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valiantphantomangel · 12 days

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There is nothing wrong with being shy

Request: could you please do something like Chris Hemsworth X Reader where she’s somewhat new to the marvel cast and is quite shy and whilst Chris is trying to make her feel comfortable he accidentally finds out she’s ticklish?

A/n: My Tumblr was once again not working so I'm gonna do it this way for this request and it took a hell of a lot longer then expected but here it is, i hope you enjoy 💜

You had no idea how you could have gotten so lucky, it all just started as a joke.

Audition to play Thor's sister. That was all it said in the page that your best friend send you, thinking of it as a joke you applied for the role.

A few days later you suddenly got an email from THE Marvel Studios, you almost fainted when it appeared in your inbox and before you could utter 'ta-da' you had opened and sped through the email, you read it again and again and again not believing that this was happening.

They were sending you some lines that you had to say, record and send to them since you were one of the last three candidates.

Not long after you send in your little scene and a week later you were flying to Atlanta to start filming.

Now that you are standing in your trailer, nerves racing through your body as you try to stop your hands from shaking, never in a million years did you think that it was possible for you to be in a Marvel Movie, as a main character!

You met Chris a few days ago and he was the sweetest guy you ever met, always making sure that you were comfortable and ready for the scenes. Today was the day that you would start with your first big fight scene and the nerves were getting the better of you.

Sitting alone in your trailer while your leg was bouncing up and down, in just a top and sweatpants since you would change into your costume later as you waited to be called over.

Suddenly there was a knock at the door to which you shouted "come in".

"How are you doing, nervous?" Chris asked with a smile as he walked in and closed the door behind him.

"yeah you can say that, I couldn't even eat with the nerves" you grumble as you flop onto the couch and look at him sideways.

"You have no need to be nervous Hun, you're absolutely perfect and one of the best teen actresses that I've worked with" he said with a soft smile as he poked your side as a joke.

Not expecting it you let out a soft giggle which both of you heard and you looked up at him with wide eyes.

Chris was grinning like the cheshire cat as he looked down at you and quickly sat down on your thighs and traced your ribs.

"Is little Y/N ticklish? That's adorable" he cooed while ghost tickling your bare stomach.

"Don't you darEHEHEH" you try to protest but fall into a giggle fit as he squeezed your sides.

"Oh I do dare, how else would I hear that cute little laugh of yours my lady" He said in his Thor voice as he continued to attack you.

"My laugh is not cuTehHIHIHI, CHRISHAHAHHA" you scream laughed as you trashed around.

"Yes Y/N" Hemsworth said innocently as he spidered over you tummy.

"STOPHAHHAA ITHIHIHI"!!!

"No not else you tell me what's wrong"

"NEVERHAHAHAHAHGAGA"

"Then I guess I'll just have to continue" he sighed as if it hurt him and blew a raspberry in your neck.

You continued to stay resilient until he moved from your tummy to your feet.

"OkAY OKAY OKAY I'll tell youhihihihi" you say still breathless from the giggles.

"I'm listening"

"It's just that- argh I'm nervous that I'm going to screw up everything and that they don't want me to act anymore and that I'm too shy that they don't want to talk to me anymore" you sighed as you sat up.

"Oh darling, they would never. Kevin feige loves you and every crew member can't stop talking about how polite you are to them, there's nothing wrong with being a bit shy, Even Downey was impressed with your acting and that's saying something" Chris said with a smile as he pulled sat next to you and pulled you into his side, with his arm over your shoulder and rubbing comforting circles over your arm "And I think you're the best young actress that I've worked with, next to my daughter of course"

I tried to find something to say but couldn't so you just settled for curling up next to him, filming could wait for a few minutes. And even though you didn't say anything, Chris knew perfectly well what you wanted to say.

#chris hemsworth #Thor #tickle fic #marvel tickle #lee!reader #ticklish!reader #ticklish ribs #request #ler!chris #avengers tickle #avengers cast

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toastedkiwi · 1 year

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how does henry and mcu!actress feel about henry not being superman anymore? :(

She’s so sad for him but she’s like “I’m calling Kevin Feige! We’re gonna get you into a good film with good writers. I’m gonna make sure you don’t get screwed over again.” Anthony Mackie even called her to speak to her husband and told him he talked with Feige. They’re gonna see what they can do.

Henry just needs a hug. He’s just so disappointed by DC and probably The Witcher too.

#henry cavill headcanon #henry cavill x mcu actress!reader

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tobiasdrake · 9 months

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The confrontation with K.E.V.I.N. is definitely the most controversial part of the show, but personally, I like it. After taking ownership of her own Hulkness, Jen faces the ultimate opponent and seizes control of her show. And y'know what? She's right.

Like. Todd getting Hulk powers is pretty dumb. He's not a worthy and powerful rival to Jen. He's a weak and insecure man-baby and the show should treat him like a weak and insecure man-baby. Letting him be an actual action climax threat is giving him too much dignity.

And also, screw off, Bruce. This isn't your show. You don't get to be the rippling hero, riding in to save your helpless damsel cousin here. In fact, in the original scene, Bruce was a further conflict; He was attacking Abomination out of a misunderstanding. Emil was actually the one on Jen's side here!

There is something compelling about contriving a situation where we're suddenly rooting for Emil to win against Bruce because the latter's going off half-cocked and throwing punches in the wrong direction in a misguided to be the macho man and save his cousin.

But the focus of this climax shouldn't be on Bruce and Emil. This is Jen's show. Jen should be the star of the finale.

And yeah, let's get that shallow man-meat back out here. Sure, it's a little objectifying to treat Matt like this but that's how a lot of superhero media handles their female characters so turnabout is fair play. Let Jen have this!

I am completely onboard with Jen's changes to this climax.

Of course, a question could be asked, "If the climax is stupid then why did you write it like that?" Uh. So Jen would have an excuse to go call Kevin Feige a repetitive hack to his robo-face. Jen seizing control of her own show from Kevin, the final expression of Jen taking agency over She-Hulk, isn't a means to an end. It is the end. This is how the ever fourth-wall breaking Jen manifests her self-actualization.

#marvel #marvel cinematic universe #she-hulk #jen walters #jennifer walters

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sycamorelibrary754 · 5 months

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Hi guardian angel is beautiful. Wanda deserves happiness and if Kevin feige can't give her a happy screw him. I believe you can do it for us.

Thank you for the compliment! 🥰 I think Guardian Angel is beautiful as well. Oh boy 🫣 I will certainly do my best to give Wanda the happy ending she deserves. ☺️🥹

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thatsastepladder · 11 months

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"James Gunn says this" "Kevin Feige says that"

I really don't care, can we just be done with live-action superhero movies and cross-media cinematic universes for a while? The MCU was a success, great, you did it, congrats, good for you.

Now quit it, I'm so tired of cross-media synergy and tying all superhero media into larger universes and not letting things stand on their own to the point that we don't even get good cartoons from Marvel and DC any more that aren't constrained by the movie universes.

I miss the days when superhero movies were enough of box office failures that there could be unique takes on the characters across different media, and they didn't feel beholden to the movies.

You want to make a Creature Commandos animated series? Great, go for it, just don't tie it in with your live-action universe and screw actual voice actors out of jobs by mandating that the same performers play the characters across different media.

New Spider-Man cartoon? Great. But not whatever that Freshman Year drivel is - the last thing we need is yet another high school aged Peter Parker, let alone one that's forced to be wimpy Tom Holland.

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thelightofthingshopedfor · 2 years

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Isn't there way more male villains though? And I doubt marvel are saying anything particularly deep about that. It just seems to be what it is.

that's like...the opposite of my point. for one thing, when we're talking about tropes and storytelling trends, we're not talking about, like, acts of nature, or other things that just are what they are; we're talking about fictional narratives, created by other people with their own biases and senses of what's normal and what isn't, and of course if the people creating those narratives tends to skew heavily cis straight white male, then you're going to get a lot of stories that reflect a cis straight white male point of view, right? if nearly all the people making the stories are white guys, you're going to keep getting stories about white guys, even if those stories increasingly fail to reflect reality. that isn't a thing that just happens.

you'll notice, too, that I was talking about numbers and trends, and that was my specific context for criticizing this storyline. tropes and trends, almost by definition, don't happen because of a single person's choices, or because of a single piece of work. they exist purely in the aggregate. they exist because nothing exists in a vacuum and it's really, really weird to act like it does, as if every piece of media must only be approached on its own merits or lack thereof without ever considering a larger context. I mean, shit, the MCU put a ton of work into building this probably-way-too-big-by-now interconnected universe, they want people to be fans of the whole damn thing, they want people to consider the whole context when it works, so of course it's reasonable to think on a larger scale when you're looking at themes.

and of course I'm not saying Kevin Feige et al. are deliberately trying to say something deep about women being unable to handle power. I think it doesn't matter because I'm not talking about what they're trying to say. I'm literally just talking about numbers: how many title characters have we had? what's the ratio of male title characters to female title characters? (remember, roughly a third of the title characters have been female, and that's if you're really stretching it.) how many of them have started out good and gone catastrophically bad before redeeming themselves at the last second through a sacrificial death? that few, huh? no, I don't think Marvel Studios is trying to make a deep poing here. I think Kevin Feige and various directors just don't care enough to recognize the unfortunate implications of some of their decisions, mostly because they don't have to, because it's obvious the money will keep coming regardless.

but that's the other thing, I wasn't talking about villains. I don't really...care? like, yeah, I'm sure the MCU has had more male villains than female ones, but that's a totally different discussion than the one I was having, because I was talking about title characters. protagonists. generally speaking, heroes. the characters the audience cares about and pays money to see. viewpoint characters. the ones we're supposed to sympathize with even when they screw up. the important ones. the ones where, you know, we talk about representation because that shit actually matters. and unless this Wanda isn't actually dead or we also end up with a male title character who is a good guy for a long time, turns catastrophically bad for one reason or another, and redeems himself at the last second by dying for the greater good, then I think it's pretty reasonable to look at it in terms of tropes and numbers and say that it's gross.

(I actually don't want them doing this with a male character either, or going the Ben Solo route with somebody who's mostly been a villain but then gets to be Not A Villain before heroically sacrificing themselves. I think it's a shitty, lazy storyline. way more interesting for the character to survive their heroic sacrifice and have to live with the consequences.)

#conversations #anonymous #meta #my meta #marvel cinematic universe #wanda maximoff #wanda maximoff defense squad

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newagesispage · 11 months

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JULY2023

THE RIB PAGE

Elliot Page has given us a memoir titled Pageboy. ** Another good offering looks like The Book of Charlie by David Von Drehle.

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Another book release is A Tour De Farce: The complete history of the 3 Stooges on the Road by Gary Lassin.** And let’s not forget Ed Begley Jr. Who has written, To the temple of tranquility and step on it.

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Naomi Watts married Billy Crudup. ** Andy Richter married Jennifer Herrera and Conan was the last- minute officiant.

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DQ is getting rid of cherry dip. What the fuck? W was just discussing cherry dip the other day with a friend that had worked at DQ and she did not even know they had it. Try advertising the product, people before getting rid of it. Why does fast food always screw it up?? KFC let go of their lil’ lemon parfait and Steak and Shake stopped serving lemon, lime and orange freezes. C’mon. Somebody could open a restaurant with just the stuff that other places discontinue.

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Chelsea Peretti has directed, ‘First time female director.’

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A Federal Court overturned the Arkansas law that kept Dr.’s from providing gender transition treatment for transgender youth.

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Days alert: It’s like Nicole never learns not to lie. Never! At least she admits she is the queen of lies. ** The Body and Soul soap within a soap is too fucking funny! ** Terrell Ransom Jr. The actor that played Theo Carver as a young man may be on the way back!!** Xander and Sarah forever!!** C’mon, let’s try Li and Kristen and Chloe and Rex!!

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The 2024 Hollywood Walk of Fame has been announced!! The year will give stars to Chadwick boseman, Kevin Feige, Gal Gadot, Maggie g

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The 76th Tony’s came on June 11. My best dressed were Rachel Brosnahan, Lea Michele, Lupita Nyong’o and Jessica Chastain. Winners included Jodie Comer, J. Harrison Ghee, Sean Hayes, Bonnie Milligan and Alex Newell. The big musical, play and revival awards went to Kimberly Akimbo, Leopoldstadt, Parade and Top dog/Underdog. Aaron Rodgers was there to support his friend, C.J. Cormac who produced Ain’t no Mo.

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Censure Adam Schiff for telling the truth??** Pelosi told her Republican colleagues that they looked miserable. It is a fitting twist on the “you look marvelous” era. I mean, they do always look miserable. ** John Durham keeps saying he does not keep up with the news so he couldn’t know if there was anything to the Trump/ Russia controversy. He did admit that Trump made use of the Russian hackers. He poo pooed the Mueller investigation that brought half a dozen convictions. ** Greene and Boebert have been fighting on the house floor. How do people this ignorant get elected.

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The Wagner mercinary group staged a March for Justice in Russia.

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President Biden hosted Modi of India and the man took questions from reporters, a first!

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Georgia poll worker Ruby Freeman was completely cleared of fraud in the election.

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45 bags of human remains were found in a gulch in Guadalijara, Mexico.

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President Biden had to have a root canal. He also called Chinese President Xi a “dictator” at a fundraiser. ** Hunter Biden pled guilty to filing taxes late and will avoid charges that he lied about his drug use when purchasing a handgun. McCarthy called it a sweetheart deal. ** Comer admits that they have these investigations to bring down Biden’s poll numbers.

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Everybody seems filled with anxiety and the world seems a little more rude but murder is down 12%.

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The bodies of 81 immigrants went into the water off the coast of Greece.

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Ted Kazinsky and Pat Robertson have died.

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Danny Bonaduce has been diagnosed with Hydrocephalus and had brain surgery. He is recovering nicely.

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A new landfill was halted in Peoria, Il. The current landfill should be full in a year or two. It was discovered that an old diamond mine, Black Jewel no. 2, was discovered underneath. The hazards are being looked into.

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Chris Licht is out at CNN.

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Pat Sajak is finally retiring from Wheel of Fortune. Ryan Seacrest is taking over? That sounds about right. The blandness continues.

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Scary Clown 45 was indicted on June 13. ** When Trump runs, GOP loses. - John Thune** A new poll shows 59% of the country wants Trump to end his campaign.

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Can’t wait for the Doc, Chasing Chasing Amy.

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2 Southern Baptists churches were expelled for having women pastors.

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A company out of Washington state called Recompose will let your loved ones go back to the earth naturally as mulch.

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American Auto and Grand Crew were cancelled. Damn, NBC, didn’t you learn your lesson with Brooklyn 99? American Auto and Grand Crew are some of the funniest shows on tv. ** Mindhunter and Perry Mason were also cancelled.

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Pete Davidson was charged with reckless driving. He has checked into rehab.

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Paul McCartney has a picture book of the things he saw as the Beatles invaded America. Eyes of the Storm: 1964 looks awesome.

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The PGA? The Saudi’s? What?? The Saudi’s are taking complete control of the PGA. They won’t tell us all the details. Is that a security risk? Many of the players and 9-11 victims feel betrayed. Sen. Richard Blumenthal is looking into it.

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Trevor Noah is starting a podcast that is still to be named.

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Oceangate lost 5 passengers that paid $250,000 each to ride to the Titanic in a submersible named Titan. Contact was lost and the mystery began. It looks like the ship claimed 5 more.

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I hate the word, homophobia. It’s not a phobia, you’re not scared, you’re an asshole. - Morgan Freeman

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aesthetic-carley · 3 years

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For those of you upset about Fietro being a random person instead of FOX QS... don’t be. Y’all did this to yourselves.

1. This entire show is meta, and it’s based on meta concepts. The fact that it’s a tv show parodying a tv show should’ve been an indication that there would be a ton of meta jokes in it, INCLUDING the Evan Peters situation. It’s a meta casting choice in a meta show. It makes sense.

2. It’s a joke. It’s an easter egg. It’s a reference. This stuff happens all the time.

3. There was zero indication that Evan would be playing FOX-verse Quicksilver. NONE. Just because it connects to the movie Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness doesn’t mean that it has to be a Multiverse movie. Wanda is going to be in the movie. That’s the connection.

4. The whole audio subtitles thing from episode 5 is for blind people to explain what’s happening. Calling him “Quicksilver from the X-Men movies” tells the listener that it’s Evan Peters instead of Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

5. “Why didn’t they use a random actor??? If it’s not X-Verse Quicksilver, why use Evan?” If they used a random actor, NOBODY would’ve trusted him at ALL. Feige said that the point of casting Evan was to screw with Wanda. To confuse her. They wanted to make the viewer feel the same way Wanda was feeling. Confused. Questioning who this guy is.

6. “Why didn’t they bring Aaron Taylor-Johnson back???” If they brought ATJ back, Wanda wouldn’t have been confused. She wouldn’t have felt the need to question his motivations. It would’ve defeated the entire purpose.

7. “If he’s some random guy, how does he have Pietro’s super speed???” Easy. Agatha’s necklace hex. Agatha put a spell on him. Obviously witches can give people powers. Wanda did it to her sons. Also, it’s a FAKE WORLD. Agatha All Along was proof that Agatha had a ton of control over the things happening in the Hex. It’s not surprising that she could give this random guy powers in a world that isn’t real.

8. It’s pretty obvious that Kevin Feige wouldn’t wanna associate his movies with the X-Men movies, even if it’s via multiverse. A lot of those movies were total disasters, and the timeline doesn’t make sense. The MCU has a very clear direction, and they plan years ahead of time. Kevin wants to keep the franchises separate because he doesn’t want his franchise to get tainted.

9. The story was never about Pietro. Or Magneto. Or Reed Richards. Or Mephisto. Or mutants. Or the multiverse. Or Doctor Strange. The show was about Wanda and Vision, but mainly Wanda. It was about her trying to deal with her grief, and the ending reflected that.

The people who are genuinely upset that he wasn’t Peter Maximoff need to lighten up. They did it to themselves. The finale was great.

#wandavision spoilers #wandavision #mcu #marvel #billy kaplan #tommy shepherd #wanda maximoff #scarlet witch #the vision #quicksilver #evan peters #pietro maximoff

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iamnmbr3 · 3 years

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Link to article: https://thedirect.com/article/spider-man-3-no-way-home-loki-mcu-collaboration-producer

"constantly communicating... to make sure that you're not screwing each other up."

- Mike Waldron.

Dude, you already kinda screwed your own show in the first place. It's nothing but a soulless bouncing board to set up the multiverse.

I guess it's time to pray for Spidey too cus Mike seems to popping up everywhere in phase 4. Did he steal the tempad from the TVA ┐(´ー｀)┌ why does Marvel keep going to him n inflate his ego smh

yup. mike's been given control over so much mcu stuff and a Star Wars project too. it's baffling bc the man has no talent. like. yes he particularly doesn't understand loki and seems to actively dislike and resent the character and the fans and even the actor who plays him, but looking at how he wrote other characters he does like, or that awful screenplay he wrote and then slightly tweaked for the loki show, it's apparent that even when he's trying he just has no talent or writing ability. or experience. why Kevin feige is building him up so much is an utter mystery to me. dr strange was already written tho and mike is coming in to "fix" the script so it'll probably be better since he's not writing it from scratch - how bad it will be depends on how much he changes.

#asks #loki tv series #loki series

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mysadcomedylife · 3 years

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I see people talking about Kevin feige that with those Eternals reviews and first impressions he might not want to do more diverse projects in the future for the MCU. people who say that im sorry but you are too naive. do y'all really think that he alongside with victoria alonso and the other producers they didn't expect that??? they've been working in this industry for decades, they know how people can be real pieces of shit. And that's exactly the point: they were ready to take the risks and they knew what would come once the movie was out. but they didn't care.

kevin himself said at the premiere that Eternals was only the beginning of the big change the MCU was gonna go through, and we all know how this man is with planning stuff right?? And even though I didn't saw the movie yet i trust chloe with my eyes closed. There's no way that woman could screw up something in her life.

i hope until 2023 with The Marvels coming people stop being little annoying crying bitches because i don't know if i can do this again without K word someone. :)

#marvel #eternals #chloe zhao #kevin feige #mcu

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kenstaroyco · 2 years

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andrew calls in sick for (one) panel and they just go hey fuck him you're gone! which is why im so conflicted about wanting another spidey project with andrew. apart from worrying about the quality i don't want him doing sony any favors screw that. but i also wanna see my boy again so so much you see the problem. he should demand triple the pay.

yeah i don’t think he would do any new tasm movie unless he has some creative control whether that’s producing or writing bc i feel like he would never be able to trust sony again i’m pretty sure he did mcu just bc it was his dream to be in the mcu and he can actually trust kevin feige (plus all the other stuff he said about agreeing to comeback)

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nikkoliferous · 4 years

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Phase One: Thor

Since I was looking up my past live-blog of the novel and realising how annoying and repetitive reading through it all is because of my having structured it as a bunch of reblogs, I’ve decided to organize it all into one long-ass post instead. In case anyone else wants to read it in the future. Or in case I decide to re-read it. Because I’m hilarious. 😅

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO

My Hilarious Yet Wrathful Overview Of Phase One: Thor, Redux

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If your son who’s to become king requires a babysitter to not screw it all up and also the idea of him being king is stressful enough to put you into a coma, maybe, uh… reconsider doing that? Just a thought.

But you see here why Odin was so deadset on Thor becoming king, despite him being ill-suited for the role. It’s not about what’s best for Asgard; it’s about personal legacy. Thor is Odin’s mini me, and Loki is very much not. There are places within the text where Odin laments Thor “lacking his father’s wisdom” (he’s definitely inherited your humility, though, Odin!), but he hopes for Thor to grow into a “wise king” like himself. Whereas he holds no such illusions (lol, pun) that Loki will ever take after him.

now with tag commentary! #this scene is in the script and both novelizations #(though in reading this novel seems to just be a more complete version of the junior novel? #idk i'm confused because they're supposedly written by different authors but so far the text is identical) #and it drives me insane each time i read it

“Haha, I’m a warmongering piece of shit, isn’t it funny?”

I know, I know. I try to cut Asgard some slack for being such a militaristic culture because social changes happen slowly and when you live for thousands of years per generation, it makes sense that your views on things like war would be regressive. The text says Odin has ruled Asgard for tens of thousands of years (so much for taking Loki’s “give or take 5,000 years” line literally; sure, the Odinsleep would have extended Odin’s lifespan, but by that much? Idk).

Still, fuck Odin. Especially since he’ll eventually try to shame Loki for doing the same thing he’s fucking boasting about here. And on a much smaller scale too.

…is it, though?

I actually think Loki’s relationship with being the centre of attention is really interesting in its complexity and we don’t discuss it enough. I’ve said this before, but he strikes me as the sort of person who craves attention but also wouldn’t really know what to do with it if he had it. He craves it as a result of neglect, because he’s never been shown recognition or validation. This is why he seems to revel in it in Stuttgart, even in (or maybe especially in?) his brainwashed state. But he also frequently comes across as pretty introverted and has horrible self-esteem, so I think on another level, sustained, genuine attention would make him feel kind of uncomfortable. Loki seems to believe that in order to be loved or respected, he has to literally be Thor, though. And Thor has always been the centre of attention, so for Loki, attention is synonymous with respect.

I find Loki’s relationship with wanting attention especially fascinating because I too both crave and fear it. As a borderline, I need it. When no one is paying attention to me, I lose my sense of identity. I feel as though I literally cease to exist. It’s excruciatingly painful. And yet, I have no authentic sense of self; I’m just a chameleon, and the closer people get to me, the more likely it is they’ll see behind my mask. They’ll realise it’s all a show and that I’m actually no one. And then they’ll leave. I can’t help wondering if that’s how Loki feels sometimes too.

Wait, what? You mean goat. His horns are shaped like a goat’s. This is a ram:

This is a goat:

This is Loki:

Do you see now? They’re like a goat. Not a ram. Not a cow. A GOAT.

This book was written before Ragnarok was a thing, so it may be unfair to connect the two, but it still seems worth noting that it was Thor who reduced Loki to being no more than a trickster to begin with. “You could be more,” my ass. Loki’s problem has never been that he was one-dimensional; it was always that the people in his life, including Thor, refused to see any other dimensions to him. Which makes those words particularly cruel—as if they aren’t cruel enough already, what with the physical torture and all.

Always happy to have cause to point out that

Loki was on Thor clean-up duty their whole lives; he certainly was not trying to kill Thor.

People like to point to Loki’s attempted genocide of the Jötnar and attempted(-ish? lol) conquest of Earth as proof that he’s some kind of violent maniac. But in a little place I like to call reality, Loki was historically far less aggressive and bloodthirsty than his peers.

Question: why is one conqueror evil and the other is righteously entitled to ruling over the Nine Realms?

Asgardian exceptionalism FTW

I can’t even begin to imagine what would lead you to expect such a thing, Odin. 😂

Uh, ‘cause it is?? And also their planet is MELTING without it??

This is all only within the first two chapters, btw. Lmao

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“Looking for answers,” my foot.

YOU WOULD THINK SO, WOULDN’T YOU??

#i mean unless you knew heimdall #he only commits treason on days that end in y

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What’d I say? Thor clean-up dutyyyyy

Just wanna remind everyone that this

is why he’s smiling during this scene

because it makes me laugh every time. 😂

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My heart breaks every time I remember that second excerpt because literally ALL OF IT happened to him when he survived falling through the wormhole. My poor boy. 😭

But also of note… Loki gets cold (and also does not like being cold). This interests me because 1) as many are aware, the prevalent headcanon that Loki has a low body temperature irritates me and 2) it possibly(?) lends weight to the theory that he may not be fully Jötun, whether by virtue of his birth or Odin’s spell.

Haha, look at this Feminist Icon™ trying to take credit for his female friend’s accomplishments! Truly inspiring.

#for some reason the ragnarok lovers have somehow decided that thor is both a feminist and lesbian icon #whatever that means 🤷‍♀️ #and i'm still trying very hard to figure out why #is it literally just because he *says* he respects women or whatever in that dumb rambly conversation with valkyrie?

Ooh… you were so close to getting the point, Volstagg. So close. Take your tongue off Odin’s boot for just a couple minutes longer.

Also, the author just forgot the name of the Casket. How did this book get published? 😂

JUST LOOKING FOR ANSWERS, HUH?

Because fuck Loki, amirite? He, uh… he’s a prince too, you know.

Also… Fandral, you dweeb 😂

…am I reading too much into this, or did Odin just literally forget that Loki exists?

On the other hand, the author also seemed to forget Loki existed for most of this chapter, so who knows. 🤷‍♀️

lmao @ Jane immediately trying to convince herself she’s too rational to be attracted to a stranger

Honestly, though, big mood.

Just your periodic reminder that Thor’s sycophantic friends KNEW Loki was right and decided to throw him under the bus anyway.

Just as I’ve always said: That was it. That was their ENTIRE rationale. That Loki *could* have done it, therefore he must have. Please tell me these people have nothing to do with Asgard’s justice system.

…lol, jk, Asgard has no justice system.

Ok, first of all, no.

Second: thank you, Fandral. You’re a self-absorbed cad, but also evidently Thor’s least stupid friend.

Thirdly, how…? First, it was, “Loki arranged all this because he’s jealous of Thor.” Now they’ve suddenly jumped all the way to, “All of Asgard is in danger.” What exactly does Sif think Loki is planning? He’s gonna, what… assassinate Odin and then sell Asgard to the Jötnar?

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Please stop hurting me.

Just so there’s no confusion: this one sentence explains everything Loki did for the rest of the movie. It explains how a person who has been historically non-aggressive suddenly transforms into a warmonger. To prove himself a real Asgardian, like his brother and father and grandfather.

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…why did Odin fall into the Odinsleep in two completely different scenes in this book? I’m super confused.

Also, we really need to talk about how cruel it is of Marvel to keep forcing Loki to prove his loyalty again and again and again when he’s been doing so almost literally since we met him. And by “we need to talk about it”, I mean I need to tie Kevin Feige and co. to a chair and spend a minimum of five hours lecturing them on how poorly they understand their own fucking character.

Let’s just be clear here: they’re talking about Loki. They’re saying Loki, their LEGITIMATE king, is an enemy of Asgard, based on evidence so paper-thin it’s practically invisible. Just… please, let that sink in. Take a moment to appreciate how utterly fucked up that is.

I’m sorry (not really), but Thor was so much funnier before Ragnarok.

This scene has always kind of bugged me. If Odin removed Thor’s powers, how come he can still control the weather? Confusing.

So what exactly was Thor’s plan anyway, before he realised he couldn’t lift Mjölnir? He was just gonna call on Heimdall to help him commit treason AGAIN, show up on Asgard against the expressed command of his king, and… Odin would just shrug and be like, “You got me, son! I guess I can’t keep you down. Welcome home!”?

…I mean, I guess that more or less is what happened in the end, but it’s hard to imagine it would have still gone down that way without all the stuff that happened with Loki. Idk.

#look what i'm saying is... thor is not exactly a thinking person #no one on asgard is a thinking person #except loki but he's crazy now so he's also thinking somewhat poorly lol

Cool, Thor. Now imagine feeling that way for ONE THOUSAND YEARS and develop a little fucking empathy for your brother.

But you won’t.

You’ll brush off his feelings of worthlessness as “imagined slights”. 😒

Nice that somebody knows how the royal line of succession works, I guess…

That sound you hear? Yeah, that’s just my heart breaking. NBD.

First, they mislabelled it the Casket of Eternal Winters. Now it’s the Cask of Ancient Winters. Author must have been thirsty when they wrote this. Lol

Look, not to nitpick, but this is not the recommended procedure when you see a storm that you don’t believe is of supernatural origin coming. I’m just saying. Lol

Uh… ‘cause he is?? And your pals are committing treason AGAIN, Thor, so it technically is responding to a threat to Asgard. Just FYI.

Anyways, this is an important point that doesn’t get made often enough. People want to act like Loki illegally usurped the throne somehow, but even without the deleted scene that explicitly shows Frigga passing rulership to him (a scene which is, for some reason, entirely skipped over in this book, but whatever), understand this: Loki could not have controlled the Destroyer unless he was legitimately King of Asgard. The fact that he’s able to do so is irrefutable proof that his rulership is valid.

lmao you little shit

So… here’s my issue with this scene (and with Thor as a character): He always assumes that Loki’s acting out specifically to hurt him. That Loki’s entire life and thought process revolves around Thor. He does it in this scene, he does it in The Avengers… it’s just a chronic thing with Thor. Everything is viewed through the lens of Loki inexplicably hating him.

But that’s… just not accurate. Yes, Loki harbours a lot of jealousy towards Thor. But that’s not what’s happening in this scene. Loki is not trying to kill Thor here because he wants him dead; he’s doing it because Thor (and his friends) are getting in the way of Loki completing his ultimate goal. Loki tried to solve this problem non-violently, by lying about Odin being dead. It’s Thor’s friends who all but forced his hand by going behind his back and trying to bring Thor back to Asgard against Loki’s (and Odin’s!) direct orders.

For all the humility he’s learned in the past few days, this entire speech is still really all about Thor. About assuming that Loki’s doing this for personal reasons, because he holds a grudge against Thor for some unknown reason. This is implicit in his request to “take [my life] and end this.” It never even occurs to him that his friends are traitors to the Crown and Loki, as King of Asgard, is perhaps justified in pursuing them.

It also needs to be acknowledged that Thor’s apology here is hollow, even if it’s ultimately coming from his heart, because he has no idea what he’s apologising for. “Whatever I have done to wrong you” is not an apology. An apology addresses specific hurtful actions taken and commits to not repeating those mistakes in the future. Thor cannot commit to not repeating the hurtful things he’s done, because he doesn’t know what he’s done. Despite his best intentions, what Thor is doing here is actually kind of manipulative. He’s not addressing any substantive issue between the two of them; he’s just trying to talk Loki down. And it ultimately fails not because Loki doesn’t care or because he wants Thor dead, but because it doesn’t actually change anything.

Finally and only semi-relatedly, we should maybe at some point talk about the fact that Loki, who is stated to be a master tactician, has displayed a weird pattern of hardly ever being as lethal as he could be. He freezes Heimdall in place instead of killing him outright; he backhands Thor with the Destroyer instead of incinerating him; he, well… *gestures vaguely at almost the entirety of the first Avengers movie* Anytime the violence is even a little bit personal, he seems to hedge. Odd behaviour for somebody who’s supposedly super evil.

I’m sorry, I know I’ve pointed it out at least a hundred times before, but I just can’t encounter this scene in any form without taking a moment to appreciate how underrated and hilarious it is.

I also genuinely wonder how many Ragnarok stans who have accused me of having no sense of humour, have failed to laugh at moments like this one. Kinda feel like if you need to have the comedy spoonfed to you in the form of ass jokes, maybe you’re the one whose sense of humour is lacking. 🤷‍♀️

Let’s be super clear: this is not what happened. Loki did not betray Odin; he was betrayed by Odin. He did not open Asgard to its enemies; he attempted, misguidedly, to destroy Asgard’s enemies. And he most certainly did not commit suicide out of a sense of guilt.

I’m not saying Loki did nothing wrong, nor am I saying he feels no regret for the lives he has taken. What I’m saying is there’s no indication that he believes he betrayed Odin or Asgard in the process. Which makes perfect sense, because he didn’t. Everything he tried to do was for Odin and Asgard. It was misguided and horrible, yes, but it can hardly be classified as a betrayal.

The insurmountable burden on Loki is not that he did terrible things, but that no matter what he does or how hard he tries, Odin will never look at him with anything but contempt. Consider once more these passages from the very beginning of the book, at Thor’s coronation:

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Consider that this book goes to great pains to point out that Odin favours Thor because Thor is a warrior like him. And yet even when Loki embraces that, even when he acts more war-like than ever before, Odin rejects him— just as he always has.

There is a reason why this moment is the last time Loki will ever call Odin his father. Because he realises once and for all that, no, nothing he tries will ever be good enough; no, Odin won’t ever look at him with pride. That is Loki’s burden. That is why he lets go.

The epilogue is really just two pages of making me want to vomit.

There’s your party where Thor and a certain subset of the fandom insist that Loki was mourned. There’s barely an indication here that anyone even perceives his demise as a negative thing.

“[Sif] could see Frigga thought [Loki was dead] as well” also contradicts the tie-in comic for TDW, so I don’t know what the author is on about there. Unlike the majority of Marvel comics, the tie-in comics are canon to the MCU, so it’s a bizarre statement to make.

COULD YOU SMEAR THE DEAD* ABUSE VICTIM A LITTLE HARDER, PLEASE? Fucking hell.

No matter how many times I encounter this scene, in whatever format, I still fail to become desensitized to how disgusting it is. I realise there’s a good chance that whatever version of events Thor has been told was twisted at best; but how you can look at a man whose son has just committed suicide under any circumstances and say there will never be a better father than that guy, is utterly beyond my capacity to understand.

And Odin’s “you’ve already made me proud” line just feels like extra salt in the wound because, again, Loki let go because he realized Odin would never say those words to him. And yet they come so damn easily when it’s Thor.

Fuck this entire family so much. I think I hate them more than Loki does. Sometimes I wonder what he would think about that. How he would react to knowing that not only is he actually loved, but that he’s so loved that people are genuinely furious at the way he’s been mistreated. That there are people who regularly devolve into full-on rants because they just can’t contain how much anger they have towards the people who hurt him. I think he’d have a hard time wrapping his head around that concept, tbh.

Anyways, to end on a not-completely-depressing note, I’m still waiting for someone at Marvel to explain how Loki knew what Thor said in this scene after plummeting into a wormhole. ‘Cause he references this conversation as Fauxdin at the end of TDW. So like… ?? Did he steal Odin’s memories before he erased them? Because that would be… kind of neat, actually. And very clever. Not entirely ethical, of course, but it’s Odin, so fuck ethics.

WELP, THAT’S IT. Thanks for following along with my dumbassery, hope you enjoyed yourselves. Lol

#phase one: thor #loki meta #thor meta #odin's a+ parenting #frigga's b+ parenting #topic: thor and loki's broken relationship #loki #thor #heimdall #lady sif #the warriors 3 #jane foster #ragnarok cinematic universe #mcu #topic: asgardian hypocrisy #topic: asgardian militarism #topic: odin's family dynamic

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the-eternal-maiden616 · 3 years

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Look I absolutely understand why alot of people including myself have been angry and grossed out with what happened in the Loki finale. That kiss made alot of us very uncomfortable and we have all talked about on Twitter and on this platform that particular scene had an incestuous feel to it and or was very werid and wrong and I get you all. I don't like Sylki and many of yous don't like it either and that's Okay.

What isn't okay is for people who say are fans of Loki to than start attacking Tom and the cast for something they had no control over. I have heard that people have been threatened Tom Hiddleston and Sophia del Martino in particular on social Media and have even exposed Tom's address. I cannot confirm if that is true sinse I only heard of this on other people's tumblr tweets but no matter how much you didn't like that particular moment in the finale of Loki that doesn't give you the right to start attacking and threatening Tom and the cast because of how the director and producers wrote the show out to be. Tom has done absolutely nothing wrong and he deserves so much love and respect for everything he has done for Marvel and to the world and Marvel Studioshas definitely screwed up his character especially when Kevin Feige allowed the Russi Brothers to kill Loki off in i Infinity War and just imagine what Tom must've gone through when his character who he really cared about and brought more depth to him was than killed off for a third time, it was not fair what Tom had to go through. He is a one of a kind actor, he is talented, and such a caring human being and humanitarian who I know has gone to third world countries and have help support people in need.

Yes he is a producer in a show that he is the main star of but he didn't have the final say in what should happen in the show, the director did and although she and the other producers involved caused all of this chaos to happen I want to believe that what the director was trying to say that even though Loki was for a while in love with Sylvie once she kissed him and than betrayed him, he knew at that point he couldn't love her like that and what she was telling him from her kissing him was that "I know how much you care for me and you want me to feel the same feelings for yoy, the thing is i am not you and i could never see you in that way" the kiss was one sided. For Loki at that moment it may have felt like his feelings were being validated but as soon as she said what she needed to say and threw him into the time door and back to the TVA and knowing that Sylvie has killed He who remains and has brought the multiverse into existence and losing his only friend Mobius who has either lost his memories or is a different version of Mobius, Loki quickly realised that she will never love him in the same way he did and that for her it was entirely platonic and he has been left alone with none he can trust and he feels horrible for allowing himself for falling for Sylvie in the first place and her becoming a weakness to himself. That is what i want to believe that the director tried to do but just didn't do it in the right way. She didn't had to make the actors kiss by the way.

Anyway do not go after Tom and any of the talented actors and actresses who were in this show. They are not at fault and do not deserve this hate otherwise I will hunt you down and I will make you wish you were never born. Actually think about if you were in their position and everyone is bullying and threatening you for something you had no control over and you are apparently Loki fans or Tom Hiddleston fans. Shame on everyone who has done this. And if you have not done this and think what these people are doing are wrong than speak out about this cause it is just wrong.

#Stop the hate #Tom Hiddleston #Loki #words of advice #loki series #Don't be a bully

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tobiasdrake · 1 year

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By episode 5, we've gone so far down the temporal rabbit hole that the story isn't even really about the multiverse or time policing or what have you anymore. It's about writing. Not about who Loki is as a person, but about who Loki is as a character in Marvel's scripts.

His new Loki friends put it best: It isn't that Loki can't change. It's that Loki is not allowed to change. Want to grow and become a better person? Sorry, can't do that; The story won't let you. It's not his place. His place is to be a backstabbing supervillain who finally comes to have a healthy relationship with Thor just in time to be murdered by Thanos.

This is exactly what Mobius tried to explain to him back in episode 1, where they literally sat down to discuss his movies. This is his lot in life. He is not a dynamic human being; He is a character and he must play his role.

Which would all hit so much harder if Loki's main point of contention wasn't, "But I want to fall in love with the pretty girl." Like, at this point, Sylvie's pretty much the sole protagonist. Loki's only goal at this point is to just be near Sylvie and do whatever she does because he's in love. That's pretty weak as a main character motivation. But I digress.

The idea of challenging Loki's place in the script has its roots in some genuinely fantastic Loki comics; Loki even rebranded himself God of Stories at one point. And at the end of the day, that's the goal: To break the narrative shackles and set the multiverse free. To create a setting where it's fine, you can be an alligator or a mom or Tobey Maguire and nobody decanonizes your continuity for it.

This isn't even necessarily about Loki. I mean it is. Everything's about Loki. Because Loki's that kind of character. But moreover, it's about loosening the restraints of what can be considered an official Marvel Cinematic Universe property.

The FOX-Men? Canon. Sony Spider-Men? Canon. Venomverse? Canon. That fanfic you wrote where Loki and Captain America kiss? Well, I guess that's canon now, bucko! Screw the Continuity Cops; The God of Stories is here to make it all canon!

And all he needs to do to make that happen is reach a place that's beyond time and space so he can punch Fantasy Kevin Feige in the dick.

#marvel #marvel cinematic universe #loki series #loki odinson

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9worldstales · 3 years

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In reply to this post @woodelf68 said:

The jr. novel having Thor say that Loki stole the throne twice is ridiculous. He was lawfully given the throne when Odin was Sleeping and Thor banished, as he was next in line of the succession. And he offered the throne to Thor in TDW and Thor refused it! What was he going to do, abandon Asgard? Loki was the one who stepped up and took on the burden of rule, and yet got none of the credit. And Thor was the ‘savage, chaotic, lawless’ one when he stormed Jotunheim, breaking the peace treaty and gleefully slaughtering Frost Giants. The only time that description fit Loki was after he’d been tortured and was under the influence of the Mind Stone.

My apologies if I reply to you in a separate post but this got too long for the comments...

I’ll try to keep this as impartial and objective as I can, please, everyone, forgive me if I fail.

For start, oh yes, you’re absolutely right, as I said the whole bit of the junior novel contains canon mistakes in regard to both Thor and Loki.

Going in order:

Thor never demanded the throne, the throne was ALWAYS meant to be given to him by Odin, nor he refused it when Asgard needed him the most. He refused it when Asgard just won the war against the Dark Elves and, after Thor refused it, Asgard went through 4 years of peace. Things got worse only because Hela came back after 4 years, something no one had an idea would happen except Odin.

As for Loki yeah, the first time in “Thor” he ABSOLUTELY didn’t steal the throne. He was also a heir to it and with Thor banished for something Thor did (I’ve a long meta digging into how it was Thor who caused his own banishment if someone is in doubt about it) he was the next in line and rightful heir to it. There was ABSOLUTELY no stealing of the throne in a cut scene we see Frigga herself telling so to a surprised Loki.

Loki: What hope is there for Thor? Frigga: There's always a purpose to everything your father does. Thor may yet find a way home. Loki looks troubled by the revelation. He rises, heads for the exit, when they hear the clatter of ARMORED FOOTSTEPS hurriedly approaching. THE EINHERJAR GUARD Enter the room, block his way out. Loki tenses, prepared for the worst, but the guards just stand before them. Loki is baffled. Frigga: (cont’d) Thor is banished. The line of succession falls to you. Until he awakens, Asgard is yours.

And it’s worth to mention Thor accepted Loki as the one inheriting the throne. When Loki tells him the burden of the throne has fallen on him, Thor doesn’t say ‘no, nope, the throne is mine’. He just asks if, since his brother is now in charge HE CAN COME HOME. He doesn’t ask for the throne he just wants to come home. And when Loki tells him nope, Thor doesn’t accuse him of stealing the throne either, he accepts it.

It’s also worth to remember Loki had no idea they would pass the throne to him when Odin fell into Odinsleep. As it apparently happened before, likely Frigga took regency in those moments and Loki had no idea Odin would fall into Odinsleep back then anyway. There was no plotting whatsoever for Loki to take the throne. The movie and the side-material make clear Loki never expected the throne to pass to him, when he let the Frost Giants in Asgard, he merely aimed to stall the coronation for a bit longer.

“Thor: The Dark World” is actually a bit more controversial. Loki has been sentenced by Odin to lifelong imprisonment. This implies he has lost the rights to the throne so he’s no more a legitimate heir to it (in the comic “Thor: The Dark World Prelude” n° 2 written by Yost (scriptwriter for “Thor: The Dark World Prelude” and Kyle) which was likely written prior to Joss Whedon writing the scene for the meeting between Loki and Odin in “Thor: The Dark World” whcih was later added into the movie, Odin even rejects him as a son, telling him the boy he knew is dead and what remains is a creature he doesn’t recognize and calls him ‘Loki Laufeyson’).

The moment Loki takes Odin’s place, he technically steals the throne.

Yes, he offers it to Thor, which implies he didn’t plan to keep it, but it wasn’t his to offer in the first place and although Odin always meant to make Thor the next king (and in the first ending of the movie it’s implied that’s what he would do as soon as Thor was back in good shape) he had no idea if he meant to make him the next king right then.

What’s more he doesn’t return it to Odin when Thor refuses it. So, since Loki wasn’t anymore a legitimate heir and the throne wasn’t his to take yes, in this case he stole it from Odin, not from Thor because Thor refused it.

Now yeah, I know Feige left open the possibility that Thor refused due to what Loki said to him in the guise of Odin…

Feige: That last scene needed to work for people watching the movie for the first time, who believed that it’s Odin talking to Thor, and then the surprise, but it also needs to work a second and third time. Why is Odin saying those things? Why is Loki saying those things to Thor? They’re very nice things, they’re very caring things, that he says to him. Is it partly because he loves his brother? I like to think so. Is it also because that’s what his brother needs… to leave? Perhaps. [“Kevin Feige: It was always the plan to have Loki have a redemptive death. It was always planned that he wouldn’t really be gone.”]

But this is the first exchange Thor and ‘Odin’ had in the movie after Thor returns:

Odin: You once said there would never be a wiser king than me. You were wrong. The Alignment has brought all the realms together. Every one of them saw you offer your life to save them. What can Asgard offer its new king in return? Thor: My life. Father, I cannot be king of Asgard. I will protect Asgard and all the realms with my last and every breath, but I cannot do so from that chair. Loki, for all his grave imbalance, understood rule as I know I never will. The brutality, the sacrifice... It changes you. I'd rather be a good man than a great king. Odin: Is this my son I hear, or the woman he loves? Thor: When you speak, do I never hear Mother's voice'? This is not for Jane, Father. She does not know what I came here to say. Now, forbid me to see her, or say she can rule at my side. It changes nothing.

Thor went there specifically to tell his father he didn’t want to be king and that he wouldn’t change his mind not even if Odin were to forbid him to see Jane or allow him to marry her.

So no, Loki’s words weren’t what Thor needed to leave, Thor didn’t need to be persuaded to leave. So maybe Feige should re-read the script before talking.

So yeah, Thor refused it on his own. Loki didn’t manipulate him into doing it.

(The script of this part is messed up though, because it starts with a reference to what Thor said to Odin at the end of “Thor”… and Loki back then wasn’t around to hear it so really, Feige isn’t the only one who should re-read their script but whatever, this was a bit they rushed to put together when they decided to toss away the original ending of the movie for this new one.)

But there’s more that’s wrong with that bit.

Thor says: “My point is that our self-centered conflict over Asgard has ruined our kingdom. We have been so focused on fighting for the top we’ve forgotten there’s a middle and a bottom.”

There was no self-centered conflict over Asgard that has ruined the kingdom. The kingdom wasn’t ruined, it was perfectly fine until Hela attacked and Hela’s attack is due to Odin and how he raised her and handled her when he couldn’t control her any longer, not due to Loki and Thor.

Also the real problem wasn’t a ‘self-centered conflict for the top’… more like Odin’s screwed up parenting.

So yeah, if the Junior novel is based on the old script there’s a lot of questionable material and not just in this scene. But let’s talk a bit about Eric Pearson, the guy who wrote the script.

As I said in another post about how people came to think Loki is a serial betrayal this guy never worked on a script with Thor and Loki previously and the most he did was to be involved in the “Marvel’s The Avengers Prelude: Fury’s Big Week” in which Thor and Loki have some cameo appearances.

To continue that’s what he says about working on the script:

Fun sells, especially in the Marvel Comic Universe. Did you have a hard time balancing how hilarious the film had to be with the high stakes it has going on? Pearson: I did, yeah. It was tricky. First of all, it took a couple of interactions with Taika before we got on the same page. He’s such a different guy with a different sense of humor [he says fondly]. After I pitched the scene that happens first in the movie I got a sense of his sense of humor and going forward that was really helpful. The first draft was really about nailing the structure and the character arcs, and having our skeleton. That was when I started working more closely with Taika to get his little comedic flourishes in there. Plus, on the day during shooting, he’s bound to do anything. Suddenly there will be a weird prop in the scene and you have to be like “Ok, there it is! We’re gonna move right along!” He knew what he was doing from the beginning. He was going to rob the bank and get away with a ton of comedy, so I was just trying to keep the story together for the most part. And keep the characters honest and true to the world and their respective journeys. [“A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson”]

The Junior novel has basically no humour. I would say the script used is, if not the very first one, something like the second… which is also hinted by how there’s no mention of Hela being Odin’s daughter.

Let’s talk about Hela. There’s been a certain spoiler going around about her lineage, and we’d love to hear how that came about. Pearson: The decision to make Hela Odin's banished daughter came really late into writing my first draft. We had discussed her backstory as someone from Asgard's past, the Goddess of Death being a weapon of war that Odin used to conquer the Nine Realms and build his empire, but as I was writing and getting closer to the end, knowing that a Thor-Hela face-off was imminent, I felt like we needed more. More connection between the two, more depth to their ideological conflict. And it was one of those late nights, probably 11 pm working at Marvel, and I expressed this concern to Brad Winderbaum (producer). I basically told him that I'd been thinking about it, and I thought that making Hela Thor's sister made the most sense for the story and had the most impact to a shared history. He agreed and told me, "Don't pitch it to anyone because it'll be more likely to get shot down. Just write it into the script and let everyone discover the connection the same way that Thor will." Ultimately it was the right move because, after I wrote the ending and retconned the earlier scenes to reflect the family relation, everybody who read it was surprised, and pleasantly so. [“A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson”]

And this guy clearly has no idea what the relationship between Thor and Loki was previously and not only because he needed Chris Hemsworth to point out he wasn’t handing them correctly (how Hemsworth’s input helped or worsened the matter is up to debate)…

Pearson: For introductions, working on Thor’s voice was really great just because Hemsworth is great with the script. He actually pulled me aside one morning to talk to me about the Thor and Loki scenes. He pointed out, correctly so, that what I had was retreading a bit of what had already happened in Thor, Thor: The Dark World and The Avengers. We needed to have their relationship exhibit the amount of awareness that it should have after the audience spent so much time with them on screen. So, the Thor and Loki stuff is also some of my favorite. [“A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson”]

But that’s how, after Hemsworth’s tips, he describes Loki and Thor’s situation:

As the villains in the cinematic universe go, Loki is far and away considered the best by fans. Now you’ve got to bring forward his humor a little more with Hela acting as the main antagonist. What was it like reconciling all the history that Thor and Loki have while there’s another big bad threatening their world? Pearson: We find Loki in a different headspace at the beginning of the movie. Since Thor: The Dark World he’s been ruling Asgard as Odin as he’s always wanted. He’s on sort of a villainous vacation while in a role that plays to his narcissism. So, he’s mostly off his world conquering villain agenda already at the beginning of the film. Plus, Thor and Loki have had so many interactions, and alliances, and betrayals. They’ve been each others’ nemeses for so long that even they’re a little exhausted by themselves. It’s almost like the fatigue of dealing with each other allows this terminator like force of Hela to just walk in. They’re divided so she conquers. [“A Talk With THOR: RAGNAROK’s Eric Pearson”]

Thor and Loki has been each others’ nemeses for so long?

They started having an argument in “Thor” that’s placed in 2011 and that lasted basically 1 day before Loki fell into the void. They saw each other again the following year in “The Avengers” and argued for what? 2 days? Then Loki gets jailed for a year and in “Thor: The Dark World” they’re on the same page, allied against Malekith! Thor believes Loki dead and discover he’s not in 2017, when “Thor: Ragnarok” takes place!

(Now, whoever is about to say they actually have a story of Loki trying to kill Thor and tries to mention this scene to me:

Valkyrie: He did try to kill me. Thor: Yes, me too. On many, many occasions. There was one time when we were children, he transformed himself into a snake, and he knows that I love snakes. So, I went to pick up the snake to admire it and he transformed back into himself and he was like, "Yeah, it's me!" And he stabbed me. We were eight at the time.

...can either accept the short explanation that this scene is a retcon of Thor and Loki's relation or read the long explanation with all the official sources that explains how this is a retcon as prior to “Thor: Ragnarok” the canon was that Thor and Loki were loving brothers until “Thor” happened. That movie is meant to be the start of their fighting, for crying out loud.)

They have a total of 3 days of actively being on each others’ throats. This exhausted them? Even if we consider the full year in which Thor was aware Loki was alive and jailed, we’re talking of people that lives for centuries and a jailed Loki can’t really be considered at Thor’s throat.

So no, if “Thor: Ragnarok” had followed the original script, it wouldn’t have been canon compliant all the same… but Marvel wasn’t interested in protecting canon from the get-go and let Waititi free to create ‘his own thing’…

Waititi: I was lucky enough they didn’t force me to acknowledge things- there were certain things in the film, like the play, which makes fun of the scene in The Dark World where Loki dies, but there’s a point to that play, sort of to recap what happened, but also to tell the audience, “This is not what you think it’s going to be, this film is not going to be a continuation of that. It’s its own thing, and what you think you expect from this film ends at this play. [“Empire Podcast Spoiler Special: Thor: Ragnarok with Taika Waititi”]

…so really, I doubt the pressured Pearson into keeping the old scripts into consideration when writing his own.

As for Thor… the guy in the first part of “Thor” was presented as someone who absolutely loved fighting for the sake of fighting, which, I think, would have made him thrilled to fight in Sakaar, hadn’t it been for the fact they wouldn’t have paid him proper respect.

However, credits when it’s due, the second part of “Thor” is all about him abandoning this mindset. There were cut scenes in Thor which even showed how Thor refused to start a fight over being called ‘princess’ by an earthling just to show he had grown up and wasn’t anymore someone who would jump at the first chance to have a fight. “Thor: The Dark World” is also about him trying to avoid involving Asgard in a fight. So in theory Thor has stopped being someone chaotic and savage by… 6 years.

(I’m trying to preted “Thor: Ragnarok - A New Story” which is a tale included in the Junior Novel at the hands of Steve Behling and that, among other things, depicted Thor as a warmongrel again, is not part of the canon.)

On the opposite side Loki has never been savage or chaotic, he’s elegant, well organized, plans forward and, unless he’s in a deep emotional storm, remains calm and controlled.

I would argue also he’s not lawless either as, although he has broken some laws, he doesn’t wish for a world with no rules. Even when in charge of Asgard he didn’t let it turn into nobody’s land but still organized and ruled it. So really, that improvisation was mostly out of nowhere.

“Thor: Ragnarok” merely decided to retcon Loki and Marvel allowed it because they wanted to kill him in “Avengers: Infinity war” without fans to make the same fuss they did in “Thor: The Dark World” that forced them to change the ending.

Not that they succeeded as fans rejected the “Avengers: Infinity war” death too, but whatever, that’s Marvel for you.

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