Gang, I am looking for a photograph I know exists, but I can not find. It is a historic black and white photo of a group of butches/transmen with a sign that say's "Who says there are no boys in Chaigao" (I believe, in reference to the draft)

Questioning your gender really is just

I’m the trans man

I’m the butch

I’m the combination trans man-butch

You make life unbearable for butch women who want to exist in peace. You show the heteronormative world you're willing to nod your head and agree we're not good enough women, that you'll call yourself something else so they can laugh behind your back, and the rest of us are expected to be just as stupid and self-hating. No thank you. I hope you realize the example you're setting to everyone you speak to and hide in shame.

Research has just come out showing that lesbians overwhelmingly love and support trans people, including trans men, so you're just straight up wrong.

The idea that lesbians are transphobic is in fact lesphobia. Lesbians are actually even more supportive of trans people than the general LGBTQ community!!

Lesbians as a community are huge trans allies.

You are part of a small, whiny minority. Even your own community hates you. 92-96% of lesbians are supportive to very supportive of trans people.

Butch women and trans men are in fact one community. There is an unbroken spectrum from butch to transmasc. There is such an overlap between us it is call the trans-butch cusp.

Trans and lesbian solidarity is stronger than crybabies like you.

Go be bigoted and alone, loser. No one agrees with you.

Q: Lesbians who are also men/boys, what is your reason for that?

A: Multigender and/or genderfluid, transmasc nonbinary lesbian, trans man who still ids as lesbian, butch/gnc/pnc/tomboy lesbian who likes to be called man/boy, cusper (on the cusp/between being trans and cis gnc), system whose identities overlap/collective identity, multiple of these, other

as a trans gay guy, my relationship to the concept of the butch/transmasc overlap is so so weird. because on one level it's by and large a real social phenomenon that underlies a lot of common experiences and draws communities together and so on. but then on another level. like. some of us (transmascs) just Are Not Butch. i recently read fun home, and i was really struck by bechdel's account of butchness and how it... didn't actually resonate with me at all. like, i'm very familiar with feeling uncomfortable with conventional femininity, and with wanting to look male - but i keep re-realising that the experience of specifically aspiring to masculinity is just alien to me. in particular, bechdel describes feeling like she might have been compensating for her dad's femininity, and like... i've never felt anything like that. i've tried to put distance between myself and women's femininity, but i've only ever looked at fem men and felt jealous of them.

but then i look at the cis gay male community for examples of male femininity, and of course, it has its own gnc/trans overlap. and i don't aspire to trans womanhood any more than i aspire to cis womanhood.

so for people on those two cusps, gender and orientation might be very fluid and open-ended, but my personal desired gender expression is actually quite narrow and a very delicate balance - narrower and more specific even than a lot of other fem gay trans guys i've encountered.

what's more, i've heard from a lot of people on the transmasc/butch cusp in particular that, essentially, they know they're queer because they're attracted to women, and the rest is hazier, but maybe also less important. which is an interesting perspective, but again - completely alien to me. gender comes first for me, without a doubt - and even that can be subdivided. orientation comes after gender, but a positive sense of maleness also comes after a completely fundamental sense of non-femaleness. gender and sexuality are entangled for both of us - but once again, in opposite ways.

i conceive of myself as a binary man, but even so, it's like... almost a nonbinary experience, in a way. like, in very old-fashioned views of queerness, there are two basic types of queer - the butch-lesbian-transhet-man group and the fem-gay-transhet-woman group. there are male inverts and female inverts, FtMs and MtFs, or in polari, omee-palones and palone-omees (men-women and women-men). and someone like me just... doesn't fit into that framework. if an invert is a man with a woman's soul or a woman with a man's soul, what is a woman with the soul of a man with the soul of a woman? you need more layers. you need to recognise that gender and orientation are, or at least can be, separable experiences to be able to conceive of me at all. and ironically that often means you have to frame orientation almost like a gender, again - i believe lou sullivan referred to himself as female-to-gay-male, and i can see why.

but at the same time - we've allegedly come so far, and people can now nominally conceive of identities like mine - but it's still a huge struggle to even begin to express it. how do you reconcile rejection of cisfemininity and womanhood with a genuine desire to be subtly feminine/effeminate? i haven't found a way yet. i don't know if it will be possible until i can access medical transition (and even then, it might take years.) so in the meantime, i look butch, and i just have to live with the fact that the identity i'm broadcasting is the direct opposite of who i really want to be.

idk man. i'm a trans man, but maybe i'm transandrogynous. but it has to be the right androgyny, an androgyny i feel is "male", so maybe i'm not! i'm a faggot trapped in a dyke's body. i'm transitioning from one queer gender expression to another, and while i do feel a degree of solidarity and commonality with actual butches, i also feel like butchness is, for me, nearly as suffocating and dissonant as cisfemininity.

and reading this back now, i've realised i'm doing the same thing over again - i'm conflating my own gayness with my own desire for androgyny(?)/effeminacy(?), and somewhere out there, a fem transhet guy or a butch transhet girl is groaning with exactly the same kind of alienation i often feel.

god. gender is so complicated and so important and so stupid at the same time. why does it have to be so hard!!! we all just want to exist.

hey! genuine question, ive only seen the flag you have in your icon called the “butch lesbian flag” and i see that you say in your bio

do you also consider yourself lesbian? or are non-lesbians allowed to use the flag?

i ask because im butch but not lesbian and idk if i can use that flag

So, I for years would put the bi flag behind a character, as a headcanon or they WERE bi or because I just felt like it. I changed my icon to Van from Yellowjackets and, confident she would NOT ID as bi, it felt odd to put the flag behind her even if it was MY identity. So I put a shared one: butch.

Now, there’s lots of lesbian flags, trans inclusive or exclusive, there is the labrys, with all its complicated history and imagery. And there’s two butch flags. This one, which stresses butch lesbian:

And this one, which tends to either say butch lesbian or butch on its own:

I liked it, for its similarity to the Bear Flag, another group of shunned and complicated queer mascs.

Do I identify with the term lesbian?

Yes and no. I identify with it for the fact that many people have used it how I use bisexual throughout history, as for many it was more adjacent to “sapphic” or “likes women in a gay way.” There are male lesbians and bi lesbians and nb lesbians and lots of ways to be a lesbian. Some used the label AS a gender.

In many ways I identify with it, in others, the label makes me feel distant from another part of myself. My attraction to men would often be assumed absent if I used lesbian INSTEAD of bisexual, regardless of it I or others used it that way. So I hover on the cusp of the term lesbian and reach for bisexual first, sometimes only.

Now, words like dyke? I get told you cannot reclaim it if you aren’t a capital L Lesbian. But I’ve been called it. Plenty. I would attend dyke marches. The Boston Dyke March explicitly included bi dykes in their definition. Frankly, they said anyone who identifies with being a dyke is welcome to call themselves one.

So what about butch? I tell people to read it all the time but I went and copied the full opening essay of Butch Is A Noun titled “I Know What Butch Is” and will add it under the cut.

But long story (essay) short, if you identify with butchness, congrats, you’re a butch, and can use the butch flag.

I know what butch is. I know, and I’m going to tell you, so listen up and take notes. First of all, butch is a noun. And an adjective. And a verb.

Butches only ever wear jeans and boots, except if they’re wearing suits, and they keep their hair clipped down to a flattop you could putt off. Except if they have to for work. Or if they want to for sex. Or if they want to for some other reason. But otherwise it’s denim and leather and butch wax, kid, and don’t you forget it. Unless you’re vegan.

Toughness, even at the expense of gentleness, is a butch trait. Butches are outlaws. Also gentlemen. Gentlemen who open doors and pick up checks and say “after you” and hold your umbrella over you in the rain while the water drips down their sleeves. But butches not gentlemen if being a gentleman means imposing on the unsuspecting their sexist modes of acting out the cultural paradigm of the helplessness of women. Except if the unsuspecting are crying and need a handkerchief, or elderly and need a seat to sit down in, then it’s all right. Probably. But butches should never wait for a femme to tell them specifically that it is all right to behave in a gentlemanly fashion, they should just go ahead and do it because femmes like a butch with confidence, unless it turns out that she finds it offensive and feels as though you have imposed your gender fetish on her, you arrogant bastard.

And butches are monosyllabic, until you get to know them, which they will not allow but want, or will allow and want, or will allow but don’t want, or won’t allow and don’t want, so you may or may not get to know them, but you should try, or not. But butches are monosyllabic because all that talking is girl stuff, you know? Butches grunt in answer to questions; they speak sharply and emphatically. They do not share, process, or explain because these are activities that bring nothing but trouble, unless they are bringing relief to the troubled heart of a butch carrying around too much hurt or pain, though butches do not actually feel pain; they’re tough enough to either slough it off like dead skin or deal with all of that themselves. Unless someone wants for them to be emotionally available, in which case they can feel their feelings even though the presence of feelings is suspect in the first place, but they must stop immediately as soon as someone else is having a tough time so that all their resources can be directed to soothing that person.

I know what butch is. Butches are not beginner FTMs, except that sometimes they are, but it’s not a continuum except when it is. Butch is not a trans identity unless the butch in questions says it is, in which case it is, unless the tranny in question says it isn’t, in which case it’s not. There is no such thing as butch flight, no matter what the femmes or elders say, unless saying that invalidates the opinions of femmes in a sexist fashion or the opinions of elders in an ageist fashion. Or if they’re right. But they are not, because butch and transgender are the same thing with different names, except that butch is not a trans identity, unless it is; see above.

Butches are always tops. They always fuck the girls, and, for that matter, their partners are always girls; there is no such thing as a butch who is attracted to men. Well, transmen, but that’s just butch-on-butch repackaged as faggotry. But no non-trans-men. Unless the butch in question is a non-trans-man, then it’s okay. Except that non-trans-men cannot be butches, because butch is a queering of gender that assigned-male people cannot embody, unless they occasionally can, in which case they have to be gay men. Or the partners of femmes. Or not. But no one with an assigned-female body can be a butch and do it with assigned-male men. Unless they’re femmes. Or butches. I’m really putting my foot down on this one.

I know what butch is, and butches definitely, absolutely, do not get fucked, even if it feels so good to have someone slide in sweet and hard and rock them just right. They might eat pussy but they never suck cock, because licking pussy is chivalry without pants, and, of course, any butch would want to do anything to please the femme in hir life, if there is a femme. Which there has to be, in order to be a true butch, except if there does not have to be, but you cannot be a misogynist about it either, which a lack of interest in femmes and their attendant delights may be read as—if there is a lack, which there shouldn’t be. But anyway, cocksucking is about ownership and dominance, so butches must always be the ones having their cocks sucked, unless the owner of the cock being sucked by a butch is tied to something, but if a butch were tying down someone with a cock of some variety then the above rule would quite likely be violated, and I think I’ve been very clear about that, so never mind.

Butch has a lot of privilege because butches pass as men a lot, and butches also have a lot of privilege in the queer community because butch reads as queer and femme doesn’t always, and being able to pass to keep one’s self safe isn’t privilege if you’re a femme but it is if you’re a butch. Unless this is a butch who can pass as a heteronormative woman, in which case ze’s not really a butch anyway because no butch could do such a thing. Except that some of them can and also having kids really helps, even though no butch could have kids because of the rule about not getting fucked and also because that’s a femme’s job, but not everyone really understood their butchness all the way along and also sometimes there are fertility issues and also sometimes there’s not a femme so we’ll grandfather in some children but we’ll be suspicious of those butches. Unless they’re really great butch dads of whatever sex, in which case we’ll think it’s the damn cutest thing in the world and punch them on the arm, or if they’re awesome butch moms we’ll make approving comments about their ability to raise feminist men, but otherwise no children and no heteronormativity for sure, except for assigned male butches who do not exist.

Besides all of that, the butch pays. If there’s only one butch on the date. Unless the femme wants to. If there’s a femme present. If there’s a femme present, the butch pays unless hir paying would upset the femme or unless it creates class issues for the butch or patriarchy issues for the femme. Or if it’s two butches on a date, which they shouldn’t be. Or they should. In any case, they arm-wrestle for it. Except in such situations in which a public display of aggression on the part of butches, or an interaction which may be read as such, could potentially be detrimental to the community, to the mental health of those witnessing the act, to the butches themselves for feeling compelled to act out normative masculine-gendered conflict-resolution tactics, or to the glassware of the dining establishment, which so often gets broken. But otherwise, the butch always pays, and there’s just no getting around that.

I know what butch is. Butches are a brotherhood, or possibly a sisterhood, which would be a marvelous way to reclaim butch’s roots in the lesbian community except some butches were never part of the lesbian community and some were but aren’t any more, but placing masculine identities on butches is disrespectful, except when it’s desirable, but anyway, butches are a tribe, a tribe of people who have been maligned endlessly for, and in fact forged an identity in part out of, not fitting the gendered expectations of the culture in which they exist (until or unless they work to pass as men, which always or never or sometimes happens and is absolutely a great or problematic thing), so butches are very open to gendered variations in others and would never, ever try to make another butch feel like shit for having displayed a behavior which does not fit the microculture’s standard of what it means to be a butch, which is a useful or idealized or ridiculous or just plain complicated standard, so it should be adhered to, or critiqued, or aspired to, or not. Butches would also certainly never try to school younger butches in ways that are angry and dangerous because they feel like the process of toughening has disappeared from modern culture and butches need to be tough, dammit. Butches who do those sorts of things either are Real Butches or are Not Real Butches, depending who you ask.

There, that should be perfectly clear.

The thing I need binary trans people to understand is that when someone says, in the context of the queer community, how diverse identities work, and how mainstream cishet society reacts to us, that "there is overlap between butches and trans men and femboys and trans women and more"

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THAT YOU, PERSONALLY, INDIVIDUALLY, ARE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE.

It is acknowledging people who are on the cusp. It's acknowledging the self-identified cis queer men who didn't feel comfortable identifying as men until they started taking estrogen, and the self-identified cis butch women who didn't feel comfortable identifying as women until they started taking testosterone. They exist! It's acknowledging the people who don't know whether they consider themselves trans, gnc cis, or a secret third thing, and people who just don't CARE enough to nail it down any further than "well, I'm not a man/woman the way society wants me to be, at least." It is acknowledging that there is a SPECTRUM, with gnc but distinctly cis people on one end and YOU on the other - but regardless of the existence of the spectrum, cishet society thinks of us pretty much the same.

If you can think of a way to phrase this that may be harder to misinterpret as saying "binary trans people are still intrinsically their AGAB deep down", I'm all ears-

But if your problem is with people acknowledging the spectrum in the first place and realizing that you do share some experiences with some people who identify with your AGAB, that is what we call a You Problem that you need to work out on your own.

Butches aren’t disappearing lmao. If you go on to the butch tag on instagram you’ll find hundreds of self-described butches. I have a feeling YOU are the one who doesn’t think of them as butch, because many of them identify as trans. Fix your heart or die transphobe.

An example of how lesbian blogs and lesbians in general are treated when speaking out about what we observe in our own community and therefore are qualified to talk about but are pushed not to talk about. We are not taken seriously, somehow supposed to believe that the lesbian community is something we can only perceive from social media (here Instagram) and not from our real life interactions and who we see in the streets as well. Butches are disappearing just as much as lesbian bars are disappearing, I know it, I'm leaning more butch myself. I can tell when I don't see as much as before my people. I'm talking with other lesbians in private too, without fear of critics. So you can "lmao" at this subject all you want it just makes you sound like the one insensitive to these visibility issues.

I'll also let you know that butch lesbians who identify as trans non-binary they/them or on the cusp with trans men he/him pronouns are still though of as butch by me, one cannot change their sexual orientation even if they later in life take a path of transition, so swallow your judgements right away. I'm not saying we were always numerous, but we definitely were more visibly numerous than that, more proud of being homosexual masculine women, all these words counting together, I'm not old but old enough to have seen that shift and it happened relatively quickly.

Anyway, I wanted to publish for this time what sort of messages blogs like positivityforlesbians can receive, we either have to comply and not talk about our worries and observations (lying to ourselves and saying it's not happening) or you get these aggressive sort of gaslighting messages if not directly threats and wishes of murder/death. We are not transphobes for simply talking about the very real fact that there are less butches nowadays as there was before. The Pride walk nearly 10 years ago in my city had so much more masculine women than the one I went to this year, that's a fact and I don't need a fucking Instagram check to see that, if you do not want us to talk about it maybe it's because you are uncomfortable with one of the reasons cited on why this could be happening. Fuck off.

please disregard this if it’s too personal but i was wondering how you knew being butch was right for you?

signed, a 21 yr old going through a life crisis x

i don't think being (a) butch is something that one registers as being "right for you" in the same way you'd find a painkiller that works, in the same way you'd get "ask your doctor if [...] is right for you" ads on american television. every butch will have a different story as to how they got to coming into their own, to self-actualizing and finding solace/comfort/recognition in the word butch. every butch will put something else to the name, but we all have similarities, and it's in these similarities that i "self-recognized through the other(s)" in many ways.

i, personally, have a history of being really uncomfortable in typically feminine clothing. (this is not a butch thing. feminine clothing is manufactured to be uncomfortable. however, for me, it is part of a pattern.) i, personally, remember competing with boys at a young age, consciously to prove myself as, if not more worthy than; subconsciously for girls' attentions. i, personally, have a history of trying to be feminine in order to compensate a feeling of deep wrongness and feeling, consistently, genuinely monstrous doing so, which only stopped when i dropped that shit completely. i found i related to other butches' ~gender troubles~. i found i related to other butches' relationship to their own selves, bodies, and ways to navigate relationships. many butches are not particularly into femme girls, but butch/femme is an important part of butch history, and this part deeply resonated with me. butches' writings about their butch lovers, butch friends, and butch selves resonated with me. femmes' writings about their butch lovers and butch friends resonated with me. many butches do not have a particularly deep or long history or present of dysphoria, or of feeling of straddling the line of womanhood and (trans)masculinity, but equally as many do, and this resonated with me. butchness put a word on that feeling of cusp, of brink or boundary, which made sense to me, but might not make sense to others.

mostly i stopped staring in my own face trying to decipher its meaning and stared into others' instead and found my own here, and these others were butches. it's a word that makes sense to me. we do not have it in my mother tongue, we have other things, but lesbians Like That have existed across times and cultures, and when i use english, write english, speak english, in the way i'm going with you now, i'll use that word, because it exists, and it fits me in this tongue.

my last piece of advice is like. there are plenty of other things to be than butch. there are also plenty of things to be that are real close to butch but are not it. the butch-femme scale is not a thing. the vast majority of lesbians are neither butch nor femme.

in my personal experience, the more you obsess about your identity and the more you try to look into all the folds & wrinkles of your navel in order to find your reflection, the less authentically you live, and the less likely you are to find an answer. i know it's easy to say "just don't have an identify crisis ^.^ just vibe!" but like. you Are gonna have to vibe. you're gonna have to let the waves batter you for a bit and carry you upon rocks and shores. the more you struggle against the sea the less it'll relent, and it's stronger than you. go out in the world and see how it embraces you and how you feel like embracing it back. the answers will come in due time.

Hey, I have a question, how can someone be Turigirl or Lesboy. I am asking because I am confused of their meanings and how they work

turigirl/veldigirl refers to anyone who identifies as both a gay man and a girl/woman/etc. in some way, and lesboy is anyone who identifies as both a lesbian and a boy/man/etc. in some way. here's a few reasons why someone might identify this way:

they're multigender (for example, a lesbian who's both male and female, a gay man who's both nonbinary and female, etc.)

they're a cusper or evenic (for example, someone on the cusp between being a butch lesbian and a trans man)

(i'll use veldigirl for this example) they identify primarily or fully as a girl, but feel that their attraction to men is queer and/or is more similar to the way a gay man would feel attraction to men

in general, the identities of real people are far more complex than the dictionary definitions people try to create for genders and orientations, and someone identifying as two things that you personally view as mutually exclusive isn't hurting anyone by finding a way to describe their experiences

Pride Month shoutout to the trans guys who know they'd have been on the femboy/transfem cusp had they been AMAB and the trans girls who know they'd have been on the butch/transmasc cusp had they been AFAB because we are stronger than any US marine and all deserve to know it 🫡🫡🫡

Introduction - Redux.

Thaddeus.

30 Year Old Sagittarius-Capricorn cusp.

INFJ-T.

Trans Butch Lesbian.

Card Carrying Communist.

Ambulatory Cane User.

Alcoholic.

Something of a Peruser of the Occult.

Lover of Linguistics; Currently Learning Russian. Italian, Spanish, and French Are On Hold.

Author, Poet, and Occasional Screenplay Writer.

Lover of Jazz, Opera, Classical, and Russian Post-Punk, With a Soft Spot For Bosa Nova, Old School Electronic, Dabke, Bhangra, Folk Music, and Classic Rock.

In The Process of Living Purely Analog (No Smart Devices, etc.) And Whittling Away My Dependence On Technology.

Newly Discovered Tea Fanatic, After Years of Committing To French Roast Coffee.

Hello, I apologise if you've already received questions like this, but can you explain why you would say that transmisandry/androphobia is distinct from misogyny? I am a very masculine woman who often does things associated with transmasculinity — I exclusively wear men's clothing, I bind my chest (although I have been doing so less frequently since I have started becoming much more physically active), I often pack, I go by an unambiguously masculine name, which I have legally changed from my very feminine birth name, I have asked my friends to refer to me using he/him pronouns, I wince at almost all gendered language in reference to me. I am also dysphoric. But I still identify myself as a woman and with other women, which results in an enormous volume of what I would describe as misogynistic and lesbophobic abuse directed towards me (I'm bisexual, but as I mostly date women and am involved in lesbian community people often treat me like I'm functionally lesbian). However, I've come to notice that the hate targeting me lines up almost completely with what people describe as transmisandry.

For instance, people often act as though I am inherently dangerous due to my masculinity, and expect me to be (sometimes violently) misogynistic, although I'm female and openly feminist. Very often people say I'm objectifying or debasing other women when I mention my attraction to them, as if my attraction to someone automatically degrades her due to association with me. Something I've found stranger is that when I talk about my attraction to men, people become even more hostile. Reactions range from people saying that no man in his right mind could be attracted to an ugly dyke/gross tranny/confused girl like me, which confuses me to no end, especially as other women have been forced to perform heterosexual attraction for social credit/capital. Stranger still, a subset of gay men, mainly cissexual but some transsexuals as well, will become infuriated if I mention desire towards men, accusing me of "poorly aping" gay male desire and saying that I'm just trying to play out a fetishistic fantasy. Which confuses and angers me in equal parts.

All this to say, what do you mean by transmisandry? I feel I've experienced the hate you name transmisandry due to being a masculine woman. I haven't medically transitioned, but I have a lesbian friend who would identify as female-to-male and a dyke woman only, not any other form of woman, though not as a trans man, or transmasculine. This friend uses she and he pronouns, takes testosterone, and has had a double mastectomy/top surgery. She has faced an immense amount of medical abuse, compounded by her disability and her chronic illness. She has also described the medical field's ill treatment of her as misogyny, but what she has told me of her experience I have heard many transmascs describe as transandrophobia. I also know another woman who transitioned and then detransitioned. She has had her legal name changed to a very masculine one (she now goes by a middle ground between her old, feminine, and newer, masculine names.) She has been on testosterone for years, has had a hysterectomy, and BSO. The sex marker on her legal identification also now reads male. She has said that she feels that she faces more difficulty due to being a trans man now that she no longer sees herself as one, more than she faced whilst actively identifying as transmasculine. I can assume the experiences of many others are very different, but this cusp of transmasculine/butch woman experience has been very instrumental to my life, and also very common and well-understood in the lesbian circles that I run in.

Would you please explain your view? Of course you shouldn't feel obliged to answer any anonymous message, particularly one as long as this. But if you'd like to share, I'd be very interested in your answer. ☺️

When I talk about transandrophobia, I talk about it from the perspective of a trans man, how it impacts trans men, etc., because that's my experience and what impacts me the most. But the term is not exclusive to trans men or necessarily even people who identify as transmasculine. It is not separate from misogyny, it's a complimentary concept. You could simply describe you and your friends experiences as misogyny if you wanted to, but you could absolutely also use transandrophobia, too, if you wanted to be more specific. The point is not and has never been that it is exclusive to one group or another- bigots do not care what labels we attach to ourselves. The point of transandrophobia, to me at least, is to discuss the oppression of people whose masculinity diverges from that of acceptable masculinity as dictated by our society. Which yes, is largely an experience shared by trans men and transmasculine people, but also absolutely encompasses butches and other people on the cusp. It's actually an experience I relate to a lot.

I hope that clears it up. Apologies if I missed anything or misread- I don't do well with large walls of texts.

regarding the trans man who was killed, his name is malte c. some news sources were actually very respectful of his transness and talked about how transphobia is deadly but yeah, the anon is right. the comments are full of misgendering and terfs using his death for their profit. then they cry victim and say that the "tra"s are blaming radfems for his death (not true). some even claim that he stepped in since he was lesbian himself (which is unknown). these people really are sick. though what i found funny was one terf argued that he might have been a lesbian because trans men and lesbians have some history together? and i would think, yes, brenda. very good that you see how queer and trans people DO have history together. almost as if we're a community that sticks up for one another and fights against our oppression.... an lgbtq+ community, even! shocking 😳!

Yeah they always bring up “trans men and lesbians have a shared history” like it’s some kind of gotcha?

Yes, we have a history because butch lesbians and trans men have many shared issues. And gender and sexuality aren’t always clear cut, some trans men identified as lesbians before and still feel a connection with that label, and you have people like me who are kind of on the cusp between a trans man and a masc lesbian. That’s why I call myself a lesboy.

He may have identified himself as a lesbian, he may not have. That’s not our business and the fact they’re using his death for their own politics and focusing on stuff like that about him is disgusting. The guy was beaten to death in a fucking hate crime. Have some respect.

when bo burnham said "the radical feminists made my wife a man" in 2010 he was actually on the cutting edge of the trans-butch cusp discourse