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sweetestpopcorn · 3 months

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The Blacks and the Greens 🐉 by the beyond talented and patient and every compliment imaginable @lupotterdraws featuring (from left to right) Princess Helaena Targaryen, Prince Daeron Targaryen, Prince Aemond “One Eye” Targaryen, Queen Alicent Hightower, Prince Aegon “The Elder” Targaryen, and their graces King Viserys I Targaryen, (his favourite child) the Princess of Dragonstone Rhaenyra Targaryen “The Realm’s Delight” and last but not least her beloved uncle and husband Prince Daemon Targaryen, “The Rogue Prince”

Thank you from here to the moon and back Lu! You are as talented as Balerion’s fires were hot 🐉🔥

PS: asoiaf characters, these can only be found in the books and not in a certain lizard show

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thesilverlady · 11 months

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Do you think they fucked up helaegon in the show? Also i loathe what they did to Helaena's character, like she is barely a character at this point. Hating being touched and love insects is not a personality. But apparently greens like what the show did with Helaena. Greens so boring how can you think that when a show erase the agency of females characters (Alicent, Helaena) that means they're fixing the "misogyny biases of the historians"

sadly yes anon 😔 I mean, I know in f&b we don't get any indication of how the dynamic between Helaena & Aegon was as children (if it even existed) but it's one of these things the show could have made to flesh them out. Instead of altering canon, why not add missing pieces?

in theory, helaegon could still be saved in s2 because last time we saw them Aegon took power (and was quite happy about it as soon as he got people to cheer) Helaena was visible shaken as the crown was placed on his head, and ofc you have the whole b&c coming up. So, if I was a writer there's a bunch of things I could do with this. There's a lot of unexplored areas.

Will they do it? that's the question. Streets are saying b&c will happen in ep2/3 so that's definitely very early. Obviously it's a rumor so we can't completely be certain. But the episodes have already been shortened and the show already proved they don't care about the political/family drama that the dance is based on, and they're obsessed with action and war/dragon scenes so I personally wouldn't be surprised if b&c does in fact happen by ep2 or 3.

I too don't like at all what they did with Helaena's character. Honestly, the way they've altered all the female characters (Rhaenyra, Alicent, Helaena, Mysaria) or minimized others (baela, rhaena) show how misogynistic the writers are. For Helaena, I've been told time and time again how "her character is already small in the book so there wasn't much to do with in the show". Which I disagree because while yes, her role was small, there are stuff they could have toyed with in the show to make the fate of the characters hit you harder.

for example, when Rhaenyra is ready to pardon her siblings Helaena is the only to have a sweet endearment attached to her name, when we're told Viserys' relationship with his children and his daughters are the only who he seems to favor, when the Kingsguards search for Aegon she seems at ease and almost sassy about it. So what was her relationship with Rhaenyra? If she managed to establish a semi positive one it indicates how Alicent's grip wasn't as tight on her (which fits, given the fact Alicent is more worked on having Aegon and Aemond be the focus of attention because of her one sided beef she has with Rhaenyra). What was her relationship with Aegon? Definitely not an abusive one otherwise grrm would have hinted it, did she have any friends at court? she must have. were they monitored by Alicent? most likely. Did queenship change her in any way before b&c?

So, yeah, her role was small in canon but in an adaptation there are a tons of things to do with her. And a bug-loving lady with touch aversion and prophetic dreams that have no impact on the plot or on her is less that the bare minimum.

The dance as a part of f&b hurts because by the point the reader reaches it they've seen how much house targaryen has suffered through the years and rhaenyra (to which I personally consider a main character of the dance) is also the most tragic one. So in an adaptation of that era, an important key is establishing who these characters are and what dynamic they have with easy other. With every single character as well as

Helaena/helaegon's cause the opportunity was taken away when s1 was rushed, filled with time skips and altering dynamics and characters

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lullaebies · 9 months

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headcanon: aegon ii has mocking-affectionate nicknames for all of his family. the tradition started with aemond "twat" targaryen, helaena "idiot" targaryen, and daeron "squirt" targaryen, and continued to his sons with jaehaerys adequately named "twerp" and maelor being "brat". only jaehaera gets a pass because his daughter is a sweetie and also the only person that doesn't bully him lmao

#yes his boys bully him 100%#they just didn't get a chance to in canon #aegon ii targaryen #aemond targaryen #helaena targaryen #daeron targaryen #jaehaerys targaryen #maelor targaryen #jaehaera targaryen #daeron the daring #my headcanons #hotd #team green

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drakaripykiros130ac · 15 days

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There is constant Green propaganda and horrible artwork in this fandom, portraying Rhaenyra as overweight, and many times, even obese.

And yet, in the official portraits commissioned by GRRM himself, we see that although she is no longer as slim as she once was when she was young, her weight is pretty normal (considering that she had six pregnancies).

I mean, look at her:

How is this woman fat?

Aegon and Helaena, however, are both shown to be overweight, just like their father:

If you hate Rhaenyra, that’s fine. But use actual arguments.

People should stop resorting to body shame in order to prove a point (especially when the comments made about that person’s weight are based on lies).

I personally have never seen TB fans make fun of Aegon the Usurper or Helaena for the fact that they are both obviously overweight. TG stans, however, constantly bring up Rhaenyra’s supposed weight (as if it’s supposed to mean something).

Make it make sense.

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fatum679 · 2 months

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Viserys & Aemma Aemond & Helaena

Like father, like son.

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lizzie-queenofmeigas · 12 days

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Being a male character in ASOIAF is the EASIEST SHIT EVER. You may be a sex pest, you may be an utter fool who never had a good idea in his life, you may lose to a teenager on a dragon the size of a horse, you may be pathetically poisoned by your own men, but you will still be showered with praise and admiration. But if you’re a woman or teenage girl who makes a single mistake, tho ? You’re gonna be crucified.

There is a lot of misogyny in the asoiaf fandom. Many in the fandom seem to hate active women (Arya, Dany, Lyanna, Rhaenyra) and prefer passive women instead (Sansa, Elia, Helaena and Alicent) and while I've seen many saying that they would cheer for Alicent if she poisoned her husband and put her son on the throne these same people hate Cersei and Lysa for doing just that.

They have some weird Madonna-Whore Complex and they should be studied.

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #asoiaf fandom #canon asoiaf #arya stark #daenerys targaryen #lyanna stark #cersei lannister #rhaenyra targaryen #lysa arryn #not tagging Elia Sansa Helaena and Alicent because their stans would attack me #fandom misogyny #anti sansa stans #anti alicent hightower

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rosalinesurvived · 29 days

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F&B didn’t literally, explicitly spell out that Daeron was the gentlest of Alicent’s children for TB stans to see Helaena as autistic coded and suddenly insist that she’s the most uwu sweetest most preciousest cinnamon roll to ever cinnamon roll and gosh almighty how her entire family ruined her!!!! As an excuse to explain that murdering her baby infront of her was aokay.

#the infantilisation of helaena… is fucking gross #if you love canon so much thdn why dont you go read it?#also this! from those pro who cry gurl power! its only ever girl power when its the blacks huh #pro team green #helaena targaryen #alicent hightower #daeron targaryen #anti team black #anti rhaenyra targaryen #hotd #blood and cheese #fire and blood #aegon ii targaryen #aemond targaryen

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bbygirl-aemond · 1 year

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HotD confirms Aemond is not the father of Helaena's children

Hello everyone I'm back to talk again about the fact that some people think Aemond is actually the father of some or all of Helaena's children and how it simply isn't true (in the series at least). In my previous discussion here mostly kept to whether that idea was in-character for Aemond (I don't think it is), but I was doing some digging re the HotD intro sequence and found definitive, canonical proof that he is not. I'll explain more below, but this is canon confirmation that Aegon, not Aemond, is the father of all three of Helaena's children. So the idea that in the show Aemond is the kids' father is not a theory, it's not canon-compliant, it's not even canon-possible. It's straight up not true.

I'm drawing on two different posts by @travllingbunny and @mejacinta that analyze the opening sequence over the course of Season 1 here. First, I'll prove that the sigils and their connections represent blood relations, not marriages. Then, I'll show how the sigils confirm Aegon as the father of Helaena's children.

Okay so first: Proving that the sigils represent actual lineages, not just marriages. Our case study here will be Rhaenyra and her three eldest children. If the intro was meant to show marriages, the three eldest kids would receive inputs from both Rhaenyra and Laenor's sigils, and no inputs from Harwin's sigil. But as we follow Rhaenyra's bloodline, there's no evidence of any sigil for Laenor- instead, Rhaenyra's blood combines with Harwin's and then branches out into the three children. It's a little hard to see in one image because of the camera moving, but here's Harwin's sigil combining with the blood streaming from Rhaenyra's:

So again, the sigils show who is biologically related to who, and expose any affairs within marriages. If Aemond is really Helaena's baby daddy, the intro sequence will portray that.

Now, let's look at Helaena's children, and who their biological father is. Aemond's sigil (far right, image of the sapphire eye) doesn't lead anywhere, because Aemond has no children. Helaena's sigil (far left, image of a spider) instead joins with Aegon's sigil (middle, image of a maiden):

Helaena and Aegon's combined trail of blood then branches out in order to produce three children:

This means that Jaehaerys, Jaehaera, and Maelor are all canonically Aegon's biological children.

Remember, the intro shows actual biology, so if Aemond was meant to have had an affair with Helaena, we would have seen his bloodline connecting with hers. But it didn't, because he didn't father her kids.

So yeah you guys can ship what you want, but the notion that Aemond is the father of Helaena's kids isn't a "theory" within House of the Dragon, because it's been very clearly disproven by the show itself.

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lovl3igh · 23 days

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@ viserys targaryen

i don't really understand what's the point of making viserys and daemon neglectful fathers in the show... yeah like daemon is around his girls a lot (especially baela in her childhood) and ig we could say he cares for his children with nyra, touching her tummy, searching for eggs, even clearly supporting luke and jace and their claim

but then we have rhaena's "father ignores me". we have scene when he hugs them after laena's death but it get cut so does it really count? we have him ignoring the fact his daughters were hurt during fight with aemond. he talks about dragonriders and unclaimed dragons and rhaena becomes uncomfortable (and it might means nothing for her relation with daemon but still). he ignores nyra in her labour (which is weirder when you think about jace's question. where is daemon? as if he expected him there. as if daemon was by nyra's side when she was giving birth to viserys and aegon, just like he was with laena. yes, he now plans the war to protect them but also he's wife may be dying). caring daemon - cut! comforting rhaenyra? cut! mourning visenya? cut! finding out about luke? cut!

it seems like his character as a father (i already complained about daemon as a husband lmao) was written very inconsistent, writers wanted to show he's a family guy after all but really damaged his relationship with his children, especially his own ones, as if caring for family claims were more important than themselves for him

less with viserys but still. he was never a good father, not even in the books but his character was damaged his too (especially with rhaenyra). we see him celebrating aegon's birthday, touching alicent's belly, watching his kids and grandkids training etc and after that we have "rhaenyra, my only child"?? dear gods (poppy milk blah blah whatever). not even commenting on his behaviour towards aemond and aegon on driftmark (yeah, one just commitet a treason and the other was drunk but dude wtf). helaena didn't give a fck about him while in the book she visited him regularly with her children. the fact he doesn't even know his daughter is a dreamer (that one also... ehh)? that he doesn't talk with aemond even though they both love history??

what truly bothers me that daemon is supposed to be a grey character but in the show if he wasn't in team black which is more "morally right" and also politically correct about claim to the throne we'd say he's fully antagonist cause of the crimes he commited and his good moments (as brother, father, husband) are really reduced

viserys and daemon are not good people, period. they have many flaws we could see clearly in books and show. i just can't understand why creators decided to destroy their characters as fathers (especially daemon) as if they needed to show this way that they're both bad men*. it's very one dimensional - you're bad man, then you're also bad husband, bad father, bad brother, bad friend. which is even more stupid when you see these big gestures that should prove otherwise (viserys coming to the throne room, daemon ensuring jace's claim or killing vaemond in nyra's protection etc)

*this confuses me much, viserys is shown as a "good guy" most of the time even after what he did to the realm, aemma or alicent, as peaceful king, family guy, who loves them all so dearly, but looks like him neglacting other children could in any way help rhaenyra being seen more as a rightful heir to watchers? idk unnecessary and speaks volumes, apparently as watchers we're stupid bc we don't see viserys is terrible (oh bc how could he be? he married 15yo instead of 12yo - i'm gonna write sth about these age changes too cause seven hells - such a good guy) after rping two girls and basically killing his wife at very least so they need to show us deadbeat father

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sugar-and-pearls · 7 months

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"it was well known that the princess Helaena was fond (and some others would say more than fond) of her cousin and lady in waiting, Lady Megette. The two could aften be fond side by side and with matching jewellery.

Though dark of hair and dark of eyes, it can not be said that rouge prince's eldest daughter did not live up to her father's legacy. It is now common knowledge of how Lady Megette stole into her lady's room and spirited away Princess Helaena in the dead of night, the day before her wedding to her brother Aegon. Flying to Essos where they stated for a number of years. The two were only brought back to Westeros with the King's ailing health. Where the they reconnected with the oldest Velaryon prince, Jacaerys.

When again plans were make to marry Princess Helaena off to her elder brother, the two disappeared as if into thin air. It was only found out later on that the two fled to Dragonstone and both wedded in a Valyrian ceremony to Prince Jacaerys.

When asked all the Prince was quoted to have said was, "Many people are lucky to have found one great love in their life. How fortunate then am I to have found two"

-An excerpt from “Fire and Blood,” by Archmaester Gyldayn:

Art done by the lovely @murmel-malt, if your interested I would highly recommend looking at her page.

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sweetestpopcorn · 2 months

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Hi popcorn! Firstly I love your fics, they are such a wild ride lol and you can tell how much effort you’ve put into them. I found it interesting to have the Aegon/Helaena match be suggested by Otto, I’d always imagined it as Alicent’s idea to show their “Targaryen-ness” to the world. In your fic, who was Alicent considering for Argon’s wife instead do you think, since she knew he would someday need a “Queen”. Or was she just not thinking that far ahead lol

Hi there 😊 and sorry for this delay.

Thank you so much for your beyond kind words, and yes, it was much effort 🥲

I do believe the idea came from Otto in canon (Fire&Blood - asoiaf) so I wanted to keep it the same here. Otto was always the "head" behind the Greens, the one actually trying to do something and to move the pieces to first try to name Aegon as heir - before being dismissed in 109 AC - and then trying to name him king - in 129 AC. Alicent was always too preoccupied with finding ways to insult and spread rumours about Rhaenyra - e.g., "Do keep trying, eventually you might get one who looks like you." and "Ser Criston protects the princess from her enemies but who protects the princess from Ser Criston" - but she actually did very little that was useful to their cause. The only thing she actually did that was a smart move was getting Criston Cole to their side, but again, this is painted more as something to spite Rhaenyra, and having a good ally comes second.

I can actually see it being maybe part Otto for wanting to give Aegon a Targaryen wife to have Targaryen children - as noted by Lord Beesbury it did seem like not being full Targaryen/being less Targaryen than Rhaenyra could be used against him so this would be a smart move - and part maybe Eustace who was the court's confessor and liked Aegon as an attempt to get him to behave (i.e., stop sleeping around so much and being so lazy). Indeed, this is posed in "Fire and Blood" as one of the reasons to wed Aegon to Helaena, that being a husband and father could "calm him down" in a sense. Job well failed as we know, but to his credit, we have no evidence of Aegon mistreating Helaena, and actually evidence that he seemed to care for her a little bit (e.g., being jealous when Jacaerys asked to dance with her) and also for his children. He went half mad himself when Jaehaerys died, drinking to numb his pain, so he wasn't an unfeeling monster by any sense.

At the end of the day though, the final decision belonged to the King, but no doubt the Small Council would support this, even because, the vast majority for them with the death of Lord Lyonel Strong in 120 AC where Greens, and this was what Viserys decided. And mind you, he had had a 13 year old wife who had problems in the birthing bed for being bedded to soon, but that didn't stop him from wedding 13 year old Helaena off to Aegon.

Father of the Year 🙄

As for the second part of your question, Aegon was still only 15. I don't think Alicent was considering who he was to marry just yet.

PS: Asoiaf canon and characters only, so please leave the lizard redacted show out of it. Thanks!

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ladybug023 · 1 year

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Aemond with Vhagar: LETS KILL THEM ALL VHAGAR! DRACARYS!

Vhagar: *terrifying roar*

Helaena with Dreamfyre: This is Lois the ladybug. Did you know that ladybugs have six legs, two eyes, and two feelers?

Dreamfyre: *Listening intensely and nodding along*

#helaena targaryen #dreamfyre #aemond targaryen #vhagar #this is canon #house of the dragon

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ladyofthebears · 4 months

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Okay! Here is the official announcement of the main pairing for my upcoming untitled House of The Dragon fic.

Drum roll please-

My fic will be centered around the pairing of Jacaerys, Helaena, and Baela. To be clear- this is not Jacaerys being with both of these women separately like Aegon the conqueror (though lets be clear, i fully believe the conquerors where in a HEALTHY and LOVING triad as well), all three of them are in a relationship with the other equally. I am going by semi book accurate ages for the end of the dance making Helaena 20, Jace 18, and Baela 17. Nothing explicitly sexual will be happening whilst any of these characters are underage. This fic has a lot of unexpected story beats and has canon divergences. My goal is to stay true to the at times scandalous behaviours of hotd, whilst making it has okay by the modern standard as possible without betraying the source material.

There are a few major plot lines that i need help hammering out so if you are interested in being a sounding board for this fic- let me know :)

Enclosed are some pieces of art for each character. Artist credits to follow:

Helaena by @artreflex

Baela and Rhaena by @fate221

Jacaerys by @yaerenart

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drakaripykiros130ac · 23 days

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One thing that I truly dislike about the show is how the writers attempt to victimize the Greens and gather sympathy for them, with the non-canon idea that out of his children, Viserys only ever loved Rhaenyra.

Yes, Rhaenyra is his favorite child (I personally think that all parents tend to have favorites, but most don’t openly express it like Viserys did), but that doesn’t mean that Viserys didn’t care about his other children as well.

In GRRM’s canon, it is clearly stated that Viserys spent a lot of time with Helaena and her kids, especially when he grew ill.

Aegon and Aemond were both rotten apples from the start, so I don’t blame Viserys for disliking them. He saw right through them. He made comparisons between them and Rhaenyra’s boys and of course, Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey looked better. And Daeron was away in Oldtown for most of his life, so Viserys didn’t really have a chance to build a relationship with him.

So, no, Viserys was not a neglectful father to Alicent’s children. There was no preference in terms of whose children they all were (Aemma’s or Alicent’s). They all reap what they sow. To Viserys, Rhaenyra and Helaena were the only decent children he had, and with whom he could spend time with. Had Aegon not been a despicable pig, and Aemond a twisted little psycho, they might have had better relationships with their father.

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fatum679 · 10 months

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Heard you, saw you, felt you, gave you Need you, love you, love you, love you

«Father!» «Aemond Aemond Daddy»

I followed you in I was with you there I invited you in Twice, I did You love blood too much But not like I do Not like I do

Helaena panicked so much and was scared. There is fear in her eyes and she is waiting for her mother's reaction. Alicent is shocked.

When Aemond enters the room, Helaena immediately comes to life. 💎🕷💘

Amazing acting!

House of the dragon 1x09

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chiaracognigniart · 4 months

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The Doom in our blood comes back character portrait - Day N 14 Helaena the Gentle "Princess Helaena Targaryen is the only sister of Queen Rhaenyra I and the sister-wife to Aegon II Targaryen , with whom she had four children: the twins Jaehaerys and Jaehaera, Maelor and at the end of the third book Alysanne. She also has two other younger brothers, Daeron Targaryen and Aemond Targaryen . During the Dance of the Dragons, she had been Queen for barely seven months, for this reason, she was called "the Seven Month Queen". After the Civil War, because of the help she gave to her sister Rhaenyra, she and her children's lives were spared and we're allowed to continue to live in the court. She also become one of the Ladies in waiting of the new Queen. Helaena was the second dragonrider to bond with Dreamfyre."

-from the wiki

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