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I was rewatching Frozen 1 + 2 the other day, and the following question popped into my head: What if Elsa had not created an eternal winter when she ran away from the palace?
Alright, Elsa runs away after having displayed her powers but doesn't accidentally freeze the country in her flight.
Initially not much actually changed.
There's still grumblings of "witch" and "what the fuck?" from the people present, not helped since Elsa fled the scene with no explanation, and they're still sending out a search party for the queen. It's no longer as vital, the country isn't in a sudden winter because of her, but it's still pretty vital as she was just coronated and oh good god succession nonsense.
Not helping is that, like canon, Anna wants to go after her sister as she sees her running off as her fault for having prompted the ice outburst (but also that Elsa's being very unreasonable and needs to come back and calm down). Everyone wants Anna to stay and er maybe be queen instead (as Elsa was only just crowned so no one's attached) and also because they need someone in charge and can't lose both heirs in one day but as in canon, Anna won't hear of it.
"Hans, you're in charge", Anna says, and takes off. Hans hopes both Anna and Elsa die in the mountains but also wonders if he can be king without actually having married into the family yet. This is going fast even for him.
Anna's trek is still treacherous as she's hiking up a glacier, but she might not run into Kristoff. If she doesn't, she probably doesn't make it and has a terrible accident on the way. If she does, they probably make worse time without the sleigh.
Regardless, Anna and Elsa still have their confrontation but this time Elsa doesn't have her freak out about "oh my god I made it eternal winter outside". Anna may be thrown out normally, in which case she doesn't have to rush to get true love's kiss and probably camps out on the glacier until Elsa comes home already. If there's a fight then the rest of the movie happens accordingly except that there's no blizzard and no pretext of killing Elsa to stop the winter.
So...
Basically, the movie happens.
It's just not 'frozen'.
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Carlisle lived a very long life and saw his country change. And he seems to be doing a good job of it.
How will Bella cope with the fact that the language in her country will change, in general everything will change in a few centuries (assuming she lives that long)
Switched countries even several times!
Interesting question though, personally, not well. This has already been touched on before.
Bella's joining the Cullens not solely to become a vampire but really to become a 'Cullen'. She has been told (and to be fair, Edward believes this himself, and it's also all he's ever known either and part of the reason he sees himself as so ancient and worldly at a mere 100) that the Cullens have this lifestyle they'll maintain forever where the children go off and pretend to be in high school, Carlisle's a doctor, they're very wealthy and beautiful, and then every few years they do it again.
Edward implies that this is many many times (when it's probably far less than he implies just given the timing of it). Every once in a while we get anomalous runs where Rosalie and Emmett go off on an extended honeymoon somewhere, they all go to university, but more or less you can count on this stability and family unit.
I don't think Bella's going to take any change to that well. Now, she may gladly go off with Edward and perhaps the addition of Renesmee and Jacob on an extended honeymoon vacation but she's really based her new existence on this idea of doing this. It's how she knows the Cullens, she very much sees them as these roles they play at and if those cease to exist then who are these people?
I think she'll handle things okay if she can keep going to high school with Edward and the others, if the Cullen cover story maintains intact, even if things like subjects they're learning and slang used change. What will throw her for a loop is if that cover story disappears or else changes drastically.
I don't see her handling it well.
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how would harry fare as a vampire? or adopted by carlisle
About as well as any other vampire.
Obviously, depends how this all is happening and if we're remotely canon compliant then Harry's going to go around eating Death Eaters/Voldemort and telling himself that this must be what the prophecy meant in "neither can live while the other survives" (Yes, I know you'll be angry with me for saying this, but believe me, I just reread the chapter where Harry tells himself for three months straight that the prophecy means he'll become an immortal warlord/master of death and he must collect all three trinkets to become a god. I'm sorry. He would do this and be very annoyed that Ron and Hermione don't like it.)
Now, this probably gets Harry killed by the Volturi because Harry will be very focused on being very noticeable to humans/making sure the Death Eaters and Voldemort know that Harry now has supreme power.
As for Carlisle...
Harry would like the idea of him, but I think he wouldn't like the diet and would very quickly conclude what Edward had when he was young which was "I can just eat bad people" and would be very annoyed at Carlisle trying to control him.
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About the twilight series, which gift do you think Aro most desire/need to add to the volturi guard? Before and after the events of the twilight series. Because after breaking dawn He needs some kind of gift to counter bella, but before he probably had a different gift on his mind…
I had the thought that a teleportation gift will be very useful to the volturi- help on missions (getting there faster, taking vampires straight to voltera), help Heidi with the humans…
Hope to hear your thoughts on that 🤍
I'm going to be boring and say what he wants is a Bella.
He wants someone who can make sure that the next Jane/Alec isn't turned against him. So far it's worked out because Janes and Alecs are rare and Jane and Alec are more powerful than other iterations (see Kate) with a broad AOE effect but there's always a chance and having someone like Bella who can defend against such attacks is the piece he's really missing.
Everything else while convenient isn't vital for longterm survival of the organization or else is already covered.
And after Breaking Dawn it's not so much countering Bella, though that is nice, but more having to get rid of Bella period.
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Is tea soup? Why or why not?
No.
Because if someone said "here's your soup" and brought me tea I'd be very upset.
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Are you excited about the Mononoke film? It should be out this summer.
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I am very stoked.
I love Mononoke, one of my favorite animes.
I'm ready.
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Who do you feel more pity for, Harry or Edward?
Harry.
Edward's problems, while to be fair seem to be a part of his nature and not something he can easily change, are consistently entirely of his own making.
As much flack as I give Harry, all of his problems are beyond his control and much of his life is manipulated by those around him whom he trusts from early childhood who have come up with cartoonish plots ensuring his misery/death.
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I love narcissa! She’s charming and interesting! Honestly hoping we see more of her in future chapters or in any of the secret fics
The Man Who Would be King by me and @therealvinelle, in which Narcissa is charming and interesting! Thanks anon!
Look, @therealvinelle, praise!
(Sadly, Narcissa only has vague cameos in Secret Fic thus far and while all things are possible that's not likely to change)
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Can we see you guys' Black family tree sometime? Maybe after you've finished with tmwwbk if there's spoilers
Sadly, there are many spoilers for both The Man Who Would Be King and Secret Fic, so @therealvinelle and I can't post. But we can definitely post when we feel we've left the danger zone/it's relevant.
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What- what does Alphard think the Knight bus is? "Functionally a brothel"??? Is it?
The Man Who Would Be King by me and @therealvinelle
In the words of @therealvinelle in a comment that asked just this
It's a bus consisting of beds that nobody ever takes, the people on it are just on it for the sake of… hanging out, nothing to see here… and no one takes it apart from Harry that one time he accidentally flagged it down. Never mentioned as an option by anybody, and as Heyob wrote in their fic (as we had the same idea at the same time, I love Heyob for this) (https://archiveofourown.org/works/54186907) Ernie is paid enough to tell people not to fuck on the beds but not enough to recite that rule. In other words, that Knight Bus is just so unbelievably shady, massive opium den vibes, I'm if Harry asked Stan would have given him a blunt.
My answer is functionally the same but I can go into more detail.
Who Takes the Knight Bus
We have generally one solid general reason people would deign to take the Knight Bus: those who cannot Apparate and those who cannot use the Floo network.
Now, this might be those who could not afford Apparition lessons and or never passed their exams as well as those who are not on the Floo network in general. You could also have those who legally cannot Apparate, such as Harry when he was underage in book three. And also those who are not in a state to Apparate or Floo: in other words those who are hopelessly inebrieated.
Basically, if you can do the other two though (or portkey) you're not taking it because you can get where you're going faster, easier, cheaper (Knight Bus takes longer and while costs miniscule sickles that still more sickles than you'd pay to Apparate and you have to deal with the fucking bus).
So daytime hours you might have a small but decent commuting crowd during rush hour or what have you the same you do in most public transit.
But what happens when everything... closes...
Now you don't have the people going to and from work or to and from stores, everything's closed. When Harry rides it in third year at night, we see everything weirdly change to beds and the people riding it are just... loitering around... not leaving. They're in fact all served refreshments.
What you have then are the drunk people returning from pubs who are too sloshed to go home/don't want to go home yet and people who don't want to rent a room for however much money/be at a known establishment where people might recognize them and instead pay 3 sickles to ride the bus with the beds on it to have their fun.
Basically.
It's the shadiest fucking thing to be riding at three am and there is no universe in which it is not functionally a brothel between the hours of 12 to 5 am per the way JKR describes its operations.
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Hey sooo I left a comment on “Painting Red Madonnas” but I wanted to send an anon to make sure you got it (hope that’s not cringe of me lmao)
Basically Painting Red Madonnas is literally my favorite piece of media. Like all the movies I’ve watched, books I’ve read, I prefer PRM. I love the humor, love the characterizations… I don’t know, I feel like you reached into my brain to see what I’d like. I mean that’s kinda narcissistic sounding, but I think you get what I mean; I love your writing. You have such a way with words, and the humor is done so well!
Thank you
(Also if you ever publish something original let us know! I know I’m not the only one who loves your work :3 )
I saw it! Thanks for the praise! Glad you enjoyed the fic so much.
You actually saved me the trouble of pointing you to tumblr as I have published original things now: The Heart of the World (@janedoewrites) but because of Ao3 policy wouldn't have been able to tell you about it there.
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Ok, soo I know this could never happen in canon for myriad reasons (singers not being that common, the Volturi existing, Edward only being into Bella due to some perfect storm of conditions...)
But let's say Edward meets a human, falls in love, desires to keep that human a non-vampire, and gets his way so eventually that human dies of old age. How many times could Edward repeat this process before he goes mad? What would Bella think meeting an Edward who's had 1? 2? deceased human flames.
0.
See, he tried this once with Bella, and his plan was to kill himself when she died. So, presumably, upon the death of this human, Edward would show up in Volterra and do what he did in New Moon.
Now, if he did survive and just got more depressed, Bella would find him to be very tragic and that much more romantic as he keeps having these doomed loves of which she is the latest and the greatest. Perhaps she's their reincarnation! Because it's couched in this tragic romance, and they're all safely dead, they're not really a threat to Bella and I don't imagine would register as romantic rivals. Especially not when Edward's all in with her. Tanya and Rosalie are far more pressing, far more real threats.
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“Great-great-grandmother Ursula only died last year, and that was after she took a tumble off her broomstick.”
No, actually, it was because one of the idiot beaters had directed a bludger at her head, but Alphard wasn’t going to bring that up.”
I’ve been re-reading this fic after yesterday’s update and it truly is amazing. But my real question is, what’s the story with Great-great-grandmother Ursula. She’s sounds like she’s from almost two generations above Dumbledore and she was still playing Quidditch ? Was she sitting in the stands? What kind of woman was she and how did she die ?
Thank you so much for thé fic it is wonderful and I am so excited for any future updates.
Look, @therealvinelle, praise!
The answer is that secret fic has required @therealvinelle and I to make a hilariously detailed and notated Black family tree in order to keep track both of characters and family scandals. We needed an example of one of the relatives who does last forever (shockingly few of them as JKR had a purge of the entire goddamn family ~1980-1990 that's beautifully hilarious) and we needed a reason for her to have died.
We settled on Great-Great Grandmother Ursula Flint, married to Phineus Nigellus Black (the headmaster guy we see in the books), who we decided lasted until 1981 (good for her!) and so we thought sudden unsuspicious death in the wizarding world, could be a lot of things, eh she gets hit in the head in Quidditch. Which is to say she was most certainly playing.
Great-Great Grandmother Ursula was one of those little old ladies who lived forever and never seemed to run out of energy or the life to go out and do (sometimes inadvisable) things. She was one of those little old ladies who you want to be when you grow up, who just keeps on going even though her husband died sixty years prior, and is out there playing Quidditch with the rest of them. This unfortunately leads to her death when "an idiot beater" hits her not realizing that yes, he is playing against a little old lady and perhaps he should not go all out. She died as she lived. In glory.
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how would Breaking dawn change if Edward had voiced more usual concerns about Bella's pregnancy?
like less about the baby being a monster that would kill Bella and more "I'm seventeen! for a pretty long while, but I'm still seventeen! and you're not that much older, I don't think we're ready to be parents"
not sure if that could be in character for him to do sincerely, so maybe he'd say it because he thought that would work better to convince her to abort?
You're hilarious, anon.
The thing was Bella was absolutely not being talked out of it. Which is her body and her right, for all it's not a decision I'd make in her place. It's true Edward didn't try the more tried and true arguments, but that's because his arguments, which were at the time quite valid, were "you will die if you do this and we don't know what that thing will be".
And Bella said "I know it will be amazing, I'm okay with dying, it'll be great" and that was it. If Edward brought that up she'd just tell him she knows they'll be great parents because she wasn't ready to get married but then she did and now it's great and it's the same thing with being a mom right now (remember she thinks exactly this in canon).
Nothing would change except you get Rosalie/Emmett and Esme/Carlisle making offers to raise the baby/help raise the baby in the event of er Bella's untimely death if Edward doesn't think he's ready. Edward doesn't like that either.
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wow i LOVE all your hp meta. it's SO good. thank you! have a great day!
Thanks anon!
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Do you think a hybrid would make a good member of the Volturi in any capacity? Obviously if they had a particularly useful gift, Aro would probably offer them a place but what about a regular hybrid? I think they'd at least make a good replacement for the human secretaries (mostly because I think they're a liability). Do you have any thoughts?
If they didn't have a useful gift?
No.
But that goes for vampires too. We see it with Laurent, he's as strong and fast as your regular vampire but is useless so he gets the punt. As for hybrids being better secretaries, not really, because they still don't look human and don't have a human background/can handle human interactions in the sense of knowing what to do/how you're supposed to engage with people which is what the secretaries are there for.
Not to mention the hybrid might accidentally eat whatever human they're dealing with and then what are you going to do?
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What if vampirism caused baldness. What would change.
I imagine wigs are a big thing for vampires/especially the Cullens. Rosalie uses this as one more thing she hates about vampirism, it stole her hair from her, and Edward's very bitter as well.
The big difference is Edward points out to Bella that vampirism will make her bald and Bella insisting she doesn't care because she can get a cool wig except... she kind of... does...
Edward really does and is very into Bella's natural hair.
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