDust anymore? She made it so Alastor and Angel Dust, 2 characters of the main cast, have little to no interaction together. As well as imply that Alastor is as bad of an abuser to Husk as Valentino is to Angel.
Viv knows what she's doing when she does things like this. She knows that the fanbase of Hazbin Hotel (and Helluva Boss) is primarily made of people who enjoy shipping, I am one of them, and if she took that away I think many of the community would riot. She clearly wants the cannon ships to be what the community ships too, but she can't outright say that.
Said it before and will likely say it again, but Viv acts like she's a member of her own fandom, not the creator of her shows. Literally every other indie creator right now is attempting to curb the harassment and reminding everyone that it's all in good fun, that anyone can ship whatever they want, but Viv's right out there with her fans, piling on people who don't like Chaggie or do like Stella.
It's irresponsible at best and evil at worst, especially after what just happened with Shay.
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darklinaforever · 2 months
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It's crazy, because I explain everything very well in this post :
And I still manage to get "You're so weird to want two girls to fuck."
No but wtf ?
Hazbin Hotel is an adult series where there is sexual mention in almost every episode. If a couple is not specified / mentioned / implied to be asexual or otherwise, why should I expect their depiction to be any different from other already established couples in this universe demonstrating a healthy sex life and sometimes kissing with tongue, each to their own degree depending on their characters and personalities ?
It's called the coherence of a universe.
They are not real people. They are characters in a fictional universe with its own codes.
Obviously when for an unexplained reason this couple differs from the others, it raises questions !
And that doesn't make me a pervert to pick it up or hope in the rest of the series an evocation of the healthy sexual life of the only couple of women in the entire Vivziepop universe at the moment !
Being a "puritan" in Vivziepop's universe is stupid.
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beevean · 3 months
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Opinion: Every yuri ship now is just "they comfort eachother with puppy dog eyes then hug" and it's extremely boring
strongly agree | agree | neutral | disagree | strongly disagree
There is a post criticizing Hazbin Hotel that is circulating, which more or less points out how sex in the show is not only used for only comedy or drama, but still only something for men. Charlie and Vaggie are girlfriends, they've been in a relationship for three years, they sleep in the same bed, but the two have no sexual chemistry. The most I can think of is Charlie admiring Vaggie's wings with a "they look niiiiiice 😏".
While I don't agree with the conclusion (that it's a problem that Angel is a slut who is ruining himself through sex and has to be redeemed by a pure sexless person - I think it's more complicated than that), I have to concede that Chaggie is just the latest one in a long list of sapphic couples that are very sanitized, and thanks to that post I noticed that I haven't seen many steps forward.
The trend is noticeable. While m/m official couples are still rare, f/f couples have become increasingly commonplace, even in children's media, but they're usually safe enough because women can hold hands and kiss, but anything more than that and it's suddenly fetishizing I guess. There are some exceptions like Catradora, but uhhhh I have reservations about that one lmao. (SU has also some exceptions in the form of Rosepearl, which was much more complex and ultimately something Pearl had to move on from, and Jaspis, which was a very rare depiction of f/f abuse even if it only for one episode. SU is a bit of an outlier with its nearly all female cast, though)
The message is obvious. Men, gay men in particular, are inherently sexual, so they're still a taboo, to keep in the background at best. Women are nice and palatable and good representiation tokens as long as they are not too sexy :) (even if that sexiness is just, idk, implying they have a private life or find each other hot)
From what I read here, this trend is also present in fandom, where it's all about that forbidden yuri and that lesbian longing and that hand holding and those deep unfathomable emotions but you better not cross the line into porn because, well, women don't love women like those dirty men do :^) we are purer than that :^)
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anonymouscheeses · 3 days
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request rules?
I never made any rules!! 😨 omg uhhh here's my rules that I made on the spot!
Request Rules!
- No weird ships! (Inc*st, pr*ships, toxic, age gaps something like old grandparent x young 20 yr old) (The only ship not apart of that, that i will REFUSE to draw, is Ch*rlastor, everything else, even if I don't ship it I'll draw for you!) Oc x Canon is good too, as long as it isn't apart of the no no list
-this goes hand in hand with 1st but for radiohusk and all Alastor ships, no suggestive. Because I like to think they are exclusively romantic and because Alastor is completely asexual to me, I don't really like it. He is grayromantic tho imo
- Blood is fine but no disturbing fleshy stuff like inside the body things eww..
- Au requests are awesome! But if you have a clear vision for it go into detail for me so I can do it as close to your imagery i don't care how long it is! :>
- Fanart for fandoms outside of TADC, Hazbin, Fnaf, Monster High (g3 specifically) and DDLC are a no no!
- Suggestive stuff is a-okay! Only for Chaggie tho... I don't really like smeggsy stuff in ships not in my hyperfixation, and well, Chaggie is my fixation right now
- This goes with the last rule buuuuttt no implied fetishy things, I don't judge but its not rlly my thing (non fetishy tickling is alr that cute hehe specify who's the target tho 😈)
- Kinks don't apply but that depends on the kink I don't know all of them but like- wing kink with Chaggie is one of my top headcanons for them lmao (Omg I'm exposing myself)
- Stand alone Oc's are cool too! Ships with them as well. As long as it doesn't go against my shipping no-no's in the first rule
-ANGST PLEASE. I LOVE ANGST. AS LONG AS ITS HAPPY IN THE END IDC. BUT ONLY CHAGGIE ANGST!! Again I'm not interested in extra stuff unless it's with my hyperfixation 😔
- if your ask hasn't been replied to in like a week or two, I either accidentally deleted it or am trying to get to it but I have bad motivation ☹️ soooo put in another ask (same or diff) if you think it's the former!
Thas all! If your request isn't apart of that then go crazy I think!
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wondersofspite · 2 years
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 Due to some accidents involving scalding my left hand, I am currently bit high off of morphine, and apologize so if it degraded my cohesion a bit. But, after staring at the wall for 7 hours, I come to an realization that, Stoliz, in a way almost by accident, is vaguely resembling of Chaggie.
Like. So far, I’ve noted that:
- Blitzo and Vaggie are both people of marginalized group, both racial and societal (as an Imp and an Sinner/WOC)
- Due to that, they both likely have an rough past and are still troubled by it. While this is a bit debatable on Vaggie’s part, she seems to deal with it in a way that is (somewhat) less harmful/heinous/much more reserved. (After all, by looking at some of Vivzie’s art, it’s heavily implied she ended herself)
- They both likely suffered from poverty/money issues till they encountered a Royal.
- Both of them are in an socially imbalanced, financially dependent relationship with their Royals. While it’s very vague with Chaggie because not only are we limited to the current status of Vaggie, the couple itself isn’t even explored.
And while Charlie and Stolas share even fewer links, in between their archetypes as optimistic loving sweeties, their flawed tendency to infantilize and treat an issue smaller than it is/completely miss the point of it is an important note as well.
I don’t know what’s up with writer and their deal to make almost every relationship incredibly power structured but then treating them in story as if it won’t have impact. A whole season into Helluva, and not once did the show even highlight an conflict between Blitzo and Stolas’s different philosophies made of vastly different life styles. That possibly, as someone who lived in poverty, that Blitzo not only loathes, but could possibly envy how Stolas was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth. That not only his motivation of getting close to Stolas consists of the grimoire, but some equal want, a desperate want, to at least experience the life the wealthy lives.To show to some part, that Blitzo just wanna experience what it feels like to live well-fed and privileged.
While Chaggie on another hand, we only have pilot version of. But even with a 5 minute screen time, I think it’s a particularly agreed even in the fandom that the ship is rushed like something added at the last moment (Which, it really is). This would’ve have been alright with me, since, once again. Pilot runtime. While I admit some underwhelming disappointment to see how the episode barely spent more than 10 second in the relationship between the protagonist and one of her most intimate partner, I could’ve waited it out.
But with the development of Helluva and seeing how it writes it’s female cast, I am growing more apprehensive for the future of the only wlw relationship in the franchise that is actually main focus.
Like, with how complicated Stoliz’s dynamic and it’s messages is, I would actually cry if they made Chaggie the typical wholesome lesbian relationship. Not in any normally wholesome way that is simply cute, but a wholesome way that literally turns blind all to the complexity and issues both characters share. Like. A thinly veiled Flanderization. Making up some “common relationship drama” conflicts instead of an really serious ones like their class and power difference. That unlike Blitzo, Vaggie literally can’t walk away since not only does it seem like Charlie is one of her only connection and home (which, once again, debatable. We literally don’t know anything beyond her interpersonal life outside of Charlie), but that she’s also stuck with the very daughter of the king. Like, if you put it on paper, things take a really sinister turn if Vaggie ever want to leave, there’s a high chance she won’t. And personally, I think it would be even more interesting if Charlie acts just a bit selfish, just a tad possessive: Anything more than this perfectly clean moral puppy the fandom and the pilot makes her out to be. 
From all my brief pondering, from the main show to it’s spin oft, Stoliz and Chaggie foil and almost parallel each another.
That, say, if HB grows a pair of white eyes and takes Stolas and Blitzo’s power imbalances seriously and explore it, it can be an story that started with a clear distaste, unhealthy and malignant, starting ugly till it slowly wan into something more... for the lack of better word, tragic. Not romantic, certainly not romantic, but something more mutual . About two bad men whose connections to each other are just as bad, but beyond their classicism and gap in power, that at some point, they see each other - love each other - as equals.
But with Chaggie, of which it’s foundation started young and fuzzy, full of juvenile love and clumsy affection, actually start to decay and fall apart when at some point, the narrative nosedive into it’s darkest point. Of where Vaggie wants to leave, but Charlie doesn’t let her.
Foils.
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floralkittygambler · 3 years
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RadioDust is the Healthiest Toxic Ship for Angel so far
@honesthazbinarchives​ Briefly. I’d like to go into this more in the future BUT these are the main points I said I’d do. Heh ‘stay tuned’ for why HuskerDust is toxic [haaaa funny fuckin reference n shit like Viv herself aint overdone it]. Yer dont even wanna know the lack of enthusiasm in tryna do a playful ‘cringetopia’ joke - wasnt as fun as anticipated. Anyfuckinways, the shit. Before we begin, disclaimers n whatnot, no hate intended, dni if you’re a bit of a knobhead [either stan or extreme anti], an all that nonsense. I dont own the characters no shit.  In this I’ll discuss how RadioDust aka SpiDEER (thats right, yer stuck w my shit humour now) is both the healthiest ship for Angel we’ve seen so far but still rather toxic. Idc if you hate me for it but dont fuckin waste yer time telling me. Great. I dont care. Yer fuckin hard n whatnot for harassin strangers online. Big dick energy to you. This will be slightly messy, my apologies, it’s a quick summary of many points.
Alright. Firstly, out of the entire male cast Angel interacts with over all platforms, Al is given a fair bit of mercy in terms of sexual advances. In fact, a swift ‘no’ and Angel doesn’t do it again - unlike most of the other cast [pent’s is covert, husks is overt]. One thing I like is that Angel himself admits to their chemistry (claiming that whilst he thinks Al’s a prick, he thinks Al dislikes him which saddens him as he’d at least like to be friends as he feels they have good chemistry - according to the VA via Hunicast’s 1yr anniversary), there’s no further efforts to jump on his dick but a clear curiosity/interest in what Al can do.  Lets go to the basics, both are of similar age [allegedly in their 30s, though Ive heard Al may be up to mid 40s] as well as created near the same-ISH time (as in, Viv’s oldest characters, at least for HH). Likewise, Viv admitted to knowing fuck all on either of their eras (and to make that public wasn’t really a wise choice BUUUT if you felt the need, it’s better worded with interest “Right now I’m working towards educating myself more on their time periods to improve their portrayals” <-- crucial if yer want that ‘realism’). Because of their real-world ages, Viv confesses they’re her favourites (even if you didnt know, she makes it pretty clear). It could be a nice ‘homage’ to their impact in her life but not too relevant otherwise. It could fulfil the need for self indulgence that she’s unhealthily leaking into the canon - which will ultimately make the series shit. No sugarcoating there.  As for their ages, a relationship can work whether the gap is large or small HOWEVER there are many ethics and conflicts to each. And being an adult into kids is always fucked up. With that being said, studies have shown that closer ages often work better due to the often similarities in mindset, maturity and life goals (older folks are more likely to want to settle, younger often have more ambitions), likewise there tends to be an unbalanced power-dynamic if the ages are too far, which can lead to various types of abuse. Dont get me wrong, being with someone much older (AS LONG AS NONE OF YALL ARE KIDS) very much CAN work - but rarely. There’s much more hardwork needed as well as being in the right mindset for both, otherwise it’s bad. More on that in HD. Long story short, both are closer in age meaning both are more ‘relatable’ to one another. There’s common grounds, even in the eras there’s some higher understanding of one another. Notice how Vaggie and Charlie are similar in age? (Even though Charlie is far older, her appearance and mentality for her race is on par with Vaggie’s, making it far more likely to work out positively) One of the most prominent out of all of this however is their actual interests. So listing; Both like action/chaos/having fun (often at the expense of others), both love cooking and can be food snobs in their own right, both have sadistic AND masochistic tendencies, Al likes performance and theatre whilst Angel loves *to* perform, on that last point Angel was very intrigued and enjoyed Al’s song number/performance naturally, both really enjoy pranks and both enjoy liquor (neither show an actual addiction, but rather an interest in social drinking - no dependencies on it). Again, close eras mean both have a higher probability of understanding the other and their lifestyles better. Both are high on appearance and love themselves, implying self confident mindset (healthy BUT the narcissism isnt) yet enough consideration for how they are viewed. On the parent system, one adores his mama whilst the other hates his pops.  Now Ive gone on about how they’re similar. But similarities ALONE is not enough. If it was, then fandom’s would be a lil more harmonious~ A HEALTHY relationship needs compatibility, POSITIVE conversation flow, common grounds, trust, openness and understanding. Even then, some people click and some just dont. It’s like how you can just hate someone for no reason. It just IS. Common grounds and similarity is scientifically proven to be attractive to someone - be it good or BAD. People are drawn to those like their parents in some way usually, likewise we look for people similar to ourselves (from our interests, to humour, beliefs, goals, etc). Science itself states that ‘opposites attract’ solemnly applies in the real world successfully. Though similiarity plays a large role, there has to be some differences too - that person is STILL an individual separate to yourself. Too similar and it’s boring. Too similar and you’ll do everything together without some ‘you’ time. Both Vaggie and Charlie have similar interests/hobbies in dance and music, yet still have enough differences to be identifiable when together. Vaggie is more grounded than Charlie. Charlie gives some optimism and fun to Vaggie. Remember, a partner does NOT complete you - that’s a toxic mindset when taken too seriously, You complete YOURSELF. Whether you have someone or not, you must feel complete in yourself as to not slip into toxic dependency on a lover - to become them, a shadow of them or feel like you’ve lost your identity without them. Sounds harsh but it’s true. Chaggie compliments each other without a dependency. You stand alone yet uplift one another. You don’t always agree but in the end you always have each other’s backs. Love is often butchered in a toxic light in the media.  So taking that into consideration, how does spideer work? Well, here’s some examples of good, bad and neutral: - Angel loves animals, Al fears/dislikes dogs. Perhaps Angel could assist him in overcoming this? - Al hates being touched, Angel dislikes being squeezed. Maybe this could help them reach an understanding... Or cause a rift? - Angel was the only one to break Al’s composure, either Angel is the *key* to delving further into Al’s more raw self... Or just another obVOXious pest? (yeah, I said it-) - Neither respect other’s boundaries, meaning both may fuel the other to be overly disrespectful in this area. Not good. - Angel is a sarky/sarcastic fuck, Al loves dry humour. Both seek amusement and chaos. In relationships one needs to see how conversation flows and in the hunicasts, both keep up some good as well as toxic banter. Both could roast the fuck out of an opponent however. - Al is acro/ace, Angel is hypersexual (appears like a sex addict - now I say this as his book has a crossed out ‘fun stuff’ with ‘work shit’ written on it. He’s always fixed on sex from his job to his humour), this could either aid Angel ease up on the sex stuff OR make him overly push it onto Al causing major rifts and discomfort (aces can have sex, ref to ace posts that real asexuals put to understand more but no one wants to be forced into sex is the point here). And we’ve already discussed their lack of respect for boundaries. The positive is that maybe this will make Angel understand how Val is rubbing off on his own behaviour towards men [again, more on that in the HD post]. - Both similar yet different in a way that does suit their compatibility chances but that doesnt mean they will click, it just improves the odds. - Both have similar enemies in Val and Vox, they’re on common terms. Likewise, Al is against the ‘sexual deviance’ of hell meaning he may be oddly supportive and protective of Angel in terms of Val. I dont even think his sadism will override this either. - Al dislikes modern tech, Angel seems to use it as his job requires it. A nice little menial difference. - Only ONE is an addict. Take it from an expert, you NEVER put two addicts together. They’re very vulnerable and prone to slipping deeper into their addictions as well as depending on each other too much that they essentially become very clingy, suffocating and toxic to each other. Seen it in action, it’s ugly.  - Both could have a lot of fun and calm moments with each other. - He isn’t immediately smitten with Al but immediately shows a natural interest in Al’s powers and performance, embracing it openly. Leads for a good friendship turned lovers plot. - In Viv’s patreon, she confirmed Angel loves confident guys [sounds exactly like Al] We need to think about where both are mentally. What benefits would a relationship give both? How would they be good and bad for each other? For Al, aside from his outdated views and being a fucking murderer and narcissist, he actually seems in a good mindspace for a relationship IF he opted to be in one. Angel however has a very immature mindset, likewise is in a phase of life where hes bed hopping. IF he were to be in a relationship, I’d say he needs a male equivalent of Cherri - someone with a similar mindset yet some differences, willing to have fun and in touch with their younger side, down to cuddle, open to share and receive love as well as not afraid to publicly be affectionate with him, someone who sees him as more than just for sex, someone fun, someone who’ll let him embrace his cutesy side publicly without shame - Cherri is younger so maybe someone who’s his age or slightly younger perhaps? I think Angel’s not retirement home ready to settle and needs someone on his level that can cuddle and chill as well as feels free and youthful enough to go wild with him. In one sense, he’s got a teen girl sorta mindset (dont put him with a teen though, it’s fuckin weird-). He needs someone positive and raw, someone to let him be himself as well as someone comfortable to be themselves around him. He has a habit of latching onto unobtainable men (in psychology, this is self sabotaging subconsciously): Travis the client, Val a pimp, Husk (emotionally unavailable and needs HEAVY self work - interestingly far more than Angel - plus he’s still onto his last relationship and an addict to gambling and alcohol), Pent who’s the enemy he was currently fighting (inappropriate timing), Alastor who’s not interested in another but his own needs [selfish, VERY bad for a relationship]. Subconsciously he’s self sabotaging on purpose. There’s many psychology books as well as sources online for this, if you’re interested. Either way, Angel is drawn to men either like his father [who dislike him, shun him, or are otherwise cold, abusive or just blatantly dislike or otherwise dont care about him] or anyone with money to fuel his drug addiction/’debt’ to Val. Going with any of these men isn’t a good idea.  Preferably, Angel needs someone who he doesnt immediately crush and obsess over. Someone who he doesnt sexually harass or assault. Someone he can build a connection with quickly that can bud into romance (think how Chaggie started as a friendship which clicked immediately). Maybe even someone he doesn’t expect to fall for but does so anyways. It would be more realistic as Viv wants as well as more healthy. That for once he isnt sex or money craved instantly, thus doesnt sexually harass/assault and is given a proper chance to develop and grow a friendship and love. Someone who isnt an addict.  Someone with an on-par mindset where they click. Someone open to love. For any chance of a good relationship, Angel needs to be with anyone BUT who we’ve already seen. There’s too much toxicity that’ll be swept under the rug and justified otherwise. Too much shit to fuel homophobes in terms of gay stereotypes. Even though Ive focused a fair bit on Angel, it’s NOT just about Angel. That’s something fans forget. Some he depends on or someone who depends on him in the long term wont last and will be very dangerous to both.  Just because you suffer, you dont then deserve to be rewarded with ‘something nice’. You dont get to have everything youve ever wanted. Giving him any of these blokes [minus Val] gives him a pass. Gives him what he wants. I get Viv loves him but life doesnt work that way. True lasting growth comes from learning that. Acceptance and growth. You dont get everything you want and sometimes thats a GOOD thing. He’s not a spoilt kid who gets everything he asks for, he’s YOUR creation. If you really wanted what your creations deserve then you need to research and be realistic with it. Because hes starting to feel like a shitty Gary-Stu at this rate. I live with an ‘Angel Dust’ like person. It used to feel like life gave her everything and most times it did. Everyone loved her and she could get away with murder if she wanted to. But now she’s had to struggle and grow, let go of some ‘wants’ because they werent good for her and she’s becoming better for it. She has a long way but she’s more humble for it now [still got self confidence but it’s less narcissism now, which is more healthy for her]. Also, they make the word anal lol
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abbyfreemansmind · 4 years
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Let’s talk about Hazbin Hotel
So, I finally sat down and watched Hazbin Hotel. I’d heard so much about it and felt the need to launch myself headfirst into having my own opinions about it instead of just listening to other people talking about it. This is gonna be a long post, so I’m gonna put it behind a neat little read more. Please note that this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys adult humour and edgy humour and themes. I’ve got no problem with something that’s all swearing and raunchy jokes. It just needs to be done right.
Point 1 - The Plot The plot is describes as the Princess of Hell trying to open a new hotel to rehabilitate sinners so they don’t get exterminated during the yearly heavenly extermination to deal with Hell’s overpopulation problems. This plot is quickly undone through a few things that anyone can notice during the first viewing. 1 - Overpopulation? WHAT population? The scenery is most often noticeably devoid of any signs of life, outside of when background characters are called for. The scene where Charlie’s doing her news presentation is the most notable example of background characters. After this scene, we see almost nobody outside of the main cast and those weird little egg things. There are a few throwaway demons but outside of that, the streets are devoid of people. There aren’t even the corpses we had just seen during that opening scene. 2 - Charlie may as well be a total nobody what with all the power being the Princess of Hell holds. Just look at how the other characters treat her. You’d think the Princess of Hell would have some kind of benefit that would sway people towards agreeing with this whole idea. Instead, she gets mocked by just about everyone for reasons I can only guess involve winning her sympathy points from the audience. 3 - At no point does she give any proof that redemption would work. She basically says, “Hey guys! I hate seeing you all die, so I have this idea that has no backing evidence, that may or may not work, to try and get you guys into Heaven! Let me sing a song about it where I insult you all!”
Point 2 - Presentation I applaud the animators. Must’ve been hard, especially for Charlie’s overly fast song that really didn’t need to be nightcored, or literally any time Angel Dust was on-screen. Frame by frame. No rigs. All those stripes. All those colours that blend if you stare at them too hard or squint even slightly while watching. All that unnecessarily constant movement. It’s no wonder the thing took four bloody years to animate. Outside of animation, there are too many unneeded details and not enough needed details. Seriously. 1 - The turf war. We didn’t need this. We didn’t need this at all. If you take out the entire opening to it and the entire actual fight scene here, the episode still flows smoothly and we get the same amount of information and worldbuilding. In a pilot/first episode, you should only give the audience necessary details. Leave them wanting more, yes, but make sure they actually know what they’re getting into from the first episode. Make every scene count. Make it mean something. Don’t just shove every detail you can think of together and call it a day, especially if you don’t actually give the audience much information from it. 2 - Why is Hell overpopulated? Why isn’t Heaven? Why can angels go from Heaven to Hell, but demons can’t go from Hell to Heaven? Why does nobody care about being redeemed if Hell is so overpopulated that Angels annually come down and kill people because of it? Why does everyone treat the Princess of Hell like she’s worthless? Why doesn’t Angel Dust know about Alastor if they got into hell within 10 years of each other? Where is this supposed overpopulation problem? Would redemption even work in the first place? Why should I care about most of these characters (who are mostly complete jerks with no redeeming qualities other than “PROTAGONIST”, especially when two of the fan favourites repeatedly sexually assault other characters and, in one case, is both sexist and racist at one point)? Why are there turf wars? I should not be having to ask these questions. Don’t hold the audience’s hand, but don’t leave every single question you present in the show unanswered. Some of the questions presented make absolute sense to leave unanswered. Why does Alastor want to help with the hotel? Why are characters like Vaggie and Niffty, who do nothing all that bad, in Hell? These are questions that make total sense to leave unanswered for now. 3 - What crime is too terrible to be redeemed for? Charlie seems to think that literally everyone can be redeemed. That means murderers, rapists, abusers, tormentors... Certainly her song holds some kind of key to figuring it out! “Inside of every creepy hatchet-wielding maniac” Hmm... Okay... “All of you cretins, sluts and losers, sexual deviants and boozers” Uh... “So, all your cartoon porn addictions, vegan rants, psychic predictions Ancient Roman crucifixions end right here All you monsters, thieves and crazies, cannibals and crying babies" Oh... Also, did she imply that mental illness, alcoholism, drug dependency, plant-based diets/lifestyles, rabies and enjoyment of sex were sins in that song?
Point 3 - Edgy for the sake of edgy Hazbin Hotel tries to be an adult cartoon, but comes off as something a mentally disturbed teenager wrote during their emo/scene phase. 1 - The swearing and sex jokes. Oh boy. I’ve worked with children under the age of 15 who swear and crack sex jokes better than the adults in this show. The swearing and sex jokes are the only reasons this show couldn’t be aired as a Cartoon Network show aimed at edgy teenagers. It’s so poorly done that it in and of itself takes away from the quality of the show itself. Also, we have a character who’s name is an actual sex joke itself. Vaggie, full name Vagatha - a lesbian sex worker, of course. Fun fact for those who don’t know, but all of her previous character drafts had her name as some form of joke on the word vagina. This isn’t an accident, this is blatant and intentional. Also, here’s a pro tip for you! You can make an adult-oriented show without having swearing, slurs and sex jokes taking up a solid third or more of your script. 2 - The... “Representation”. Yes, Hazbin Hotel has LGBT+ characters! Yes, it has biracial and Latina characters! Charlie is bi, Vaggie is a Latina lesbian, Angel Dust is a gay man, Alastor is ace and biracial, Husk is pan, Niffty is Japanese (YIKES). Except none of it actually matters. No, really. Vivziepop was all like, “btw you can ship w/e, idc! also, i rlly like the fanon version of human alastor (who is whiter than marshmallow fluff even though he’s supposed to be half black)! :)” and threw all that out the window because... Who knows at this point. Now, if you look at the connected series, Helluva Boss, you get Moxie and Millie - an extremely obvious and loving couple. In Hazbin Hotel, you get Charlie and Vaggie who you probably couldn’t tell were a couple without somebody telling you that in the first place, what with all the loveydovey-ness going on with them. In fact, the biggest hint we even get is literally one line. “Life ain’t a musical, hun.” But then again, I’d be more apt to believe Charlie and Vaggie are friends, or Vaggie is pining after Charlie. Also, Charlie is a really bad girlfriend! She lets Vaggie get abused by practically the entire cast without so much as a single word in her defense and ignores everything Vaggie says. It came as no surprise when I remembered hearing about how the only reason these two are a couple is because one of the people on the team thought they were during storyboarding and Vivziepop just went with it. Also, fun fact, Vaggie fits both the angry lesbian and fiery Latina stereotypes. Charlie fits the stereotype for the bisexual cheater, what with how she seems to actually like Alastor more than her own bloody girlfriend. Alastor is canonically ace because he’s too full of himself to be with anyone else. Speaking as somebody who’s ace... WHAT?! As much as I don’t like Charlastor, it’s partially more popular than Chaggie because Vivziepop actually made them act like a couple for an entire musical number. Also, he’s annoying. He not only kept telling Vaggie to smile (heck you dude), he also smacked her butt, which is a form of sexual assault, people. This was all played for laughs, along with Vaggie’s (actually very reasonable) anger. Niffty is Japanese. A yellow-skinned demon who’s boy crazy and obsessed with cleaning... Big yikes. Finally, Angel Dust. The kinky gay man porn star/drag queen/drug addict/prostitute who verbally sexually assaulted two guys. Where do I begin. When it came to this guy, Vivziepop must’ve been like, “Imma throw every stereotype for gay men on this guy and call it a character!” If you look a Helluva Boss again, you get Stolas, who verbally sexually assaults Blitzo over the phone and also cheated on his wife with him in the first place, so this isn’t a one-off. Also, he was originally AFAB, so that whole line about “Why are you all women?” is more than a little heinous and in extremely poor taste.
In conclusion, this show is terrible. Everything about it. It needs some serious reworking, because as it stands, it’s really truly not that great of a creation.
tl;dr: Needs a lot of work and “ThEy’Re In HeLl!!1!!one!!!eleven!!!11″ isn’t even remotely an excuse for the genuine problems in it. Remember, at least one actual human being on Earth, not in Hell, wrote this garbage fire. Also, the animators deserve a higher wage than whatever they’re getting to deal with these designs. I shudder just thinking about animating them, with or without a rig.
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Alastor is NOT a good person
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I am going to say this ONCE: I do NOT hate Alastor, I am simply making a reminder post for a certain section within the Hazbin Hotel fandom who either downplay or ignore the demon's flaws and cruelty.
Look, I am NOT making this post to get people to not like Alastor. I get it - he's an entertaining character and one of the reasons the show is well known. If you like him, that's okay. But don't use your liking of him to mischaracterize him into some misunderstood saint. He's not.
Alastor is NOT helping Charlie out of the goodness of his heart but, as clearly stated by him, he WANTS to be there to see the Hotel FAIL. He even redid Charlie's song from the Pilot to openly mock her and her goals, which the Princess didn't notice given how she was distracted by the Overlord's song and dance.
He is a MASTER MANIPULATOR. Yeah, he doesn't technically lie but he's an emotionally manipulating sociopath. He did this to get Husk into eternal servitude and again with Charlie to make a deal with him during her most emotionally vulnerable moment.
Tying into the last part from the above point - if Alastor was a good person and ally/friend for Charlie, he would've told Charlie and the gang the vital info WITHOUT making a deal. He didn't.
His personal lyrics in "Ready For This" and sinister facial expressions, heavily imply him "guiding" Charlie is another word for "manipulate". It's unclear as to WHAT, but it can't be good.
"He sees Charlie as a daughter" - No, I don't think he does. His entire reasons for playing up the paternal role was to irritate Lucifer and further manipulate Charlie by saying the things he KNEW she would want to her given her obvious daddy issues.
I've seen many people (I presume Charlastor shippers), say he's a better fit for Charlie than Vaggie. And I'm like, "What?" Aside from the fact that he's canonically AroAce and Chaggie are an official and happily committed romance, but how about all the reasons I just listed - In short, Charlie is a kind, selfless, pure hero while Alastor is a selfish, arrogant, violent "anti-hero/villain"; Vaggie is no saint but she's honest, loyal, and definitely more heroic than him. Plus, unlike how Alastor is prideful over his kills, Vaggis is nothing but ashamed and regretful, and it's lightly implied she never enjoyed any of the killings of Sinners during her time as an Exorcist. I mean, ship who you want at the end but don't character assassinate Vaggie to artificially prop up Alastor. Again, ship and like who you want but be real and don't make up stuff.
As shown in "Dad Beat Dad", Alastor is NOT a good boss to Husk. He threatened to murder the cat demon just for stating a fact that Alastor hated. I can't say what Vivziepop was thinking, but I think she possibly put that scene to not only reveal Alastor's soul is owned by someone else but also to remind the audience that Alastor isn't this "sweet, old timey" guy - He's a violent, egotistical asshole who ENJOYS killing and seeing people in pain.
While he does admit to having grown close to the Hotel crew, his lyrics in the ending song shows he was more scared of dying for his friends; in short, he was disgusted at the idea and pushing whatever feelings of camaraderie away so he can keep his pride.
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