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the-darkestminds · 2 days

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Elriels suggesting that shipping Gwyn with Azriel is disrespectful to real SA victims is without a doubt the worst take I have ever seen in my life lol

“Stop shipping Gwyn with ANY man without her consent”

LMFAO WHAT SHE AINT REAL 😭 how tf do I get her consent?? Do I need a permission slip from SJM??

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kayas-obsession · 2 days

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I’ve come to conclusion through what I’ve observed is most people who are Gwynriel shippers are the ones who went into ACOSF because they were interested in Nesta and found the ship pleasantly surprising.

Something we weren’t expecting. The neutral ones who didn’t really have much opinion on Elain and Azriel. So when this amazing female character came in and was hinted as someone of significance to Azriel, we were instantly sold.

While after hearing the theories people who shipped Elriel came to read the books they were of course left disappointed. They expected some downright confession. Which is hilarious because this book is about Nesta.

I guess my point is. Don’t go in ACOSF thinking there is any justification for whom Azriel has feelings for. That man is himself in a state of confusion.

#acotar #azriel #gwyneth berdara #fantasy #gwynriel #books #gwyn acotar #azriel x gwyn #gwyn acosf #anti elriel #pro gwynriel #pro gwyn #az x gwyn #gwyn x azriel

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heycasper22 · 1 day

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Acotar long theory - Rhysand & Gwynriel.

Spoilers all SJM books

Rhys Knows about about the mating bond between Gwyn and Azriel.

This is a theory that I can really get behind anyway and here's why.

Staring out with SJM retconning the events surrounding the raid on the temple in Sangravah. In ACOMAF Rhys states he had to wait for confirmation from Azriel that Sangravah had been raided, Mor also appears to be shocked by this news so we can take for granted that Azriel was either there or obtained the info to pass on to Rhys.

In ACOSF however SJM changed this to Azriel definitely being there, first and slaughtering all the Hybern soldiers, then Mor a few minutes later and then Rhys arriving in person.

This is actually the part of the recton that I find the most interesting. That Rhys himself turned up. Sarah could have retconned it so Azriel then Mor and Cassian winnowing in together with less tampering with what she originally said. Rhys often delagates tasks/missions to others.

Having Rhys present leads me to believe that there would be some purpose in his being there, Mor I think could be accounted for as a female presence to help the priestesses. Gwyn even specifies what the characters do, Azriel kills, Mor heals but not what Rhys did.

So what purpose could Rhys have had in that scene?

Was he put there just so that he was already introduced to Gwyn and could snipe at Nesta when he sees them together in the training ring? He already knows why all the Priestess are at the HoW library, he could have sniped at Nesta wether or not he knew her personally or not.

For this I'd like to look at some examples of Rhys talking about his own power, the particular way he describes what he was doing with his power while UTM

"I made a web between all of them, actively controlling their minds every second of every day, every decade, to forget about Velaris, to forget about Mor, and Amren, and Cassian, and Azriel." - ACOMAF

"anyone flying or traveling near Velaris would see nothing but barren rock, and if they tried to walk through it, they’d find themselves suddenly deciding otherwise." - ACOMAF

“Amarantha didn’t know they existed. And when someone tried to tell her, they usually found themselves without the mind to do so.” - ACOMAF

We know that it is in Rhys' wheelhouse to make people forget and importantly to make people switch tack when their mind strays towards a subject he wishes to remain a secret. Imagine you wish to tell someone something but suddenly all it slips away and now you're just wondering if you left your oven on.

So if you will, go on this journey with me, and we say for instance, a mating bond snapped into place for Azriel and Gwyn upon their first meeting, how truly, truly terrified might she have been in that moment. After everything she'd just been through.

Gwyn says that Azriel "slaughtered them all"

Could his rage have been something to behold even for Rhys to know what it was? As Ruhn can tell when Hunt goes into a Mates rage in HOSAB?

Could Rhysand have snatched Azriel's mind in that moment, and made him forget? Just tied a little knot in his mind and held onto it all this time?

I suppose a good question is would Rhysand do that, because we know that he could.

In ACOWAR there's a scene that's brought up frequently in regards to ships and has been gone over quite thoroughly but I'd like to go over some bits and pieces that interest me for this theory however.

The conversation Rhys and Feyre have before leaving for the Hewn City chapter 24.

Feyre feels guilty for entering Lucien's mind without consent, albeit she did this because of her deep concern for Elain.

'Would you have done it? '

'Rhys considered. Yes. And I would have felt just as guilty afterward.'

Rhys confirms he would go into a friend's mind, and that he would feel guilty for doing so.

He then goes onto assuage Feyre's guilt, determining that she had a good reason to do what she did. A 'for the greater good' sort of reasoning.

We see this reasoning resurface in Rhysand in ACOSF where he makes a poor choice in hiding the real risk of Feyre's pregnancy to her. He didnt wish to upset her, and wanted a solution to hand before he informed her. This isn't necessarily about the really poor choice he made more that he believed he had sufficient reasoning.

To go back to ACOWAR ch24:

Feyre asks if Rhys thinks Lucien and Elain are well suited, he doesn't really give and answer except to say that Lucien is loyal and fiercely so, and then we get this interesting choice of words:

“So is Azriel.”

“Azriel,” Rhys said, “has been preoccupied with the same female for the past five hundred years.”

Not in love with Mor, but preoccupied, distracted by.

Then immediately afterwards Rhys, who never really tells Feyre what to do, basically asks her not to get involved in Azriel and Mor's business. As though he really takes no issue with his brother being 'preoccupied' with Mor.

Rhys also does not offer any comment about Feyre's thoughts on Azriel and Elain as a couple.

As for Azriel's ACOSF bonus chapter, a lot of people where mad at Rhys, either for him interrupting an Elain/Az kiss and meddling in their business or just for the simple fact he seemed to be 'throwing his weight around' a little bit.

Rhys' surface level explanation of this as a Ruler makes sense, but let's look at a potential different angle.

"What if the Cauldron was wrong?"

Rhysand blinked. "What of Mor, Az?"

Azriel questions the Cauldron and the first thing Rhys does is to bring up someone he knows Az is preoccupied with, a 500 year distraction to keep him chasing his tail.

"The Cauldron chose three sisters. Tell me how it's possible that my two brothers are with two of those sisters, yet the third was given to another"

Rhys' face drained of color.

Rhysand does not pale easily. From my checking, that descriptor for him seems to be reserved for if something really upsets him or freaks him out (like Feyre talking about her death)

So for him to drain of colour, that sentence has to have really really bothered him, guilt perhaps at something he has done?

We know a mate bond can never truly be broken or go away, but for the males it can "drive them mad"

Could this be concern over Azriel's mental state not just because of the rash decision to kiss Elain where anyone including Lucien could see, but for what Rhys thinks might happen to a mated male when he does not remember that he is mated or who to?

"You believe you deserve to be her mate?"

This could be Rhys looking for that reasoning, has he done the right thing or made a huge mistake.

"Allow me to make one thing very clear. You are to stay away from her."

This seems pretty extreme, unless however you alone understand how truly messy things could become, aside from all the explanation he gives about Lucien, including the blood duel (Which is odd for Rhys to mention as he knows Lucien is Helion's son)

Gwyn is Nesta's friend. Azriel is already physically spending time in Gwyn's presence, perhaps Rhysand is hoping he'll be able let go soon. How mad you might be at your brother being so close to everything he ever wanted and him fucking it up, even if it you had a part to play in it. You would put your foot down. Hard.

"So you will leave Elain alone. If you need to fuck someone, go to a pleasure hall and pay for it, but stay away from her."

Where is the: 'Hey brother I know how you must be feeling but dont worry, there must be a special someone out there who loves and deserves you, get out there and look!' ?

The options he confronts Azriel with are, hey what about the girl we all know you're never going to get with or failing that, pay for a sex worker? Seems like Rhys might actually be limiting Azriel to people he believes he won't form an serious relationship with doesn't it?

"Snarl all you want."

"But if I see you panting after her again, I'll make you regret it."

This actually stuns Azriel out of being angry, Rhys doesn't do this sort of thing normally.

So if you add this up with Rhys saying Elain would have the full support of the Night Court should she wish to reject her mating bond, why would Azriel have to stay away from Elain forever? If that's what she wanted and he wanted.

Something so out of character for Rhys it shocks Azriel, just to set up a forbidden love trope?

As mentioned some were pissed at Rhys for all this.

But SJM likes to do this to us, she likes for us to BE ANGRY at characters, and then give us an explanation that breaks our heart or at the least helps us understand later down the line. (If I factor in my long Elain theory we might even be thanking him for interrupting!)

Because Rhys would have done this for Gwyn, not for Az, but to protect her, to try and offer her some peace while she heals.

If this theory where true, I'd like to imagine that he had a conversation with her and let her know that full stop that Az wouldn't try and pursue her unless she was ready wether that be 2 years, a decade or never.

But again what we have seen is Rhys being down right horrible sometimes, if he believes it's for the greater good, then we usually get the actual explanation for it later.

Further on in the BC Azriel obviously interacts with Gwyn.

"For a heartbeat their gazes met. He blocked out the bloody memory that flashed, so at odds with the Gwyn he saw before him now"

Did he block it out?

Or did he just get too close to remembering everything.

Did Rhys yank on that leash?

"I just. . . I know you like to be alone."

Gwyn most definitely could have perceived that about Azriel, but in theory she also could have asked someone who knows him to tell her about him.

'Azriel dipped his head in a sketch of a bow. something restless settling in him. Even his shadows had calmed. As if content to lounge on his shoulders and watch.

But--- sleep. He needed to at least attempt to get some.'

'He wouldn't go so far as to call Gwyn a friend, but...'

These buts... These sort of... interrupted thoughts, paired with sense that Azriel isn't entirely sure why he's doing some things. It does give the sense of other forces at play.

I know some people like to go in for the Gwyn is lightsinger theory, personally I don't (I address this in my long Elain theory) Especially with the points at where these thoughts are cut off.

I know some also like the 'fake bond' theory like Aelin/Rowan/Lyria. Maeve of course having similar powers to Rhys, I'd find it much more likely however that Rhys would use his power to 'hide' a bond for good, than to fake one, for evil. Or even to fake one full stop.

Mating bonds are powerful things though as we see in ToG even with an altered mind Rowan is still attracted to and still falls in love with his actual Mate.

Does Rhys really have the power totally control everything about Azriel's bond to Gwyn now that he's actually interacting with her? Perhaps they'll fall in love before Gwyn and Rhys fess up to having known all along.

One would think though that Rhys trying to keep a hold on such a powerful and primal force might affect Azriel though...you would expect to see something more than interrupted thoughts, something more physical like oh, I don't know...

Headaches? 😉

Again this is just a theory, theories are fun and we all like to rummage through the text and try and figure stuff out through this long wait. I can't believe it ended up being this long even though I really tired to stick to the topic at hand! Plausible or not plausible? If you got this far, thanks

#gwynriel #pro gwynriel #acotar theory #anti elriel #anti e/riel

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simmanin · 11 hours

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yes, I do tend to believe the author is leaving symbolic clues in their work and expects us to look deeper into everything. Sometimes the curtains are just blue and sometimes they’re a black dress in the night that drains the color from a girl that is said to need sunlight. Idk, sue me for thinking that means something I GUESS🤷‍♀️

#acotar #symbolism is dead #metaphors are dead #acosf #elain archeron #pro elain archeron #pro elucien #pro lucien vanserra #pro let elain travel #pro get out of velaris #sjm #maasverse mates #maasverse #sarah j maas #elain archerons book #anti elriel

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arcturustarlight · 2 days

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E/riels brag about how Azriel gave Elain Truth-teller as if she takes it everywhere with herself, polish and sharpen the blade daily and hugs it while she sleeps.

Y'all know she gave it back, right?

Just like she returned the necklace as well.

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nesta-attorney · 3 months

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Imagine being a Nesta stan and shipping Elriel. Behave yourselves. Nesta would NEVER.

#acotar #gwynriel #acosf #pro nesta #nesta archeron #pro gwyn #pro gwynriel #anti elriel #antielriel

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kayas-obsession · 2 days

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It’s weird to me how other than Tumblr, there is not many videos in other social media platforms regarding Gwynriel. Can anyone tell me why? And even if there is, it’s always an Elriel post. Idk why even use that tag.

#acotar #azriel #gwyneth berdara #fantasy #gwynriel #books #gwyn acotar #azriel x gwyn #gwyn acosf #anti elriel #pro gwynriel #pro gwyn #az x gwyn #gwyn x azriel

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highladyofterrasen7 · 6 months

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I would rather azris and it’s like one of those random ships

#sarah j maas #acotar #azriel #gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #elucien #lucien vanserra #eris vanserra #azris #anti elriel

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bookishwithathought · 1 day

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“Elain only stared at him for a long moment.”

*** “Elain only stared at him for a long moment.” ***

::: “Elain only stared at him for a long moment.” :::

#my maas wishlist #wandering mind #elucien #pro elucien #sjm give us peace #elain x lucien #anti vassien #anti e/riel #anti elriel #elain and lucien are good characters who should get their hea #let the flower and her sun be together #can you repeat that for the e/riels

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dawntoducks · 5 days

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Ok but imagine Elain and Lucien arguing about the bond and Lucien blurts out something like "I'm sorry the Cauldron gave you a mate who's so disfigured you can barely bring yourself to look at me" or something like that and Elain just pauses in utter shock because that is the exact opposite of why she can't look him in the eyes.

The truth is, he's so devastatingly handsome that she can't bring herself to look at him fully without blushing. And the thought that he could ever find himself unworthy of her nearly brings her to tears.

If anyone knows of any fics like this PLEASE let me know.

#guys you don't understand I need them like I need air #elucien #elain x lucien #lucien vanserra #anti elriel

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valkyriegwynb · 1 month

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Imagine being so fucking racist. It's literally xenophobia and giving, "Nonenglish speakers don't understand English so we can bully them and be rude."

#pro gwynriel #acotar #gwyneth berdara #gwynriel #elucien #feysand #nessian #anti elriel #azriel

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olenvasynyt · 1 month

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I could write an entire essay on why I don’t think Elriel is endgame but I think I just need to say one thing (besides Elain and Lucien are mates):

We didn’t get to see their lust and feelings develop on page, and more importantly, in their POVs. We get Feyre seeing glances and blushes from across the room. Absolutely. I’m not denying that. But a romance book immediately starting with two characters already in love? That’s not SJMs way. She has ALWAYS made her couples struggle with their feelings before accepting and officially falling in love, even when the couples had secret attraction for each other.

Elriel has tension, but that’s already the peak of their relationship. It can’t get any higher, and in fact, it’s already going downhill with the bonus chapter.

It’s also not SJMs way to do a secret romance / cheating trope which I see a lot of people suggesting, because with a cheating trope, it only works if the person being cheated on is a bad person and did wrong on their partner. Lucien is not that man, you guys. Not at all. And what I’m getting from Elriels is they want Elriel’s book to be Elain and Az in love even though Rhys forbade it and Lucien either accepting it and going with Vassa because he loved her the entire time anyway (despite everything going against that) or him getting mad Elain went for Az instead and he calls for a blood duel.

I’m so sorry but Elriel just makes no sense to me. They have no struggle, no growth, no substance.

#pro gwynriel #pro elucien #elucien #anti vassien #anti elriel #strong Dana opinions

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alex-catlady · 3 months

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Well good morning to you too I guess.

TW: grape threats

I received that this morning on Instagram from the user @persichekaur :