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ribbononline · 8 months
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thaliatimsh · 3 months
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hiiii can i get 5, 10, 11, 16, 17, 19, 25 for the fic writer asks :>
HOHOHOOHO thamk you for asking sorry it took me a hot minute to get back on my laptop:
5. What are your fanfic pet peeves? Do they have a huge effect on whether or not you decide to read something?
LOL i love how everyone has asked me this do i come off as so bitter? i sure do lol. anyway another peeve of mine is really naff ~foriegn language~ bits esp. as like. rubbish sexy talk. people making a character go oooh ma petite chou-fleur in the heat of the moment shfgdjshds fuck off
10. What’s your favorite fandom, pairing, or character to read fic for?
this is a tough one! when i go hunting for fics i normally start w my Fave Character Tags (... treavor pendleton, george hodgson ao3 pages saved to my phone bookmarks smhhhh). probably dishonored fic is my fave to read actually? bc people do so much fun stuff with The World :^)
11. How do you come up with your fic titles?
normally they come from a spoken line in the text of the fic! or sometimes a bit of description... or something from the canon. like the working title for a different kind of man was "stained glass". the fics in the takes two to quarrel series were all named for lines in the fics, except for imperfect life which i lifted directly from canon text (and the series was named for a line in imperfect life)
nlwib's name comes from that one line of wallace's in game thats like - "I must prepare the mourning garments. His lordship has never looked well in black.". i often think that if i was gonna do a cleanup re-write i would just call it in black, but i did start posting it nearly eleven years ago and my Style has evolved since then lol
16. Do you research for your fics? If so, how deep of a rabbit hole have you gone down by accident when researching?
HFJSDKFHKS SEE MYSTERY MAN PART 2 in which I accidentally uncovered the history of one of the rl officers of the franklin expedition and have since seen real life Scholars talk abt things that were literally lost to history until i connected a bunch of dots on accident while trying to find out what early 19thc. eton was like. for a fanned fiction. me @ franklin scholars: get on my level wankers lol
17. How obsessively do you sit and stare at your fic after you’ve just posted and wait for feedback?
TOO OBSESSIVELY and it never ends well. i am trying to hold back on this bc. drac your fics are too niche your majesty they'll kill your self-esteem your majesty. never 4 get that the only comment i got on nlwib chapter 15 was "shame it wasnt gay" :/
19. Do you edit your fics after you write them, or do you prefer to just hit post and run (because it’s someone else’s problem now)?
i don't really Edit edit? things come and go as i write, then i'll get a version i like and probably give it a once-over in the ao3 preview to look for typos.
25. Do you listen to music as you write? If possible, link your writing playlist.
i don't really listen to music while i'm writing bc i get too distracted! either by lyrics or A Good Bit in instrumental music lol. but sometimes I'll play a single song on repeat through the entire thing like a deranged animal. i think the last nlwib chapter was written to Paris 1919 by John Cale on repeat for abt 40 hours lmao
this is the questions btw
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quensty · 5 months
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hello all. as u can see ur assassins failed to kill me last night so i'm back to clogging ur dash w a tag game.
i was tagged by @moondal514 (hi bestie <3) to answer 20 questions tailored for fic writers. moondal my love u will regret giving me this opportunity <3
🪿 how many works do you have on ao3?
36! i've been existing in the mid-30-ish range for a good while now. it's starting to piss me off. i post things and then get scared they suck and delete and the cycle repeats.
🪿 what's your total ao3 word count?
153,155 *pops champagne*
🪿 what fandoms do u write for?
am i supposed to list all of them? i'm not doing that 😑🤚 if ur interested ya'll can check out the list here
🪿 what are your top 5 fics by kudos?
men abort mission is definitely my most popular fic (10,856 kudos, it's deeply embarrassing). then it's your crown of thorns holds roses (5,153 kudos, slightly less embarrassing); right hand on his rifle (522 kudos, still embarrassing but at least it's much better writing); kiss me like a snapped guitar string (480 kudos); and love, war, and other exit wounds (468 kudos, which is fucking news to me. i had no idea the kudos had climbed that high)
🪿 do you respond to comments? why or why not?
i do! i like it :D i like ppl to see that i saw their comment and appreciated it. i also do it cos, like, fandom is entirely abt fan-to-fan interaction. fanfic is no different. the point is that i want to engage w other fans and TALK abt stuff. i think it's fun! i've met a lot of friends this way.
🪿 what is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending?
100% would be altschmerz. i don't fix anything in that fic. in fact i probably make everything worse. logan still dies and he never has a proper relationship w laura and the world still sucks. and i sprinkle in some complicated relationships with latinidad while i'm at it. but i love it <3
🪿 what's the fic you wrote with the happiest ending?
this is a difficult thing to judge cos most of my fics have happy or at least hopeful endings, but i think the fic that has the most rewarding happy ending is keep on keeping on, dean winchester. the first couple of chapters are meant to be absolute hell. but i offset that by ending the story with everyone happy and alive and together :)
🪿 do you get hate on fics?
no i am perfect <3
🪿 do you write smut? if so, what kind?
throughout all my time in fandom the answer to this has been no. but then i did this thing where i watched iwtv 2022, and my whole world shifted on its axis. so YES, i do, in fact, now write smut. occasionally. i have no idea how to respond to "what kind." it is gay sex.
🪿 do you write crossovers? what's the craziest one you've written?
ok when i first answered this question i said lifeboat, a sense8 aftg fic in 2 (if u've read it ur eligible for financial compensation), but i change my mind. most unhinged thing i've ever written is 100% between the desire and the spasm, which, i kid you not, is an all the president's men fusion, which, in case u don't know, is a movie abt watergate. WATERGATE.
🪿 have you ever had a fic stolen?
i feel like the answer is yes, but this was in my quotev days, and that site was exactly what republicans imagine anarchists want for society: complete havoc. anyway! my point is that i think i did have a case of someone copying my work almost word for word during that era, but i was 13 and it was like 250 words worth of writing so i was like whatever.
🪿 have you ever had a fic translated?
YES, i'm very happy to say! many very kind people have translated my work. i'll list them below cos they always do a fantastic job and i'm always hoping they get more recognition for their hard work:
@ghostofair wrote a spanish translation of men abort mission!
@sadluna wrote a russian translation of men abort mission!
@bloodymelonteamua wrote a a ukrainian translation of men abort mission!
@kais_room has very kindly written a russian translation of your crown of thorns holds roses!
🪿 have you ever co-written a fic before!
yes! i actually co-wrote right hand on his rifle with my bff liv (@cabeswater). she gave me a lot of ideas while i was crafting it, so it's really just as much hers as it is mine. i'm very happy w it! i would love to write smthn properly w them someday bc they're a phenomenally good writer
🪿 what's your all-time favorite ship?
this is an evil question wtf. i don't know! amara/me.
🪿 what's a wip you want to finish but doubt you ever will?
my sense8 au LMAO. i try so hard every few months to get back into the groove of it but it's a doomed enterprise i think. at this point i would have to rewrite it completely, but i don't have the same passion for it that i once did. sigh
🪿 what are your writing strengths?
i don't know. should i know that? maybe dialogue. i can't say whether i excel at it but i can say with certainty that i enjoy it
🪿 what are your writing weaknesses?
i always get impatient near the end of a long project and end up rushing the ending, which is such a shame cos i'm so talented :(
🪿 thoughts on writing dialogue in another language in fic?
in huge favor of it! i love doing that. i tend to do it when i write characters that speak spanish, and when it's done well by other writers? UGH. it makes me want to eat my phone
🪿 first fandom you wrote for?
pjo on quotev writing reader inserts ✌️ that is not a joke i'm dead serious rn
🪿 favorite fic you've written?
FUCK OFF. the real answer to this question is a fic i deleted. i loved it so much i deleted it off my ao3 so i could rework it into an original piece and turn it in for my fiction class this semester LOL. trust me though this piece was already, like, 90% my own writing and less "based" on the source material rather than it was "inspired" by it. if u compare me to those writers who made their harry styles fanfiction into published novels i will fight u. if i have to pick a fic that's still up, i think i'd pick either keep on keeping on, dean winchester or a ghost is a memory
i'm tagging @keepoffthetardis, @enterprisery, @weather-mood, and anyone else who wants to do this! if any of u actually read thru this whole thing i'm so sorry
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daswarschonkaputt · 2 years
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so im pretty excited abt ur abo kp fic which is new to me bc i normally dont care abt abo? this isnt shade or bullshit btw i hope i just wanted to ask how u conceptualize gender and sex in abo? tags on the notfic r 100% right btw more trans abo. im always put off by most abo for the idea that cis male omegas basically?? have a cloacae for an anus but also a dick? it feels too alien for a non paranormal genre. do u think anatomy ought to be addressed more or left to suspension of disbelief?
right straight off the bat we're putting this one behind a readmore, because i don't want to wig anyone out. a/b/o be weird.
essentially, the way i conceptualise a/b/o and how gender and sex work is:
male/female - usually identifiable at birth, with obviously some grey area in there for intersex people.
alpha/beta/omega - surfaces during puberty, at which point the body changes in whichever way the subgender inclines.
i usually write it that it's not really possible to tell how someone's subgender will present until it does, because i think the inherent tension between "this is how i was treated growing up" vs. "this is how people treat me now" gives the most room for social commentary, and character growth, which is one of my favourite parts of a/b/o. so everyone's body has the base potential to go any subgender way.
relatedly, one of my least favourite tropes in a/b/o is the trope where a character unexpectedly discovers they're an omega and they hate it and take drugs to make themselves a beta, and they wish they were a beta/alpha and as a reader i just have to sit there like, and the logical ending to this story ISN'T that they're trans????
in fact, this trope irritated me so much that i fully outlined and started writing an original fic where the main character gets the whoops! all omega! reveal and instead of hating it and hiding it, feels fulfilled and more comfortable in himself, because it enables him to put into words and be accepted for aspects of his gender identity that have existed his entire life.
ahem. omega biology. back on track.
male omegas are one of those fandom tropes that i just... choose not to look at too closely. science brain well and truly turned off. because of how the kinnporsche mpreg fic is structured (porsche not knowing he's pregnant, and not knowing he could become pregnant) -- we're probably looking at assbabies for that one, though i usually prefer to go the male omegas are intersex (and female alphas are, as well) route, just because it makes most sense to me. but -- this is fanfic. things only make sparing amounts of sense 20% of the time.
truthfully, i think the question of anatomy depends on the fic. i do think there is a level of suspension of disbelief that is needed to read a/b/o, but to me that's true of all sci-fi. a lot of genre studies essays on sci-fi talk about this idea of a novum, a point of divergence that makes the sci-fi story different from our world. it can be a thing, an idea, a hypothetical. for example, in mass effect, the novum is the mass drivers. in star trek it's the warp core. in the martian, it's leaving a man behind on mars. and with sci-fi, you're not meant to question the novum. it's the foundational part of the universe. sci-fi is the question, "what if [x] was different?"
so with a/b/o, the novum is, well, it's the a/b/o dynamics. "what if human reproductive biology was on crack?" the bits i'm interested in are the answers that spiral out from that question -- i'm not really focused all that much on the question itself.
but, like i said, it depends on the fic. if the fic's question is, "so, if we do have these a/b/o dynamics, how does the biology actually work?" then obviously it's a bit more relevant. but i've only seen one or two a/b/o fic that approach the matter like that.
hope that makes sense!
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(Not hate) okay so about that one controversial fic. I’m not gonna say anything bad about but I’m actually just genuinely curious why you decided to write something like that? Considering that there’s way less controversial things to write about, why did you decide to write that?
i think i answered something similar a while ago, but it got lost on my blog bc i am incapable of tagging things properly lol i can never find anything
i am a person that likes to be challenged. i like taking an unusual or controversial concept and exploring it (one of the reasons i invented and did kink!week, where i challenged myself to write abt unusual/odd/misunderstood kinks and tried to make it genuinely hot, even if i personally wasn't necessarily into it). truth is, i got bored with the fanfic community and the type of content that was preferred, and i was honestly bored with it for a while before writing this fic. no hate to fandom writers -- i think there is a place and an audience for everyone, but i craved a different type of content, both to read and to write. i felt like i was expected to throw out fics that are basically all a variation on the same concept, and i felt i'd go nuts if i read one more larissa x teacher!reader self-insert fic. i felt like the content was just used for self-insert gratification and porn with little to no plot or actual character exploration/development. and honestly, nothing wrong with that, but i was hungry for stories with substance, or even slightly more imaginative smut, if we're talking smut (and let's be real this is a very horny fandom lol).
so one morning i was scrolling through the Webbed Site, as one does, and i stumbled upon a larissa x wednesday fic by a person whose username i honestly don't even remember, but they were not a popular or a known creator. and i was like, what the hell, let's see if this is cringe and if it is i can be Outraged with my wife later. and while Some of it was cringe, i felt like there was actual substance to the story and that their dynamic made sense, even if there were bits that i disliked and the grammar was very poor. and i was like, wow, that actually felt refreshing to read, even with its many flaws. at least it was original.
so i started to wonder -> under which circumstances would these two characters actually make sense? how do i create a world in which that relationship would work? i love to challenge myself as a writer, and i thought about it until i came up with a narrative that could support my idea!
i am honestly surprised by how many people are appalled by the concept of ageing up a character? that has been around for as long as fandom exists. i didn't think it would be *that* controversial, and if you read my story i honestly don't think there is anything Outrageous in it. in fact, i think it's much, much tamer than MANY popular fandom works. i expected some backlash bc people are generally close-minded online and have very Specific ideas abt what is Moral and what is Not, but i didn't expect people to go *this* nuts lol. i am better prepared for next time, i guess
and even if my work was like. Immoral and Horrible, it's fiction. if you don't like it, don't read it. i feel we encounter a genuine problem when people try to control and police other people and the type of content that gets written and posted -- a lot like young people trying to erase "problematic tags" from ao3. i am not saying certain things aren't problematic, but there is a distinction to be made between fiction and real life. people are allowed to write about whatever they want to write about, and it doesn't make them criminals, murderers, pedophiles, or morally corrupt and evil.
i honestly think most people who have accused me of promoting pedophilia wouldn't recognise sexual abuse if it was happening before their eyes irl lol. and besides, i never said oh go fuck your former teacher, that's a great idea!!! (i know fandom people who have bragged abt doing that though lol) i have simply written a story about two characters that are both consenting adults, and you can take it or leave it.
i am, in fact, writing a new fic that does deal with pedophilia, ephebophilia to be precise with my terminology, sexual assault and cycles of abuse -- how and why they happen and whether they can be broken and how. it's a very personal story and i pull a lot from my own life experience with sexual abuse as a minor. it's, obviously, not a romance or a ship story, but it *is* set in the wednesday universe -- and i am SURE i will get another bout of "kill yourself" messages, to which i say, i don't give a shit. i think people who send that type of shit are sad and deranged -- and tbh, you can send me those day in and day out and i would still i post whatever the fuck i wanted. i got angry with all the ignorance and hate that i witnessed after i published "particular" and i now feel the need to write what people think they witnessed in my story.
all that being said, i am also a person that likes to poke at the status quo. my answer to "why" is "why not?" so you can take that as you will. i am not harming anybody and i don't see why i should be apologetic about writing a fic that i wanted to write.
i appreciate you asking a genuine question and not hiding behind anon! this is my genuine answer, and i hope it's somewhat satisfying -- if not, that's too bad bc it's the only one i've got.
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inoghmia · 2 years
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As an aro person, seeing jayvik is really getting on my nerves
Just hear me out
When I watched arcane I really liked Jayce’s and Viktors relationship. It’s professional, it’s intimate, it’s that specific type of love you have for someone that just gets you and its muddied with the disconnection they have in other things, like their upbringing, politics which is something that creates this barrier between them, it’s this one small for them but ultimately always in the background thing that will eventually drive them apart - I genuinely love it
It’s also platonic.
Viktor had an objectively kinda shitty childhood, not being able to play with younger kids, growing up misunderstood for his genius, being seen as a “cripple from the undercity” later on, even if he became assistant to the dean of Piltover’s best academy, he probably never had anyone close in his life (not talking abt his parents cause they weren’t mentioned in arcane). He deserves a friend
Viktor and Jayce click, they finally found an equal that operates on the same wavelength, has the same goal in life and is a great work partner. They themselves are great and fun characters, and they have this amazing story line and relationship I love them really
So I wanted to read fanfics about them and then I found jayvik.
I was honestly appalled by it, really just being angry at the fandom for this ship being seemingly everywhere. But I’m someone who doesn’t want to judge so I’ve read a few fanfics and altho they are imo all extremely out of character, the stories themselves are greatly written and stand on their own.
I don’t have an issue with jayvik, I myself like it for comedy
But there’s literally barely anything not jayvik related and it really makes me depressed, cause I feel like a lot of people (not everyone obv) ship them cause friendship “isn’t enough”.
All aromantics can probably agree that it’s really disheartening how often this happens, how it’s a socially accepted truth that romantic love is above friendship and that’s just simply not true. Friendship, true actual friendship, aka someone willing to sacrifice anything for you, kill for you, die for you, they are your ride or die, they’ll always have your back, they are there for you for when you’re broken and when youre at your best, they pick you up, they are the reason you want to be better - is absolutely equal to romantic love.
The thing is, it’s just as much effort to acquire as love, because it is exactly that, it’s just a different kind of love, but people think that it’s for some reason a given. As if friendship is obvious and meaningless and only love is what matters. And this just hurts to see. I see it irl all the time and I see it especially in fandoms.
How many fanfics do you see or two characters being friends? They may be in the background, but usually it’s all just romance, sex, drama, it’s exhausting and after some time heartbreaking, cause it feels like someone is taking that beautiful thing, that platonic love, and basically spitting in your face that it’s boring and meaningless
I understand that people can ship characters for fun and that’s fine it’s just that I sometimes wish that we could see platonic relationships on the same level as romantic and this is just another example of that
And if the writers are gonna ship them because fans want it I’m going to cry no joke, cause it’s just another slap in the face of how we can’t have intimate friendships without it being romantic
This was just me ranting at literally 4 in the morning
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sonickedtrowel · 1 year
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1, 2, 37, 41, and 11 (I know you’re partial to doctorriver so in this case let’s make it abt which dynamic -4River/CuratorRiver, 8River, 10River, and so on or are you equal opportunity)
1. What fic of yours would you recommend to someone who had never read any of your work? (In other words, what do you think is the best introduction to your fics?) I think the best introduction for someone with some time on their hands is probably there is a love I reminisce but for a lower-commitment intro, I'd probably go with I don't wanna run, just overwhelm me.
2. Go to your AO3 “Works” page, to the sidebar with all the filters, and click the drop-down arrow for “Additional Tags.” What are your top 3-5 most used tags? Do you think they accurately represent your writing habits?
Oh, god this is an embarrassing question. I'm so bad at tagging, and I used to be even WORSE at tagging, because I'd been out of the fanfic world since the days when people unironically used citrus terminology, and had only dipped into reading Doctor/River fic a few months before but had not updated myself at all on the modern conventions of fanfic or like How Ao3 Worked. Which is, of course - in combination with having absolutely no idea what I was getting into when I decided to write a scene from Darillium that popped into my head one day - how I ended up writing an 84-chapter fic as a series and making everyone hate me for 6 months. My friends in the fandom assure me no one does hate me for this but they also will never let me live it down, so 😂 ANYWAY this monstrosity fucked up all my tagging stats and I was, at the time, clueless of conventions and haphazardly tagging it with things like "romance" like just normal non-fanfic entertainment genres. All that considered, though, romance, family feels (which is more specific to that one series,) light angst and fluff are not a bad representation of a lot of what I've done.
41. Link a fic that made you think, “Wow, I want to write like that.” Everything Pam @mygalfriday has ever written is phenomenal but I'll throw some love at this one which I still think of even though it is TEN YEARS OLD???? and I daresay it has not aged a day, it is spectacular. And all in war with Time for love of you
11. Are you partial to a certain character/pairing or are you more equal-opportunity? If you are partial to any character/pairing, why do you think that is?
Obviously 11, 12 and 8 are my top three- as well as my top three favorite Doctors generally, and I will not decide rankings between them, I can't do that to them 😂 And so far I've only written her with ones she's met in official material, whether the show or Big Finish so I at least have a little something to go on- with the exception of 13 who I wrote before she was even on TV lol. But I love her with all of them, it's so much fun pulling out the subtle differences in their dynamics as well as the overriding things that don't change at all. That's what makes this such a great ship- endless possibilities with matchups of different Doctors and different points in their timelines, but they are always fundamentally the same two people not so far beneath the surface.
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tomdutch · 16 days
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Hey um I know there's a large chance that you most likely won't see this, but I just have to say this. When you had first spoken up about leaving the fandom I was confused as to why because I didn't really realize how dry it was becoming. I just wanna say how utterly correct you were. It has declined even moreee since your leave (not saying you caused it or anything). I sometimes find myself comparing the notes/reblogs from Tom!peter fanfics to the tasm!peter ones and the difference is astounding ( it has me wondering if anyone even knows that Tom!peter exists). It's really sad, the fandom honestly can't be revived, like where is everyone??? I have so many questions about the decline of content in the fandom ( I know the interactions from the readers played a huge part, but I also feel like there may have been other factor that lead to this.) Did everyone in the fandom just grow up or something?? Anyways, I miss you lots and hope you are doing well and your new fandoms are treating you right.
wow this was a doozy to read but in a good way 😭 the delusional main character side of me wants to think my absence had an impact of any kind lmaooo but to be honest, the fandom was already in really bad shape.
lack of reader interaction personally wasn’t that big of a factor for me, i was incredibly lucky and am still grateful for the consistent feedback and love y’all gave me and i still sometimes look through reblogs on my fave fics for writing inspo :”) it meant so much to me and i look back with so much fondness on all the fun times we had with more interactive series, especially break my heart.
not to sound like i’m giving a ted talk, but what drove me away more than anything was the toxicity of the fandom. granted all fandoms have a certain level of it, but this one was really, truly bad in 2021-2022. there’s only so much consistent harassment and suicide bait a girl can overlook while still feeling welcome and excited abt this space 😭 when i look back at that stuff now i’m honestly shocked so many people stayed as long as we did.
rabid shipping culture aside, i personally feel like the mcu spiderman franchise took a big hit in no way home that drove a lot of ppl away. obviously they couldn’t keep going forever with a 30 year old guy playing a 19 year old, but their creative decisions in nwh are questionable at best to me. the end of mcu peter’s story was so final and abrupt that, combined with how flip-floppy the writers were abt a follow-up trilogy with new characters and a time jump, didn’t leave much room for fanfic to carry on. they quite literally erased mcu peter as a character and individual from the mcu itself lmao it would be pretty hard for people to write copious fanfics about a guy who has no one bc no one knows who he is and his family is dead as hell.
that being said, i really am sorry you feel like it’s difficult to enjoy and share your passion in this space. that feeling sucks and i hope that, if you write fanfic, the lack of engagement and content doesn’t stop you from being creative and sharing what you wanna share. trends and fandoms come and go in waves, you never know when a piece of media or an actor has a revival in the general public. i don’t know what roles tom has going on but if you feel inspired to engage in them when the time comes, i’m sure there will be ppl there to interact. you’re never too ‘grown up’ to enjoy fandom, especially not one as iconic and timeless as spider-man in all variations. if there’s a character, there’s ppl out there creating art for them.
in the meantime, i hope life treats you kindly as well and thank you for your ask :”) if you ever wanna chat with me, i’m still active on my main, or if you’re more comfortable here i still check in on this blog every other month 💛
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lavend-ler · 2 years
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Spirk ay
Spirk my loves,,,,,,,,, this will be most likely rly long kjdnbkjdf
when I started shipping it if I did:
I'm pretty sure I started shipping them when I've first heard of them. maybe when I first watched AOS in 2013 and then I just admired Spirk "from afar". but right after I started watching TOS like a month or so ago......oh man then it truly had started for me
my thoughts:
hhnhnnhnhnnhnnnnnhhh SPIRK I LOVE SPIRK SO MUCH imagine having a ship so fucking powerful u can trace modern fandom to them. the sheer power of them the love the tenderness the absolute EVERYTHING abt them... I love that they are simply the perfect match for each other. Kirk is a man who thinks with his heart, he's passionate and he's a hopeless romantic. and Spock is a man who thinks with his brain, he's logical, collected, in control. and together they make the perfect mix of supporting each other and bringing each other's best sides. and the best part is that neither of them wants to forcefully change the other, they remain as they were but they are perfected through their relationship. I mean it by the fact that Kirk thinks more logically and sees the problems he's facing more sober when Spock is around. and Spock is allowed to feel the things he's concealing, maybe not showing it but being comfortable with being who he actually is. the respect they feel for each other is immatriculate and the way they treat each other so seriously and so to the heart is,,, it's simply everything to me
What makes me happy about them:
basically everything I swear,,, like it's hard for me to split this ^ and this point but when I wrote my Spirk fic, I've realized that Kirk has been in love with the stars his entire life,,, and the biggest love of his life is a man who comes from between the stars. I love the fact that Kirk loves Spock more than anything else and could sacrifice so much for him. I love the respect Spock has for Kirk and his devotion to him. I love the way Spock can be himself while around him and can truly feel love. I love everything abt them
What makes me sad about them:
I almost started ugly crying at the end of Wrath Of Khan. I feel like this should suffice. also the fact that it's 2022 and they're still not canon
things done in fanfic that annoys me:
I haven't read too much fics but I can just see ppl who misinterpret both of em and its already making me mad lmao but other than that I gotta find more TOS fics cause whenever I look for fics I find AOS
things I look for in fanfic:
I am so fascinated in how everyone sees their relationship, I'd love to read more relationship studies! or how they got together, I love to see different takes. and some cool scifi plots as the bg
Who I’d be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other: 
hmmm I don't think I ship either with anyone else actually. they're so perfect for each other, I truly believe they'd be each other happiest endings. if they weren't together they'd just be types to be married to their jobs (or maybe I just haven't thought of any other ships for them cause I gotta know fanon ships more kfdnbdf I'd have to think abt this but I do think they're each other's happiest endings)
My happily ever after for them:
getting married and travelling the galaxies together <3 so like canon but with on-screen marriage
who is the big spoon/little spoon:
they switch around but usually Kirk is the big spoon and Spock is the little spoon uwu
what is their favorite non-sexual activity:
a bit basic but talking! they love to converse with each other on various topics, compare and contrast opinions. besides that they enjoy playing games together such as 3D chess, basically anything that's mentally stimulating for both of them
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i loved the hunger games novels as a kid.
as a middle schooler, those books felt so important. the revolution at hand, the boy and girl in love against all odds, against everything the world was throwing at them. the world-building spoke to me in a way that all of the books that felt important to me at that time did: it made me FEEL something. i loved it.
i was a dutiful fan. i was a part of facebook pages dedicated to the hunger games books, and then to the movies as they started to come out. i spoke to other fans thru those pages. i made friends in the fandom. i started writing fanfic before i really even know what fanfic was. i loved being a part of that space.
and then the third movie came out.
the hunger games, if you’ll remember, was split into four movies: the first two books had their own movies, and then the last book had two, a la harry potter. (bc every franchise desperately wanted, at the time, to be harry potter.) i watched the first two movies with bated breath, and would chitter away in my little fan spaces after seeing the depictions of my favourite series on a big screen. but the third movie…
i saw mockingjay part one in theatres, and i sat thru it with a slowly building emotion that i didn’t have a name for at the time. i was sixteen then, and something abt the dystopia being shown to me struck a different chord than reading abt the horrors that had, perhaps, been beyond my twelve-thirteen year old comprehension.
when the movie ended, i walked calmly out of the theatre, locked myself in a stall in the bathroom, and proceeded to have one of the worst panic attacks i had ever had at that point in my life. i very nearly threw up. i couldn’t stop thinking abt katniss, and the fear she’d been dealing with the entire movie, and the way she’d hyperventilated her way thru the film like she was running for her goddamn life. (say what you will abt jennifer lawrence, but sixteen year old me FELT that.) it resonated in some very primal part of my brain that i didn’t know how to place at the time. i still don’t, not really. but…
there’s something to be said abt a piece of media that evokes such strong feelings in the young people it was made for. it has been said time and time again, but i’ll reiterate it anyway: hunger games was a VERY formative piece of media, not only me, but for an entire generation of young people. it was a story about hope in the face of adversity, but more than that… it was a story abt ADVERSITY. it was a story that said ‘bad things happen. bad things happen, and they’ll keep happening, and while life might go on… it’s going to hurt.’ it didn’t lie to its audience. suzanne collins looked at the world, looked at the terrible, fucked up state of the world in the early 2010s, and said ‘i know it’s going to get worse, and these kids deserve to know it, too.’ i respect her immensely for that. especially now, in this day and age where everyone is trying to sanitise the experience that children have with the world… it’s refreshing, even if it became too much for me personally at the time.
i never watched the last movie. mockingjay part two came out a year later, and my appetite for the hunger games was no longer whet. however, i did move on to interact with other complex pieces of media, things that evoke complex feelings and emotions in me that i can handle and process in a way that is healthy. maybe someday i’ll revisit it, when i can look at the world and see good instead of the current climate of terrible thing after terrible thing beating down on our generation, and the generations following us. maybe i won’t. doesn’t change the fact that i owe the hunger games something for being one of the first pieces of media i had to interact with critically, for being a force to help teach me how powerful a book series, or a movie, can be.
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iamanartichoke · 3 years
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In that recent thread w bardicious u mentioned this
Which felt straight out of fanfic and I am almost 90% in all seriousness convinced that Tom or someone has an AO3 and/or tumblr account but that's another topic lmfao.
I am soo curious what u have to say on this topic if u wanna talk abt it
Haha thanks for asking! lmao well it's mostly a joke but also at this point it's kinda getting to not be a joke? No, it is a joke, and I will continue to disclaim that several times bc this fandom latches onto things and runs with them and I don't even want to open that Pandora's box.
But, the seeds were planted awhile ago (maybe a month?) when this post was going around - basically, Tom had a surprisingly accurate assessment of the main categories into which Loki fans fell, regarding Loki's characteristics, and so some of us sat up like, and how would you know, Mr. Hiddleston?
So that was a fun time for all, and then after the first episode came out, I made a post about the little things that felt weirdly specific to things we've discussed at length on tumblr? With the same kind of tone/phrasing, I mean.
Then there's the professor bit, which I need to add to my list, but basically we all know "Professor Tom" is a nickname that gets tossed around fairly often in the fandom, the joke being about how he often goes on at-length about things even if no one actually asked. In episode 2, Loki spoke up at length about the difference between two powers, when no one actually asked, and gets hit with a Professor Loki.
Next, a couple of days ago, the post going around was about how Tom apparently, in addition to giving everyone on set in-depth lectures on Loki's character, showed up at Owen's house specifically to talk to him about Loki, and while this is hilarious, for me I kinda had the feeling like, okay Tom's probably not just sitting on that much meta, it's gotta come out somehow, he's probably secretly right here beside us, commenting and offering his own perspectives lol jk unless ...?
Finally, the bit you quoted - not just the metaphor or the way he delivers it feels like fanfic but I felt like there were so many, like, fanfic/fandom tropes? I mean, Loki's magic is always underutilized and needs to be fixed: Popular fandom topic check. All of the references to Loki being a magician? Fic check. Loki is way more powerful than they ever show on-film: Popular fandom topic check. (He telekinetically threw a building I'm-). Loki singing for one reason or another: Fic check. Loki complaining about physical activity: Fic check. (This happens a lot in pre-canon fics when he and Thor go on quests.) He and Sylvie on the train and there was only one bed booth: Fic check. There is literally even a Thorki fic called Vows from a Dagger (and it's very well-written, btw, if any Thorki friends are reading this and haven't read it) in which Loki gives Thor a dagger as a symbol of his love and devotion, which is the first thing I thought of but also just in general, the ~poetry~ of it all felt like fic to me. So, fandom and fic check. Hence the bit up above where I'm like, okay for real now, which one of you is secretly Tom and can I read your fics please lmao.
But anyway. It really is just a joke that I personally think is really funny bc like imagine if Tom has been lurking all this time and ended up giving himself away bc he kept slipping fandom/fic tropes into the tv series and we're all like
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so yeah. But each time I post about this, I must include the disclaimer that it is a joke, I'm not really serious, I don't really believe Tom lurks around here bc I'm sure he has better things to do - but, the "evidence" I've compiled just makes me feel like, if it turned out he did, I would not be surprised at all.
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I’m sure that like 95% of the creepypasta/marble hornet fandom are LGBTQ+ people that major in psych, criminal justice, or both.
There’s definitely simplification going on. Not a lot of people want to go in depth on what exactly is going on with the reader and I get it. It’s a lot to understand and a lot to unpack. It’s also a pain in the ass to work that into a story. But I want to see a fanfic that does do that, you know? Like make it 100% as realistic as possible. I feel like it would make it more enthralling and more relatable. To be able to see the reader at their fullest and get broken down mentally and physically cause of the cortisol and constant stress would be an experience to read. Maybe that’s just my nerd side talking though. That seems like it would only be for a specific audience with the patience for that.
It definitely depends on the previous experiences of the reader, which ultimately just depends on the plot and direction the writer wants to take. But there are so many fanfics that do not correlate with the realistics of it all. There were only a couple that truly got it correct, and those are the ones that I absolutely love. Humans are stubborn and when we are faced with a dangerous situation, we can do just about anything to survive it. But that also goes back to the point of the readers backstory. We all might be stubborn but our breaking points are at different places depending on our past and current state of mind.
Also I’m so tired of those two options 💀 the nihilistic reader or the “UwU I’ll kill with you cause I love you even though I just met you and you tried to kill me” reader. Like whatever happened to the reader being a normal human being that has some skeletons in their closet. For me, relatable fanfics are the best fanfics.
Idk abt you guys but I have subtle beef with criminology/forensic psych majors. Tbf, psych majors in general are pretty insufferable and I know that bc I’m absolutely insufferable but criminology,,,, I’m watching you.
How do we,,, keep bouncing between realism and being off the wall here? A day or so ago I was talking to someone on how they believe realism is kinda not fun? Or something similar, the perception some of you have takes all my brain cells pooling together. We were just talking about how There’s Never Going Back kinda touches on these ideas and I believe they said it was, and I’m paraphrasing in my own words, convoluted and subpar. A lot of the works I gravitate towards more are exactly in the ballpark of what you want. Again, I don’t see too many where the reader just gets up like nothing happened, those mostly died out as we grew up.
There’s plenty of dark fics that exist like this, plenty of UwU family and something in between. I don’t read fanfic anymore, I just trust you guys with your process and sometimes hear about it here.
I think Creepypasta is bizarrely relatable to people and a good amount of fics are written in a relatively realistic light. I don’t know, when I do my worldbuilding, I don’t like focusing on the reader because the reader doesn’t matter to me in the way the established characters do. I genuinely don’t think we can really attain ultimate reality, canon compliant as long as it’s a reader insert. When you make those, you have to keep the reader relatable to everyone, and often end up empathizing with no one. They’re so bland and one dimensional that we can’t delve into specific breaking points and end up making a character we pretend is the reader, which defeats the point of reader inserts.
It’s hard. It’s hard to attain what you want given the confine of the thing you’re writing.
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just wondering why u choose to engage with hockey through fanfic and not actually being a fan of the team? genuine question here. like instead of live-blogging games or talking abt trades etc. all u really do is post fan fic. which is fine i guess. but like are you only in it for the players looks wise or do you actually engage with the game too?
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MMMKAY. SO.
What we are NOT going to do is start fucking gate-keeping on my blog in any way, shape, or form.  Hockey is for everyone regardless of how they choose to enjoy it.  You’re in it for the game?  Nice.  You’re in it for the hot pieces of ass?  Nice.  IT DOESN’T MATTER.  I don’t have to prove myself or my loyalty to my team or my favourite players in any way to you, an anon on the internet, who apparently doesn’t like that I write stories?????  Okay.  Go to another blog.  You literally don’t have to be here.  And with an attitude like that, I would actually prefer that you leave.  
The wording in your ask makes it seem like you want me to tell you that I was birthed in a Leafs jersey, right?  Because that’s the only way I could be a legitimate fan?  Gross.  I could have become a fan yesterday.  It doesn’t make me any less legitimate than a bitch who has been a fan for 10+ years (it’s me, I’m the bitch)  or a bitch who has been a fan since birth.  IT.  DOESN’T.  MATTER.  The way I choose to interact with my love of hockey is nobody’s choice but my own.  Just because I don’t liveblog games or comment on trades ON TUMBLR (as if there aren’t any other social media sites on the internet) doesn’t mean I don’t do it.  When I talk circles around guys at parties about hockey, does that count?????  Or does it not just because you don’t see me doing it?
And, like, not for anything, but do you honestly think I would go SO in depth with my writing if I WASN’T a fan of the team?  
Making fun of and belittling the different and non-traditional ways that mainly women and LGBTQ+ people engage and interact with sports (hockey) and the hockey fandom specifically does not make you cool.  It does not make you funny.  It makes you a fucking asshole.  In doing so you’re driving people away from the sport and you’re being needlessly mean and shitty.
Like, who raised you?????
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all the odd ones for the fic questions pls and thank you pepster
all the odd ones, meaning 1, 3 etc right? oh BOY are we gonna be here for a while (and i love it 🥰)
it’s morning right now so let’s see how long throughout the day this is gonna take me sdfghjk let’s do it!!
1) what was the first fandom you got involved in?
hmmmm. i wanna say harry potter, more than a decade ago? specifically dramione and scorose
3) what is the best fandom you’ve been involved in?
for all that it has given me i have to say bechloe
5) which fandoms have you written fanfiction for?
so far just for bechloe
7) list your NoTPs from each fandom you’ve been in
i’m only gonna list pairs i have strong feelings against and from only the fandoms i’ve been most involved in
harry potter: snape and hermione
frozen: elsa and hans (no but for real. why)
pitch perfect: beca and jessie, chloe and chicago
marvel: hm hm surprisingly nothing comes to mind
the haunting of bly manor: same as for marvel
9) what are the best things about your current fandom?
having a space where i can fully be myself, expressing myself freely through my writing, meeting so many wonderful people, having a previously unexplored side of myself revealed to me, finding and delving into characters that make me feel less alone, and so much more. it’s been a real blessing, having this fandom in my life
11) who is your current OTP?
bechloe
(this was the point where tumblr lost me ALL MY ANSWERS FROM QUESTIONS 13 TO 33 so let’s do this again SHALL WE??? i’ll be saving each answer as we go dear god)
13) any NoTPs?
already answered!
15) is there an obscure ship which you love?
hmm i don’t think so? none that comes to mind at least
17) who was your first OTP and are they still your favorite?
my first OTP, before i even knew what an OTP was, was scorpius and rose from harry potter. it’s not still on top of my OTP list, but always has a special place in my heart
19) is there a ship which you wished you could get behind, but you just don’t feel them?
not really? i mean, there are popular ships that i don’t support, like hermione with bellatrix or natasha with wanda for example. i can see their appeal and i get why people like them. they’re just not for me and i’m okay with that
21) what was the first fanfic you ever wrote?
ah my accidental multi chap baby sdfghjkdfg
All is Fair in Love and War was posted as an one shot, and that was all it was supposed to be. it was my first finished written piece. and then a couple of people in the comments were really nice abt sharing thoughts of where the story could go next and what they’d like to see happen, and they were very enthusiastic abt wanting to see more of that story. so the second chapter was born
sooo one thing led to the other and before i knew it that fic had become an 8 chapter, over 60k words story sdfghjkdf i’m amused and grateful to this day
23) name a fic you’ve written that you’re especially fond of and explain why you like it
how can you ask a mother to pick her favorite of her kids HUH
no but for real, i love all of my stories equally. i’m a perfectionist, so nothing gets posted before it’s perfect in my eyes. plus, all my stories are my babies. each has its flaws and imperfections, each in their own ways. but they’re all beautiful and meaningful to me
what i will say is, i have a particular soft spot for (wondering if you knew) i was enchanted to meet you. i truly think my writing peaked in that story, in all the parallels and tiny but very important things that are in there
25) what’s your most popular fanfic?
based on views and kudos, it’s All is fair in Love and War
ofc that’s a multi chap, so maybe the numbers aren’t exactly equivalent to popularity
my most popular one shot, by a very large margin at that, is (i’ll let you in) and baby, that’s when
27) what do you hate more: coming up with titles or writing summaries?
i honestly love coming up with titles
writing summaries, on the other hand, is the bane of my existence
29) do you have a beta reader? why/why not?
i don’t, and it’s bc i’m literally incapable of taking any kind of critique over anything unfinished. once it’s posted and out in the world it’s fair game; but until then? that’s a big no for me
31) what’s the nicest thing anyone has ever said about your writing?
i honestly can’t answer this question bc every comment is so so special and important to me. i often go back and read them all. even right now while writing this there are so many different comments swirling around in my head. i appreciate and am grateful for all the kind words always 💜
33) do you write one shots, multi chapters, or huge epics?
sdfghjkk definitely not huge epics
i’ve written both of the other two. in the beginning i preferred and wanted to write multi chapters. however nowadays and for the past year or so, i lean more heavily towards one shots
35) do you write drabbles? if so, what do you normally write them about?
i am physically and mentally incapable of writing short things sdfghjkd so no, i don’t write drabbles
37) first person or third person? what do you write in and why?
always third person. idk the idea of first person narration always seemed weird to me. plus, i see my stories as me retelling the events the characters have confided in me. so third person makes sense and it’s also why i use past tense in my stories
39) what is your greatest strength as a writer?
describing and narrating emotions and using metaphors
41) list and link to five fanfics you’re currently reading
my reader’s block has been going strong, so i’m not reading anything currently unfortunately
43) is there anyone in your fandom who really inspires you?
my squirrels 💜
45) what is your all time favorite fanfic?
i have to say Experimentation i just have to
i also love Perdition, what an incredible piece of writing
47) ao3, ff.net or tumblr - where do you prefer to post and why?
definitely ao3, i just love its interface i guess?
49) do you care if people comment on/ reblog your writing? why/why not?
okay so here’s the deal. ofc i care. every artist who shares their work, every creator, cares; at least to a degree. it’s why we share. we want people to see and love and appreciate our work, we want it recognised and celebrated even. we want people to engage with it, show it to their friends, talk abt it, have thoughts abt it. it’s only natural and ofc i’m absolutely no exception
with that said. i’ve always tried to remind myself that kudos/likes are also engagement. that even just reading is engagement. that everyone’s limit or ability for engagement isn’t the same, and that ultimately it’s their choice how or if they’ll engage with my writing. i try to, and i do, value everyone who even just reads my stories. i share something with the world for free and it’s my choice to do and continue to do so. what happens after that isn’t up to me
so yes i do care a lot abt reblogs and comments. they make me very happy, they validate and encourage me. but people have no obligation, in my eyes at least, to engage with my works a specific way. just like i have no specific obligation to provide a certain type of content on set periods of time or with a set limit of words or to continue to provide stories; or literally any other obligation. no one can police my actions and choices up until i’ve posted a story and i can’t police anyone’s actions or choices after i’ve posted it. and that’s the beauty of fandom for me - we’re all here bc we want to and bc it makes us happy, with no expectations or obligations
ending this with an essay seems only suitable sdfghjkd thank you my egg for giving me the opportunity to talk abt myself in such length 😌💜
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translightyagami · 3 years
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28, 31, 50 for the ask game please :)
This is for the fanfic ask meme i reblogged last night
If someone were to draw a piece of fanart for your story, which story would it be and what would the picture be of?
Well! I’ve gotten fanart of my fics several times, all of which have been SO COOL bc, like, oh my god the thing in my brain is now a visible representation someone else drew. I really love when people draw what they think Cryptid L from the cryptid AU looks like, just because everyone has totally different ideas and I’m fascinated by it. But, also, I personally wish I could see more of the, like, small romantic moments from fics I’ve written drawn out, like the scene where L puts his shoes on Light’s feet in “in your shoes,” or maybe the part in “The Light of the Moon” where Light watches vampire L drink someone’s blood. Tbh, I adore every piece of art someone draws of my fics, so rlly I just like whatever fanart ppl draw (altho if ppl want to maybe draw more of the, how do you say, explicit scenes from my fics … my inbox and heart are open 👀✉💖).
What’s the nicest thing someone has ever said about your writing?
I treasure pretty much every nice comment I get, but the ones that really stick are people who have told me my trans fic made them feel good abt being trans, or offered a trans portrayal that affected them deeply. While I write fanfic mostly bc I love writing and being silly, I also take a lot of pride in being able to present tran-ness in a way that I like and knowing that presentation buoys other people as well is just the best.
Also, not about my writing, but one time someone told me my Death Note posts remind them of Chris Fleming lol I felt very funny and hot then.
How did you get into reading and/or writing fanfiction?
When I was in middle school, I wrote Teen Titans fanfiction but I “published” it by printing out each chapter and giving them to my friend to read. I found fanfiction dot net pretty soon after that, and read a bunch of TT fics (some of which I should NOT have been reading, lmao) before I got into Death Note, which was the first fandom I published online fanfic for. (And yes, my old ff dot net account is still up with all my fics, which are fully cringe and yet I can’t bring myself to take them down. It’s a little piece of James history! Actually, some of y’all have probably read at least one … but idk if you’d know it was my stuff.)
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I've called ppl delusional coz they shipped jongkey or the popular exo ships, I can see why ppl think like that but the issue is as u grow older u realise alot of idols are growing up in closed environment and they end up thinking it's ok to experiment with their fellow members/idols sexually, (them basically having the clg experience where u end up at least doing something with samesex person even if it's something basic like kissing or fumbling)
That's what the management person said in the interview, posted here on this blog in the past, that these idols are always so close that the affection automatically develops. Do I think idols experiment, maybe but I never took it seriously coz I dont think they were attracted to eachother as anything permanent and basically experienced things together.
With jaedo what I always say is that the way they're being handled by SM is so weird and telling. Jaedo does something small and they trend around the world, they're still one of the most popular ships. Even in english speaking fandom fanfic writers like writing jaedo fics even if they're not their main ship.
They interact and we have fanart of that said interaction in all parts of the fandom international and local asians.... BUT SM is basically cutting all their bts from vlogs and videos they post. When they're just sent on offical outing, they have other members with them. In American vlogs only jaedo were the ones who had someone else with them. Dowoo got their own and jaehyun who doesnt like doing fanservice had mark with him. Even when they went to see cherry blossoms in Japan mark was with jaedo. Mark was weird in most of the vlog eventhough they both treat him like a younger sibling.
The way jaedo react and interact with eachother is alot different to the way they act and react to others. Taeyong is close to jaehyun but he gets pissy when he has to do fanservice with taeyong. The same is the case with haechan and jaehyun they stayed roommates the longest and stayed closer unlike johnjae (Jaehyun didnt even know johnny used to sleep in nude when they shared a room what does that tell u) but even haechan knows his limits with jaehyun.
Ships die peacefully into close friendships like minkey and jongkey but Some die cos the ppl being shipper werent close at all like yoosu(yoochun and junsu). SM hasnt ever tried to erase a ship at all, they're doing it to jaedo.
In this year we only got jaedo moments which were for paid fans and that too heavily edited or in formal settings like formal prize/award shows, where they need to be super formal.
Im a shawol before I became a nctzen so I'll give an example of minkey(kfans) and jongkey(ifans fav), minho and jjong still buy really expensive stuff for key. Key got a cartier ring and a bracelet from jong as b.day gift and told fans on insta live that he gave something cheap but useful to jjong on his b.day and wasnt shy abt reading msgs which asked him is it underwear that he bought jjong.
Minkey are very close and see eachother alot but the ship has died to their friendship and noone bloody cares.
Jaedo hiding has made me more curious why they're doing it, it's not just us, but japanese fans, korean and also Chinese fans who are curious why SM is trying to hide their interactions. last year we could see jaedo if not infront but behind everyone being close and getting into eachothers space. Even in the most boring nct life ever ( the new one) if u keep an eye on jaedo they're always together, even in Indonesian vlogs jaehyun is being himself with doyoung when 2dong were playing his switch. It's not as if the jaedo arent close, they're very close and know everything abt eachother but the way they're being edited it is just funny.
In the video of them making phone covers, jaedo didnt look into eachothers eyes at all, one looked at other while that person looked ahead. The one Time their eyes met they both looked at the ppl behind the camera Or how in the vlive with johnny and jungwoo, jaehyun only looked ahead when doyoung was talking to him and looking at him.
These things make most of us more suspicious and than doyoung comes and says stuff like "I dont want to tell u what I bought jaehyun for his b.day and it's a secret" make it weirder.
If u dont want to believe something is fishy, well and good than move on. I'm stuck here coz the way they're both acting is making me more suspicious.
Btw I love jaedo but I'm not really a shipper in conventional terms. I stopped reading any jaedo fanfic coz if they're really a couple I'll feel iffy abt it, But I'm not shy abt reading a good dotae or johndo fanfic....
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To me the most important and persuasive thing is the behaviour and the change in the said behaviour. But I’m a biologist with some practical experience in ethology and knowledge of neuroscience and social behaviour. If I can unterpret an animal’s behavior, I sure can a human’s, when it’s such a simple thing as evident mutual attraction and hiding of said attraction. I’ve answered about my “non-scientific reaching” ways before several times, and am not going to humour any more passing by hypocritical morale enthusiasts. The close tab button is in the right upper corner. 
To a non-biologist, behaviour and body language is not as convincing simply due to the lack of in depth biological knowledge and nature laws. However, there are plenty of other clues, that are understandable to everyone, because they are about common sense and everyday life. SM editing Jaedo, Mark drunk-posting a picture of a man in Do’s bed, Doyoung’s secrecy about the BD presents, Jaehyun having issues with the members closest to Doyoung, etc. Stop pretending like every 10th man is not gay and that coworkers starting to date is some exceptionally rare occurence. 
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