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hello. absolutely hate involving myself in fandom drama, but ifeel this is an important post to make as i have seen a lot of people taking a certain post at face value and believing it.
im referring to this one, made by @/realultimatehater
now, before i say these things, i feel the need to preface this by saying that i do not personally wish to align myself in this fandom debate. i am a tax-paying adult and do not have any energy or time to put into arguing about a tv show on the internet. nonetheless, i have seen people blindly spreading this post around and i feel this needs to be addressed.
this person is lying.
it feels like it should be obvious with the levels of "down with cis bus" energy pulsating off of this, but it's a huge fucking lie.
this person is a known harasser and has targeted children in the past. they will do anything, and i mean ANYTHING to rack up attention and internet points. they have made bold claims like this with little to no evidence in the past all so they can garner more hatred for certain fandoms on the internet. testimonies here and here, and some pretty damning screenshots here.
i advise you all to stop reblogging the post ive shown. it's disinformation, a story fabricated to direct more vitriol towards a fandom with little to no proof that it can somehow make people like this or attract people like this. this person is either a troll or just plain deranged. please stop believing what they say.
tags added for reach.
edit: i received an anonymous ask giving me extra information on this topic, apparently this person is in fact an internet troll who has gone under countless aliases and will often fake identities in order to ruin the reputations of others. more information here and here.
edit 2: another anon ask gave me a preserved version of a post from realultimatehater's first account, showing how they'd crop screenshots of dms in order to make it look like they were being harassed for simply having a negative opinion on hazbin hotel. here's the post, though do know the reblog is from a supporter of them, make of that what you will. here's another version of the post ifound showing how they'd bait people into saying these kinds of things in order to make them look bad. and here's another one! wow!
i also found a few asks showing how this person would literally approach hazbin fans and just blatantly insult them, rather than blocking them. because yeah, when you detest a fandom, you clearly must stir up conflict! that'll keep them away from you! said asks can be viewed here and here
edit 3: the anon i received telling me realultimatehater was an internet troll who'd been trolling people for years apparently was not being truthful, this does not discredit the other evidence ive listed but id really appreciate if people would stop spreading that ask around. ive removed the link to the ask, sincere apologies to anyone affected by that
#hideawaysisposting#hazbin#hazbin hotel#helluva boss#anti hazbin hotel#anti hazbin#anti helluva boss#vivziepop#anti vivziepop
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I already told some friends this but it makes me extremely mad seeing Lucifer's design in Hazbin because...vivzie already designed lucifer for zoophobia and he's *so much better*
Look at him! Like yeah it is all red but at least it's a nice muted red with lighter accents in the eyes and eyebrows. He's not 50 shades of blood.
The big horns that reference a broken halo are a wonderful touch. I love the grizzled face and hunched back that show he's Old and Has Seen Things. I like the cloak that adds an air of mystery as to what's behind it.
Compared to this...
This is just a White Onceler. He doesn't convey anything lucifer to me other than the snake and the apple on his top hat. He's just another generic triangle tooth twink.
Going back a bit, It also helps for zoophobia that he was supposed to be in a world of characters who WERE bright and colorful so he actually stood out in a good way
Look at these guys! Sure, it's busy, but I can actually tell which characters are what. They all feel like they have their own identity and aesthetic due to their different colors. It's what a cartoon cast is SUPPOSED to look like.
Old lucifer would have stood out in that cast because not everyone is fucking red. New lucifer barely stands out, only because he looks so much like Charlie. And even THEN, they look like siblings!
this isn't official art done by Vivienne but I couldn't find any other good screencaps showing them side by side. If someone didn't know shit about hazbin they'd think charlie and lucifer were twins. Nothing about new lucifer's design suggests that he's a father or even older than 25.
It's sad, honestly. I used to look up to vivienne when I was younger. Now, she's a shadow of her former self as an artist.
#anti hazbin hotel#anti hazbin#anti viviziepop#media critical#fandom talk#character design#hazbin critical#hazbin critique
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Hazbin Hotel fans will excuse genuinely disgusting and actively harmful shit from characters in their show and be like “I support mentally ill people” but GOD FORBID they encounter a mentally ill person with horrifying intrusive thoughts. I would be sentenced to death so fast by these people
#raimble#hazbin critical#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critical#anti vivziepop#anti hazbin#anti hazbin hotel
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*insert Caine's voice* And may I now introduce to you, the best character in all of Trashbin Motel! Faaaaat Nuggets! :D
This little fella is a divers looking, actually chubby and kind individual! The only Vivziepop character that beats the stereotype! :D
#anti hazbin#anti hazbin hotel#vivziepop slander#anti vivziepop#fuck vivziepop#vivziepop critical#vivziepop critique#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critique
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Honestly why are the Vs even celebrating? Like outside of the fact they honestly could've been cut out entirely and almost nothing of value would change in the season, but their position is worse given how they know Lucifer is parked at the hotel and all it would take is Charlie crying to Daddy to go get Angel's contract to fuck them over because Lucifer could dismantle their empire with the flick of his wrist. What is stopping Lucifer from taking Angel's contract from Val? Nothing I assume because any magic bs Val has pales to what Lucifer has.
If anything, they should be terrified because realistically, they can't do shit unless they want to die a second time.
This is why they should've been the antagonists of season 1 as it'd at least make more sense and Heaven and Adam should've been moved to Season 2.
#hazbin critical#helluva boss critical#helluva criticism#hazbin critic#spindlehorse criticism#vivziepop critic#rant#anti vivziepop#anti hazbin hotel#anti helluva boss#anti hazbin
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Tell me though!!
#tw sa#tw prostitution#idk what tw to put😭#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critique#anti hazbin hotel#anti hazbin#hazbin critical#anti vivziepop#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#vivziepop critique#spindlehorse critical#spindlehorse criticism#anti spindlehorse#spindlehorse toons critical#spindlehorse critique
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Wow, that Hazbin trailer huh? I need to get better at getting on these things, everyone else has their own hot takes.
https://youtu.be/rYTVBSeTLUQ?si=Y_CujbshJK0Vu-aS
For now I'll say I agree with what everyone else is saying: it's pretty damn nothing burger for a trailer, the fact there's no mention of the actual cast is weird, Amazon Prime is the LAST PLACE I expected it to end up, and the fact they have to reassure us they've got Season 2 already feels insecure as hell.
ON THAT ONE SCENE OF LILITH AND LUCIFER: I am HOPING and PRAYING that they don't make Lilith another generic mean mom like Stella- Viv's said she sees Lucifer and Lilith as being genuinely in love and the scene from the pilot where Charlie calls her implies that the two of them are actually kinda close, so I hope she doesn't throw out all that set-up.
#anti hazbin#hazbin critical#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin hotel critique#vivziepop criticism#vivziepop critique#anti vivziepop#vivziepop critical#🐟
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You know I hate to be back on the hazbin hate train
But as I was listening to the songs I kinda felt like they were...idk juvenile? Maybe it was because it's just broadway themed but I did see a few other people agree with me
And then I realized that "Fight for Love" is just "Do it for her/him" from Steven universe with an edgy coat of paint
And to give Steven universe credit, at least Connie and pearl eventually realize how toxic that mentality is.
How is a kids show that redeems dictators more nuanced than an adult show about morality itself?????
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I’ve been thinking long and hard for some time and I was curious about this so..
State your reasoning in the notes!
#lucifer's sinnamon roll#by doomed from the start#i mean that it was never going to be great in the first place#maybe planning to make a future post about this...#I'm rlly curious to hear y'all's thoughts!#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critique#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin critical#anti hazbin hotel#anti vivziepop#vivziepop critical#vivziepop critique#anti hazbin#I'm caving in I'm also tagging anti and viv tags too sobbing
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A recent article came out about the mistreatment and pay of Spindlehorse employees, please spread this around.
#vivziepop critical#spindlehorse critical#helluva boss critical#helluva boss critique#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss criticism#helluva critical#anti vivziepop#Hazbin hotel#helluva boss#vivienne medrano#Vivziepop#spindlehorse toons#Spindlehorse
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OSRRY FOR THE SPAM the hyperfixation came back
#I don’t like hazbin as it is now#but the CONCEPT HAS SP MUCH FUCKING POTENTIAL#I just wish everything abt it was different#anti hazbin#.txt
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Niffty Redesign! (3/7)
Holy shit was not expecting to finish in the same day much less in like… under 4 hours??? IDK IM HAPPY WITH HER THOUGH!!!!
My biggest inspiration this time was lovebugs and specifically this LPS lovebug
Yes im colour picking Niffty from a littlest pet shop. Who is gonna stop me? Hasbro? They don’t even own LPS anymore!
Im making Niffty a bit tanner because while I see it a lot in other fandoms, I don’t ever see tan asian people in the Hazbin fandom, tbh this place seems like its allergic to melanin in general. There’s also a lot of stigmatisation around POC women in Hazbin like I’ve mentioned before. I plan on having Niffty deal with a decent chunk of stuff later on, a lot of it relating to obessions and romance and learning how to manage feelings like that and keep relationships with other people.
I wanted her socks to be cute but also held up by a garter belt so you can gather she’s got something going on. People seem to stray away from the topic of Niffty and sex or romance because they see her as a child or have infantalised her in some way. Yes ik I talk about this all the time but like GOD it pisses me off.
Her maid dress is actually a much darker shade of hot pink to the point its not really hot pink anymore but it is I promise
Niffty’s main sins are lust, wrath, and envy, seeing as she is a lovebug and also her current backstory is killing a lover out of jealousy. The redder pink parts are supposed to be a mix of lust and wrath so I hope that comes across well?
The same thing can be said about her clothes and all that. With her dress and the reddish hearts it’s supposed to be like “in one sin there’s another” but idk how well I pulled it off. The stitched up heart is also supposed to represent her hopeful/eventually redemption. I’d like to give Niffty more character than just “crazy small lady” so I’ll be trying to balance being somewhat like that with also being a bit sensible. I think it definitely could be done but I have doubts Viv will do much with it.
It really sucks that the POC characters and especially women they just get reduced to one or two traits and then thats it. Viv already is terrible at writing women and I think writing Niffty for her is just boring because, again, she cannot write women. 90% of this rewrite is me saving the women/hj
There will be more indepth Niffty content from me eventually, as of now this is my backbone for her design and overall story. Btw I think her rubber gloves are cute but make really annoying squeaking sounds 24/7. No idea if I’ll pull off another fast design like this, but we shall see!🐐
#hazbin hotel#hazbin critical#hazbin hotel criticism#hazbin hotel critical#hazbin niffty#niffty hazbin hotel#niffty#hazbin nifty#nifty hazbin hotel#nifty#hazbin hotel rework#hazbin hotel rewrite#hazbin hotel redesign#hazbin rework#hazbin rewrite#hazbin redesign#my art#anti vivziepop#anti hazbin#anti hazbin hotel
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Vivziepop fans claiming adding black features to her black characters would’ve made it “too difficult” to animate them is a hilarious excuse considering this is the same woman who had characters like these animated:
Another excuse fans have been using is that Vivziepop’s art style is “unsuitable” for black characters, despite her crew members proving otherwise:
No art style is "unsuitable" for black characters because it's the artist's responsibility to learn how to draw them in their style. There's no excuse for black characters not looking black in your style.
Vivziepop could draw black features in her style but CHOSE not to, hence why none of the black characters look black outside their skin color, which sometimes they don't even have.
#anti vivziepop#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#spindlehorse critical
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I Keep Thinking Back To This
Instead of immediately going to make Vaggie Charlie's girlfriend she stayed a friend and she ended up getting with Emily. Seriously, at this point Charlie has more chemistry with other characters than her goddamn love interest. You know it's funny the fact that people have issues when it's a male x female canon relationship that has no chemistry they call it a result forced so-called heterosexism but ignore it when it comes to canon LGBT couples. The problem isn't hetereosexuality, but the fact people forget to put chemistry in a relationship and assume it will wow an audience.
Seriously, people were saying that it was heteronormality the reason why people shipped Charlastor over Chaggie, but then Emily happened and it showed no it ain't being homophobic but the fact that the canon relationship has no chemistry written. You don't feel like their relationship is alive compared to how she interacts with Alastor and Emily. And I don't care how much the narrative tries to push the Alastor tries to be her daddy, because that just makes even more shippers.
I kind of now wish that kept Vaggie and Charlie as friends then introduce Emily in the first episodes as an ambassador from heaven who is at first infatuated with Charlie and wants to see her mission succeed. Like again she learns more about what is going on in hell and believes in Charlie's mission to make it better. Seriously, I don't know when Emily was created but this was a missed opportunity.
#helluva boss#helluva boss critical#vivziepop critical#helluva boss criticism#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss critique#vivziepop#anti-vivziepop#hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel critical#chaggie#charlastor#chimly#emily#alastor#radioapple#anti-hazbin#anti-hazbin hotel
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You know Viv fucked up, when even her hardcore fans are starting to realize how messed up the leak and the context surrounding it is.
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