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thecarnivorousmuffinmeta · 5 months

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Okay so this is my first time actually doing an ask in Tumblr, so apologies if I'm doing something wrong/breaking any conventions but

What if an AU version of Edward who has the same backstory of how he turned a Vampire and the Cullens and and still has an infatuation with Carlisle, but is aware of his interests accepts the fact? Like what change in his personality would cause this, and how exactly would this different Edward act? Would the Cullen family implode any sooner?

The ask is perfectly fine, there's no real set format to these things. Just that if you want to answer please, for the love of god, do not repeat something I've already answered.

That said, you say it yourself anon, this would be a completely different person. If Edward was different he would be different.

This is where we start wandering into write the fic territory because for Edward to do what you say he has to be extremely different in fundamental ways that make it hard for me to extrapolate what happens from there.

(gif credit @franzias-cave)

If Edward is accepting does he accept it as unrequited or does he work to gain Carlisle's interest? Does he still accept Esme into the fold or does he now reject her as competition? If he's accepting is he also open with the fact, the family now knowing and reacting, or has he kept it hidden and how would that inform him and his decisions.

If we do manage to, somehow, get to canon all the way unscathed and Edward's basically the same except "secretly gay and cool with it" then probably we get to this picture.

As remember there are only two doors for Bella Swan where Edward is concerned: he will either eat her or he will turn her into a vampire. He only did the latter in canon because he both had little choice and believed himself to have romantic feelings for her.

The thing about Edward, is even if Bella acts the same canonically to draw in his interest, is he likes the idea of true love and having only one true love. He's very enamored with the idea that Bella alone is the love of his life, he's been waiting for her all this time, and that when she dies there will never be another person for him. Part of this is just being a dramatic teenager having feelings but another part is that he wants to be a person who is very true to his feelings and unfaltering. Those he respects in his family he sees as having only ever loved each other in their lives and never, ever, falling apart for any reasons. His coven is different because they feel love in a way no other vampires can without partaking in the Cullen diet.

Edward doesn't want to be a person who can have feelings, even attraction, to more than one person in his life.

The trouble is here if he's attracted to Carlisle, let alone in love with him, and knows this and admits it to himself...

Then he can't be in love with or attracted to Bella without despising himself for being untrue to his own feelings. Which means... he can't choose the door where Bella becomes the bride of Dracula at the end of the day, can he?

#twilight #twilight meta #twilight headcanon #twilight renaissance #edward cullen #anti edward cullen #edward/carlisle #anti edward/carlisle #edward/bella #anti edward/bella #meta #headcanon #opinion

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queenofglassbeliever · 11 months

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Rosalie says she never loved Edward as anything more than a brother, but is mad when he shows no romantic interest in her.

She gets jealous when he shows an interest in Bella even though at this point she's been with Emmett for about 70 years.

She hates being a vampire, would rather have died, yet she asks Carlisle to turn a dying Emmett for her.

When asked by Edward what she would do if she were in Bella's position and Emmett in his, Rosalie can't give a clear answer. Some part of Rosalie would give up Emmett for a human life.

Rose has very little regard for human life. She only cares about the romanticized human life she lost.

She's about respecting choices, but only if it's a choice she agrees with. Rosalie supports Bella's choice to go through with the pregnancy, but only because it's something she would have personally done. Up until then, Rose has shown very little respect or care for Bella's choices. She tries to dissuade Bella, but never tries to understand Bella's POV.

I love Rosalie, but Smeyer made her so selfish and contradictory that loving her is really hard sometimes.

#the twilight saga #twilight #rosalie hale #rosalie lillian hale #twilight renaissance #midnight sun #twilight eclipse #breaking dawn #twilight books #bella swan #emmett cullen #edward cullen #carlisle cullen #anti smeyer

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restinslices · 5 months

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(I swear to y’all, imma go back to Mortal Kombat. But I have to rant. Imma pretend it’s the early 2000s and rant about Twilight. If you’re pro any of the Cullens, don’t even read this)

I’m not saying Jacob should’ve kissed Bella, but my thing is this; Jacob kisses you and you call him a dog and say you hope Edward kills him. Edward has done foul shit the ENTIRE SERIES and you let him slide repeatedly. There’s this part where Bella gets mad and says something like “at least Edward an act like an adult”. Bitch. He IS AN ADULT. What do you mean? Bella is way more harsh when it comes to Jacob and I don’t get why she holds so much anger towards this child and holds him to this high standard but has none of these feelings when it comes to the old ass adult she’s with. Since I’m typing, Stephanie Myers is weird and idc what y’all say. I remember Bella described Leah as beautiful in an EXOTIC way. MA’AM? It feels like she realized how asshole-ish the Cullens are and tried to make the wolves seem worse but all I’m thinking is “they’re definitely in the right when it comes to not liking the Cullens”.

The wolves don’t like vampires because they’re a safety risk. The Cullens being there (keep in mind, they’re rich enough to leave and never come back) is triggering these young ass people to turn into wolves. The Cullens don’t like the wolves because?? They have no valid reason. Edward constantly says the wolves are dangerous and yeah, they’re not the safest to be around but compared to vampires they’re a lot safer. Bella has only been harmed by vampires and only the vampires have tried to end her life. James, Laurent, Jasper, Victoria, the new born army that’s forming, the Volturi. She’s only been in danger because of the wolves once. Like, I don’t get how Stephanie expects us to agree with Edward when there’s proof that the wolves are way safer. Not 100% safe but better than vampires. And while I love Seth, I swear Seth is the “you’re not like the others” character. They only like Seth because he doesn’t hold animosity towards them as if that animosity isn’t valid. It’s giving “you’re not like other blacks, you talk proper” (ik he’s not black, it’s an example). I’m finishing the books because I’m too deep to quit but I wish they let Victoria finish the job.

#anti cullen #anti edward cullen #anti carlisle cullen #anti esme cullen #anti alice cullen #anti jasper cullen #anti rosalie cullen #Emmett is the only Cullen I like rn but that can change #I know it is 2024 but listen-#anti bella swan #twilight #Slices Speaks

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waldensblog · 2 years

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So I finished New Moon as part of my twilight re-read, and... I kinda violently dislike the Cullens now? And I am absolutely 110% on Charlie and the Wolves side. Long ass rant below the line.

Bella gets a papercut at her 18th birthday, and is about to be murdered for it. Edward is completely 100% right on the car-ride back that if she went to Angela’s house or something, this shit wouldn’t have happened. So at first it’s like “oh good, Edward realizes this is very bad for her, since he does love her, he’s going to make the selfless choice and leave.”

And then this motherfucker manages to find a way to do in a selfish-ass manner. He barely says two words to her for DAYS and tells his entire family to skip town without saying ONE WORD to this girl whose grown very attached to all of them - especially Alice. Apparently she wanted to say goodbye but Edward decided it’s better this way. Now... it’s easy to just be mad at Edward for that, but no. I’m furious at all of them, Alice included. She could have ignored Edward, told him that’s a dickish move, and said goodbye in person, or SOMETHING. Like Charlie says SOME WARNING WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE.

And then Edward, Mr. “Don’t go into the forest please, it’s dangerous” decides the best way to break up with Bella is to... bring her into said forest when breaking it off and leave her there. He even takes the fucking time to forge a note saying where Bella went - maybe because he knew she’d end up on the forest floor like that? Edward... what the actual fuck? No really, why not break up with her in her BEDROOM where she’ll lie in her bed, be safe... this is just... dude... wtf.

Bella is then depressed for MONTHS on end, and Charlie is doing his fucking best. Unfortunately Bella never did get to have a slumber party with Jess and Angela, honestly - I think that would have helped so much. She spent so much time being depressed, feeling there was a hole, etc. and never got to the stage of being angry - furious, at all of them. She wouldn’t have needed to give details, she could have just gone on a tangent about the literal leaving-her-completely-out-of-the-blue, while Angela nodded and Jessica fist-pumped like she’s at a fucking rave. I was robbed, robbed of this possibility. Rather than go through that kinda healing, she basically ignores all her friends.

And I think Bella was honest-to-god enthralled. She refers to it in Twilight as Dazzling, and we see that vampires have this uncanny ability to persuade someone - nurses, waiters, teachers, etc. whether they are conscious of it or not. I can’t help but think that when Edward decided he was going to talk to Bella, try and date her - he enthralled her (whether he knew it or not), and that’s why she just can’t get past it. She should be furious at him, but she isn’t.

Bella ends up spending time with Jake - at first she’s kind of using him, she wants the motorcycles to get hallucinations of Edward, which - Girl, get therapy, please. But over time she really grows fond of him, they become best friends, and I can actually see her falling in love with him. I know Meyer clarifies on her website that she did fall in love with him in New Moon, and I can fucking see it.

At first she tells him she doesn’t share his feelings, but then she says “Maybe I could” and compares him to Paris - I don’t like that she’s seeing him as 2nd choice, but it’s clear that she does love him. He is her sun, he makes her feel whole again, she becomes a “wolf girl”, standing there in her dream beside Emily, another “wolf girl”. He puts his arm around her, holds her hand, calls her “honey”, others say she’s his “girlfriend”, and she doesn’t decline it. Then Mike straight up asks “are you dating him?” and Bella answers “not in the technical sense”. I’m sorry but... an answer like that is... she loves him, but is afraid to move on. She even then almost does - they almost kiss in his car when Alice shows up.

And of course... Bella, enthralled as she is, decides to go to Alice. Personally, if my 18-year old ass had been in that car with Jake deliberating “shift or get her to safety” and I saw Alice’s car, I’d have been like “Wait I know that car! Yeah let’s get the fuck out of here!!!” and held my middle finger to the window as he sped off. Like you really want to go see this “friend” who straight up ghosted you for months? Naw, not me.

Jacob, despite being treated shittily, is more than understanding. I think the wolves are immune to enthrallment, and they can see it for what it is - so they try. Jacob comes back, he tries to talk to her, and they again, nearly kiss - it’s so close. But then shit happens, and oh no, Edward’s gonna kill himself because he’s a fucking drama queen.

Bella, feeling responsible decides she must help. So she ditches Charlie, ditches Jacob, and runs off.

When she comes back with Edward in toe? Oh.my.god. the rage, the seething from Charlie, like... I get it. I feel it. I side with it. Charlie straight up asks like... how dare you show your face? And no really, how dare he? Dude ditches town with no word, leaving Bella an absolute mess, then he brings her back after she ran off suddenly. Like from Charlie’s POV he’s gotta be thinking “Billy is fucking right, fuck this family.” Charlie then tries to forbid Edward from being in the house or seeing Bella, and she says no - obviously, being 18, he can’t make her do anything - but he’s concerned, and honestly, I’d be fucking concerned too. Her behaviour is irrational af from his POV.

When Jacob shows up at the end, he isn’t even aware that Bella had been trying to call him. He thought Edward was controlling her movements - and again, it’s easy to see why he thinks that. From where he’s standing, Bella is enthralled, and is acting extremely irrationally. He’s trying to protect his best friend from what he sees as an obvious abuser, and the only way he knows how is to get her in trouble with the motorcycles (kinda odd to me that Charlie would ground Bella that specific way instead of letting her go to La Push, you’d think Charlie would be driving them together there frequently, but I digress).

Jacob is sorry to get her in trouble, but he’s a 16-year old boy, and he’s doing his best. Then when Bella reaches out to him - Edward actually, literally, holds her back. How, exactly, is Jacob supposed to interpret this beyond Edward controlling her, even where she isn’t enthralled. Of course he’s pissed off.

Of course all the wolves feel so strongly against the Cullens. Who found her on the forest floor, the dangerous-ass forest floor after Edward left her? Sam. Who was there for her when they weren’t, making her feel like a person again? Jacob. Who protected her from a vampire that the Cullens, as a collective, should have had the fucking brains to realize would absolutely come to Forks? The wolves. Who is responsible for these literal children shifting? The Cullens. Who has a ton of money and could easily do just about anything they want and decide to buy like 6 expensive cars and live in a mansion, hoarding their wealth? The Cullens. Who are immortal colonizers that damn well know what living there does? The Cullens.

So yeah, my first time reading it, I was Team Jacob, but I didn’t hate all the Cullens. Now? Nah, fuck all y’all. Team Wolf pack, team Charlie, all the fucking way. Maybe I’ll feel differently after Eclipse, idk, but right now? Fuck them.

#Twilight Saga #Twilight Renaissance #New Moon #Twilight reread #Bella Swan #anti Cullens #anti Edward Cullen #anti Alice Cullen #anti Emmett Cullen #anti Rosalie Hale #anti Jasper Hale #anti Carlisle Cullen #anti Esme Cullen #Team Jacob #Team Charlie #Team Bella

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vintageseawitch · 1 year

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if there are any twilight book sequels written then published, i promise to look up spoilers because if i find out the Volturi decide to create hybrids of their own (🤢🤮) then i will refuse to read let alone own them. as curious as Aro may be about it, it's horrendous that he would try it out himself. the creation of hybrids is legitimately terrifying body horror to me & even Aro's "indifference" towards humans doesn't automatically make him a psychopath about this sort of thing.

Aro, despite his penchant for ruthlessness, is a softie, too. i like to imagine the thought of putting a uterus-owner through such a specific & horrific form of torture fills him with revulsion & guilt. yes, humans are red-eyed vampires' food, but even humans get disturbed at the thought of animals they consume going through needless pain especially for selfish reasons.

at this point the canon of this silly franchise means approximately shit to me so if smeyers decides to make her refined, considerably more interesting clan of vampires into true monsters, she can fuck right off because they deserve better than that. they're not villains simply because they're doing what is natural to them & the Cullens are a creepier cult than the Volturi will ever be. at least everyone knows that the three kings are dangerous. the Cullens are too busy being gentrified hypocrites (completely beige & lacking a good, old-fashioned dungeon & set of coffins... the dark drama is what draws us to vampires in the first place & someone like Forever Emo Teenager McWalking Red Flag scoffs at such things like a good little boring creeper on top of them actually not giving a damn about humans considering how in midnight sun it's clear they wouldn't have batted an eye at killing bella because said little boring creeper - or the prodigal son 🙄 - can barely control himself around her like it's her problem to deal with. glob i hate that & his losing control around her would make their "lives" a Little Bit Uncomfortable lmao) with Whatever The Fuck Weird Dynamic they have going on.

if anyone would be cruel anyways, it would be Caius out of the three kings, but i refuse to believe even he would go that far. a part of it is the thought of needing to be close to a human like that would disgust him but another is at least when they feed it's quick. if anyone is to endure a terribly long torture it would be Nahuel's biological father because he's a real monster. like, yes, somehow the Volturi never found out about hybrids, but they never went & tried to find out what would happen themselves.

i like to think the more the three kings researched it the more horrified they would be, but that could just be my biases & preferences showing. bella & edward's daughter displays disturbingly similar compulsory "abilities" or however one would describe them like Immortal Children because everyone's sudden pull to her after she touched them is WAY too similar to the enchantment vampires experience around the latter type of child so i think the Volturi (especially Jane) would be weirded out by that connection considering how long they've studied them.

i'm not saying every hybrid is like bella & edward's kid, but i'm pretty sure Aro noticed that neither she nor the rest of the family really like or trust the Volturi that much PLUS the Romanians are some of her favorite vamps. pretty sure that has put the Volturi on their guard (so to speak) (also Carlisle what the FUCK why are you being so weird about the Volturi. why tf does edward have his stupid attitude about them whyyyy make them your enemy especially considering the drama in new moon & eddie blatantly disrespecting the ancient group by expecting them to be Suicide Assistance as though that's what they're there for & have nothing better to do & Aro doing you a MASSIVE favor). ya know, as pretty as he's portrayed in the movies, i'm liking him as a character less & less (he's the biggest hypocrite of them all & playing a dangerous game of delusions - like hun, sorry, but no matter how much you pretend, you are not a human any longer & maybe you don't realize it (or WANT to) but you totally think you're better than humans seeing as you bend their rules especially if it's for your extremely problematic red-headed "son" - but THEN AGAIN you're certainly good at wiping out local wildlife like big predators so maybe you're more like humans than you think & i mean that as a slur).

i totally get derailed in my little rants on here & i'm only a little bit embarrased since this is pretty much how my brain works & how i talk lmao so tl;dr if the Volturi become the worst kind of monsters in future books when it comes to hybrids (aka "making their own" 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮), smeyers can fuck right off some more & the Cullens & their creepy cult & creepier hybrid kid are the worst. i still like Emmett though even if he chooses to stick around the problematic bunch (pretty sure Carlisle has a gift as well; it's amazing that so many vampires are not only able to live with each other peacefully but rigidly stick to a diet that is unnatural to their kind - a kind of creature that follows their instincts above almost most things. oh Carlisle, you certainly transferred your wild need to repress almost too exceedingly well).

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magicianpanache · 2 years

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The Jasper Opportunity: The Present

Who is Jasper Hale ?

He's a vampire. He is a smart man that managed to survive decades of violent warfare that has a single digit survival rate. This means he is pragmatic, opportunistic, cynical and ready to do what needs to be done. Beyond that, he's protective of Alice (his salvation), and of his family. Those qualities are exemplified in the discussion about what to do with Bella Swan : he argues to kill her, and, if Edward can't do it, he will. Jasper is also defined by his depression, because of his gift of empathy.

Who is he to others ? He's a husband to Alice Cullen. He's a son to Carlisle and Esme. He's a brother to the others.

But what if we dig deeper than that ?

Alice

Pages and pages have already been written about Alice and Jasper. They love each other and are each other's salvation, blablabla. She's his favorite Cullen, and his favorite person. He knows how dangerous the vampire world is and is therefore extremely protective of her. They compliment each other, though I'm not sure they have a functional relationship. Alice needed a physical protector once she changed. She's a tiny girl with no fighting knowledge. Her gift guided her to a desperate veteran looking for a purpose in life and a way out of his depression, which she provides.

This is the entire basis of their relationship. However, I can't help but wonder what would happen if Alice saw them no longer together (would she give Jasper the courtesy of explaining the break up, or would he receive a break up text ?), and how Jasper would react. Would he leave the Cullens ? Fall off the wagon ?

Furthermore, by playing chess with Jasper (and Jasper being a willing participant), it's quite hard for them to develop an actual equal to equal relationship. This, coupled with the fact I don't think Alice quite understands the hell Jasper went through (she didn't see it and, frankly, doesn't seem to ponder about other people all that much), makes their relationship not as solid as it might seem at first glance.

Edward

They often go on hunting together. However, it's pretty clear they aren't as close as other siblings in the family. Edward spends the first chapter in Midnight Sun disgusted with Jasper and his "weakness" to human blood. He wonders why Jasper even bothers to try. Of course, Jasper knows what Edward feels, and might even feel the same thing about his weakness. However, it's clear their bond isn't that deep.

Carlisle

I very much doubt Jasper and Carlisle have a filial relationship. Mutual respect, sure, but not a father/son relationship. Why ?

Well, why would they ?

Well, for once, Jasper and Carlisle only have like 4 years between them in a physical sense. Furthermore, unlike Edward and Rosalie, Jasper was an independent adult when he was changed. He didn't need parental attention the same way they did.

This gives them a respectful relationship, but one that isn't particularly deep. We have no mention of them hanging out, going hunting together, or anything else (though, to be fair, I don't think Bella or Edward would notice). With Carlisle being a doctor and Jasper a student, they don't interact much.

Esme

Esme is a mystery, and who knows why that woman does anything. However, I have a hard time seeing her and Jasper sitting in the same room doing anything else than staring at walls.

Rosalie

We don't see them overly interact, but I suspect Rosalie must be one of his favorite Cullen. She offered to go kill Bella herself in MS, which shows a level of pragmatism and down-to-earth character that Jasper no doubt values.

Bella

They aren't very close. Sure, Jasper likes hanging out around her because of her happy juice, but it's not enough to have them be actually close. Beyond that, they have nothing in common. Bella is an introverted bookworm, while Jasper is a grizzled war veteran.

Emmett

Emmett seems to be the person with who he interacts the most if we don't consider Alice. We have many instances of them wrestling, competing or betting on various things. They openly bet on how many people Bella would kill. In fact, Emmett's carefree nature must be very appealing to Jasper's cynical personality. They seem to be best friends (or at least the first person the other goes to to have fun).

However, Emmett isn't really the kind of person to have a deep conversation with, the way philosophical and history major Jasper undoubtedly wants.

Renesmee

Jasper never had any interest in children, and he was absent for Nessie's childhood. Not only that, but Bella and Edward have Jacob, Rosalie, Esme, Alice and Charlie who would be happier to babysit her. Unless something major happens, they will be strangers living in the same house.

This shows Jasper to be a very lonely man.

#jasper hale #twilight meta #twilight #twilight renaissance #anti twilight #anti edward cullen #carlisle cullen

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violet-phoenix-nebula · 1 year

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So, this is apparently gonna be harder than I thought.

I'm looking for pre-canon, non-pairing vampire-Carlisle fanfics.

I know someone has to have written the centuries so many of us are interested in of Carlisle's life pre Twilight canon. So I'm on the hunt for some.

#twilight Carlisle fanfic #twilight carlisle #carlisle cullen #carlisle cullen fanfiction #twilight #twilight fanfic #anti bella swan #anti edward cullen #anti bella/edward

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tiktoksinspo · 2 years

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madlovenovelist · 1 year

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#bookporn #coverlove

Have you heard that ‘Mikey 7’ is getting a film adaptation starring Robert Paterson yet? I’ve had this book on my wishlist for ages – better hop to it and get it read before the movie comes out.

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#amreading #Anti-matter Blues #book #book covers #bookporn #Casey Carlisle #coverlove #Edward Ashton #Fiction #film adaptation #Mikey 7 #Novel #photograghy #reading #Robert Patterson #science fiction #TBR #Writing

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thecarnivorousmuffinmeta · 1 year

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Why do you think Edward's got romantic feelings for Carlisle? And projecting on Bella?

(haven't read midnight sun)

The last time we talked about Edward/Carlisle on this blog.

But for evidence, I present to you an excerpt, from CHAPTER ONE of Midnight Sun

For one short second, I was able to think clearly. In that precious instant, I saw two faces in my head, side by side.

One was mine, or rather had been: the red-eyed monster that had killed so many people that I’d stopped counting. I had been a killer of killers, a killer of other, less powerful monsters. It was a god complex, I acknowledged that—deciding who deserved a death sentence. It was a compromise with myself. I had fed on human blood, but only by the loosest definition. My victims were, in their various dark pastimes, barely more human than I was.

The other face was Carlisle’s.

There was no resemblance between the two faces. They were brightest day and blackest night.

There was no reason for a resemblance to exist. Carlisle was not my father in the basic biological sense. We shared no common features. The similarity in our coloring was a product of what we were, every vampire was corpse-pale. The similarity in the color of our eyes was another matter—a reflection of a mutual choice.

And yet, though there was no basis for a resemblance. I’d imagined that my face had begun to reflect his, to an extent, in the last seventy-odd years that I had embraced his choice and followed in his steps. My features had not changed, but it seemed to me as though some of his wisdom had marked my expression, a little of his compassion could be traced in the set of my mouth, and hints of his patience were evident on my brow.

All those tiny improvements were lost in the monster’s face. In a few moments, there would be nothing left in me that would reflect the years I’d spent with my creator, my mentor, my father in all the ways that counted. My eyes would glow red as a devil’s; all likeness would be lost forever.

In my head, Carlisle’s kind eyes did not judge me. I knew that he would forgive me for this horrible act. Because he loved me. Because he thought I was better than I was.

…

I would prove my father wrong about me. The misery of this fact hurt almost as much as the fire in my throat.

Presented by Edward "I have normal thoughts about my father and how I think his face is beautiful" Cullen, on why he should not murder all of Biology and Bella Swan today.

Shortly followed by two pages of blaming Bella for being delicious because then Carlisle won't love him anymore.

#twilight #twilight meta #twilight headcanon #twilight renaissance #edward cullen #anti edward cullen #edward/carlisle #anti edward/carlisle #carlisle cullen #meta #headcanon #opinion #unabashedgrumpy

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cto10121 · 2 months

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Twilight Clown Takes—Part 6

In which Instagram vies with YouTube on which platform has the most clownery. Featuring even more Bella hate dumb, the ~~~Mormon influences in Twilight, and a lot of hate for Jacob/Renesmee, including a fundamental misunderstanding of imprinting. We feast tonight, on nom nom

Bella Hate Dumb

Tell me you don’t know Twilight is a romance without telling me you don’t know Twilight is a romance.

Of course Bella’s life is going to revolve around her romance with Edward because Twilight is a romance! Her ambitions (which aren’t really many—just the vaguest idea of being a teacher or a librarian) aren’t important—hell, you could say the same thing about Edward! His entire existence constantly revolves around Bella and he constantly ditches his own family for her—even going off to commit suicide because of her.

And yet Edward, for all of his many whinging antis, is never accused of being a weak character. Creep or abusive, yes, but not weak. Wonder why? (The answer is misogyny).

In every one of the examples Clown OP mentioned, the humans either have 1) supernatural or learned martial skills or 2) the monsters they are fighting against have weaknesses that humans can easily exploit.

In the Twilight universe, vampires are literally the humans’ predators with no exploitable weaknesses. Vampires are not harmed by garlic, stakes, crucifixes, or the sun, nor do they have need to stick to hunting at night. No human can outrun or hold their own against a vampire. A young and healthy Carlisle couldn’t even handle a weakened vampire. The only creatures that can hold their own against vampires are werewolves, either the Children of the Night or the Quileute shapeshifters.

Bella is neither of them, and until very recently only learned vampires are real. Very few humans know for sure of their existance. So no, you can’t use the “it’s not an excuse!!1!!1” excuse to justify your misogyny, Clown OP. You can bitch about how the vampires are overpowered all you like (I’ll even agree!), but Bella is not weak for not being able to fight against them. She literally cannot.

Bella literally relates her life to classic literature in every book (Pride and Prejudice, Romeo and Juliet, Wuthering Heights, and Merchant of Venice), bitched about the thin selection of books at the Forks library, and nearly got raped looking for a good bookstore in Port Angeles (#relatable). She is a book girl, all right, and last time I checked, that is a hobby.

Also, Meyer hates Leah so much that she made her leave Sam behind and be free to become Jacob’s second-in-command and made Jacob learn to trust and respect her.

Because Bella’s insecurity is totally not a thing she overcomes and conquers by the end of the series and it’s not framed critically by the narrative. Because Twilight doesn’t totally show Bella’s parentification and how her parents just made her their parent. All these things just do not exist because to Clown OP only the first book and the dumb film series exist.

I literally read Life and Death not too long ago and there was essentially NO difference between Beau and Bella save in very minor details and (actually realistic) 2000s socialization. Beau’s “protectiveness” is largely emotional and ineffectual—it never actually serves a role in the story and Edythe dismisses it out of hand. He is not an active protagonist at all, or at least about as active as Bella is; he is still victimized in the latter half of the book and he even has to undergo a full vampire transformation.

Mormonism!!1!!1

Oh, God, where do I start?

“Humans who became divine—” And who lust for human blood to sustain them. There is already a creature who must drink blood to survive, so use it. Hell, Meyer didn’t even make up the whole “vampires are so beautiful/seductive/seemingly angelic” trope; that is your most basic vampire lore since Dracula.

“Bella’s aversion to drinking, smoking, coffee/tea—” Because a 17-year-old in the 2000s would totally smoke. Bella doesn’t go to parties, as she is de facto the parent of her family, so no, she wouldn’t drink and as the daughter of a police chief she would not have been raised to drink. As for coffee and tea, these are simply not mentioned—a far cry from being an aversion. Hell, no drink other than water and maybe milk is mentioned in the series. Does Bella even mention liquids???? She only seems to describe meals. As it is, Bella does ingest caffeine—she drinks Coke. Also, kind reminder that Bella has no religion.

“Rosalie/Leah feel incomplete not having babies—” Rosalie is a ‘30s girl who wanted to be a trad wife, which includes having children. Leah is worried that not having her period would make her unable to have children—not that she necessarily desires them, but it is weird and disconcerting not to have that option anymore. Moreover, Leah was getting ready to marry Sam, so she may have expected a life together with children. But it makes sense for their characters to be alike in this way, since they are mirror characters.

Meanwhile trad wife Esme is perfectly fine with adopting and caring for others and Alice doesn’t even mention that side of humanity at all. The Denali coven includes a trio of single sisters who loved having sex with human men so much that they decided to go vegetarian—they obviously are not obsessed with babies.

Jacob/Renesmee Hate Dumb

Apart from definitively resolving the love triangle, (thank God) Jacob’s imprinting on Renesmee stopped the Quileutes from attacking the Cullens after Bella gets bitten and changed—they have a law that prohibits harming a fellow werewolf’s imprintee. Moreover, it provides a much more firm alliance between the Cullens and Quileutes, thus resolving their rivalry/hate. But Clown OP doesn’t care about actual plot and theme resolutions, just the “ick” factor of the imprinting.

Meyer technically could have made the Cullens be forced to move after Bella’s becoming a vampire and have Renesmee and Jacob meet later. But I have a feeling that she didn’t expect to write more Twilight so she set up Jacob/Renesmee right away to dispel the love triangle once and for all. Given that Meyer got the idea of imprinting from A Midsummer Night’s Dream, that may have been her rationale.

That said, Jacob imprinting on Renesmee was a key plot point in Forever Dawn, the original sequel to Twilight, which did not have the love triangle—Jacob was just a platonic friend to Bella. Again, for plot and thematic resolutions, and perhaps for future set-ups.

Friendly reminder that movie canon is not canon and will never be because, ha, fuck the movies.

But! This does give me a chance to talk about imprinting in the books vs. the movies. Not only does Jacob never say anything of this sort to Edward in the books, but he doesn’t even have a reaction when he learns Renesmee will be fully grown in seven years. Edward confirms he doesn’t care and his feelings towards Renesmee are strictly platonic.

I read the official Twilight guide’s entry on imprinting—written very neutrally and very careful not to say anything about romance—and it basically confirms this:

If the human is young, the werewolf becomes the perfect platonic playmate and protector. As the human ages and changes, the werewolf instinctively switches roles to fulfill the human’s needs.

This implies that if the human doesn’t want to make the wolf a romantic partner, then the romance will simply not happen.

So what this shows me is that imprinting is not inherently a romantic phenomenon. The fact that Sam/Emily, Jared/Kim found each other in early adulthood and developed a romantic bond was because of the needs of Emily and Kim than Sam and Jared’s. Soulmates, after all, can be platonic.

So if Jacob/Renesmee ever become a thing, it would be because Renesmee herself would want it. Jacob would be incapable even to wish for anything more. In that sense, imprinting is the exact opposite of grooming: It is literally giving all the power to the imprintee.

The movies, quite frankly, fuck all this up. From portraying Jacob’s imprinting as a vision of Renesmee growing up (🤮 and not in the books) to his “joke” to Edward (stupid and 🤮 and not in the books) to Alice suddenly being able to have a vision Jacob and Renesmee together on the beach (in the books she cannot see werewolves or hybrids; this canon was broken by the movies for the fight scene with Meyer’s permission). So no, that is not how imprinting works.

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Who is each Cullen’s favorite superhero? +Bella and Jacob

With the caveat that I'm not super involved in superhero fandom so the pool I can pull from are going to be pretty Mainstream.

I feel like Carlisle has enough moral gray area in his existence as a vampire, he doesn't need that in his superheroes. He likes the aspirational and inspiring goodness of someone like Superman. Someone using their powers to help others because they can.

Likewise I think Esme might go for the Classic do-gooder types, your Wonder Woman types. Your Super Girls.

I could see Rosalie relating more to some of the villains or anti-heroes like Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy and Catwoman. They are more complicated than a lot of the heroes and I think Rose could relate to them. Maybe someone like Black Widow, too.

Emmett loves them all? Marvel and DC and anything else. I could see him loving the Hulk for his strength but doesn't relate to Bruce Banner at all. Loving Thor for this strength and his energy. Loving Spider-Man for his youthfulness. I could see him really loving the humor of the more recent Thor movies too.

Who has the best costume/super suit? That might factor into Alice's decision. I think she leans more into the X-Men types than the more Classic Superman stuff though. Maybe Scarlet Witch?

IDK about Jasper. He's always the one I feel is the least connected to human pop culture. Like he's aware of it because of Alice and Emmett but he doesn't like, care all that much. Just sort of passively absorbs it. But I guess he'd gravitate toward those characters who maybe start out on the villain side and then slowly switch over to the heroes.

I feel like Jacob is a Marvel type rather than DC too. Obviously hates Batman. Too much vampire imagery. The bats. The black cape. Not the vibes. I guess maybe he'd relate to the Hulk in the sense that strong emotions can trigger a phase? But again I don't know that he'd see a whole lot of himself in Bruce Banner as like, a scientist and all that.

Bella seems well-versed in superheroes (probably because SM has said she liked them), referencing radioactive spiders and saying she doesn't want to always be Lois Lane, that she wants to be Superman too. I guess maybe her favorite used to be Superman because of the comparisons between Lois/Clark and Bella/Edward.

Edward's is Batman, obviously.

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Jacob: There hasn’t been a pack since my great grandfather’s generation, but one thing we do know for sure is that vampires don’t like when you kill their mates.

Bella: Edward killed James, who was Victoria’s mate.

Jacob: Aha, this all makes sense now.

The literal 100+ year old Cullen family, upon returning to Forks and finding out Victoria has been hunting Bella since they left:

#the twilight saga #new moon #how did you NOT KNOW COME ON #Carlisle you are OVER 300 YEARS OLD AND YOU DIDNT KNOW?!?!#Edward didnt know and apparently NONE OF HIS FAMILY had a braincell between them to consider the possibility?!?!#anti Cullens #anti Carlisle Cullen #anti Edward Cullen #Anti Alice Cullen #Anti Emmett Cullen #Anti Rosalie Hale #Anti Jasper Hale #Anti Esme Cullen #Jacob Black

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virginiawerewoolfwazhere · 2 years

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Twilight Is So Straight, It’s Gay: An Exploration of Camp and the Unintended Queerness of Twilight

Camp aesthetic is a visual movement that communicates appeal through what would be considered tacky iconography, prescribing value (whether good or bad) through the irony of ugliness or gaudiness. It is theatrical, over-the-top, and dramatic. Campiness has long been tied inextricably to queer culture. Queer films little known to heteronormative society such as Debs, and, But I’m a Cheerleader, or even ubiquitous cult classics to the tune of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and, Hedwig and the Angry Inch are undeniably campy. Within these works, the performance of heterosexuality is unsettling and seems unnatural due to the theatricality of the relationships (one only has to see But I’m a Cheerleader’s Natasha Lyonne drowning in the mouth of her character’s football playing boyfriend during a make-out session to see what I mean here). This type of camp is intentional and pointed. However, the performance of heteronormativity can easily fall into the realm of camp without intending to.

Stephanie Meyer’s Twilight Saga is never intentionally Queer; in fact, there’s not even a whiff of overt gayness to be found in the behemoth four book teen melodrama. Edward Cullen and the rest of his vampire family, as well as the rest of the town of Forks seem to be one hundred percent heterosexual. But since its release in 2008, and especially since the 2020 Twilight “renaissance”, Twilight has accumulated a steadfast and growing queer following, leading to packed midnight showings of the films, memes, fan art, and more. Twilight’s over-performance of heterosexuality whilst simultaneously destabilizing aesthetic gender constructs places the series firmly, if unintentionally, within the campy queer classics canon.

Judith Butler’s Gender Trouble states,

“heterosexuality offers normative sexual positions that are intrinsically impossible to embody… both a compulsory system and an intrinsic comedy, a constant parody of itself…” (155).

Heterosexuality that does not have reproduction as a teleological goal is by nature not heterosexual, if society were to agree with the purpose of sexual desire as defined by anti-gay movements. In Twilight, the vampires are considered to be extremely sexually attractive, but in their current form, they cannot reproduce sexually. The relationships between vampires Alice and Jasper, Rosalie and Emmett, and, Carlisle and Esme, are now queer, because they are

“contesting the categories of sex or, at least, not in compliance with the normative presuppositions and purposes of that set of categories” (156).

However, that’s not to say that sexual anatomy and reproduction defines gender or sexuality. For Butler, the performance of gender in queer relationships has to do with the destabilization of perceived gender constructs as they come into “erotic interplay” (157). A femme lesbian being sexually attracted to only cis-gendered women, but also being aroused by a butch lesbian’s performance of masculinity, is an example of that erotic interplay. This becomes even more expansive in contemporary queer discourse, as we start to understand the performance of gender beyond the binary of men and women. Edward and Bella embody this destabilization through each of their gender crossing attributes. When Bella first witnesses Edward’s vampiric skin when it interacts with sunlight, she narrates,

“his skin, white despite the faint flush from yesterday’s hunting trip, literally sparkled, like thousands of tiny diamonds were embedded in the surface…his shirt open over his incandescent chest, his scintillating arms bare.” (Meyer 260).

Bella later goes on to say, “I would have liked to lie back, as he did, and let the sun warm my face. But I stayed curled up, my chin resting on my knees unwilling to take my eyes off of him” (260).

Edward becomes the object of sexual desire for Bella, subverting the narrative convention of the female being the focus of male desire.

Masculine presenting people wearing glitter and being desired sexually is an intersection of the erotic interplay of gender performances. Edward is meant to be at his most beautiful when he’s in the sun. Meyer’s reasoning for his beauty is that it makes him, according to Edward himself, a perfect predator. He says,

“Everything about me invites you in – my voice, my face, even my smell” (263).

Meyer’s vampires use the erotic interplay of masculinity embodying elements of feminine presentation as an example of the ideal form of sexual desire, and therefore are able to seduce their prey before killing them. It is reminiscent, in some ways, of the seduction of Janet and Brad by Dr. Frank N. Furter, whose own drag aesthetic is considered to be erotic to all of the characters in The Rocky Horror Picture Show at one point or another.

Edward and Bella are also transgressive due to the differences in their species. Edward states many times throughout their will-they or won’t-they courtship that their being together is a bad idea. In fact, he likens it to a predator falling in love with its prey; in the same scene where Bella sees his sparkly skin for the first time. He says,

“And so the lion fell in love with the lamb” (273),

noting the innate perverseness of their love. Vampire stories have been linked to queerness for nearly two centuries. Dracula leads the way with the homoerotic subtext between The Count and Jonathan Harker in Bram Stokers 1897 novel, something that is essentially canonized in the BBC adaptation from 2020. In the series, Sister Agatha Van Helsing asks Harker if he had “sexual intercourse with Count Dracula” and he remembers back to a dream he had at the castle where his sexual fantasies of Mina shift into a sexual fantasy of Dracula. The series ends with Van Helsing and Dracula together in their own sexual fantasy, which shows the way transgressive sexuality is eroticized in the vampire plot. Van Helsing hates Dracula for his cruelty, but is still attracted to him. Edward lacks Dracula’s cruelty, but his monstrous status has in actuality turned him into an ideal beauty. Bella is attracted to him in part because of his inhumanity, describing his face as angelic or godlike (Meyer 262). Her attraction to Edward is transgressive in a similar way Agatha Van Helsing’s obsession with Dracula is transgressive.

In a pivotal scene in both the book and the later 2008 adaptation starring Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, the vampire family plays a game of baseball together. The Cullen family can only play baseball during a thunderstorm, due to their super vampire strength (apparently they can hit a baseball hard enough to be mistaken for a crack of thunder, but yet the ball remains completely intact). Baseball seems to be a fairly all American, wholesome, straightforward activity. However, the way the Cullen family plays is decidedly theatrical. Everything they do is over the top and extra, from their vehicles;

“They circled around Rosalie’s red convertible, unmistakable lust in their eyes” (Meyer 222),

to Edward’s piano playing, to baseball. Everything is designed to make them stand out, and apart from the rest of the town. They are the monstrous other, even if they never actually drink human blood. Their everyday activities are performance.

The Cullen family is theatrical in all things, but especially in romantic partnerships. The first night Bella and Edward ever spend together, she tells him that she loves him. He responds with,

“‘You are my life now’” (314),

which is an intense confession to make after one kiss and a sleepover. Throughout the rest of the novels, Edward and Bella remain obsessed with each other to the point of suicide. In the second installment, New Moon Edward believes Bella has died, and tries to kill himself. He says to Bella,

“I wasn’t going to live without you,” (Meyer 263).

In the last installment, Breaking Dawn, when Bella almost dies (again), he forms a suicide pact with Jacob where he wishes for Jacob to kill him if Bella doesn’t survive. He tells Jacob,

“the moment Bella’s heart stops beating, I’ll be begging you to kill me” (Meyer 70).

The theatricality of their relationship, along with the transgressive nature of the vampire plot, turns displays of heterosexuality into unintentional camp. This, paired with the erotic interplay of gender performances, shows us that Twilight is so straight, it’s gay.

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Edward, Carlisle and Esme: The Cullen Ménage à Trois

I can't help finding it very convenient for Edward that by shacking up Esme and Carlisle, he gets to be the center of the world of the two people he cares most about.

Esme loves him more than anything, even maybe her husband, as any mother would, meaning she'll ultimately always be on his size.

Carlisle, though, is more independent. Sure, Edward has a special place as Carlisle’s first creation, but Carlisle has a job (doctor) and an identity outside of the coven (that weird monk). Edward, ever the clever bugger, ensures he’ll never leave by finding her a wife who will always be devoted first and foremost to him.

I find that hilarious.

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On imprinting. PART 3 : Jacob and Renesmee. If you have read Muffin and Vinelle 's posts I think you know that it may not be natural(Renesmee has an extra gift). Does this mean that Renesmee can/has to make babies with Jacob? I don't think that hybrids are fertile( ie. mules, different number of chromosomes etc). Let's assume she is. Will the Cullens be ok with this? What if she refuses? Does he kidnap her to La Push? Will she run away? Does she kills him and blames the Volturi?

Building off parts 1 and 2 of the original ask,

I would say that Renesmee most likely can make babies with Jacob, but I don't think (as per canon lore) she necessarily has to. Given Stephenie Meyer's penchant for neatly wrapped Happy Endings, I think you're right to assume that Renesmee would magically defy common biological rules about hybrid reproduction and that she could (and inevitably would) bear healthy children someday down the line.

Now, if Renesmee and Jacob weren't written by Stephenie Meyer... (*wistful sigh*)

I'm not sure Renesmee would, in fact, want to have kids with Jacob. As a child prodigy, I'm guessing she would pick up on the fact that something is Off about Jacob and the imprinting system in general pretty quickly--and given that a. she seems to learn/think more quickly than most humans and b. that shapeshifters retain their humanity, I think that (as per Muffin and Vinelle's stories) Renesmee would quickly become bored hanging out with Jacob. She seems more wired towards interacting with vampires or other human-vampire hybrids...and naturally, given the imprint, this arrangement would quickly become a problem.

Since we don't know much about Renesmee in canon, either, I'm not quite sure how she would attempt to solve it (especially since there's a certain nosy mind-reader in the house). She might reach out to Carlisle for help, as he's self-disciplined enough to keep thought-secrets from Edward and is the most scientifically and supernaturally knowledgeable member of the household--and if Carlisle couldn't come up with any anti-imprint solution himself, he could also call up his old "BFF" in Volterra, Italy who is arguably even more knowledgeable (and has similarly knowledgeable people within arm's reach). Of course, at that point (since Edward has some weirdly sensitive Anti-Aro Alarms), the pair would likely be found out, and the imprint's ticking time bomb would explode in their face.

This is when, I think, Jacob might dramatically (and toxically) double down on the imprint and Renesmee might (try to) resort to violence to escape it--depending on how everyone else in the Cullen household reacts to Renesmee not loving Jacob Like That, of course. In Vinelle's "Bleach on the Brain" (as you may or may not know), slight spoiler alert, no one reacts well, so... Renesmee would likely have to get Very, Very Creative to succeed. She can't beat a full vampire in a fight, let alone multiple at a time, and she can't outrun them either, so she would need at least one vampire in the house on her side--and Carlisle would already be on Edward Watch (especially if he did reach out to Aro), so she'd have to be operating at prime prodigy level and a lot of stars would have to align for her to be free of the imprint without any supernatural solution.

What, exactly, this success story would look like...? I'm not sure. But I am sure that @therealvinelle and @thecarnivorousmuffinmeta would have more to say on the subject...

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