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zazzander · 1 year

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i saw a joke post of "if hera did the demigod swap on another pair of demigods camp halfblood would send octavian back" and i went "that would not fucking happen" but lacked the knowledge and proper depth to elaborate. your octavian character analysis was incredibly in depth, analyzing every single moment and dissecting his character in a way that shows a clearer grasp of the character and who he is more than the supposed pieces given but never expanded. the fic has shed a new light on a character and explained exactly why i liked him so much in son of neptune.

so therefore i propose a question for you: if hera actually did swap octavian into camp halfblood without any of his memories with another greek demigod into camp jupiter (nico, rachel, etc), what do you think would happen?

apologies for any inconvenience! your take was exactly the thing i was looking for, and im so thankful that ive found others who share the same love of octavian. have a good day/night!

Thank you for the ask! This answer is potentially very simple or very complicated.

To begin with, the issues with Octavian being part of the switch:

Firstly, Hera would never. While she's isn’t openly against Octavian, I get the impression she didn't want him to interfere at all. Possibly because he'd tell her all the ways her interpretation of the prophecy are wrong (lol).

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, Octavian is a legacy and Camp Half-Blood is only for half-bloods (it's in the name!). Octavian would likely struggle to enter the camp to begin with.

So the short answer would be... they'd just be very confused by Octavian and likely treat him as a clear-sighted mortal. They wouldn't kick him out so much as just like... not let him in?

But that's a boring answer.

The More Complicated Answer

In this scenario, the switch would probably be led by Apollo and, yeah, Rachel would be the other side of the switch. With Rachel missing, the Greeks are more likely to see Octavian as her replacement, but it still might be awkward.

Also, Octavian’s “team” would have to be different, primarily because Octavian isn’t a great fighter – Octavian effectively replaces Piper in terms of abilities. So they’d need some muscle for any quests.

When the Greeks realise that Octavian can see the future, they will likely make the connection between him and the missing Rachel. The gift of prophecy is rare. So at the point they realise Octavian can see the future, I don't think they'd drive him out without just cause. After all, prophecies are how quests begin – without their Oracle, Octavian is their only alternative. They are definitely not going to let him go easily!

Like Jason, with his memories gone Octavian wouldn't have the prejudices nor the knowledge of history and legend that Canon!Octavian does. He wouldn’t view the Greeks as his enemies.

At the same time, I don't see Octavian taking the loss of his memories in his stride in the same way Jason does. Octavian is the opposite of chill. So I think a great deal of panicking and yelling ought to be expected.

However, we also know that Octavian has a dream: becoming a hero. This isn’t something seers usually get to be, they just help the heroes on their journey. So I think Octavian could quickly become very motivated to achieve whatever quest Apollo gives him. And a determined Octavian is a forced to be reckoned with!

One thing I can see happening is that the Greeks not being all that keen for their maybe-Oracle-who-is-definitely-a-mortal wanting to go on a dangerous quest. And even without his memories, Octavian would take exception to that. Unlike Jason, Octavian doesn’t care about breaking the rules. I don’t see him waiting around very long once he’s foreseen what he needs to do.

Basically, Octavian would sway his new buddies to come on a technically-sanctioned-quest-because-I’m-the-seer-and-I-say-it-is quest. While the Romans would hate this, I think the Greeks would be more inclined to let it slide.

In summary, while it would take a bit for Octavian to settle in, I think Octavian would be a lot quicker to fully enculturate to Camp Half-Blood. A lot of his personality fits better with the Greek side than the Roman – there’s a less of a demand from the Greeks that everyone be a warrior, for example.

I once joked about how, if Octavian had been switched, he’d never want to go back to the Romans – and that’s kind of true. The Greeks respect prophecies and those who provide them. Whereas the Romans never respect Octavian. They assume that they’re going to be perfectly fine with or without him. I don’t see them looking for him at all. They’d just mark him as a deserter and washing their hands of him.

Octavian really just wants people to like him, honestly. And while he’s definitely prickly on the outside, so are a lot of Greeks (see: Clarisse and Michael Yew). I think they’d respect him, even like him, a lot more than the Romans do.

That all being said, Octavian has a strong sense of loyalty to Rome. His loyalty doesn’t falter even when those he’s loyal to stop caring about him. Even if the Romans hate him, he will try to save them. So it’s not like he’d ignore the peace mission. But also don’t see him getting his memories back changing his opinion of Greek demigods.

If Octavian would be able to actually sway the Romans on his return is the real question. Furthermore, the reunion would then lead to the tricky scenario with Rachel returning to the Greeks, and Octavian being left in the lurch. The Romans probably don’t want him back – but now he’s not useful to the Greeks.

I could see his character arc being about him becoming more than an augur, where he develops his other skills and becomes a strong fighter. And eventually getting his wish of being a hero.

TLDR:

That joke post was half-right, but not for the reasons they were probably thinking. Still, if the hurdle of Octavian being a legacy and not a half-blood were overcome, then I don't see Octavian ever leaving the Greeks' side.

Once again, thanks for the ask and thank you for reading my blogs & stuff!

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algumaideia · 1 year

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Some thoughts about Octavian's overly villification

In HoO Octavian is presented as nothing more than an antagonist, an annoyance the characters need to deal with, overcome to achieve their goals. And this is fine, Octavian is not liked about the main cast and often presents himself as an obstacle for the goal, of course the narration will not frame him well. However, I do have a problem with how this writing made him seen unreasonable all the time and acted like he was only being mean and an antagonist for the sake of it. I have this problem especially when it is Roman characters didn't even thought about the complexity of the situation, as Octavian was overall trying to protect/revenge Camp Jupiter. And this exaggerated villification led to this place where you shouldn't try to look closer to Octavian because he was nothing more than a bad person.

This post is about how what we are told doesn't match what we are shown, specially considering the context of Octavian's actions.

To look closer to this problem within the narrative and how I think this antagonization was exaggerated I chose a scene from House of Hades, when Rachel and Grover go ask Reyna's help., very fitting as it is from Jason's pov.

Let's start with the fact that normally when it is about Octavian, we have him, the bad mean antagonist, at least a good Roman -in this case Reyna- the Greeks, our good guys, and then the rest of the Romans who are just the crowd without personallity. They stay quiet most of the time, but take every chance to turn against Octavian, but are also there to shown how good he is at manipulation (the dining scene in mark of athena is a perfect example).

Now to the scene in question.

One of the first things Jason does is describe how complicated the situation is, but not to the Romans or the possible upcoming war between Greeks and Romans, but mostly in regards of his relationship with Reyna.

"He’d disappeared, leaving her to run the camp on her own. (Okay, that hadn’t exactly been Jason’s idea, but still ...) Then he had returned to Camp Jupiter with his new girlfriend Piper and a whole bunch of Greek friends in a warship. They’d fired on the Forum and run away, leaving Reyna with a war on her hands."

I think this already doesn't set a good look for the Greeks, but there are some context missing in this quick description of events.

What happened was that this Greek kid, remembering that the Greeks are long enemies with the Romans, appeared out of nowhere in the camp right in time to stop a tragedy, attracked the attention of two gods that appeared - extremely rare occurance in cj - which could be either a good or bad sign, then after one week which he spent more time away from the camp he managed to become praetor becuase he stopped the tragedy. After that he convinced the Romans to let the Greeks stay and promised that if anything went wrong he would fight by the Roman's side, but nothing would go wrong. The Greeks fired, this Greek kid didn't fight in the Roman's side and run away with the Greeks.

Why on Earth would the Roman's trust or be kind with the Greeks after all that? I have no idea.

So this is the full context and considering it, the way Octavian greets Rachel and Grover is very understandable and the narration recognizes how messy the situation is right?

"Octavian snorted. ‘That’s the only reason you made it this far alive, Graecus. I hope you’ve come to discuss surrender terms.’ ‘Octavian ...’ Reyna warned. ‘At least search them!’ Octavian protested. ‘No need,’ Reyna said, studying Rachel Dare. ‘Do you bring weapons?’"

Apparently no... it becomes clear by Reyna, our good Roman, that Octavian's actions and feelings are not acceptable. He is obviously presented as the Roman behaving badly, by the Greeks, Reyna and the narratioin.

"Octavian sneered. ‘Another friend of Percy Jackson. That’s all I need to hear.’"

This line is set up to just put us against Octavian, but remember the context, Percy was a key factor to New Roman being fired and Octavian seems to be the only one to care.

‘So far, our guests speak the truth,’ Reyna said.

Look how nice and non threatening the Greeks are being and how Octavian is overreacting.

"Reyna handed him the letter."

Just like how Octavian is more than annoyance in this scene, he is also an authority there. Not above Reyna, but to be respected and whose opinion has weight or should have at least.

"He looked around in outrage, as if waiting for someone to contradict what he was reading. ‘A Greek trick! Greeks are infamous for their tricks!’"

I like how Octavian can't be shocked and everything he does needs to be up to stage, a performance. A Greek sent a letter from Tartarus demanding Reyna to give the Parthenos to end up a war that the Greeks started but Octavian can't have a genuine reaction.

"'Look, we wouldn’t have risked coming here if we didn’t trust Annabeth’s instincts. A Roman leader returning the most important Greek statue to Camp Half-Blood – she knows that could prevent a war.’ ‘This isn’t a trick,’ Rachel added. ‘We’re not lying. Ask your dogs.’ The metallic greyhounds didn’t react. Reyna stroked Aurum’s head thoughtfully. ‘The Athena Parthenos ... so the legend is true'"

First of all, we know Grover and Rachel aren't lying, they truly believe the letter is from Annabeth, but what proves it is? Just because someone believes in something this doesn't make it true.

Also how returning the Athena Parthenos would prevent the war if the war started because the Greeks fired New Rome?

When Octavian mentions a trick, it is not only about the Trojan war, it is also about Percy, Annabeth, Piper.

"‘Reyna!’ Octavian cried. ‘You can’t seriously be considering this! Even if the statue still exists, you see what they’re doing. We’re on the verge of attacking them – destroying the stupid Greeks once and for all – and they concoct this stupid errand to divert your attention. They want to send you to your death!’ The other Romans muttered, glaring at their visitors. Jason remembered how persuasive Octavian could be, and he was winning the officers to his side."

Is Octavian wrong though? Again, Greece and Italy are forbidden for Romans and extremely dangerous places for demigods. They are really about to revenge their city and this message is suspiciously convenient. The praetor of the Romans is asked to go away to a mission that for some nonsensical reason will stop the war right before the Romans are to attack.

And remember what I said before about the other Romans? They are there just for us to know how manipulative Octavian is. He has no real interest in the well being of the Romans or in the situation besides his unreasonable hate for the Greeks. He is just an antagonist for the sake of being one. Why make things so difficult for the Greeks if they are being so nice and honest? (there was sarcasm in this paragraph)

"‘It’s your decision,’ Rachel said, as if nothing had happened. ‘I have no specific prophecy to offer you, but I can see glimpses of the future. I see the Athena Parthenos on Half-Blood Hill. I see her bringing it.’ She pointed at Reyna. ‘Also, Ella has been murmuring lines from your Sibylline Books –’ ‘What?’ Reyna interrupted. ‘The Sibylline Books were destroyed centuries ago.’ ‘I knew it!’ Octavian pounded his fist into his palm. ‘That harpy they brought back from the quest –Ella. I knew she was spouting prophecies! Now I understand. She – she somehow memorized a copy of the Sibylline Books.’ Reyna shook her head in disbelief. ‘How is that possible?’ ‘We don’t know,’ Rachel admitted. ‘But, yes, that seems to be the case. Ella has a perfect memory. She loves books. Somewhere, somehow, she read your Roman book of prophecies. Now she’s the only source for them.’ ‘Your friends lied,’ Octavian said. ‘They told us the harpy was just muttering gibberish. They stole her!'"

There is a lot to unpack here.

First, yes Rachel said she has this glimpses of the future, but she hasn't said what those glimpses mean to the Romans. It will end the war, but how? At what cost? What it will make to the Romans? How it will affect them? We have no idea. As far as we know this glimpses could be confirmations that it was a Greek trick.

Second, why would they trust the Greeks if they were aware of how important the Sybilline Books were for the Romans and then proceed to lie about Ella knowing them and made an effort to take the only source of them out of their hands? At every act is like they are trying hard to not be perceived as trustworthy by the Romans.

Is Octavian exaggerating? Is he just being antagonistic for the sake of it?

Again my problem is not that the characters don't like him or take him as an obstacle but it is how he is not allowed to be anything more and how it poorly reflects on how the situation is being handled.

It is also very curious how Reyna is okay and not mad at all during this scene. Why? Her home was attacked! The person she chose as her partner betrayed her! Her enemy is with an important part of her culture! They are asking her to go away right before an attack!

"'She wants me to bring this statue from the ancient lands to your camp.’ Rachel nodded. ‘Only a Roman can return it and restore peace.'"

But why Reyna specifically? suspicious...

"‘And why would the Romans want peace,’ Reyna asked, ‘after your ship attacked our city?’ ‘You know why,’ Rachel said. ‘To avoid this war. To reconcile the gods’ Greek and Roman sides. We have to work together to defeat Gaia.’ Octavian stepped forward to speak, but Reyna shot him a withering look. ‘According to Percy Jackson,’ Reyna said, ‘the battle with Gaia will be fought in the ancient lands. In Greece.’"

Rachel doesn't provide a good answer. This attack is also about revenge and how would the Romans asking pardon by this gesture would solve a war that again stared with the Greeks firing New Rome? It doesn't make sense.

Interisting that our good Roman Reyna stops Octavian the only person to ask resoanable questions and to defy the illogic of the Greeks to speak. It is almost like she is at the Greeks side not the Romans.

"'Speculation,’ Octavian said. ‘A distraction. The Greeks fear our attack. They’re trying to confuse us. It’s the Trojan Horse all over again!’ Reyna twisted the silver ring she always wore, with the sword and torch symbols of her mother, Bellona. ‘Marcus,’ she said, ‘bring Scipio from the stables.’

'Reyna, no!’ Octavian protested. She faced the Greeks. ‘I will do this for Annabeth, for the hope of peace between our camps, but do not think I have forgotten the insults to Camp Jupiter. Your ship fired on our city. You declared war – not us. Now, leave.’"

This definetly looks like a distraction, half baked answers that don't answer anything.

I also think it is interisting how Octavian is "power hungry" and apparently does anything to have more power, but begs for Reyna to stay and continue to be a leader.

It is almost like he is not tha selfish/s.

If they declared war, why go in this stupid mission? Why Octavian is portrayed as so far away from reason?

"After they had retreated back down the stairs, Octavian wheeled on Reyna. ‘Are you mad?’ ‘I am praetor of the legion,’ Reyna said. ‘I judge this to be in the best interest of Rome.’ ‘To get yourself killed? To break our oldest laws and travel to the ancient lands? How will you even find their ship, assuming you survive the journey?"

All good points and Octavian is clearly worried about Reyna, but the narrative treats as just him being against our good heroes.

"‘This is insanity,’ Octavian muttered. ‘We’re already under attack. We must take the offensive! Those hairy dwarfs have been stealing our supplies, sabotaging our scouting parties – you know the Greeks sent them.’ ‘Perhaps,’ Reyna said"

it is so interisting how Reyna always has good faith and believe in the Greeks when all evidence points out she shouldn't and is portrayed as good because of it. Meanwhile Octavian rightfully distrusts the Greeks and it just this annoying villain trying to prevent the war to end when he is actually defending what were supposed to be Romans' interests.

I don't know how to make conclusions so I'm gonna end my post here. I just hope I was able to make my point clear.

#i hate my titles #octavian #octavian hoo #octavian analysis #tbh i love how unhinged he is in the scene but overall it is just so dumb i cant like it #also lets remember that octavian saw piper charm work so how could he trust jason

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knightofthenewrepublic · 6 months

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Percy would have worked with Octavian, but the Augur never gave him a chance

(or Why Octavian's actions weren’t justified)

As people spend more and more time critically examining the Riordanvese (often to a fault, it must be said) one of the most common revisionist arguments is to try and absolve the mortal villains of the consequences of their action; usually by exaggerating their motivations. That includes the argument that Octavian was so quick to war partially because he was treated poorly by the Greeks. Particularly by Percy Jackson.

But does that actually hold up?

People will argue that Octavian was not evil, because attacking Camp Halfblood was justified from his perspective; he thought they had broken a truce with New Rome and attacked it. And that would be a fair argument, IF that was the only bad thing Octavian had done, or even the worst thing. It wasn’t. And Octavian had begun trying to trigger conflict well before that. Percy, on the other hand, did his best to prevent it.

The first scene where Percy meets Octavian, is also the first time we see his sinister side. And that is of course when he tries to blackmail Hazel into supporting him for Praetor.

Now there is an aspect of the context of this scene that I think a lot of people overlook; their ages. Octavian is 18, or near enough, and Hazel is 13. This is a guy old enough to vote, (the only one of them who isn’t a child soldier) blackmailing a girl too young to get a learner’s permit. Just before this, Percy says Octavian reminds him of someone; which is obviously a reference to Luke Castellan. This type of nearly grooming behavior would have really reinforced that impression; which explains Percy’s hostile reaction to it.

Percy slipped his hand into his pocket, and grabbed his pen. This guy was blackmailing Hazel. That was obvious. One sign from Hazel, and Percy was ready to bust out Riptide and see how Octavian liked being at the end of a blade.

But Percy keeps these urges internal. He doesn’t voice his anger, and doesn’t give any visible reaction. The other two keep talking like he’s not there. This is a pretty good demonstration of Percy’s hard won self control; on his first day at Camp Half-Blood he doused Clarisse with toilet water for less, without even meaning to.

The next interaction he has with Octavian isn’t much better.

“Recruit,” he [Octavian] asked, “do you have any credentials? Letters of reference?” Percy shifted. “Letters? Um, no.” Octavian wrinkled his nose. Unfair! Hazel wanted to shout. Percy had carried a goddess into camp. What better recommendation could you want? But Octavian’s family had been sending kids to camp for over a century. He loved reminding recruits that they were less important than he was. “No letters,” Octavian said regretfully. “Will any legionnaires stand for him?”

Now just asking this question is obviously standard practice, so Octavian isn’t wrong for that. It’s his condescending reaction that is the unsubtle putdown.

But then things come to a head very quickly, when that night’s game of capture the flag ends in a visit from the god Mars, and the command he delivers; a quest to retrieve the legion Eagle, and free Death.

Now what’s really important here is that, while people often think of Leo attacking Camp Jupiter as the point where Octavian turned against the heroes, THIS is the actual point. THIS is where he goes from being a nuisance to being an antagonist.

It starts in the Senate meeting the next day, when Percy tries to make sense of the situation:

“This Giant, the son of Gaea--he’s the one who defeated your forces thirty years ago. I’m sure of it. Now he’s sitting up there in Alaska with a chained death god, and all your old equipment. He's mustering his armies and sending them south to attack this camp.”

Percy is just repeating what Mars literally told them the night before. Octavian’s reasonable reaction to this is:

“Really?” Octavian said. “You seem to know a lot about our enemy’s plans, Percy Jackson.”

Him, and everyone else who was conscious at the end of the war games.

In spite of being almost outright accused of treason, Percy still keeps his cool. This shows a lot of growth on his part, compared to where he was in the second book of the previous series:

This was so completely unfair, I told Tantalus to go chase a donut, which didn’t help his mood.

After a bit more discussion, Octavian makes his move. First he gets in another insult.

“Mars has clearly chosen the least likely candidates for this quest. Perhaps it is because he considers them the most expendable.”

And then he argues that the senate should not give any of the support that would normally be given to a quest. The odds of them succeeding are already so low; better to use their resources to protect the camp.

It’s pretty easy for us, the readers, to overlook what a dick move this really is. Of course WE know that the heroes are going to come back alive; but in universe, there is nothing to guarantee that. Even a small magical trinket could be the difference between life and death. And Octavian is trying to deny them that.

This could be understandable, if there was any sincerity to it. A sad but necessary sacrifice for the greater good, to protect the camp. But after arguing that all their resources have to be saved for the battle, Octavian proceeds to do nothing with them. When the giant’s army arrives, the legion simply marches out and fights them with conventional ranks and swords. Aside from a few roman scorpions (large crossbows), no specialized weapons are brought out, no magical items are used, they didn’t even build a wall or a trench. So there was no real reason not to give them anything; even if he sincerely believed the quest was doomed, that was all the more reason to help. The right magical tool might have at least given them the chance to get back alive. Depriving the questers served no purpose other than to make them fail.

You can also see this, in the fact that all Octavian’s stated reasons don’t actually win over the senate.

The senators’ eyes moved back and forth between Octavian and Reyna, watching the test of wills. Reyna straightened in her chair. “Very well,” she said tightly. We shall put it to a vote.”

No one gives their support to Octavian before this. The senators are waiting to follow the person they see as more powerful, not the argument that was more convincing.

As for motivations, there is only one that Octavian could have; with the election just days away, he wants to prevent a rival for the praetorship.

Is the fulfillment of an epic quest a silly basis for entrusting someone with supreme executive power? Yes, in the real world, it is. But demigods don’t live in the real world; and in their world, everything revolves around quests. Quests drive every important event in the series, and are the ultimate standard by which the skill and power of a demigod are demonstrated. As Annabeth puts it in TLT:

“At camp you train and train. And that’s all cool and everything, but the real world is where the monsters are. That’s where you learn whether you’re any good or not.”

If Percy returns from a land that wiped out half a legion of demigods, with the long lost legion Eagle, the mob that is Rome will raise him up on the fanciest shield they can find. And Octavian isn’t the only one who has put that together. The very next chapter sees Reyna tell Percy that he could stand for praetor if he succeeds; and we are reminded several times that Octavian is far more politically savvy than she is. If she’s put it together, you can bet that he has.

But going back to the senate meeting itself; we see another example of Percy choosing not to start a conflict with Octavian, even when he seems to be trying to get him killed. Instead, he focuses on the important issues:

Frank jumped to his feet. Before he could start a fight, Percy said, “Fine! No problem. but at least give us transportation.”

Percy is more concerned about succeeding in saving the camp than satisfying any grudges. Octavian is more interested in how many insults he can fit into one meeting.

“A boat!” Octavian turned to the senators. “The son of Neptune wants a boat. Sea travel has never been the Roman way, but he isn’t much of a Roman!”

(The insult proves to be quite a hypocritical one in BOO, when Octavian has boats built to surround Camp Half-Blood.)

Octavian’s next attempt to start a conflict with Percy is slightly more subtle.

They were only halfway across the forum when someone called, “Jackson!” Percy turned and saw Octavian jogging toward them. “What do you want ?” Percy asked. Octavian smiled. “Already decided I’m your enemy? That’s a rash choice Percy. I’m a loyal Roman.” Frank snarled. “You backstabbing, slimy–” Both Percy and Hazel had to restrain him.

Why is Octavian talking about being enemies? It doesn’t say Percy asked angrily, or Percy growled, or Percy glared at him. It’s a very dramatic reaction.

And Percy has done nothing to suggest that he wants to be Octavian’s enemy. Sure he has grown to dislike the augur, as most people would with someone who insults them and blackmails children:

Nico put his finger to his lips. Suddenly all the lares went silent. Some looked alarmed, like their mouths had been glued together. Percy wished he had that power over certain living people . . . like Octavian, for instance.

But he’s been keeping those critical thoughts to himself. He even avoided arguing in the senate meeting so as not to escalate things. The worst thing he’s done was knocking Octavian out during capture-the-flag which was both a perfectly fair move and a good strategy. Hardly something to base a feud on.

Most likely, this is a freudian slip on Octavian’s part. He’s already started to see Percy as an enemy, for no other reason than he might be a rival. That, or it’s an attempt at gaslighting Percy into thinking he somehow provoked Octavian into trying to get him killed. In any case, the augur hardly seems unhappy to see him, and the two legionnaires at his side, go off to their deaths.

Octavian smiled wickedly. “The last person she [Reyna] had a private talk with was Jason Grace. And that was the last time I ever saw him. Good luck and goodbye, Percy Jackson.”

If he’s happy to see them go, he’s certainly not happy when they come back alive.

The look on Octavian’s face was priceless. the centurion stared at Percy with shock, then outrage. Then, when his own troops started to cheer, he had no choice except to join the shouting: “Rome! Rome!”

Not the appropriate reaction when Percy is saving the city, not to mention Octavian’s own life. The auger doesn’t have a single kind word to say.

The Roman symbols burned into Percy’s arm: a trident, SPQR, and a single stripe. It felt like someone was pressing a hot iron into his skin, but Percy managed not to scream. Octavian embraced him and whispered, “I hope it hurt.”

Just before this, Octavian kills a teddy bear and reads the future from it, announcing:

good omens for the coming year–Fortuna would bless them!

It has been suggested that Octavian actually had a very different vision at this moment; that he saw the Argo II opening fire on New Rome, and kept that to himself, but turned against Percy and the other Greeks because of that. This doesn’t seem likely. It would serve his purposes better to share that information; and he would have seen that vision in front of hundreds of demigods hardwired to notice small details, none of whom notice him having any visible reaction to it. Besides which, this can’t be the point when he turns on Percy, since he’s already been trying to sabotage him for most of the book.

Now if there is some big conflict between Percy and Octavian, this is the time for Percy to win it decisively. To use his new power and authority to put the auger in his place.

But Percy doesn’t do that.

“Why should we trust these Greeks?” Octavian was saying. He’d been pacing the senate floor for five minutes, going on and on, trying to counter what Percy had told them about Juno’s plan and the Prophecy of Seven.

Rather than simply steamroll over the discussion, and try to use his authority to silence any opposition, Percy allows Octavian a reasonable amount of time to air his concerns, before finally stepping in with his counter argument.

When Percy lays out the details of why they must join the Greeks, Octavian never comes up with a logical counter argument. Instead, when a messenger reports the Argo II has been spotted, he resorts to paranoid rambling.

“Praetors!” The messenger cried. “What are your orders?” Octavian [who is not a praetor] shot to his feet. “You have to ask?” His face was red with rage. He was strangling his teddy bear. “The omens are horrible! This is a trick, a deception. Beware Greeks bearing gifts!” He jabbed a finger at Percy. “His friends are attacking in a warship. He has led them here. We must attack!”

Yesterday when he last read the entrails, Octavian said the omens were good. Now, they’re suddenly horrible. That pretty well justifies Percy’s growing disregard for Octavian’s auguries.

Not only that; he is accusing Percy of treachery, while at the same time suggesting they attack a ship that can be seen bearing a white flag.

And this is before a single shot has been fired on New Rome. That false-flag attack by Gaea can not be the inciting incident for Octavian’s hostility to the Greeks. Not if what he wanted to do before it happened is the same as what he wanted to do after it happened. The attack is just what incentives the rest of the camp to support him.

The last interaction between Percy and Octavian is pretty much the first two chapters of MOA, where Octavian does his best to offend the Greeks.

“You’re letting these intruders into the camp!”

When Reyna orders Octavian to go make a sacrifice to the gods, Percy adds:

“Good idea. Go burn your bears Octavian.”

An insulting way to put it; but no more so than calling the Greek ambassadors (including a Roman praetor and Percy’s own girlfriend) “intruders.” And no more harsh than the insults Octavian has used for legionnaires below himself, like Frank and Hazel. And Percy has been given enough reason not to trust Octavian’s auguries any more than he trusts him.

The last exchange between them is about the praetorship:

Octavian snorted. “Which means we have three praetors! The rules clearly state we can only have two! “On the bright side,” Percy said, “both Jason and I outrank you, Octavian. So we can both tell you to shut up.” Octavian turned as purple as a Roman T-shirt. Jason gave Percy a fist bump.

I can only imagine how long Jason has been waiting for someone to say that to Octavian. It has been suggested this is an abuse of power on Percy’s part, but there is no reason to think so. They are surrounded by the senior officers of the legion, some of whom will be on Octavian's side, and no one raises an objection. And it's not like Octavian actually treats it like an order.

“I’ll step aside for Jason,” Percy said easily. “It’s no biggie.” “No biggie?” Octavian choked. “The praetorship of Rome is no biggie?”

No need to go into detail about how the rest of the series goes. Gaea triggers a war between the Greeks and Romans, and Octavian walks right into it. There is no reason to think he was working for her; but he was plainly looking for an excuse to start hostilities.

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just-late-roman-republic-things · 1 month

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Hey, what's that in the lower right? No, it couldn't be...

After all these years, I've finally found it...

The world's smallest princeps...

#a small but formica-ble opponent!#sometimes you get serious analysis sometimes you get this #octavian #just roman memes #my edits #jlrrt speaks #ant warning

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I think a lot about the fact that despite all Rick's attempts to ridicule and humiliate Octavian for his femininity, he was trained in the wolf house, absolutely not the place where money or connections could help, which Rick often uses to show Octavian's "weakness" or "dishonesty". in addition, Lupa selects not only strong, but also worthy of being legionnaires, so Octavian simply cannot be as bad as Rick is trying to expose him.

#riordanverse #pjo #hoo #octavian hoo #octavian pjo #rrverse #hoo analysis

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lookslikethatsallthetimewehave · 8 days

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Why is he stalking them... *gasp!*

He wants the map!

Well... he wouldn't be the first villain going hard after something that he could just get easily from other explorers.

#uh oh #poptropica #poptropica dr. hare #dr. hare #oliver hartman wong #poptropica oliver #poptropica worlds #24 carrot island #motm #mystery of the map #poptropica graphic novels #poptropica analysis #poptropica octavian #the lost expedition

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pjo-hoo-toa-freakazoid · 2 years

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Could you imagine Octavian meeting his namesake emperor and their interaction??

Man do i have an idea.

I think before their interaction we should discuss about each of them would react to another cuz it’ll help interpret how their interaction would be like.

Remember that scene when Mars, arrived at Camp Jupiter?

Octavian’s reaction was a mixture of admiration/excitement and most importantly fear. He was stumbling, nervous and trying his hardest to impress the god for his own status.

I feel it can be applied here with good old Caesar as well!

Idk anything about Caesar and I don’t really want to study is entire personality 💀

As far as the interaction is concerned I can see Caesar being considerably surprised but at the same time calculative. I think big man Julius would be more interested in how the modern world is like/works than in Octavian. JC would ask questions about the things in the future and our excited yet afraid Octavian would try his hardest to impress his namesake and bluntly tell him everything without thinking twice. Octavian is quite self aware but I think he’d definitely slip at first then later start questioning.

I see this a bit like:

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hai bbgs im just gonna link a bunch of songies 🙏 no pressure to do them all (this ask is gonna be so long sorry dearies)

(^ solace begging me 🙏 to put it)

(i have my own lil thing on this and i wanna see ur thoughts on it 🙏)

(ALSO HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE)

(THIS ONE STARTED AN AU I LOVE TALKING ABOUT I LOVE THIS AU SM)

(i. i also have my own thoughtsies.)

^ or any other tlo song 🙏 also maybe a hadestown song for ur valgrace i think hadestown au

hello!! here is the first one! i will continue to work on the others :3!!

okay!! so i pretty much immediately thought of percy thinking of octavian,. such lyrics as, “i just really hate your face, though i know that won’t surprise you”. there’s this idea throughout HOO (specifically SoN) that Octavian is just horribly annoying to Percy. when they first met, to my knowledge, octavian didn’t do anything right away, percy just found him HORRIBLY annoying lmao 😭😭,.

HOWEVER!! as the song goes on, i begin to think a different character fits this song more.

i have settled on, instead of percy towards octavian, jason towards octavian. “and if the world was perfect, you would be gone without a trace, but since the world could never be that great, i’ll just hate your stupid face” reminds me of jason because jason is someone who tends to settle for things.

allow me to explain.! percy is someone who fought the god of war when he was 12, he doesn’t let people just push him around. he has pretty much always been someone who has put matters into his own hands, which in my opinion, is part of what makes him such a good protagonist.

jason, on the other hand, lets himself get pushed around. he has always been a rule follower, probably since he first met lupa. yes, he did take matters into his own hands in the sense of the legions, but in some cases, jason just kind of lets things happen. when piper broke up with him, i sensed there was this kind of shrug he did regarding it all. yes, i don’t think he loved piper like that. but i do think he loved her, the way a brother loves his sister. he didn’t want to lose her companionship, but, maybe because he felt there was nothing he could do about it, he just let her go. he did his best to protect her even after that, when he thought the prophecy was about her.

coming back the the lyrics, specifically “i’ll just hate your stupid face”. kind of like what i was just talking about, since jason feels he can’t really do anything about octavian’s existence, he kind of just shrugs at the situation. if my memory serves me, when jason met percy and found out about how he kind of out-ruled octavian, he was surprised. maybe because he didn’t think there was ever anything to do about it, and then something did happen.

“i just really miss your face” ok just here me out ok. no i don’t think jason has a crush or anything on octavian. BUT. i do think he missed octavian. octavian is a kind of symbol of how things used to be for jason. they knew each other for at least a good while, probably years, if i’m being honest here though. i think a part of jason misses how things used to be, before he got his memory erased. i know he loves his friends and all, but i think it can be a kind of double edged sword. he wants to go back, maybe take his close friends with him.

“but since the world denied me one last kiss” meaning he never got to say goodbye. not to anyone, but especially not to the place he grew up in. he never got to return home, he never got to be a hero. (meaning in greek myth, the hero always returned home after the journey.) he never got to even say goodbye to his best friend, let alone his home of so many years.

what i’m getting at here is that perhaps he uses octavian as a reminder of his past. maybe of all he has lost. perhaps even all that he misses.

#asks #music analysis #jason grace #percy jackson #octavian hoo #hoo #heroes of olympus #toa #trials of apollo #riordanverse

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sentient-cloud · 2 years

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If you took Octavian to Taco Bell he’d order a medium Baja blast with light ice and then he would choke on it

#mutuals making good characters analysis oh yeah well I’m making THESE kinds of posts #pjo #octavian pjo #hoo octavian

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apollosgiftofprophecy · 6 months

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Favorite Posts

Mainly this is so I can find these posts easily (for future reference) but also wanna make a place for all these great posts :3

this is definitely not complete and I don't think it ever will be haha

Mythology

Apollo is Best Dad by @whatasunchild

Artemis & Ipheginia in Aulis by @specialagentartemis

Mythology is Flexible by @tuurverheydepoetryandprose

Defend Apollo Hours by @whatasunchild

Apollo & Cassandra Fanfic by @odiko-ptino (i need more nuanced Apollo & Cassandra they give me LIFE)

@my-name-is-apollo

Apollo & Admetus I

Apollo & Admetus II (with extras!)

Marsyas

Apollo & Cassandra Analysis II

Apollo & Cassandra Analysis III

@amiti-art

Apollo & Rhoeo

Eumelus

Multiblogs

Apollo & Cassandra Analysis I by @poemsandmyths @theoiaesthetics and @wasspword

Apollo & Hera by @sukizula, @/my-name-is-apollo, @greek-suitehearts, @pjgreeksblog, & more!

ToA

Artemis & Apollo's Relationship in ToA by @worlds-oldest-teenager

TTT Apollo V Commodus Fight Analyzed by @newathens

Demigods POV on the gods V Apollo's by @the-primordial-archivist

Keyseeker's Abundance of Analysis by @flightfoot

Reread PJO/HoO/ToA by @hashtagloveloses

Apollo Headcanons by @ukelele-boy

Copollo Art That Inspired A Fanfic (And My Reaction To It) by @newobsessioneveryweek

Copollo Incorrect Quote by @moodyseal

The Apollo Iceberg by @lubble-underscore

ToA/AtLA Fusion by @colorsunlikeanythingseen

Rachel & Apollo by @hogoflight

@thesungod

"the fall of the sun; the final verse"

Apollo Slay Moments

@aeithalian

The Estelle Theory

Apollo's Fatal Flaw

Middle Child Hermes

@literallyjusttoa

Sunny's Timeline (part 1) (part 2)

Copollo ToApril 2023 Fanart

The Delphic Family (With Some of My Headcanons)

Caged God Art (that i wanna make a fanfic of)

Top 7 Exes From Ancient Greece

Apollo Headcanons

Zeus & Apollo

@fearlessinger

Apollo & Zeus BoO Analyzed

The Halcyon Green Elephant

ToA: What To Know Before Reading

What Apollo's Arc Is Really About

@tsarinatorment

Apollo Kids are Greek AND Roman

Apollo & Octavian

Michael Yew's Fatal Flaw (Ao3)

The Twins & the di Angelos (Ao3)

Michael Yew's Death (Ao3)

Kronos Wins AU (But Also Not)

MultiBlogs

Nico & Apollo by @tsarinatorment & @fearlessinger

Apollo is CHB's Patron by @tsarinatorment, with additions by @stereden (here) & @fearlessinger (here)

Commodus Redemption Arc: How It Could Happen some clowning between @moodyseal and myself :)

#masterpost #the trials of apollo #apollo #artemis #commodus #meg mccaffrey #zeus #hermes #trials of apollo #michael yew

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Was Octavian Working for Gaia?

Evidence (or Lack Thereof) for Octavian's Treachery

From the beginning of the series, Octavian is the one of the few characters who is aware of the threat Gaea poses. One of the reasons why he’s so aggressive towards the Greeks is because he believes they are working for Gaia.

"Octavian thinks you’re a spy. He thinks you were sent here by Gaea to find our weaknesses and distract us. He believes the old legends about the Greeks.” [Son of Neptune]

Now, it’s important to note that the ‘old legends’ have literally nothing to do with Gaea. Why would Octavian have made this connection, especially considering the fact he’s not supposed to know a Greek camp even exists? I would theorise that he received a prophecy that went something like “by Gaia’s hand, a Greek shall attack New Rome”. This would be a solid prediction for what happens with Leo, but Octavian has misinterpreted it by thinking that Percy is the ‘Greek’ or that a group of Greeks are working for the Earth Mother.

It's also possible that Octavian received a ‘false prophecy’ from Gaea. After all, we do get this quote:

That’s when Zeus turned on me. He’d accused me of starting the whole thing, just because Gaea had duped one of my progeny, a boy named Octavian, into plunging the Roman and Greek demigod camps into a civil war that almost destroyed human civilisation. [The Hidden Oracle]

Though I generally believe that the act itself was the deception. Leo being possessed and attacking New Rome is certainly a good way to start a war.

Now let’s get into the evidence against Octavian, things that could potentially prove he was a traitor.

The Approaching Army and the Quest to Alaska

For the quest to go to Alaska, Octavian attempts to keep the team from succeeding. This could be evidence against him, after all, why wouldn’t he want to help them if he was so loyal to Rome?

Personally, I think it’s because he views this as a fool’s quest. It’s similar to the attitude he showed towards the quest Reyna gets in House of Hades. Octavian doesn’t trust a quest that lacks a prophecy!

“Um, Lord Mars, just one tiny thing. A quest requires a prophecy, a mystical poem to guide us!” […] “Well, my lord… usually prophecies are unclear. They’re wrapped in riddles. They rhyme, and…” Mars casually popped another grenade off his belt. “Yes?” “The prophecy is clear!” Octavian announced. “A quest!” [Son of Neptune 149]

(brief aside, I love how Octavian felt the need to explain what a prophecy was just in case Mars didn’t know)

Anyway, we see Octavian questioning Mars’ prophecy – and, indeed, the quest itself. He backs down because he’s threatened but that doesn’t mean he actually agrees. Obviously, Octavian doesn’t want to see his camp overrun, but he also doesn’t trust Mars’ authority to issue this quest.

Recall as well, Octavian’s overreaction to Mars’ presence. He is overly submissive – so unlike Octavian – towards the god. And I have to wonder if that’s because he’s overcompensating. If he had some kind of past encounter with Mars, one that didn’t go well, his fear and false reverence would make sense. And it would explain his disdain for the quest Mars has called.

The theory that Octavian is anything but loyal to Rome is further subverted by this quote here:

“Even the senate doesn’t know the whole truth. I’ve asked Octavian not to share his auguries, or we’d have mass panic. He’s seen a great army marching south, more than we can possibly defeat. They’re led by a giant–” [Son of Neptune 182]

Octavian had given Reyna the opportunity to prepare for the attack. If Octavian was really working for Gaea, you would think he’d have kept that fact a secret. It’s not like this line is necessary – after all, Reyna has been information about Gaea’s moves by Nico di Angelo as well. Reyna could easily have mentioned her conversation with Nico instead, and the narrative purpose would have been served.

Now, for the next couple of books, nothing much happens to have us suspect Octavian’s allegiance. It’s only in Blood of Olympus that our characters start to doubt Octavian’s loyalty to Rome.

Reyna’s Dream

In only eleven days, the giants planned to awaken Gaia. Octavian planned to attack Camp Half-Blood on the same day. That couldn’t be a coincidence. Perhaps Gaia was whispering in Octavian’s ear, influencing his decisions subconsciously. Or worse: Octavian was actively in league with the earth goddess. Reyna didn’t want to believe that even Octavian would knowingly betray the legion, but after what she’d seen in her dreams she couldn’t be sure. [Blood of Olympus 71]

First off, it’s Gaea who sent this dream to Reyna. We know this because Gaea talks to Reyna during the dream. Gaea threats Reyna after showing her a vision of New Rome being destroyed. Interestingly, this ‘revelation’ against Octavian is echoed by a similar dream that Leo has later, when he sees a destroyed Camp Half-Blood and Octavian standing amidst its destruction.

Why would Gaea send these visions to the demigods? Why does she include Octavian? If Octavian was a spy of hers – surely she wouldn’t reveal her hand in this way. Instead, it seems to me that Gaea chooses to show these visions in order to keep Octavian an enemy of the Seven. After all, if Octavian and Reyna resolve their conflict, Gaea is far less likely to win. The war between the Greeks and the Romans what is giving her this opportunity in the first place!

By suspecting Octavian is a traitor, Reyna is playing right into Gaea’s hands.

As for the date, August 1st, this isn’t something Octavian chooses. He attacks the first moment he gets his hands on the onagers. We know this from Artemis:

“Artemis knows a lot about missile weapons. She told us Octavian has ordered some… surprises for Camp Half-Blood. He’s used most of the legion’s treasure to purchase Cyclopes-built onagers.” […] “If Artemis is right, six of these machines will be rolling into Long Island tomorrow night. That’s what Octavian has been waiting for.” [Blood of Olympus]

Octavian has outsourced the job of building his designs to a forge of Cyclopes. We know that the Romans have connected with different types of monsters, and we also know some Cyclopes are ‘friendly’ toward demigods. Octavian commissioning a forge to build weapons is hardly a betrayal. It’s business.

Now, unfortunately for Octavian, Gaea is now controlling that particular forge:

“By Porphyrion’s armies,” said the snake king. “The Acropolis is ringed with great siege weapons – onagers.” “More onagers?” Frank protested. “Did they have a sale on them or something?” “The Cyclopes,” Hazel guessed. “They’re supplying both Octavian and the giants.” Percy grunted. “Like we need more proof that Octavian is on the wrong side.”

Gaea could have delayed the construction of the onagers to the ideal date, August 1st. After all, her forces have the onagers before Octavian does.

There’s another possibility as well: Octavian got the onagers via Nero. After all, we know that Nero paid for the onagers (confirmed in The Hidden Oracle). This adds another degree of separation from Gaea.

Regardless, it’s far more likely that he was simply unaware that those Cyclopes were also doing business with Gaea. They might have even turned to her side fully, instead choosing to supply both sides.

Octavian’s Plans

“But the Earth Mother–” “- has been stirring because of the war between the Greek and Roman camps, yes? The gods are incapacitated, yes? And how do we solve that problem, Mike? We eliminate the division. We wipe out the Greeks.” [Blood of Olympus 65]

Octavian knows Gaea is a threat. And he’s convinced that destroying Camp Half-Blood is going to stop her from rising. Perhaps Gaea has manipulated him into believing this. Perhaps it was Nero. It’s not all that important because, ultimately, Octavian is doing it to take down Gaea – not to aid her.

And we know this from the finale. In this scene, once Gaea wakes and Octavian’s previous plan is foiled, Octavian rushes to attack her. There is no hesitation – no reveal of treachery. Octavian dies trying to kill Gaea. We see his intentions repeated over and over again:

“I will shoot Gaea down with this machine!” […]

“I must act before they get any higher. Only an onager such as this can make the shot. I will singlehandedly–” […]

“Now keep them away while I destroy Gaea!” [Blood of Olympus]

Furthermore, the choice to work with Gaea would go against everything Octavian values. Throughout the books, Octavian throws around the word ‘traitor’, using it as an insult and proof of his own righteousness.

For everything that Octavian is, he is not a turncoat. He values his loyalty to Rome; he’d never willingly help Gaea. And while his actions did allow her to make certain moves, and while he was deceived by her at least once, this doesn’t make him a traitor.

P.S. for anyone who wants to bring up what Apollo says on the Isle of Delos, he says "Gaia must have been clouding my thoughts, whispering in my ear." So, one, that would imply Gaea directly influencing Apollo, not Octavian. And, two, Apollo is definitely pulling this out of his ass, "must have been" - lol - he's deflecting.

#I'm back again with another essay #octavian analysis #I don't like I've covered this before #octavian pjo #octavian hoo #heroes of olympus #camp jupiter #pjo hoo toa

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algumaideia · 1 year

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There is so little content about Faye...

#I want to read and watch analysis #anyway my goal is to make Faye my new Octavian #make tons or analysis and shit posts and one shots

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Why did Octavian kill Gwen?

One of the most persistent if mid-ranking controversies regarding Heroes of Olympus is the fact that Octavian’s motivation for some of his evil deeds is not particularly well fleshed out.

The biggest example would be when his kills the 5th cohort centurion Gwen, in the Son of Neptune. Yes, I’ve read all the essays and critiques, they don’t change the fact that he definitely killed her. It is often complained that he had no clear reason to do it, since it was a big risk and wouldn’t actually gain him anything.

Another seemingly unclear act, was his attempt to blackmail Hazel. At the time she was just a lowly legionnaire from the disgraced 5th. Her one vote wouldn’t be likely to turn the upcoming praetor election, for which Octavian seems to have had no real competition anyway before Percy. It’s not as if she is in any useful position of authority.

But killing one of the 5th’s centurions opens up a position of authority.

Hazel might not have been popular in the legion at this time, but the appointment of centurions doesn’t seem to be by a direct popular election like a praetor. There were service requirements, but we see them get bypassed on special occasions. It’s probably not something Hazel could have gotten on her own at this point, but maybe with an influential “patron” greasing the wheels, it could have been done.

If Hazel had been made centurion, a senate seat would have followed, and now she’s a much more valuable puppet for Octavian to use, far beyond just the praetor election. And in the case of the election, a centurion would only have one vote; but seeing the confidence legionnaires are taught to have in their officers, an endorsement would probably secure many more votes.

#percy jackson #Percy Jackon and the Olympians #pjo #hoo #heroes of olympus #camp jupiter #riordanverse #octavian pjo #octavian hoo #hazel levesque #gwen hoo #analysis #it only took us eleven years to see it.#Some of you owe Rick an apology #You know who you are!#5th cohort

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Alright, since my previous post about Vulpes was so positively perceived, heres a long post going more into detail about how I genuinely believe all members of Caesar’s Legion to be representative of real life romans.

I mean obviously a lot of named legionaries dont have a backstory in-game or are even mentioned outside of you interacting with them, but some of them, like Lucius, Aurelius, Vulpes, Lanius and (obviously) Caesar himself, are very similar to some actual real life people.

Like for example I’m gonna start with Aurelius. Yes there was in fact a roman leader called Aurelius, but Marcus Aurelius has not that many similarities with our in game character. Sure in a way he is helping Caesar rule, but as we can all tell and see Edward doesnt have a triumvirate. However, Aurelius is in a way similar to Octavian Augustus, the way he is put to sort of mirror how Caesar(Edward Sallow) rules, but on a smaller scale. (also, he looks very very similar to Octavian Augustus)

(I will take a moment to apologise because I am very barely educated on Sulla so, if anyone was hoping for an in depth analysis of Lucius, im sorry. However their identical names and even their facial features are similar too)

Lanius too has similarities to roman leaders like Nero and war tactician Hannibal, with his brutal and extremist approach of handling things. He also is similar to Nero since even if he didnt get chosen at random, people still regretted their decision to have him as a leader in one way or another.

And of course, Vulpes. He too was raised and praised by a man named Caesar. Told he was part of his family he doesn’t have, grew up around him and learned everything he knows from him. But the stoicism and sort of indifference he shows after Caesar dies(if you botch the surgery) has lead me to believe that he never fully cared. Yes sure I’m not here to only defend Vulpes’ actions and say he did no wrong. But it is very obvious that Caesar never treated him well, never showed him what he expected out of him. Vulpes has only been given orders to kill and to pillage since he was a child. And hate this man all you would like, people are still people.

In more ways than the way he was brought up is he similar to Brutus, he obviously cannot kill Caesar because killing him would have him exiled, and clearly he cares about the Legion so that would be a bad idea. So he waits and when you finally kill him, you can even see a tonal shift in his speech, the words he uses, he is obviously relieved to some extent. I dont think I’m just stating the obvious right now, so if you didn’t understand what I was getting at, thats fine. But I really do see Brutus in Vulpes, always have, even the way their names sound, even the way they both look, and I’m talking about the Vulpes depiction with white hair, he has a haircut similar to how the romans would wear it.

In conclusion, why do I think Brutus and Vulpes are so very similar? Because they both want to get rid of a man named Caesar and they both don’t want to do it to become leader instead.

#iancu realness #i am struggling to type precieved #anywayyyy heres a very early morning rant #can you tell we went over the roman empire in history class?#i hope someone actually reads this and im not just talking in the void #for once i actually dont want to talk into the void #vulpes inculta #legate lanius #lucius fonv #edward sallow #caesar’s legion #fallout new vegas #brutus complex vulpes

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