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lesbian pirate remus x mermaid sirius <3
so late to this trend but i mean… look at them ..
#FINALLY FINISHED#so happy.#i cannot do backgrounds though im sorry#i tried#marauders fanart#marauders#sirius black#remus lupin#wolfstar#marauders era#the marauders#dead gay wizards#pirate remus/mermaid sirius#pirate au#marauders au#wolfstar fanart#wolfstar au#artbyace#my art#procreate#digital art#lesbian wolfstar
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Picrew chain bc it's cute
Npt (trying not to bother all my mutuals): @artbyace @bookishirishdancer @cazzythefrogking @half-cold-coffee @inprogresspleasewait @jmagnabo92 @kat-m-toast @lackadaisicallizard @literallytoogaytofunction @marauders-everything2 @my-beloved-fandoms @my-castles-crumbling @ninaisnotgerman @orchideous-nox @permanentlyexaustedpigeon @popspoo @reggiecantswimm @reggie-the-inferi @rosemelodyshah @siriuslydontknow @siriusly-remu @siriustar8 @soliloquy-dawn @spookymoonie @star4daisy @starchaser-lily @starsarestories + anyone
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💌 send this to the twelve nicest people you know or who seem to have a good heart and if you get five back you must be pretty awesome.💌
oh that's a cute game ofc i'll do it tysm!! (is it alright to tag instead of send or am i ruining the thing (im always tagging so tell me if i should send))
💕: @crikey01 @captainspectrumreportingforduty @brokendoor16 @vellichorius @unabashedlyboopynightmare @bildadthefuckingshuite @badaziraphaletakes @artbyace @plumbum-art @hg-aneh @nightoftheldead @aejiee
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Ugly crying & the marauders generation - a pseudo-scientific approach (my marauders crying PhD abstract)
Abstract
In recent days, there have been a variety of claims as to who the prettiest and ugliest crier in the marauders generation could be. This paper aims to address the recent surge in opinions on the matter, and categorize different approaches as well as add a new approach to the scientific examination of ugliness/prettiness when it comes to crying. I hope to provide readers with an overview of the current state of research and encourage all marauders scholars to add their own and I intend to make a contribution to the discourse by committing to the bit and writing a pseudo-academic paper about it instead of actually working on my thesis.
Introduction
In the following paper, the discourse about 5 marauders era characters will be examined in regards to their various levels of perceived ugliness whilst crying. Scholars who may ask why Peter [Pettigrew] is not included in this analysis are advised to refer to acclaimed marauders ugly crying scholar @lynxindisguise's (2023) original poll on the popular blogging website "tumblr.com" which did not include Peter, but rather two non-marauders characters named Lily and Regulus. This paper will follow that approach, since Peter is the nastiest skank bitch I have ever met, I do not trust him and he is a fugly slut. The characters included in this approach are as follows: James Potter, Lily Evans, Sirius Black, Remus Lupin and Regulus Black.
Following the scientific criteria for ugly crying, as stated by lynxindisguise et. al (2023), the question of the ugliest crier can be answered by observing the crying person and assessing their ugly-levels on the following parameters: (1) unbecoming facial expressions, (2) facial swelling/blotching, (3) unsettling noises, (4) snot factor, (5) tear volume, (6) general loss of dignity, (7) glistening eyes/lashes, (8) Victorian heroine factor, (9) elegant tear-wiping, (10) post-cry glow (ibid).
Criteria (1)-(6) can be categorized as the ugly crying parameters whereas (7)-(10) are pretty crying parameters, creating a false binary between ugly and pretty crying, which may be problematised and addressed in another the paper. In contrast to lynxindisguise’s original 10 criteria to measure the aesthetics of crying, this paper proposes to add (11) explosiveness of cry as another ugly crying parameter, in order to get a more clear assessment of where on the ugly-pretty crying scale a character falls.
The ugly crying parameters
(1) Unbecoming facial expressions
James Potter is mentioned in this category by several marauders scholars: @jaylienpotter talks about his red face and ugly sobbing, @artbyace mentions his “scrunched up cry face” and @sectoren claimes “james (…) is that one handsome guy that when the waterworks get going becomes like. Cartoonishly ugly”, raising the question of upkeeping toxic masculinity in order to avoid having to witness more of James Potter’s crying “mug”.
Though James Potter features heavily in this category, another character who is also mentioned just as often is Remus Lupin: @kaaaaaaarf, @appreciatedmoron and @http-starboy all emphasise that Remus Lupin is the one with a red and blotchy face.
(2) facial swelling/blotching
While there is a definitive overlap between the categories of facial swelling/blotching, unbecoming facial expressions and snot factor, Sirius’ and Regulus’ victorian heroine complexions, which give them an advantage in the homonymous category, may be to their disadvantage in the “blotching” category. This will require further research by other scholars.
(3) unsettling noises
James Potter is mentioned in this category by Jaylienpotter (2023), claiming he not only hiccups when crying but also that “his cries are one of the most heartbreaking things you’ll ever hear” and similarly, artbyace states that “James loves and feels so loudly”, whereas “Sirius is silent”, both sentiments are reminiscent of znelda’s (2023) statements that James “was allowed to feel his emotions freely in a loving household” and “Sirius (…) [is] used to hide [his] feelings and [has] become stoic”.
With several other scholars, among them also @jamesunderwater (2023) raising the point that James may be the ugliest crier due to him being “the only one well adjusted enough to have access to his feelings” this raises the question of possibly introducing another category, maybe of emotional awareness/stability to be able to measure this parameter more efficiently, though emotional vulnerability may also just be a part of the unsettling noises parameter, suggesting that there is a correlation between noisiness and the existing environment being welcoming to and accepting of various expressions of emotions.
(4) snot factor
The most popular winner in the snot factor category seems to be Remus Lupin, with several scholars agreeing that his sobs are the dampest and snottiest out of all the candidates. kaaaaaaarf (2023) writes “he turnes all red and blochty and snot drips out of his nose (…) he cant (sic) not cry with his mouth open as well so there is a lot of spit”, and appreciatedmoron (2023) agrees with kaaaaaaarf on this.
It only seems right to me to include spit in the snot category as well, seeing as they’re both crying-related bodily fluids that add to the ugly-cry factor. http-starboy (2023) also mentions snot in regards to Remus Lupin, which compared to both their comments in (1) opens up the question of how unbecoming facial expressions, more particularly redness of the face and snot factor may be related, as several authors seem to write about both specifically in relation to each other. Whether this is just pure coincidence or not would need further research, for which we currently do not have enough funding. This is only one of the many research gaps in the relatively new field of marauder’s ugly crying studies, which cannot fully be addressed in this paper.
James Potter is also mentioned in the snot category, namely by the marauders scholar artbyace (2023).
(5) tear volume
Artbyace (2023) claims James Potter is “full on bawling” which can only be assumed to refer to tear volume, but the most convincing argument for tear volume comes from the acclaimed marauders scholar @fruityindividual (2023), stating that “tsunami warning tones go off in sirius’ brain anytime remus is close 2 (sic) tears” which already indicates high levels of tear volumes. The author then goes on to specify the volume by claiming that “indeed the ocean wishes rj lupin would jump in and help contribute 2 (sic) rising sea levels”, further emphasizing the volume of Remus's tears.
(6) general loss of dignity
@pastaplatypus (2023) writes about James Potter not being able to do a Melodramatic Bollywood Cry, which is perceived as inherently racist by the crier.
I would like to argue that Sirius Black also deserves to be mentioned in this category. While as of today, with less than 1 hour left to vote, 15.5% of voters agree that Sirius is the ugliest crier, the more outspoken voices all argue for different ugly criers. Due to their upbringing, I am tempted to name both Black brothers in the “loss of dignity” category and look forward to reading future contributions to this discussion.
The pretty crying parameters
(7) glistening eyes/lashes
Undoubtedly Sirius Black deserves to be mentioned in this category. I believe his dark lashes and glimmering eyes are part of what makes him the prettiest crier. Whereas Remus’s eyes also sometimes glisten or appear red, and it is usually attributed to be caused by drug consumption, which more often than not is a wrong assumption, but he happily goes along with the pretense of being a weed-smoking bad boy in order to hide his ugly crying damp tendencies.
(8) Victorian heroine factor
It almost seems superfluous to even mention Sirius (and, to a lesser degree, Regulus) Black in this category. This category was made for Sirius, as is apparent when reading lynxindisguises (2023) description of the victorian heroine factor, in response to a question by the scholar @plecotusauritus:
“the Victorian Heroine Factor is a deeply scientific assessment of the Vibes. Is this person giving tragically beautiful, windswept Victorian Heroine, sobbing gently into their hands while sprawled across a boulder or a well or a fountain of some sort? When they look up at you, do their tear-plumped lips part elegantly as a single tear slides down their cheek?”
(9) elegant tear-wiping
There hasn't been a lot of research in this area, but I would like to propose handkerchiefs with embroidered initials and family crests as another potential factor in favor of the Black brothers scoring high marks in this category as well as the Victorian heroine factor.
(10) post-cry glow
Artbyace (2023) claims “lily is always beautiful (…) even when crying”, which is echoed by znelda’s (2023) earlier claim that “Lily (…) [is] a woman and no woman is ugly when crying.”
Sirius is the other popular choice by marauders scholars for this category, with @in-flvx (2023) stating that he “handsomely handsomes while dying after 12 years of torture hell and another year in shackles”, which would mean that “a few tears would[n’t] stop him from being the hottest person in the room at all times” (ibid).
Additional parameters
I am suggesting to introduce an additional metric in order to further specify and better assess the ugly-crying levels:
(11) explosiveness of cry
@felixantares (2023) introduces the idea that Remus “is the type that very few people have been seen cry because he ignores every difficult emotion hes (sic) ever had (…) and it all explodes at once and its horrible to watch when he breaks down”, a sentiment shared by several of the other authors mentioned above in various other categories.
Further opinions & conclusions
The most popular consensus seems to be that Sirius cannot be the ugliest crier, sometimes also in direct comparison to his brother: @spindrifters (2023) answers the question of the ugliest crier with “obviously it’s regulus”, elaborating that “at least [it’s] definitely not sirius bc (sic) reg is canonically less handsome in all ways” which brings up the question if regular beauty plays into ugly crying. This is contrasted by lynxindisguises argument, that Sirius may be an ugly crier because he’s so gorgeous, and his ugly crying subverts the expectations of beauty:
“the most beautiful man alive looks hideous while crying, and his deeply awkward and perpetually damp bf (sic) is literally in his element while crying – dampness becomes him, you might say.”
This statement raises yet another question – does regular crying make the crier more or less ugly? Can an ugly crier become a pretty crier by practice or are we all born either ugly or pretty criers, condemned to this fate for life?
While this paper has given an overview of the current state of research to ugly crying/pretty crying, it has also raised many more questions. Other topics which may be addressed in future papers also include the philosophical question whether ugly crying is in the eye of the beholder and if it is possible to ugly cry without being perceived, and if it is possible to ugly cry if the person perceiving you doesn’t find it ugly. Since the research field of ugly crying is a relatively new one, we can only hope to read many more opinions on these and other topics in the future, and I look forward to reading different scholar’s approaches to these highly relevant topics.
#marauders#idek what to tag this as lol#i don't write fic i only write pseudo scientific papers on fandom analysis (apparently) lol i had so much fun writing this#even if just 1 person reads it i'll be happy i know it's ridiculous#scientific analysis of ugly crying#akso i tried to tag everyone i mentioned to make it feel more like i'm actually quoting them (which i am) but if anyone doesn't want to be#tagged in this lmk and i'll remove it haha#anyways okay i'll post it now#this is what happens when i go on tumblr during work hours and then keep thinking about how much more fun editing papers would be if they#were about the marauders instead of the things i have to read/edit at work#hp#remus lupin#sirius black#james potter#lily evans#regulus black#(this thing has almost 2k words and i wrote it in 2-3hours)#idek what that says about me#that this is how i chose to spend my tuesday evening#but i love it
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happy new years!
thank you to each and every one of you for making this year special :) i know this account has died down quite a lot over the past few months but i honestly treasure every moment it's brought me
i've met so many amazing people, some of the best friends i've ever had and the love of my life, i've grown as a person and become more comfortable in my art and my writing, and i've been able to connect with myself better
this is not me saying goodbye by any means i'm just reflecting and so grateful for the impact tumblr has had on my 2023
reading and writing fanfiction, making fanart, engaging in the tumblr marauders fandom, and branching out improved my year and helped me through some really tough times so thank you :)
thank you for helping me make this a year i've enjoyed looking back on
i love you all!!
see you soon,
hag <3
a few people who (knowingly or not) made my year: @where-is-vivian @effiepotterisamilf @malakiwis @definitelynotttheo @not-rab @lostforgottenspaces @risetherivermoon @mo0n-water @calamitoustide @withtheoldstars @idkkkjustgay @vini213 @aroacelilyevans @artbyace @olivers-cocoapuffs @apricusapollo @floralembarrassment @ye-olde-trojan-horse @bellathethirstybitch @greenvlvetcouch @nothing-like-a-mad-woman @itsm3m00n @underburningstars @casstration @oesker @deadly-moonlit-embarrassment
#happy new year#new year#2024#love letters from hag#new tag ig :)#me being sappy#who could've guessed#vivian tag!!#drac's corner!#this tag is theoretical#kairannosaurus rex tag#ex ex ex wife tag >:(#slipped on a SOCK#lemon pie#vini fan club#so much to look back on#from my first fic (do you wanna build a snowman)#to sexy lamp day#to my first posted smut#to jellies#to the strawberry ice cream wars#to the mysterious hag plan#and beyond
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Jamie @you-need-not-apply has been banned/blocked out again!
If ive missed any mutuals of Jamie please @ them and could people @ the people i couldnt for some reason?
Jamie asked for me to do this
@savagesyeah @stardustlixie @notanevildorito @sithslords @kevaaronday @bellathethirstybitch @timdrakemybeloved @discoveredreality @lazytacohologram @rainandcigarettes @wweasleyhp @wolfstar-4-ever @lewis-the-quack @that-bitch-kat3 @tiredsiriussimp @orchideous-nox @saintchaser @johnwolflockstar @auberginequirky @plumchaos @lavendercraze @crimsonblazes-blog @jaylienpotter @finchiedddd @awokenbydreams @starsarestories @siriuslystargazing @4ever-merlin @artbyace @mysticalthingphantom @cally-s @maraudersversion @my-beloved-fandoms @chace-vito @jazblack26 @none-of-it-was-accidental @ill-tell-mine-youre-gayyy @honamiiskinnie @chuckyslivinghell @bevilbargains @my-castles-crumbling @jegulusposts @honestlycasualarcade @moonthemagical @flowerskull-tobi @coffeeadaykeepsthesleepaway
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YESSSS THANK YOU for the tags @wordknowntoallmen and @1hudsonangel !!! ;__; I always get so happy when I see that purple mention notif<3
Merfolk Creator <<<<<<
np tgs @wanderingdonut @underburningstars @chace-vito @squintclover @mkaugust @crying-lightningx @cryhavocc @starchaserdreams @deermessrs @deadgayfurrywizardsinthe70s @fruity-individual @mblematic @spookymoonie @sandrawstuff @loop-deloo @artbyace @cannabis-major @cymraegremus
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MUTUALS THROUGH @theres-an-endless-starry-sky
I follow everyone who follows me there so heres a list
@savagesyeah
@stardustlixie
@notanevildorito
@sithslords
@kevaaronday
@bellathethirstybitch
@timdrakemybeloved
@discoveredreality
@lazytacohologram
@rainandcigarettes
@wweasleyhp
@wolfstar-4-ever
@lewis-the-quack
@that-bitch-kat3
@tiredsiriussimp
@orchideous-nox
@saintchaser
@johnwolflockstar
@auberginequirky
@plumchaos
@lavendercraze
@crimsonblazes-blog
@jaylienpotter
@finchiedddd
@awokenbydreams
@starsarestories
@siriuslystargazing
@4ever-merlin
@artbyace
@mysticalthingphantom
@cally-s
@maraudersversion
@my-beloved-fandoms
@chace-vito
@jazblack26
@none-of-it-was-accidental
@ill-tell-mine-youre-gayy
@honamiiskinnie
@chuckyslivinghell
@bevilbargains
@my-castles-crumbling
@jegulusposts
@honestlycasualarcade
DONE
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sascha this is super duper random n ur not in a celly rn but i think you should cym as marauders !!
omg sure!!
you as lily
@enbysiriusblack as peter
@mad-elia as mary
@todayiseverything as remus
@imagineacoolusername as dorcas
@achilleslikespeas as marlene
@touchlikethesun as james
@artbyace as sirius
#i cannot explain any of these and these are solely based on vibes because. why not </3#i have no genuine explanation and yeah </3 anyways#lily evans#peter pettigrew#mary macdonald#remus lupin#dorcas meadowes#marlene mckinnon#james potter#sirius black#cym#mutual games#asks#beloved's asks! <3#JUNIPER 💞💞
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remus and cassie <3
happy new year everyone!! here’s my present to u , part of my wolfstar dads wip
this past year has been a wild ride. it was my first time ever downloading tumblr, and i took a leap of faith and started making marauders art. i have never been met with so much kindness and support , thank you all!!! this year has been one of the absolute hardest for me; i lost my house, had family members in the hospital, and so much more. but through it all, i got so much love on here and every little bit helped me through. here’s to another year of art, growth, and happiness!
credit to @industrations for the og creation of the lovely cassiopeia <3
#happy new year#!#special thanks to my followers and mutuals#y’all are the best#muah#idk why remus has a stache#don’t come for me#remus lupin#remus lupin fanart#cassie tag#wolfstar#wolfstar dads#wip#fanart wip#marauders fanart#marauders era#the marauders#dead gay wizards#artbyace#my art
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15 questions, 15 people
Thx for the tag @marauders-everything2
Starting a new post, it was too long. Slightly modified some questions.
1. Are you named after anyone?
Nope.
2. When was the last time you cried?
Don't remember, probably yesterday.
3. Do you want to have kids?
No thanks :)
4. What sports do/have you played?
My parents tried putting me in a bunch of shit when I was younger so I've done: swimming (for some years, still not great at it lol), surfing (quit after like 2 months), kizomba dance (hated it), another type of dance, contemporary dance (I liked it but the place closed), and we went skiing several times (which I love). If horseriding counts, I did that for a year. Currently not doing any.
5. Do you use sarcasm?
Yeah, sometimes. But I'm also quite direct and straightforward. Only "straight" I am.
6. What's the first thing you notice about someone?
Their fashion style. I love going up to strangers to compliment their outfits!
7. What's your eye colour?
Dark brown.
8. Movies with sad or happy endings?
I love movies with uncertain, ambiguous endings, in which the meaning is up for debate (like Inception).
9. What talents do you have?
Fast at absorbing information (sometimes), hypercreativity, great at bullshitting in academic tests/essays, good at making accents and voices, ummm... Can't remember more.
10. Where would you like to live?
New Zealand. It's pretty and one of the least problematic English-speaking countries (wanna live somewhere where English is the official language).
11. What are your hobbies?
Writing fanfiction and original stories (more like my passion), playing The Sims 4, drawing digitally (haven't in a while though), singing?
12. Do you have any pets?
My parents have 3 dogs (no breed) and koi fish. I want a cat :')
13. How tall are you?
165 cm or 5'5" for the Americans.
14. Favourite subject in school?
At college. Don't really like any of my current classes. Ig English C1.2 because we studied the Broadway play Hamilton. Although I haven't learned anything new.
15. What is your dream job?
Writer/author, would also like to do voice acting. Maybe a psychologist too, haven't decided if I'll take a second college degree.
No pressure tags: @siriuslystarbucks @starsandmoonys @whoopsiesnodaisies @star4daisy @starchaser-lily @half-cold-coffee @cazzythefrogking @starsarestories @my-beloved-fandoms @my-castles-crumbling @reggiecantswimm @artbyace @literallytoogaytofunction @rosemelodyshah @theres-an-endless-starry-sky
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Once you get this, you have to say five things you like about yourself, publicly. Then you have to send this to ten of your favourite followers (non-negotiable, positivity is cool~) 🌈 🌈
thanks for a sweet ask, firstly, and secondly here we go:
I have a pretty good memory for learning which makes the whole process faster a lot
Im gonna say that ok? i like my music taste
I think i can say that i like my ethic values? idk how to describe it further sorry
I like my current english state, i guess, most of the work i did myself
That's a bit silly but just about a month ago i learned how to crochet while NOT looking at the thing you're doing, and still doing it correctly and im quite proud of that
tagging: @brokendoor16 (i know that you've tagged me in yours, but im tagging u here just so u know) @vellichorius @unabashedlyshadowynightmare @captainspectrumreportingforduty @crikey01 @bildadthefuckingshuite @aejiee @artbyace @plumbum-art @badaziraphaletakes (idk if you are into tag games?) ofc no pressure everyone
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doing this receiptify thing bc i can:
no pressure tags @lesbianmckinnonn @artbyace @sunseeking-cryptid <3
#surprised there isn't any abba bc i listened to so much the other week#and scott street ofc <3#receiptify
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thanks for the tag @where-is-vivian :)
hardcover or paperback? bookstore or library? bookmark or receipt? stand alone or series? nonfiction or fiction? thriller or fantasy? under 300 pages or over 300 pages? children’s or ya? friends to lovers or enemies to lovers? read in bed or read on the couch? read at night or read in the morning? keep pristine or markup? cracked spine or dog ear?
both cracked spine and dog ears are crimes against humanity i refuse to pick one
tagging: @boydykewiki @oesker @pinkthekla @underburningstars @malakiwis @artbyace @aroacelilyevans
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Thank you for the tag @summer-squash 🤭🤭
List 10 songs with 10 names in the titles that you like, and then tag 10 people.
Rosanna by TOTO
Andy Warhol by David Bowie
Valerie by Amy Winehouse
Dorothy by Her’s
Ofelia by Kiltro
Marceline by Vista Kicks
Mary by Alex G
Sarah Smiles by p!atd
Layla by Derek & The Dominos
Sunny by Boney M. 😏
I shall tag: @silverscreenlipstick @residentrookie @butcherbacterium @ryder-the-writer @pretentiouswreckingball @inevitablestars @artbyace and I’m running late for a meeting so open tag for the rest; just say I tagged you😘😘
#this one was fun#defo enjoyed looking through my liked songs for this one#I will always find a way to include Amy Winehouse#y’all can’t stop me#HOWEVER if there is one song that y’all should listen to it’s Ofelia#LISTEN TO IT RN#or just listen to anything by Kiltro#they are sooo good😭😭#and before I get questions#yes I had a p!atd phase#no I will NOT talk about it#I do have to say tho some of their songs are still good🫢🫢#okie dokie I think that is all#byeee#sunny’s playin games
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Interview Music Tag Game
RULES: Put your playlist on shuffle. For each of the 10 interview questions, select a lyric from the random song that comes up. (Skip if there aren't any lyrics and make sure to drop the name of the song in your interview answer!) <3
(I made this. I'm v proud. I hope it gets circulated ^^)
Let's get started...
First off, how would you describe yourself in one sentence?
No one RSVP'd to the party that I hosted (We Hate Everyone - K.Flay)
2. What kind of [insert zodiac sign] are you?
I tried to burn sage to clear the vibe, But the smoke alarm went off, and my ex-girl cried (Subaru Crosstrek XV - Hobo Johnson)
3. You're visiting your favorite spot, what are you thinking about?
When someone calls me I'm most likely to ignore (Personal Lies - Djo)
4. If your life was a movie, what do you think the first review would say about it?
Who would trade that hum of night? For sunlight (Sunlight - Hozier)
5. Say you get a book deal, what are you titling your memoir?
I Like Men On Their Knees (cult leader - KiNG MALA)
6. What would you say about your best friends?
It turns out the sad kids become the Brad Pitts, Ain't that rich? (My Name Isn't Katherine - K.Flay)
7. Think back to when you had everything all figured out in high school, what was your life motto as a teenager?
Make the wind stop blowing your way (Bend - Dear Reader)
8. Describe your aesthetic now:
You couldn't handle your liquor and you can't seem to handle the truth (Regret Me - Daisy Jones & The Six)
9. What's a lyric that they'll quote in your eulogy?
I never really looked before, But now you take my breath away (More Than a Woman - Bee Gees)
10. And for our final question, say we believe in soulmates, what do you think their first impression of meeting you will be?
And, yes, I did use the gender neutral bathroom, What is your concern with what I've got going on? (they/them - atlas)
Ooh, that's it for time, thank you for being here!
Np tags: @wanderingdonut @deadgayfurrywizardsinthe70s @wordknowntoallmen @chace-vito @squintclover @cannabis-major @mkaugust @mblematic @cryhavocc @fruity-individual @crying-lightningx @1hudsonangel @spindrifters @lesbianmckinnonn @violetbaudelaire-quagmire @greenvlvetcouch @tkanb @nymphaea-auri @plecotusauritus @artbyace @youluckydevil @achilleslikespeas @deermessrs @wo2ash @biblicallyaccuratebunny
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