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I'm not sure if this is the end for the QSMP, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were shut down soon after this.
The eggs have been the lifeblood of the server since they were introduced, and having some of them permanently gone from the server is devastating for so many reasons, and bodes terribly for the future of this project. My optimism has run out. I will still wait for updates but I have no hope.
However, I wanted to write a piece for the community here on Tumblr. I know we're all very emotional right now, because while we have no confirmation that the QSMP will permanently close, we now have good reason to assume there might just be no other clear path out of this.
To the community:
Do not feel like you have to stop loving the server and everything it created. Do not stop creating art. Do not stop sharing why you loved the characters and the story and the world.
To completely boycott everything QSMP, you are discrediting the incredible work that the admins put into the server purely out of passion and the kindness of their hearts. Do not waste their sacrifices. Talk about the server and everything they did for it, give them recognition, let them know we love and appreciate all the time and care they poured into this project. Thank them by caring about their work that they put so much of themselves into.
To completely boycott everything QSMP, you are ignoring the beautiful friendships it created between content creators who otherwise would never have met, and the way it ignited such a fierce determination to learn about others' cultures in them. You are forgetting how much these streamers strived to tell engaging, relatable, fun stories, by themselves or with each other, and to have their fans talk about how much they liked their newest lore. You are refusing to acknowledge the effort put in by everyone on the project to tell amazing stories through the language barrier.
And to completely boycott the QSMP, you are denying yourself the fact that you loved this server; the eggs, the streamers, the stories, the cultural events, the laughter, the sadness, the friendships, the ship ships, the builds, the mods, the languages. You are part of this server for enjoying it's wonderful vitality and beauty and hilarity. As a community, we all are.
I have had my gripes with the QSMP fanbase, as anyone has gripes with the dysfunctional mad household they live in, but at the end of the day, I love it so much. This has been my first time actually being part of a fandom; interacting with people and sharing my art and my ideas, getting into silly debates and arguments, running my mouth off more than I should. I love this bizarre toxic fandom for all of it's worth; I love the fanfic writers (even if I think their characterisation is terrible), I love the fanartists (even if they give Pac those yellow scleras that always make me think of jaundice), I love the live bloggers (even if they clog up the main tag), I love the people who write analysis, the people who make animations and animatics, the people who webweave, and all the other things people in this fandom do to interact with the media we all collectively love and bond over.
We do not need to let this be the end of our community, as we can still share our admiration for the hard work put into this project, lift each other up, express praise where it is warranted.
And we can talk to each other, we can vent about how this has negatively effected us (provided we tag it appropriately 👁️👁️) and respond in kind to those seeking someone to speak to who relates.
The QSMP taught us the value of communication. While behind the scenes, it itself did not abide by it's own rules, we can. The QSMP itself is not the figurehead of communication; the content creators and the fans it sent this message to are. We can be an example of what the QSMP should have stood for.
I do not love the deeply flawed execution of the QSMP, but with my whole heart I love the idea; the ambition, the goal. It was noble. It, to some extent, worked.
It united communities.
Let it unite ours.
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Look, I get it, Punk has a very vast culture of music and fashion and really anyone who identifies as Punk would be smart to delve into those things and at least research them, if not adopt them to a certain degree (Punk fashion especially as it's mostly based on reducing consumption and upcycling, which any self-respecting Punk should try to do)
But at the end of the day if there were two rooms full of self-identifying Punks, who'd you rather spend time with?
The ones dressed in Khakis and Button-Ups that listen to indie or pop or whatever, but would gladly break a chair over a Nazi's skull and rip Bezos' nails out one by one
Or the ones dressed in Spikes and Leather that listen to the Clash and Sex Pistols, but think trans people are pedophiles in disguise and homeless people don't deserve human rights
By using "Music Based Subculture" as the End-All-Be-All of what Punk is, you're literally holding the door wide open for a bunch of mouth-breathing capitalist republican conservative Nazi assholes who just happen to like loud music to invade our space. I don't give a flying fuck what someone wears or what they listen to cause at the end of the day it literally doesn't affect me even a tiny little bit. Their ideology and worldview, on the other hand, does.
#punk#discource#alt#punk culture#i don't even get what the issue is#oh no they dont listen to the bands i like#who cares#who actually gives a shit#are they a good person#do they got your back#do they support minorities and fight against discrimination#do they hate capitalism with a burning passion#lets focus on the real shit here for a second
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As somebody who joined Tumblr in the current decade, I am stoked to be able to read recent Black Butler discourse firsthand. To my internet drama-obsessed self, it's like being able to see a concert from a band I love that broke up before I was born.
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ok not to get involved in this mess but from what I saw on the surface level the apology seems pretty decent? I may well just be shit at picking up on passive aggression or gaslighting or whatever but aside from like a few minor things it really seemed genuine. ive seen people are mad at him for using "therapy speak" but in that situation what else is he meant to do? I think if theres a time to speak formally about this stuff, it's now.
I mean in an ideal situation, with the facts we've got, what would the ideal apology look like? to me, this seems pretty good. if I were in his shoes, and I had already fucked up that massively, I cant really think of anything id do differently in terms of the apology. I think that while yes, we should belive victims we should also remember that people can change and personally, I like to assume the best as a rule of thumb.
once again, I dont know if theres something im not picking up on in it or some underlying evidence to him not being sorry. I dont mean to come off as a prick, I just thought id share my two cents which as im writing this im realising thats kinda unnessacary but you get the point. thanks.
tldr: I think the apology was decent, and im confused as to what people want him to say.
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This is a vent post probably no one's going to care about and i haven't slept all night (it's 4 am now) so there's prolly typos. but like.... I like Angel Dust and I Like Poison from Hazbin Hotel, but SO MANY COMMENTS on YouTube refer to the general idea of prostitution (or even "sleeping around" without pay!!! Like just being dtf!!!) as self-harm and it's pissing me off.
There's nothing wrong with having lots of sex, yes even with people you don't know very well or people who are paying you- when you CONSENT.
Angel Dust is being ABUSED by a guy who literally owns him, and on top of that has no way to screen or refuse clients. This isn't "just sex work"- nothing about this is inherent to the premise of him having sex or shooting porn for money- it's abuse WITHIN his line of work, it's RAPE because he can't say no and can't call the shots and can't even refuse to see a client again. Angel Dust has no autonomy in this situation- after he signed he was kept like a pet.
Sex work isn't bad inherently, it's bad when you as a worker have no legal rights or protections to help you stay safe (which sex workers in many parts of the world don't since sex work being criminalized prevents them from doing things like persecuting someone who crossed boundaries, or even just being able to have legal "protections" outside of just getting arrested for their field of work even if it's what they want to do. And of course they get killed and abused by cops too because they're criminals and cops are SHIT), when you're working under a pimp like angel works under Valentino, or when you are forced into it due to poverty or other circumstances and don't want to be there.
As for sleeping around being self harm...first of all, cut off the goddamn slut shaming. Second of all, yes maybe some people lie about wanting sex (NOT in CNC, that's just actual consent with noncon roleplay) as a way of self harming. But nothing about liking to fuck is self harm in itself. Those specific people might need help but not every neighborhood whore needs a redemption arc- maybe they actually love themselves and just like to fuck??!!!!!
At this rate a part of me hopes that after Angel fucking murders Valentino or otherwise gets freed, he still does sex work in some capacity but in a healthy way where he's happy and able to negotiate for what he's willing to do and when- just so people will stop acting like "sex work is always bad and all sex workers want to be freed" is the only takeaway here. If he doesn't I'm not going to be mad or anything of course, and if that's not the vision for his character then that's not the vision. But it'd certainly help make comment threads less....victim blamey and awful.
There's a good philosophy tube video on Sex Work as well, with interviews included- and there's probably sex workers here on Tumblr you can talk to. But just please stop acting like being a prostitute is self harm inherently.
If I see one more post like "I love Angel Dust because people don't talk about how being slutty is just self destructive" or "Poison is such a good rep of why sex work is so disgusting and shouldnt be allowed" I'M GOING TO FUCKING BREAK SOMETHING.
If you want to protect sex workers, listen to them and help them campaign for legalization (because again they need it for safety and to ensure they can protect themselves from clients) and other things they might need. But for the love of GOD don't act like it's some inherent evil that's always abusive because, ironically, that's the shit that makes it so easy for abuse to happen in that field in the first fucking place.
#i made a textpost#hot take#discourse#discource#angel dust#hazbin hotel poison#hazbin hotel#cw rape#tw rape
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//cw-pedophilia, abuse, Dream
Sorry guys, but y’all can’t convince me that Dream is cool and innocent. Not when there’a proof that he quite literally told a minor that her tits are nice, and he technically backed it up himself. Not to mention the anti-semitism, racism, using his toxic fan base to harass anyone he doesn’t like, and the fact that he took advantage of a 20yo by getting him drunk and filming him during a manic episode and holding onto that footage for blackmail instead of telling the authorities if he was so concerned with the fact he got his shit absolutely rocked, as he should have if it was that much of a concern to him (the only reason he didn’t was to post it when his next drama came up and he needed the attention to be drawn somewhere else) (Gumball Waterson did not say very nice things, and they shouldn’t be ignored, not excusing his actions but it’s kinda funny and I’ve heard worse in my high school locker room. Also, considering the fact he was having a manic episode can’t be ignored either and mania can cause people to say and do really hurtful things that they would not otherwise do. Plus being under the influence of alcohol also does that and can cause it to be worse). There’s probably more that I’m missing, but I don’t absorb myself in Dream’s content and personality so much that I would know about everything, just the basics lol.
Point being. Dream is not innocent, he’s a an abuser and uses everyone in his life to his advantage because he doesn’t think his actions have consequences. I see it every time I’ve seen him tweet, say something, and interact with his fans. He doesn’t care. Stop worshiping him like some god that he’s not. I could care less if you like his content, or if his influence made a positive influence on your life (both are valid and shouldn’t be ignored). But sometimes, you have to come to terms with the fact that your favorite Internet personalities can be horrible people when they’re not being filmed during streams or for YouTube. You aren’t a bad person for enjoying a YouTubers content, or for having them influence your life positively. However, it turns into a really toxic mindset when the fact that you like them means that they can do no wrong. This goes for more than just Dream. Enjoy media critically, especially when influencers aren’t exactly perfect. We are all human. Including them. Dream and other influencers are not above being terrible people. Dream has shown his true colors time and time again, and his stans need to see him for what he really is and come to terms with that fact
#dream#dreamwastaken#fuck dream#social media#influencers#fandom discourse#online discourse#discource
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every person complaining about the event errors be my guest log onto the server and do math yourself
oh wait.
#qpurgatory 2#you are NOT the admins#you DON'T know how stressful it is#and you definitely are NOT the members#clown down#it's not that deep#its a minecraft fuckin tournament#a big one so error are expected#you all are annoying#GET A JOB#fandom neg#discource
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Anti: But have you Billy apologists considered THIS?
Anti: *spews the exact same talking point that has been regurgitated so frequently, the words have ceased to have any and all meaning*
#billy hargrove#fandom critical#discource#what is it like to have only one braincell that must be collectively shared with the hivemind#inquiring minds want to know
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I feel like if you're going to wax poetic about zolu's dynamic, but make it a point to say you mean in a strictly platonic way. you shouldn't be using the #zolu tag.
#like it's so frustrating to see rlly well worded posts about how poetic and close their relationship is only for there to be an obligatory#sentence tacked on saying 'just friends. they don't fuck or love that's icky. no homo. Luffy should die as the virgin mary or not at all.'#'aroace pride btw ✌️' (<- said to a room of aroaces who are sick of the speil)#like just use their character tags. or make a platonic tag or smth#ship tags are for ship content/reading of their dynamic yknow?#psii.txt#discource
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it's always "believe that the ccs talk behind the scenes" until a cc reacts negatively to drama and starts outwardly showing it. THEN suddenly stans act like ccs only look at cancel threads instead of dm-ing people they once considered friends. ALL WHILE DEFENDING A CCS INABILITY AND NEGLECT TO KEEP INTER-PERSONAL DRAMA OFFLINE AND OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE
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Im kind of starting to hate seeing 'slutty waist' fandom shit everywhere, especially when its incredibly unrealistic one inch waists. Fat waists are slutty waists too, y'all are just cowards.
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God I'm so angry about everything on the cheating scandal and what it created and quite frankly I'm putting some blame on the way Dream's been treated during drituation on the guy who ratted dream out for speedruning. a little ironic but, if the guy had just texted Dream in private like "Hey I think there's something wrong with your runs" instead of immediately taking it to public we could've gotten just a tweet from dream probably saying something like "taking down my runs, I had a mod I didn't know I had on" and not him lashing out about something he knew he didn't do.
now most of the people who believed the "victims" because "he lied in the past that he cheated in minecraft" are asking "why is he yapping about cheating in minecraft before talking about the allegations" like I'm sorry but he does have to explain his character especially when it's used against him. the speedrunning guy looked for clout, made a public video about a popular guy and created the situation as dramatic as it was. had he not created the conditions he did, Dream would've never been called a liar and more people would've listened to his response on the drituation.
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On aging up
A lot of people around here are deliberately obtuse about aging characters up. Obviously sexualizing a minor is fucked up, nobody is arguing otherwise. But a lot of you don't seem to understand what that means. Porn containing aged up characters rarely comes from a desire to fuck an underaged character. (I wont say never because this is the internet and there's always going to be the extreme outlier.)
A lot of times its an exploration of what that character would be like as an adult that just so happens to contain smut. Speculating what kind of house they'd live in, what college degree they would get, what car they would drive, who they would marry and what their kids would look like isn't a crime. And once you're already knee deep into a college/post college AU, the canon age of the characters no longer applies.
People aren't bound to our physical passage of time in fiction. If they were it would be boring as hell. Even if the original creator doesnt age the character, it doesn't make fans evil for being intrested in a reality where they do.
A good example of this in published fiction is Robin Hood. Robin Hood isnt written by one person. It's a thousand stories written by a thousand different people because it came in a time when copyright didn't exist. Folk lore and rhymes were fanfiction before there was any legal need to make that distinction. It's a pretty well understood concept that names, ages, cast members and backstories change signfigantly, with each story having its own unique plot and themes.
In much the same way a Robin Hood written by one author has an entirely different story and background than another authors Robin Hood, Fanfiction works in the same way. Every author can tell their own story and can change the details about a character to fit the themes and narrative they wish to convey. They don't need the blessing of canon to do this.
It doesn't matter if canon never showed a character as an adult because thats what the fanfiction is doing. The college AU explicitly depicts the lived experience of a broke adult grinding their way through an education in hopes of a better future. While the Author is already writing and experiencing the character in their struggles with adulthood, it's not a huge leap to ask what kind of partier they are, whether or not theyd end up in a one night stand, with who, what position.
The strawman defence of "you have to see minors in a sexual way to want to age them up in the first place." Is nonsense. Canon ages don't matter.
Speculation about the future is such a natural thing. One of the most common questions children get is "what do you want to be when you grow up?" And "Mom" or "Dad" is an answer that Ive never in my life heard a parent call inappropriate. There's so many aspects of adulthood to explore and play around in that clearly sexualization isn't a core reason to age a character up, but rather a byproduct of telling a story about adult life.
Anyway. Thanks for reading my poorly structured and fairly distracted rant. Have a nice day, drink some water.
Good vibes to you,
-Luke
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And like, listen, Punk is not the same as Emo or Metal. It's really not fair to call it a Music Based Subculture at all, honestly.
Punk music is not a genre of music that happened to become associated with a certain aesthetic, the same way Emo and Metal are.
Punk Music and Punk Aesthetic both stem from a distinct ideology and mindset. Punk music is an expression of that ideology, and Punk Fashion is the execution of that ideology in practice.
The Punk movement didn't start because some people made funky new music, the Punk movement started because people were fed up with being treated like cogs in a machine forced to break their backs and get nothing in return. Punk is anti-capitalist, leftist, anti-authoritarian rhetoric than then got EXPRESSED through music.
The music is a means to convey the message, and it's a very important aspect of punk culture, but the MESSAGE is what really fuckin matters, here.
As long as you have punk ideals you're punk, because it's the ideals that started the movement. The music is a means of expressing those ideals but there's literally thousands of other ways of doing that if the music just happens to not jive with you.
Hell, man, music just isn't that important to me, personally. I do listen to punk music, but it just isn't my main form of self-expression. My main form of self-expression happens to be narrative, and I both make and consume narratives that are anti-capitalist and anti-authoritarian and Anarchist at their core, because stories and narratives and characters just speak to me personally more than music does. I literally don't see why in the world that's any less valid a form of expressing and embracing punk ideals than the music.
And again, I have to ask: how does someone calling themselves punk without listening to the music affect you in any way, shape, or form. What does it hurt. If they have the ideals why do you give a shit what music they enjoy. Do you not have other shit to worry about bestie
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IM SORRY THIS ISNT MEANT TO BE AGGRESSIVE i have not been on this part of the internet in a long time so things might have changed but.... last i heard the proship label encompassed things (in fiction) like inc/st, abusive relationships, p/do shit, etc... is that still correct? idk if thats what you were talking about in your tags because i do not know Anything about minecraft youtubers but usually when people put proship in their dni theyre denouncing that stuff. just wanted to clarify im understanding your complaints, no harm intended!
No problem!! it can be confusing lol, nothing wrong with being unsure. All-in-all, you're kinda close with that idea, but still not on target. explanations of proship vs anti, the d/mp fandom's take on it, and my thoughts on it all under the cut:
So proship as a philosophy is about wether or not things like that (in fiction) translate to real life, which is why it's connected to censorship like i mentioned in the post- if you believe that watching or reading something problematic will make more problematic things happen, that someone reading a book with a child/adult relationship makes them more likely to (or is on it's own already the same as) a person pursuing that in real life, that makes you an anti; and it also gives you a big reason to push for works like that being taken down or removed, and for people who make or read that stuff to be put in real prisons or face other real life consequences for fictional acts- because the idea is that, to an anti, these things bleed into each other.
being proship isn't equivalent to enjoying dark fiction like that, but it IS equivalent to believing that, similar to fictional violence, fictional crimes or acts of any kind can be created and consumed by artists and audiences without people actually condoning it IRL. a proshipper would say that if someone plays a video game where they murder someone, and then does it IRL, thats on the PERSON, not the media- and they hold the same position for fictional portrayals of incest, abusive relationships, and pedophilic relationships. the name comes from being pro- as in for- ships, and other content, as a whole; without it having to meet IRL moral criteria.
dark fiction freaks me out personally; the biggest ick (and actually a trigger for me) being incest; It bothers me and i stay away from it. but I don't think that people who read or make it are going to condone it IRL directly because of that media, and I believe that if they WERE to do something bad like abusing someone, it'd be an unrelated/seperate issue: an independent choice that only they are responsible for, not anything they made or watched or read.
That makes me fall under proship, even though I don't like any problematic (as in incest, abuse, adult/minor) ships. Personally, I literally follow people who like things that bother me in that way: i just block the tags so when they post something i really don't wanna see, tumblr tells me, hey, this post has this thing in it so we've spoilered it. If someone likes shipping their silly little blorbos and those silly little blorbos are kinda fucked up in a way that makes their brain go brrr, that's totally chill with me as long as they aren't hurting anyone- which, because i don't think fiction equates to reality, I believe they aren't when they're playing with their blorbos. (and since i'm pro-rpf, it's worth mentioning i feel the same about that. rpf is still FICTION, at the end of the day. you don't actually expect those people to do the things you write or draw. it's still removed from reality. that's personal preference though, many proshippers would disagree.)
So basically proship or Anti is a label that represents your philosophy on how human thoughts and behavior link to fiction. anti means you believe that consuming something fictional is equivalent to doing it in real life, or at least will make you do it IRL later, while proship means you believe that consuming something fictional is unrelated to doing it IRL, and you can enjoy something fictionally without actually enjoying it or condoning it when it's real people.
you will, of course, see more people who enjoy dark fiction under proship, and that's because they themselves consume it- so of course they're going to say it's not the same as doing it IRL. You will also, of course, see more people who don't like dark fiction at all under anti, because when you're disgusted by something like that then that reaction can be taken as "evidence" that it's morally bad. (personally, disgust-based morality doesn't hold up as a concept for me- it's a big reason why bigots believe the things they do, so using the same logic path makes me uncomfortable, but it is still common for people to use it as a way to measure wether something is okay or not.)
so, the part about silly block game.
there's lots of censoring in this part to avoid harassment, so bear with me.
In the early days of the d/mp, people decided that creating romantic content around the b-nchtr-o (Tmmy, tvbb0, and rnb00, who were all around 16 at the time) was inherently problematic. I'm not sure why, exactly, but the idea became that a fan crushing on one of them (at the exact same age!!!) or shipping them with each other, even as characters, was equivalent to being a real life child predator. again, even if the person doing it was ALSO a minor.
because it was seen as inherently problematic, behaviors like those were lumped in with other things problematic- shipping characters on the smp who had fought or killed each other, shipping characters who were related or were minor/adult, etc. there was no distinction; i was there!! it was all problematic, and all of it was seen as evidence that you were a real life predator of some kind regardless of age or disclaimers put under your content.
the label that developed for this group of "problematic content" enjoyers within the fandom became "poppytwt" or "ppytwt". (twt being there because it was mainly localized around twitter). as i explained above, because it could be because of dark fiction OR be//htr/o content, poppytwt content and ships doesn't even require it being dark fiction necessarily, nor does it require it being b//chtr/o; just one or the other, although usually the assumption is that it's both, since that combines the two reasons for being under that label. some people also call any proshippers in the fandom poppy even if they don't engage in anything problematic in-fandom, but that's generally the antis and not people themselves. if someone self describes as poppy, it's for the two main reasons above.
Additionally, the d/mp fandom has this concept of "maintagging". what this means is that if you make problematic content, you are NOT ALLOWED to tag it under the fandoms or characters it's about, because people don't want to see it in their results. ao3 has a tag filtering feature for this exact purpose, but people generally disregaurd that; you're still not supposed to tag it on the "main" tags, and doing so is seen almost like "asking for" harassment, like how some people talk about wearing crop tops alone at night.
Tntd/o managed to cross over, actually, from poppy to main/normalized in the fandom as the creators leaned into it with their characters. but for awhile even that was considered poppy.
different members of ppytwt have different opinions on RPF, but RPF was also considered poppy on it's own sometimes depending on who you were talking to and how militant they were on what got a pass and what didn't.
as be/chtr/o aged....it didn't stop?? all of them hit 18, but still, to this day, you can be cancelled for shipping them with each other or ANYONE else. it's why i'm so damn scared of the d/mp fandom, if i tagged a fic about my source with his character tag, with ANYTHING other than platonic relationships for him/me, I run the risk of being sent threats or doxxed- don't get me wrong, many antis keep to themselves, but there are also those who try to play vigilante- remember, if something fictional is equivalent to IRL, then attacking someone for enjoying a "bad" fictional thing becomes a charitable, heroic act; so sometimes antis might pursue proshippers with the goal of keeping people "safe". Many people in related fandoms or under the same creators also adopted the same ideals handed down from the d/mp fandom, so i'm wary of people who just watch my source too, or of people who like the q/mp.
people joke about the old fandom going crazy if they say tvbb0 and tmmy today, and that's because they would. they'd be furious at tmmy for doing this bit and putting himself in danger, they'd be cancelling anyone who ran with the bit in chat or had a photo of them hugging or kissing like in the music video as a profile picture, it'd be a whole mess. even today though it's still...scary.
((paused there to take a strawberry milk break, im back now))
the somewhat exception to this rule is Rnb00- people literally thirst for them and make nsfw comments openly, so while im not sure about the shipping aspect, i do know simping is widely okay- you couldn't even say you wanted to kiss them before, but now people are saying wayyy more than that...
inversely, i feel like my source has it the worst, because people won't even talk about him- or anything related to him- as an adult. it's always child this and child that, "who let him drink" and "get the alcohol away from the baby!", and of couse "don't ship him or his character with anyone that makes you a pedophile!!!" while the grown ass man they're talking about outright says he's alright with sfw fanfiction in a video where he reacts to someone's x-reader and then makes flirty nsfw jokes with every other adult man in the vicinity. every fanfic is platonic and almost all of them both irl and in game write him as sixteen. they take place in the past or, more commonly, they just straight up age him down. hell, sometimes they even age him down to like eight. even in fics where he IS an adult, he gets called a child or a teenager but never an adult.
poppytwt, like the stigma against writing for the creators or their characters, lives on. and even outside of benchtrio, again, ships between other characters that are problematic are poppytwt, so that also is still clinging on for dear life in some corners of the web. most poppytwt posts that are tagged as such usually include b//chtr/o, but not all of them; and it's worth noting many creators avoid tagging at all even if it's just the poppytwt tag, because they don't want to get swarmed.
because I ship myself with my husband of course, and also make fictional content with our sources as an extension of that (think dungeons and dragons but the character is just you...or, actually, SMPs are a great example of this since the appearance/name is generally the same, so think like an SMP!!!!!) I am poppytwt. I will always be poppytwt to most people who don't like poppytwt. and I have friends who are poppytwt and I like art made by people under poppytwt. I don't need to ship incest to be a part of that, i just need to not think the people who do aren't doing anything harmful when they ship that, and to write/draw....well, anything about septicinnit, which i do all the time.
if someone has poppytwt dni in their bio, i can't interact. if someone has proship dni in their bio, i can't interact. it doesn't matter if what they really mean is "people who like abusive ships because that triggers me", I still can't interact.
Because i think we SHOULD be tagging our content exactly so that we can filter it and find what we personally enjoy (and avoid what we dont), the concept of a DNI is technically something i'm kinda for- it is a way of monitoring and controlling your experience- but it also can be used as an excuse to harass people who forgot to read it, and i have no way of knowing if that's the case in advance.
ADITTIONALLY, because I know and care about people who consume dark fiction, I also don't want to be around people who think that makes them a bad person, regaurdless of wether or not they think i can stay. and "proship dni" is about proship, that fiction isn't reality philosophy- they are saying right out of the gate that they think it DOES make them a bad person. and I don't agree with that. it frustrates me and it makes me upset. those DNIs are based in a place of disgust and hatred for the people I care about, because of content that isn't real, and i'm never going to feel super okay with that...
there's people who don't understand what it means and use it anyway when it's really just about the content; but again, how am i supposed to know which is which?? ESPECIALLY on twitter, the anti philosophy is extremely popular and relevant and yes, trendy. people believe it, HARD, and so i can't assume they don't when they say they do. I've met real flesh and blood people in person who think that way, so if you are using these words, i'm assuming you know what they mean- that way I don't run the risk of making an actual anti upset and violating their boundaries.
you don't have to agree with me on this- if you're anti, then that's your worldview and i'm not going to change that. but that's what those words mean, the history of the block game side of things, and how they're correlated to censorship.
To Summarize:
Anti : Fiction Equals Reality so Fictional Crimes are Real Crimes (ergo we should censor them to stop the crimes)
Proship: Fiction does NOT Equal Reality so Fictional Crimes are Harmless (on their own)
Anti-Anti: Not sure if Fictional Crimes are Harmless, but Don't Like that Antis think Proshippers are The Exact Same Level as IRL Criminals
Poppytwt/ppytwt: Problematic silly block game stuff, OR things that have to do with these three specific block people being hot/dating someone. Sometimes both.
#i made a textpost#proship please interact#proship#explaining some stuffs about words#of course another part of this is wether or not it should even be about criminality versus just the abuse itself-#-abuse is bad because it's abusive not because it's illegal-#-but that's a discussion for another day.#i already spent an hour and a half typing and re-reading this for editing/censoring#discourse#discource#discourse tw#discource cw#discourse cw#discource tw
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Hey @rittz :) this is my side blog so I’m replying to you in a post. If you want to reply to whatever I say here, then I’d really appreciate it if you just did so through reblog if that’s fine with you lol
First of all, I’m not uncomfortable with my identity whatsoever. I wouldn’t even say I exist in a middle ground either, and I’m also not uncomfortable with that fact about myself. I cannot control my identity, and I’m perfectly fine with that, but that doesn’t mean that my identity isn’t complex. I love being complex! This is especially true when talking about sexuality. Humans are complicated creatures after all, so I am no different. I actually don’t lean on any one single label to describe my sexuality, because multiple labels are able to define me in some way. I don’t know what to tell you, but I find it redundant that people expect every person on this planet to adhere to there personal expectations for any given label, especially for those in the LGBTQ+ community. I’m not apologetic about that, or the fact that I don’t fit into your personal definition for any given term. You say I’m “not actually asexual”, however, you know nothing about me besides the post that you commented on. You don’t know my life, my sexual history, or what lead me to use the label in the first place. People use labels for different reasons. Most people don’t just uses a label because it sounds cool. They choose a label that they personally feels best defines them. I am no different. Labels for my sexual identity aren’t for others to apply to me, it’s for me to apply to myself based on my own personal life experiences.
I find it funny that you have claimed to not be aphobic. However, most of the points you’ve made have been, inherently, aphobic talking points. “you’re too young”, “you don’t have the sexual experience to know”, “not being a sexual person can be normal”, and “you haven’t found the right person” are all aphobic talking points, and yet, you used all of them in some capacity. You can claim you aren’t aphobic all you want, but it’s obvious that you have internalize aphobia in some form due to how you discuss this issue. And to address these points, I’m an adult (21) whose more than capable of knowing what I want, and I have absolutely no desire for sexual intimacy with another person. It’s not that hard to understand, both for myself and for others. My age doesn’t dictate anything about my sexuality or how much I am aware of it’s affect on me, and the same goes for others in the LGBTQ+ community. I find it rude that you make assumptions about my sexual history due to my age and due to the fact that I do not fit into your personal deffiniton for “asexual”. It’s much more rude when you know you’ve said aphobic things and are inherently being exclusionist, and try to deflect it by saying you aren’t. This goes for anyone. It’s a bad argument when you say one thing while trying to make yourself look better by saying that the opposite is true. It’s not too dissimilar to “I’m not racist, but-”, though obviously, it’s not exact. You can say you aren’t trying to be rude and whatever else, but that doesn’t make what you have to say change it’s meaning into something that someone won’t take as being objectively rude.
You’re right in saying that asexual and allosexual are not sliding scales. It’s a spectrum, but that’s sexuality in general. People use labels for different reasons. Personally, I have found that using the asexual label to define me is a whole lot easier when I have to discuss my sexuality with others. If I were to go into depth, it would be an essay. I’m not going to confuse others with a long-winded response to a simple question. Telling people “I’m asexual” is more comfortable for me and for others. I also do not need to explain my sexuality in depth to anyone, and that includes you. Nobody has the right to know everything about me, let alone why I chose a specific label. That’s the whole point in labels, partially, in my opinion. A single word that can be used to define and simplify a very complex aspect of a person, that’s how I see labels.
It’s also more than strange to me that you, someone who isn’t asexual, is trying to define what the term means for us. This assumption is based on the fact that you only refer to other people as being asexual, and not yourself. If you don’t apply to this label, then who are you to tell us how we are supposed to use it? Now I could be wrong in this, if so, then let me know.
You’re also trying to imply that I imagine allosexuals as people who are always horny. Which isn’t true for me and how almost every person defines the term “allosexual”. You’re coming up with arguments that are based purely on hypotheticals. Your also implying that libido and sexual atraction are the same thing, which they aren’t. I, and anyone else, can be horny and not want to be sexually intimate and/or experience attraction. Don’t equate a biological response to stimuli that people experience and say that every time someone feels horny (or really, any form of arousal), then they are feeling sexual attraction. That’s a very dangerous way of thinking. An example for why this is true would be people with P-OCD who experience any form of arousal from their intrusive thoughts, which is quite commonly found in any sexually-themed intrusive thoughts. Key word is intrusive thoughts, as they are unwanted and people who experience these thoughts are often disgusted by them. Though it’s unwanted, they feel arousal nonetheless. This arousal does not mean they are attracted to these thoughts, or the idea of acting on them. It’s just how the brain and body work together. You can do your own research on the topic if you don’t believe me.
The LGBTQ+ community is full of labels that can change meaning depending on how an individual defines that term for themselves. An example would be calling yourself “gay”. Gay is most often used to define people who experience homosexual attraction. However, different people will use it in different ways. It doesn’t just mean that someone is a gay man or a lesbian. A lot of bisexual people, pansexual people, and others will use the term “gay” to describe themselves. People generally call themselves gay if they feel any sort of attraction, in any amount, towards someone who isn’t the opposite gender. People also commonly call themselves gay if they are attracted to agender, non-binary, and/or genderfluid people. However, for some people, when applied to that specific individual, “gay” means they are only attracted to people of the same gender. The point is, the label “gay” doesn’t just have one stagnant meaning applied to it. It all depends on how an individual is defining it for themselves, not for others. The same can be said for asexual people as well, from my personal experience with myself and the asexual community.
From my experience with people who describe themselves using “asexual”, or any other label under the ace umbrella, their lack of sexual attraction has a much larger role in their sexuality than any sort of feeling of allosexuality does. Aceflux, grey ace, and demisexual are all a few examples of labels people use when they fit into the ace spectrum in some fashion. If you try to argue that these well established labels for peoples’ sexualities do not exist, then I cannot feel comfortable arguing about this with you. It is not appropriate to discuss the existence of other people and their experience with their sexuality in a way that at all insinuates that they are “wrong” or that these sexualities “do not exist”.
I typically use the label “aegosexual” because I fit into that term to the T. However, most people don’t know what that word even is. I also don’t want to explain it to people constantly. Because it fits under the asexual umbrella, I just use “asexual” when I’m in the real world. Or, I just say “queer”. It’s really not a big deal and it doesn’t hurt people. It doesn’t even muddle the original term in any fashion, from my standpoint at least, because it tells people “oh, this person doesn’t like sex, doesn’t have sex, and doesn’t wish to have sex”, which is true for me. That’s all it needs to be, and I don’t owe people any more than that, or even anything if I really think about it.
Quite frankly, anyone who tries to tell me what I’m allowed to call myself based on my perception of my own life experiences is a fool to me. I’m a random internet stranger, and people only know me based on my posts. I don’t post every aspect about myself, and I don’t need to either. If I find a different label that better defines me, then I will use that one. Or if I find that something about my sexuality changes in the future, then I will change my label. But right here, in this moment, this is the label that I feel best defines me. Nobody is going to convince me that I’m wrong about something I’ve had to live with my whole life. I don’t tell you what you can call yourself, you shouldn’t tell me what to call myself either.
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