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ipso-faculty · 8 months

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Perisex allies: stop this shit

CW: intersexism

Came across this infographic during some google image searching and I'm still kind of a state of despair about it because it's not just offensively wrong about what intersex is, it was used to teach university students about queer issues:

Alt text: LGBTQIA+ are defined one by one. Intersex is defined erroneously as "These are people who were born with genital organs of both sexes (male and female). It is a genetic condition."

It's one thing for your rando perisex person to be getting this wrong on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's professionals getting this wrong in an educational setting. 😩 And that this infographic appears in a peer-reviewed publication. 😩

It's even worse to know the students that were taught with this infographic were medical students, who will be the ones traumatizing intersex people for decades to come 😩

It's so wrong in so many different ways:

Intersex is not limited to people with genital differences. Most intersex people have intersex variations that are not apparent at birth, with puberty being the most common time of life for variations to present. Many people find out in adulthood having no outward physical differences.

Of the intersex people with genital differences, they do not have two sets of genitals. Most genital differences are still recognizably female or male (e.g. spadias), and those who have ambiguous genitals have one set.

Intersex is not "male parts + female parts" or even "intermediate male/female parts", it is an umbrella term for anybody whose primary/secondary sex characteristics don't line up with what is expected for male and female bodies. Some intersex variations make women look more feminine, or make men look more masculine.

Defining intersex by genital differences doesn't just exclude most intersex people, it also sets the tone that we are defined by our genitals. To be publicly intersex is to have non-stop DMs about your genitals. This sort of framing sets up openly intersex people for invasive questions and harassment, and it keeps large numbers of intersex people from coming out.

Many intersex variations do not have a known genetic basis. Many intersex variations are caused by exposure to certain hormonal levels in the womb. Certain medications when taken during pregnancy can trigger intersex variations.

While bodily variation is necessary for being intersex, the social experience of stigma, discrimination, isolation, hyper-medicalization, and hyper-sexualization are all just as much a part of being intersex.

📣 Perisex allies: this is shit you can stop. When you see other perisex people parrot this sort of misinformation, correct them. Direct them to look up resources written by actually intersex people.

Here are some starter resources to give:

Intersex explained by Hans Lindahl

Media and style guide by IHRA

FAQ by intersex-support

A recent post I did compiling information for trans people who want to be better intersex allies

#intersex #text #intersexism #queer #lgbt #lgbtia #lgbt education #perisex allies #psa #actuallyintersex #actually intersex

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estrogenism · 2 months

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very very funny how intersex transfems are by far the most vocal haters of tme/tma as binary terms because of the way that perisex people use them to discredit intersex trans people's complex experiences. but sure it's just those horrible afab trans people again!!

[Plaintext: very very funny how intersex transfems are by far the most vocal haters of tme/tma as binary terms because of the way that perisex people use them to discredit intersex trans people's complex experiences. but sure it's just those horrible afab trans people again!! End Plaintext.]

(also do not fucking try to witch hunt these people. i will block you on sight, i cropped out the urls for a reason)

edit: reminder that this post was made first and foremost about intersexism, and while it's okay to discuss other forms of oppression in the tags and reblogs (especially since i tagged them as such), please stop trying to brush off the original point.

#these fucking people are gonna start saying 'theyfab' again in 5.... 4.... 3....#i don't even entirely hate those terms i just don't think they're useful in a binary framework #and i also hate how perisex people use them to discredit intersex people #tme/tma #intersexism #intersexism cw #transmisia #transmisia cw #anti transmasculinity cw #anti transmasculinity #intermisia #interphobia

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scrawnytreedemon · 9 months

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some picked-mins i doodled, alone in a server vc :}

#pikmin #scrawny draws #fan art #red pikmin #yellow pikmin #blue pikmin #purple pikmin #white pikmin #rock pikmin #pink pikmin #ice pikmin #ghost pikmin #plant ant yuri !#obviously the pikmin are genderless and assigning any such sentiments is very silly #but as pikmin take heavy inspiration from ants and all worker ants are (mostly sterile) females i think the goofery lands <3 #side tangent but honestly in an anthropomorphised ant society the thing that would serve them the way gender svers us would be *caste*#different morphs allowing for different biologically-assigned roles #that are honestly WAY more distinct than cis perisex human men and women ??? you best believe it #also potentially niche opinion for a fandom i've been in for two whole weeks #but pikmin colours are giving me caste more than they are subspecies #the pikmin cooperate and the onions fuse with ease they balance each other out (ideally) it's so very smooth #there's your tag tangent ok now enjoy the pikffections on display <333 #and the icecaine.

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theforesteldritch · 3 months

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idk i feel like people who aren't intersex shouldn't have the loudest voices in saying how intersex people can identify. I'm sorry but lived experiences should be taken over what someone decided after looking at you when you were born, every time. And being intersex makes your lived experiences complicated as fuck. It's usually worst coming from perisex people, but even as another intersex person you Do Not Get to decide on how other intersex people identify with themselves based off of their lived experiences.

#saw some rancid discourse #im so tired #i really dont fucking know why people decided to take a cis perisex woman saying shes transfem and make it the fault of intersex people #just say you dont give a shit about us and go #intersex

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psychicmisfortune · 7 months

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hi trans people!!

hi transmascs! hi they/them transmascs! hi he/they transmascs! hi they/he transmascs! hi he/him transmascs! hi she/her transmascs! hi neo/xenogender transmascs! hi genderfluid transmascs! hi intersex transmascs! hi genderqueer transmascs! hi gender non-conforming transmascs! hi agender transmascs! hi any/all pronoun transmascs!

hi transfems! hi they/them transfems! hi she/they transfems! hi they/she transfems! hi she/her transfems! hi he/him transfems! hi neo/xenogender transfems! hi genderfluid transfems! hi intersex transfems! hi genderqueer transfems! hi gender non-conforming transfems! hi agender transfems! hi any/all pronoun transfems!

hi enbies! hi they/them enbies! hi he/they enbies! hi she/they enbies! hi they/he enbies! hi they/she enbies! hi neo/xenogender enbies! hi genderfluid enbies! hi intersex enbies! hi genderqueer enbies! hi gender non-conforming enbies! hi agender enbies! hi any/all pronoun enbies!

you're all very awesome and super cool!! you're doing amazing!! have a wonderful day!!

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verdantmeadows · 1 year

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If 35% of (cis) men have gynecomastia then I think that perhaps it isn't a disorder and maybe just something that naturally occurs, considering that it is completely harmless and its only harm is the distress it gives the men who have it. Yes, developing it can be a sign of a disorder or disease, but changes in breast tissue and size can also be a sign of disorder or disease in cis women.

This is part of why deconstructing the concept of a binary sex is so important to me because, despite it being natural, common, and harmless, cis men with breasts are made to feel insecure and ashamed of their breasts due to the fact they're considered a trait of being "the female sex" and because if you're "the male sex", you aren't supposed to have them.

#book of kells #intersex #<- tagging as this because intersex activism and ideas are directly important to the deconstruction of biological sex #and to the positivity for people with differing sex characteristics even if tjey arent intersex #intersex activism helps perisex people as well #gynecomastia

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fleshdyke · 6 months

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hi everyone im making a survey on being intersex for my psych class. if anyone would like to be sent the survey reply to this post and i'll dm when it's ready

#i need responses from intersex ppl and perisex queer ppl and perisex cishet ppl. the last one will be harder to get responses for but i wil #simply have to try #<- if anyone wants to share it w perisex cishet ppl (particularly those who probably don't know much abt being intersex) feel free to #rambles #save

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sirenium · 4 months

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If you're against perisex people using labels like AFAB transfem and AMAB transmasc, please kindly shut the fuck up. If you're against perisex people using pronoun sets such as shi/hir please kindly shut the fuck up.

I, myself, am intersex. I do not *care* if Sally sees her womanhood through a trans lens while being perisex AFAB. I am an avid believer that enforcing the notion that such labels are 'exclusive' to intersex people is harmful. 'Oh but shi/hir has been used against us!!!' That is not the fault of Billy, who just vibes with the pronoun set.

The sooner we as a community can realize that these 'progressive' boxes aren't much better than the ones made by our oppressors, the better.

#afab transfem #amab transmasc #amab trans man #afab trans woman #TERFs fuck off btw I know you fucks browse afab transfem tags #transmasculine #transfemininity #transfem #transmasc #intersex #perisex #shi/hir

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ipsogender · 10 months

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Mesosex

EDIT 2023-11-23: the term has been revised to:

Mesosex: a person who has an intersex variation, but one which does not conform to perisex (non-intersex) ideas of what intersex is. For example, people who have intersex traits that are considered "mild", or who have variations such as PCOS Hyperandrogenism and Poland Syndrome.

Meso- for middle/in between, to refer to the state of being in between what the intersex community accepts as intersex and what the broader public (mistakenly) thinks intersex is.

More info on why the revision has happened: https://www.tumblr.com/ipso-faculty/734822362966540288?source=share

For archival purposes, this was the original post:

Mesosex: somebody who identifies with intersex people but not as intersex, and also feels perisex does not quite apply to them either. Meso- from Greek mesos (middle), to indicate that one feels in between having the intersex experience and the perisex experience. For example, people with reproductive disorders who feel they have common ground with intersex people but not so much common ground as to feel they are intersex.

There are conditions like PCOS and Poland Syndrome that exist on a spectrum from definitely intersex to perisex-ish, and I hope this term gives people on the perisex-ish side of the spectrum more useful word for themselves than the current language of "intersex-adjacent".

I want to be clear that people with conditions like PCOS and Poland Syndrome are completely entitled to call themselves intersex and that there is broad agreement within the intersex community that anybody with these conditions who feels they are intersex is intersex.

In coining this term I am hoping to validate and connect people who would otherwise call themselves perisex yet not feel it is quite accurate for them.

Mesosex people can have any gender, similar to how intersex people can have any gender.

In designing the flag our goal was to give an impression of something in between the intersex flag and cisperinormative gender colours whilst also including nonbinary people. The salmon background is chosen as a colour that is not quite pink, and the periwinkle ring is chosen for being not quite blue, but still reminiscent of the purple ring of the intersex flag. The white centre, put inside the purple-ish ring, is chosen to reflect how the nonbinary flag has white and purple in its middle.

The term and flag were workshopped with @scifimagpie. I had been thinking for a while that it would be useful to have a term for people who feel in between intersex and perisex, and these recent posts by @queercripintersex on identifying with rather than as not only convinced me there is actually an audience for such a term but also inspired me to get this done! PS. If you are questioning if you are intersex, check out this post by @intersex-support with a big list of intersex media, which you can use to get a sense on whether you resonate with intersex experiences. (Also check out their FAQ! And their past posts! They're really great!)

#mesosex #intersex #perisex #mogai #mogai coining #pcos #hyperandrogenism #poland syndrome #infertility #mogai new term #new pride flag #mogai flag #new term #mogai term #intersex adjacent

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estrogenism · 1 month

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i wanna scream at the perisex trans people on my post so badly. like yes you do make good points but you're coming onto my post that was first and foremost about intersexism in trans spaces and framing yourself as having a stronger vantage point to criticize the tme/tma dichotomy than intersex trans ppl.

like it's not that you're wrong, it's that i made that post specifically to vent my frustrations about how perisex trans people looove to ignore the concerns that intersex trans people have about the black and white language they use. and then you came onto my post and basically said 'well as a perisex person, i can confirm that your concerns are valid' as if intersex people need perisex validation in order to discuss or vent about intersexism

#i kinda just wanna turn reblogs off but i'm not going to. i'm just tired of perisex trans ppl man #i know i'm being pretty incoherent here but i don't really know how to word it without implying that they're Wrong #because the thing is that their points aren't wrong!! it's their dismissiveness of the original post's intent that's the problem #just another day of being vocally intersex online i guess #lelei speaks ★#intersexism cw

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magnetothemagnificent · 1 year

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Happy Pride, if you claim that Judaism recognizes six or eight genders, you are not being an ally to Jews or trans people, you are just misinformed at best and maliciously co-opting the historical reality and labels of intersex and infertile people at worst :)

#it's not progressive at all the equate sexes with genders #nobody was medically transitioning in the ancient world those terms are not about and will never be about perisex trans folk #these terms had and still do have heavy implications for intersex and infertile people #defining their roles and obligations #within a culture very focused on reproduction and reproductive roles #intersexism #if jew know jew know #jumblr #lgbt intersexism #six sexes not six genders

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cayde6feetunder · 1 month

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tfw you agree fully with OP but they push the complains about terms like tme/tma as being ~ transmascs complaining they’re being labelled as tme ~ like terms like tme/tma aren’t disgustingly intersexist and while there are some people who do complain because they’re being labeled “tme” (I may not have ever seen this ever but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a possibility it happens) I and many others don’t fuck with it because it’s fucking intersexist and trying to dismiss that as an actual real issue with the terminology is dishonest. Get real.

#caydeposting #my go to response to ‘are you tme or tma’ is ‘are you intersex or perisex’#edit: I myself should add that I am not intersex myself #I am simply reflecting the words of people who actually are intersex #THAT IS TO SAY do not assume malice out of this or make this into something it very much is not.#like. y’all don’t want to listen to intersex people about it.#so I someone who is perisex will repeat their words in simple terms for you.#and also get better while you’re at it maybe. listen directly to intersex people instead of #considering their thoughts on things ‘bad’ and ‘wrong’ unless the exact same thing #comes from the mouth of someone who is perisex.

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voredere · 3 months

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you guys are so fucking ignorant about intersex people that it's insane. you have this view of intersex women fitting neatly into some stereotype of "regular afab with pcos" and you clearly have no fucking clue how AGAB is determined. i do understand the frustration with terms being misappropriated, this happens all the time for mixed poc as well, but when you turn the whole thing into a witch hunt based entirely off of deeply intersexist assumptions on how being intersex can work, you show that you're just as disgusted with us as cis perisex people are. we are nothing but a gotcha to you.

anyway when i defend "afab tma" and "afab transfems" im defending intersex women who had their sex reassigned at birth against their will and still materially live as trans women, i'm defending intersex women whose circumstances you do not understand that materially live as trans women, and im defending intersex women who do not have an assigned sex at birth and chose one based on factors you don't know or understand that materially live as trans women, and i'm defending intersex women who have self identified as "afab" based on their personal perceptions of their body rather than their legally assigned sex that still materially live as trans women.

"if your experience can be neatly described as cafab--" is just so revealing as to how little any of you know about how AGAB is actually assigned for intersex infants. there is no one standard. it comes down to the whims of your parents or doctor and no two people have the exact same experience. there are thousands of ways to be intersex.

you need to stop making assumptions about someone else's body and history and lived experiences based on what YOU imagine "cafab" is supposed to mean, or what it meant for the token intersex person in your friend group. it's not about "oooh we get mistaken for trannies sometimes" it's about materially living the same fucking experiences and circumstances as a trans women, being denied the option of being cis, being materially treated as trans without exception for our entire lives, and pointing out that women with this experience exist. to claim otherwise is as simple as saying you believe intersex women are inherently liars.

#intersex #perisexism #idiotic discourse #defining tme/tma based on agab is defeating the purpose #anyway i'm blocking this rhetoric on sight #if you erase intersex women you don't deserve to be around me

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rebellum · 1 year

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I feel like... Perhaps... Arguing that transphobia is defined by murder and that anything other than murder doesn't even matter... May NOT be conducive to fighting for trans rights.

Like... people want the right to exist as they are. They want to have access to hrt and surgeries and prosthetics. People want access to clothes that fit them and reflect how they want to be seen. People want access to medical care (eg. Getting screened and treated for sex-based forms of cancer can be impossible if you have the "wrong" sex listed to receive those tests). People want to be respected and treated well. People want to not be sexually assaulted and beaten and abused. People want to have access to housing and jobs, and the protection to not lose those things for being trans. People want access to shelters for homeless people or survivors of domestic abuse. People want name changes.

Acting like all of those things don't matter because at least they weren't murderered by an individual (and instead die of suicide or state violence, or survive and suffer) isn't okay.

#'hey people are forcibly detransitioning you and raping and beating you and you lost your job and are going to be homeless and #probably die of infection from being stabbed for trying to go to the bathroom. but at least you arent part of a demographic that has a #higher murder victim rate! shhh just ignore that we dont actually have data on the murder rate of your group.'#do ppl like. forget state based violence exists. and that thats most violence minorities face.#idk man im just. mad about people on here acting like youre only oppressed if youre a perisex trans woman who was AMAB.#cause i exist at the intersection of multiple minorities and being told hey u experience violence but at least you wont be murdered by an #individual feels like a slap in the face.#like it doesnt matter if i have to mask my neurodivergent behaviour bc if people see they could assume im on drugs and call the police and #i could potentially be really hurt but not die but hey at least i wont die just be horrifically traumatized by police brutality!#there are millions of people with mental illnesses similar to my own around the world who are institutionalized and forcibly medicated or #living on the streets or dependant on horrifically abusive caregivers #but hey at least they arent being murdered!#like. the way the transphobia discussion on tumblr rn discusses (and doesnt discuss) race and ability and class and health makes me #feel very invisible.#like if people had to choose who to believe about my experiences between listening to me a black/mixed mentally ill maybe disabled (used to #be disabled) hella nd trans nonbinary person #or listen to a white middle class trans woman's take on my experiences that theyd choose her. its such a weird weird microcosm.#its like a monkeys paw like people are finally listening to trans fems and finally recognising the violence they experience and finally #actually caring about them but for some reason decide that in order to do that its necessary to throw every other minority under the bus #like fuck man have you seen how 'anti transandrophobia truthers' discuss race? its NOT okay #we all matter we all are so similar and are part of the same groups and same communities we need to stick together #stop using trans fems as a battering ram to hurt other minorities challenge #cause like. yes its some trans fems. but its mostly NOT?#like its non trans fems telling other non trans fems that they arent oppressed #and even when many trans fems are like what the fuck dude of course other trans ppl matter whats wrong with you #the group of like 80% non trans fems 20% trans fems are like 'hmm if you are defending other trans people you must not really be trans fem'#like. denying trans fems their identity bc they disagree with them?? dude someone doesnt stop being a trans fem cause they recognise #people other than trans fems matter and exist #its just all so WEIRD its a weird little tumblr microcosm #i wanna stress. for those of you who dont have access to other lgbtq+ communities. how much it seems to be primarily a tumblr thing. to

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purinclover · 8 months

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INTERSEX SELFSHIPPERS I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR F/OS LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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decompose1 · 2 months

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my controversial mlp hc is intersex rarity

#i know everyone wants her 2 b the token cis-perisex lady but listen to me. listen t #meow.txt

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