#Gabriel Agreste deserves anything but what canon did with him
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I actually thought that Adrien and Gabriel's relationship seemed like it might have been possible to salvage in the early seasons. What do you think?
@tallwriter Starting a new post since this one was getting super long as this is a different topic.
The problem with Gabriel Agreste's character is that they very clearly wanted to write a sympathetic villain - you can tell that from how the show handles his death - but sympathetic villains don't work if you make them cartoonishly evil. You have to handle the situation with nuance and delicacy, especially when one of the main heroes is the villain's son.
Gorizilla is not a perfect episode by any means, but it does showcase how Gabriel should have been written if they wanted him to come across as complex and sympathetic. In that episode, Gabe thinks that Adrien is Chat Noir and, because there's no way to magically force Adrien to reveal himself or confess his secrets, Gabriel has to come up with a situation where Adrien would be forced to transform of his own free will (since that can't be overwritten with a ring or something crazy like that). Which is how we get Adrien hurtling to his death while his father looks on:
Adrien: Always! (jumps out of Gorizilla's hand, and over the side of the building) Yeah-ha!
Hawk Moth:(from his lair) No!
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Hawk Moth:(from his lair) If indeed you are Cat Noir, then transform, son. Please. (Adrien continues to fall downward, resolutely remaining as he is) Come on, son!
(Ladybug looks down at Adrien, then raises her head, eyes closed.)
Ladybug: Cat Noir, help!!
Hawk Moth:(from his lair, to Gorizilla) Drop Ladybug!
This is good writing. Yes, Gabe's plan was kind of dumb (you live with Adrien, dude, just bug his room), but if we accept that this was the only way to go about a forced reveal - and that does seem to be the writer's logic - then we see a situation where Gabriel put his son above winning. A situation where he's still very much the villain, but he's not a dastardly, cold-hearted one. He does love his son.
There are actually several of these moments in the first three seasons. Some involve Adrien and many more involve Nathalie. It's why season five's claim that Gabe put beating Ladybug above everything else rings hollow. He never actually did that outside of Evolution (S5E1). He's almost always been loved-ones first when it really counts, a thing that Ladybug uses against him in the final when she tries to crush Emilie. The whole "Ladybug obsession" thing truly feels like something they just made up for that one episode to justify Nathalie "turning sides" aka doing nothing useful beyond maintaining the status quo (hey, they needed someone to keep the senti plot from having consequences and it wasn't like she was doing anything useful anyway!)
The problem is that this "loved ones first" mentality is only used for big dramatic moments, often as a way to keep Gabriel from winning. It's not Gabriel's main characterization even though it needed to be if you want season five's ending to feel even remotely earned. Going into that ending, we should have all thought that Gabe was a messed up dude who truly did love his son. And, if Gorizilla, Style Queen, and Ladybug had all been examples of his standard characterization, then we would have thought that.
But that's not who the writers told us Gabe was.
Instead, his standard characterization paints him as petty, controlling, and manipulative. Which is wild because there was no reason to do that! Gabe could - and should - have been played as stern and removed, but generally loving when he's outside of the mask. In other words, Gabriel Agreste could be well liked while Hawk Moth was hated.
The crazy thing is that this is such a simple change to make. You either removed the episodes where Gabe's awful parenting is the source of the conflict (ex: Bubbler) or you just make a few minor changes to show that he's conflicted about his actions.
For example, take Chat Blanc, the episode that ruined so many elements of this show! In that episode, Gabe is a total bastard. He happily sacrifices his son's happiness to make an akuma in the form of Marinette and then, when Adrien's secret is revealed, does Gabe have any sort of conflict about traumatizing his son? The kind of conflict we'd expect after episodes like Gorizilla? Nope! He straight up delights in showing Adrien Emilie's... corpse? Comatose form? Whatever! Gabe then akumatizes Adrien with a smile on his face.
That gets the writers a solid F for consistent characterization. It's why I highlighted "almost" in red when I mentioned Gabe's motivation. Because in Ephemeral and Chat Blanc, the writing ignores the sympathetic stuff that characterizes the dramatic moments and goes straight for the worst-father-of-the-year, love-to-hate-him, please-let-him-die-now characterization that we get in most episodes.
If you were writing Chat Blanc's Gabriel to fit his intended complex, sympathetic mold, then you would probably drop the breakup plot or you'd have spent all season setting Marinette up as the perfect akuma target, changing the breakup into something that Gabriel felt that he HAD to do instead of opportunistic evilness. You'd also have Gabe drop a line like, "I'm sorry, Adrien. You'll thank me later" before the Chat Blanc akumatization. Or at least don't have him grinning! Do something, ANYTHING to show that Gabe sees using his son like this as a necessary evil and not a fun time! You know, like how he was begging Adrien to transform during Gorizilla? Almost like Gabe had stopped caring about winning and started just wanting his son to live.
Would these changes make Gabe less of a fun cartoon villain? Yes, but that's the point. Cartoon villains are cartoony. They're over the top. They have no nuance. Sympathetic villains don't work with those characteristics.
The normal way to get around this in a cartoon setting is to have secondary antagonists who can be played as cartoonishly evil. And, confusingly, Miraculous has those characters. Chloe, Sabrina, and Lila have been here since season one (Kim could also have stayed a bully and been added to that list, but he's not a teenage girl, so I get why they didn't do that /s.) Felix has been around since seasons three. Nathalie has been an active villain since season two. Any or all of these characters could be the cartoonish, nuance-less villain while Gabriel stays sympathetic.
Instead, they play Gabe however they want to play him in any given episode, making it so that he's impossible to understand from an audience perspective. I personally like the sympathetic take and think that those are the show's best episodes because I like complex villains. It's even how I write Gabe in my stuff because I go for less cartoony takes on canon.
I don't think a redemption was needed, but a sympathetic villain doesn't require one. All that term means is that you can understand the villain and be sympathetic to their plight. Redemption is optional. In fact, the goal is often not redemption, but an understand that, "there but for the grace of the gods go I." I mean, we've all lost loved ones. Wouldn't the power to bring a loved one back tempt you, too?
If they wanted to go for evil, cartoony Gabe, then they needed to drop all of the complexity and go for a Disney villain type character who gets a Disney villain death a la Scar or Mother Gothel. Don't give Gabe the wish. Let him fall to his own hubris by falling into the water of his secret layer and lading as a puddle of ash while a sad Ladybug looks on, having just failed to save him.
If you want to see an excellent look at how cartoon Gabe could have worked, then I highly recommend @zoe-oneesama's Scarlet Lady comic, which is just nearing its end after a multi-year run. I think it's fair to say that Zoe and I largely agree on canon's flaws, she just fixes them by leaning into the cartoon side of things, creating a hilarious story with lots of heart. Canon could have absolutely gone that way too and worked out wonderfully! The issue is not a lack of nuance, it's that they tried to add nuance without ever fully committing to it, making a story that is the worst of both worlds. While a more serious nuanced reboot would be my ideal dream, a reboot that scraps all of Gabe's nuance and just makes him go full evil would be just as satisfying and Zoe proves that.
#ml season 5 salt#ml salt#ml writing criticism#ml writing critical#Gabriel Agreste deserves better#Gabriel Agreste deserves worse#Gabriel Agreste deserves anything but what canon did with him#Let me love to hate him#Or watch sadly as he ruins his relationship with his son#Just don't give me the mess that is canon
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Hi, I'd be interested in some fanfictions that center around Nino (all ships welcome, bonus points if it's the core four hanging out).
Most fics that have him tagged don't focus on him. If you have any recs lmk, feel free to take as long as you need! Have a nice day
I'm on it! So long as you're fine with ships that also revolve around couples anyway, otherwise this would be rather sparse. I'm gonna go ahead and limit it to completed fics. Oh, and if you wonder why some of these have commentary and some don't, it's because the ones with commentary are from previous reclists I made.
(Edit: I'd said that I'd only include complete fics, but I accidentally included Withered Wings anyway, because I kinda forgot that. It's pretty close to finished at any rate, and it's good and long so I'm keeping it.)
Within Your Heart by Inkyibis
It’s Valentine’s Day and Ladybug just wants to her superhero partner to find his love.
And what she wants, the Lucky Charm will create.
If only she could remember what it is she did last night.
Adrino fic here! Marinette’s drunk and feeling awful that her superhero partner is alone on Valentine’s (she’s in a loving and committed relationship with Alya), so she creates a Lucky Charm to help Chat find love! In this universe, Ladybug’s Lucky Charms have the power to create new rules for the universe to follow, such as making one that demands that if you have any magic in you, you have to tell the truth or else you’ll freeze. Or in Adrien’s case, that he has to wake up in the arms of his true love every day XD. It’s very sweet and I love both Adrien’s and Nino’s relationship, and the relationship between the rest of the Miracuteam members as well, even though that’s not the focus.
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I’ll give myself a name (something stupid and pretentious) by @bbutterflies
Nino looked at the number and didn’t recognize it. Usually he wouldn’t answer, but he had nothing better to do – and could still really use a distraction – so he did. “Hello?”
“Hey, Nino.”
Nino stood up quickly, chest tightening. He knew that voice. He’d been waiting to hear it again for over two years. “Adrien?” he whispered.
“Yeah. It’s me."
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When Monarch is defeated (and revealed to be Gabriel Agreste), Chat Noir immediately goes missing. Adrien disappears not long after. When Adrien finally shows up in Paris again, Nino would do anything to make sure he doesn't disappear again.
Ah this is lovely, Adrien’s been in a lot of emotional turmoil since Monarch’s defeat, convinced that everyone would hate him, SHOULD hate him, for not realizing that his father was the villain, and should hate him even more for disappearing like he does. But slowly Marinette and Nino get through to him, convince him that they just want him back.
And also Adrien and Nino smooch. Multiple times. So that’s a bonus XD.
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Would Trust You With Everything by @kasienda
Nino breaks off, tears streaking down his face. Adrien wishes he was here as himself instead of Chat so he could offer a hug.
“It’s not like I don’t think she deserved her privacy. It’s just it felt like I was her last priority. And if I knew why, then maybe we could overcome it. But when I don’t, I’m not willing to be her last thought. You know? I always put her first.”
“Yeah,” Chat agrees, able to relate too well. He always put Ladybug first too, and he’s not sure it has ever been the same for her. “I’m sorry you’ve been so alone through this."
“I haven’t been totally alone,” Nino disagrees, holding up his phone. “My best friend has been keeping me company virtually most of the day.”
“Yeah? It helped?”
“I don’t know if any of the stuff he sent helped, but like, given what I know he’s up to, he totally had to move heaven and earth to talk to me so much, and that really helped. You know, just knowing that someone was thinking of me.”
“I’m glad,” Chat Noir said. “I wish he could be there in person for you.”
Nino sighs. “Yeah, me too, but at least you’re here."
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Season 4 au - canon divergent from Rocketear Rocketear led to DJWiFi breakup.
Ahh, Adrino my beloved XD. I love the identity shenanigans in this one with Adrien being around Nino as both Adrien and Chat Noir, and both of them vaguely describing their situations to each other. It takes Adrien a bit to figure out that he has a crush on Nino, but once he does...
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The moment I knew (I’d no choice but to love you) by @bbutterflies
“He’s dating me,” Nino said, taking Adrien’s hand in his own.
Adrien could only stare back at him in shock.
“How dare you all force him to come out?” Nino continued, glaring at the reporters. “That was disgusting.” He pulled Adrien over to the car, guided him in, and shut the door behind them.
In the relative quiet and privacy of the backseat, Adrien finally processed what had just happened. “So… when were you going to tell me we were dating?”
This Adrino fic is delicious XD. Reporters keep hounding Adrien about his love life, so Nino finally gets them off Adrien’s back by fake-dating him. Problem is, Adrien’s actually been madly in love with Nino for years but has never been able to tell him. And now as they’re spending more time together, Nino’s beginning to find that he’s enjoying all these “couple” activities more than maybe he ought to if it’s entirely platonic...
If you want to see Adrien and Nino PINING for each other while “fake” dating (is it really fake if both parties want it to be real?) then you’ve come to the right fic!
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Chemistry With Him by @bbutterflies
It kind of sucked Nino was taking chemistry, but classes had filled up fast and he needed to take something and his advisor had said the credits would, somehow, count towards his major. It really sucked he was taking it first thing on a Monday morning (and Wednesdays, and Fridays, unfortunately). But he could get through it. He knew he could.
So no more boys. No distractions. He could do this all on his own.
“Is anyone sitting here?”
Nino looked up to find the source of the voice. A blond, green-eyed, absolutely beautiful someone.
Okay. Maybe one distraction.
Ah, adorable Adrino. This is a universe where Adrien never went to public school, so while Chat Noir, Ladybug, Carapace, and Rena Rouge all know each other (and Marinette, Alya, and Nino all know each other’s identities) they’re unaware that they are all already friends with Adrien. I loved seeing Chat and Carapace excitedly tell each other about their awesome crush/boyfriend, not knowing they were talking about each other XD.
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Strangely Familiar by @sunfoxfic
Alya Césaire’s life is perfect. Indeed, between the success of the Ladyblog, how well she’s doing in school, and the fact that she’s a superhero who has never bore the weight of a crisis of epic proportions, her life almost couldn’t be better. Almost.
But Alya has always been a go-getter, and so she’ll chase after that perfect life if it kills her. Which is how she ends up rushing to move out of her father’s apartment and in with Marinette, Adrien, and a complete stranger: Nino Lahiffe. And in fact, her life does seem perfect — she and Nino are fast friends. They spend a lot of time together and get to know each other really well.
But in the end, fortunate situations will bear unfortunate truths, and she learns things about herself that aren’t quite comfortable. Like I said, though: Alya has always been a go-getter, and she won’t let new feelings deter her from chasing after her perfect life.
This is the single longest DJWifi-centric fic on AO3 (which is a travesty) and it is GLORIOUS. Alya and Nino are both well fleshed-out here, with their own problems and baggage they’re dealing with, but it’s easier together.
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Shelltering Others by @rosie-b:
When Ladybug wakes Nino up in the middle of the night to scold him for revealing his identity, he thinks his career as a Miraculous holder is over. But instead, Ladybug gives him the opportunity to prove himself by becoming Chat Noir’s confidant and learning his secret identity through a scavenger hunt of sorts. Will Nino pass Ladybug and Chat Noir’s test, or will he fail to put the pieces together in time?
Quick disclaimer here: the first chapter looks kinda salty towards Nino, with Ladybug laying into him for revealing his and Alya’s secret identities to Adrien and Marinette. She’s mostly just trying to scare him into taking them seriously, though, since she herself has just proposed that Nino become Chat’s secret-keeper, and he can’t afford to be lackadaisical with that identity. I highly recommend getting through at least chapter 2 of the fic when giving it a shot, because this had some great character development and introspection for Nino, on Chat Noir, Adrien, Ladybug, and himself.
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run boy run by tinuviel_tinuviel
Nino was sprawled on the floor of his room with Alya when his phone chimed, in the quiet of a premature autumnal sunset. It was one of those lazy evenings that had become rare lately. Contrary to popular belief, he and Alya could get studying done when in the same room, and he was elbows-deep in late assignments, which meant his phone was on Do Not Disturb, which meant the notification could only have come from one person.
ADRIEN 🐈: cmoe ove rnow ADRIEN 🐈: like riggt now ADRIEN 🐈: plag NINO: that is literally incomprehensible NINO: wait is that you plagg ADRIEN 🐈: mov faster
So this is a “Adrien finds out that his father is Hawkmoth and consults with Nino about what to do” fic, with Nino throwing Hawkmoth off Adrien’s track, though inadvertently at his own expense. Love Nino’s perspective here, and I always enjoy a good Hawkmoth-takedown fic!
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Best Friend and Boyfriends by @kasienda
“Someone’s in a good mood,” Nino commented when Adrien slid into the seat next to him in the student lounge during the mutual gap they both had between their university classes.
Adrien turned his grin towards his best friend. “Yeah,” he agreed.
Nino grinned back. “I haven’t seen you in this good of a mood in months. Were you hanging with your mystery lady?”
The question caught Adrien completely off guard. Was Nino seriously comparing his feelings for Carapace with his feelings for Ladybug?
Sure, Carapace had become one of his favorite people. Adrien currently coveted every moment spent in Carapace’s company. He walked away from talking to him for hours feeling like he was floating on a cloud. And he was anticipating their next patrol like a giddy child waiting for Christmas morning.
Holy shit!
“You okay, dude?” Nino asked.
He totally had feelings for Carapace. When had that even happened?
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Withered Wings by @11jj11
Nino wasn’t sure if anyone had ever willingly took the akuma butterfly before him, but with his mind completely open to this apparent son of Hawk Moth he knew that he couldn’t turn him away. Not someone that was so afraid, not someone who would be left at the mercy of Hawk Moth.
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5 times Adrien, the person, helps Nino aka Chat Noir and one time Adrien, the turtle themed hero (still not the fragrance) does it by DearLittleRobin
Adrien is a cool guy that needs more friends
Nino is a good friend (and he's also Chat Noir)
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Turtle-y Awesome by chattonne-rousse
Hugo Dupain-Cheng loves turtles, and by extension, he loves Carapace, his favorite superhero of them all. He doesn't know yet that his idol is also his Uncle Nino, and Nino hasn't yet seen the Carapace shrine that is Hugo's bedroom.
But the little man is turning five and has just two wishes - a Carapace-themed party with friends and family, and the latest, greatest Carapace play set.
This is a story of best friends, laughter, good kids and even better parents, and a whole lot of turtles.
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I hope the worst isn't over by thescuttlebug
Falling is exactly like flying right up until you stop.
Like, assuming the kind of flying you’re used to involves busted steering and useless panic, Nino guesses.
“GO LIMP!” a voice shouts, and Nino catches a glimpse of black something-like-leather and the twin flashes of a golden bell and silver staff streaking through the air.
“Are you kidding me, dude?!” he shrieks.
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Foxy Lady by WizardlyMagik
In which Nino finds himself unexpectedly attracted to Rena Rouge, tries and fails to tell his friends and get some advice, and desperately attempts to hide it from his girlfriend.
(Who in fact, is planning to use it to her advantage)
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Won't Tell A Soul by @thelastpilot
Nino accidentally runs head long into the biggest most stressful secret he can imagine, but now that he knows the truth about Marinette he is determined to help her in any way he can.
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What Marinette did at the end of season 5 is dangerous lesson to internalize to young children because if people are dissecting and going deeply in depth with s5 episodes like Derision and the final two parter episode and mind you these are adults or at least pass the age intended for this show demographic how are young kids living similar lives to adrian or chloe going to be affected? Kids brats or not react differently the whole good victim mentality narrative in this show is disgusting when it comes to the topic of akumas and how it relates to mental health. Like if there is a chloe or adrien child watching this show I feel horrible for them because what hope or closure do they really get from this show what lesson imparted in this show is actually being taught in goodwill like did the producers or whoever behind it not see how bad the messaging with their abuse apologist is how are parents not complaining or at the very least concerned?
I was whirl-winded by the finale in of itself and what I got was Marinette essentially following through with the villains plan and keeping it from her love interest while simultaneously gaslighting about his father decisions and making the parent abuser a hero and his victim Adrien in awe.
If adults are trying to rationalize or do whatever they can to scrap whatever integrity left in Marinette character decisions making theories to salvage the wreckage done in the finale two-parter how are children or middle-schoolers rationalizing this because I deeply sincerely hope they don't ever internalize anything from this show the message they impart especially in one of the episodes revolving from Chloe Father especially and the leak episodes they eventually had to scrap because of the backlash is so damn bad.
Like forget the potential what if or canons or annoyance the fandom didn't get their wants with this show because ultimately the show is for kids not them what lesson do we learn here?
I am actually worried. This is a magical girl cartoon aren't the lesson they're supposed to invoke about to teach love and their is hope to change like Digimon for instance they had a character named Ken and Daiki encouraging him and his belief in the mc made him changed so much into a better person. But no, instead Marinette being like Chloe can never change there is no hope from her mouth makes me want to wrangle the writers and people behind it I hope they aren't parents because wtf? Who behind the decisions there for children to consume this sort of trash messaging in forgiving abuse apologist like Gabe.
She's supposed to be a role model but no instead Astruc uses her as a tool to spout whatever grievances he has with the fandom onto the show and characters inside it especially Chloe. I really don't recommend a show like MLB to anyone honestly unless they are aware of this show dumb messaging and people buying into it.
Exactly. It's so obvious that Marinette just ended up becoming a mouthpiece for the writers to spout their own opinions towards the end, like having her go on numerous anti-Chloe tirades. And I'm not saying that Chloe doesn't deserve to be called out, but it's done so unnaturally, and it feels like the writers are just desperate to get us to hate her without acknowledging any of the character depth they gave her.
And I'm not a Chloe stan or anything, and I do think that it's okay to show that sometimes, people can't change and that victims of abuse can become abusers themselves. But we didn't get that. We got the show telling us, in no uncertain terms, that Chloe is bad because she's evil inside and not because of abuse that we see on screen, and that her father who enabled her and taught her how to be this way is a victim and is more redeemable than her. The fuck is this???
And it just gets worse, because Chloe is evil inside and irredeemable and deserves more abuse as her comeuppance, but the magical terrorist/child abuser gets off scott-free? Gabriel Agreste gets what he wanted and dies happy and content while leaving behind a favorable legacy? What the fuck?
So yeah. I feel bad for the abused children who are watching this show, who are being told that their abuse doesn't matter, that they are just being overly sensitive/are evil inside, and only deserve more abuse. What a wonderfully horrible message.
Thank you for your ask!
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I don’t think Felíx or any other rich kid is a Senti and it’s possible that people can be real people
Again this is based on what I saw of “Emotion” and added to my thoughts/points, spoilers will be brought up here. Also I’m a non-believer of the Senti-Theory so if this upsets you I do apologize.
Felix referring to the moon as his sister could really just be an implication that it shares his exact feelings of anger toward control as that’s what he created it from. It’s the only thing that understands him. It’s like referring to a person as “my brother in arms” over a topic, battle or action.
Him releasing it can also be him giving up on his plan that got him there since he hurt people he didn’t mean to, lost Marinette and realized he had no “control”, of his new powers, and overall that he failed. Anger isn’t going to get him anywhere and he still ended up like he started, alone and the same.
Gabriel only recently started pitching ideas as well as important business with important people such as Kagami. And I mean within a year or so in the show.
Sure, he could have created kids for important people, but it couldn’t have been recently as he just now started getting closer to them and it maybe couldn’t have been 15/16 years ago as that’s how long he was on a search for magical artifacts (see Shanghai Special), and when he did find the peacock miraculous, he gave that to his wife as a gift. . . Whom kept it until she passed. (Also he maybe wasn’t a well known or fully established fashion designer when he had Adrien as we saw he liked to adventure and met Emílie that way. Sure that’s up for the debate, but it’s another possibility.)
I think if Gabriel really created kids for powerful people, It would be weird for him to give Tomoe a test drive of a miraculous combined with their new invention. It also looked like he recently filled her in, she accepted because it means business, and with added power. . . Well why wouldn’t she?
Also let’s examine Amelie. I think her behavior towards Gabriel would be a lot more different towards him had he and Emílie created Felíx for her and her husband. Given that’s her littlebundle of joy, she’d likely act very thankful and she’d likely already long KNOW he has a miraculous and he probably Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth. Sure she probably knows that now that she’s working with her own son, but she doesn’t act like like her son could disappear any moment. She’s rather very angry at Gabriel for his actions instead.
Now to those saying it’s canon. . . You guys are just saying that as I’ve seen. Of course it’s still based on these little implications the show plays but that’s what they are. Implications that could mean or point to ANYTHING.
Real things that could be asked that have been given to us are:
Why was Emílie interested in hunting magic treasures? Why was Gabriel?
What even is Gabriel’s upbringing? Is he self made? Why is he this driven by evil? Why would he choose to ignore Emilie’s actual wishes by deleting her videos?
What happened to Felix’s father? Did he have a good relationship with him? Felix hates Gabriel and his influence on control over his cousin but could it be Gabriel also disliked Felix’s father? Why couldn’t the Agrestes attend Mr. Fathom’s funeral? Was there tensions there?
This may be answered by more episodes, but assuming for now: What is Tomoe’s real drive? What’s the tension between Kagami and her mother? Because yes it’s “control” but it seems deeper by how Kagami said it’s “finally time” she speaks with her. (My bets are she caught on her mother is working with Monarch but who actually knows until we see more.)
So all this to say again: There’s bigger things at play and it’s not just “they’re sentis! It’s canon because a vague implication made it seem that way!”
Had that been the case that they are sentis, this episode would have played out a bit differently. Likely in the fact that Felix would have told them the “truth” and maybe would have given a speech about how they deserve to be free of their amok.
But it didn’t. Felix’s entire drive, motive, and speech was about how he does not want people in his life telling him or others like him what to do and how to live. (Notice his and his mother’s use of the word “monsters” towards specific people of power.) The same goes for heroes that say what’s right and what’s wrong. In Felix’s case it’s everyone, so he got rid of everyone except Marinette (whom he didn’t know was LB and honestly didn’t try to fight/deter him as Marinette but that’s another point.)
Anyways sorry this is long. This episode wasn’t strong evidence to me and seeing as Twitter is dying, I’ve not seen any creator or show writer even talk about this. Only fans claiming it’s canon but that’s on interpretation. Now if they do go ahead and confirm that yes, they are sentis, I’ll accept it but will think it’s such a cop out.
Adrien’s character is already a sad background in itself and I don’t see how confirming him as a Senti will matter to the plot or even affect the show. To me it doesn’t seem like that’s the direction they’re going for or even thinking about. It would just come off sloppy.
#ml emotion#ml spoilers#ml season 5#ml thoughts#ml analysis#ml#miraculous ladybug#miraculous ladybug and chat noir
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If you were in charge of the mlb show, which characters would you explore more?
Wow, that is a big question!! It's quite tricky too since I have no idea where the show is going and what they planned for the plot after the end of season 5! (ᗒᗣᗕ)՞
But no matter, here's a list of characters I would have explored more:
Marinette ; yeah you read that right! While Marinette did grow and change, that poor girl is mostly carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders and repeatedly gets blamed and ridiculed for everything and anything! I'd show more about her in general, her hobbies and doing designs or other things without making it all about Adrien and her crush on him! Tell more about her family from her Mother's side, and develop how she feels about her paternal grandparents instead of the "they're family so I must help them." let's show some true bonding time and reward Marinette for all her good deeds!
Adrien ; similar to Marinette, I'd have explored more how he is coping with his family situation (instead of the eternal Sadrien), show him having hobbies and bonding with his new friends more often, more intimately (as in not just have him in the group without question). Show more of his friendship with Nino and discovering new interests, etc.
Nino ; he doesn't have enough screen time and when they did give him some after season 1, it was to either make him all devoted to Alya or annoying and cheeky (but not in a fun or good way). He's supposed to be one of the protagonists best friend!! Let's show why he is! Show more of his family, we know he's a big brother, but we never saw his parents.
Alya has some interesting development in canon, but I'd change some elements and make her growth more obvious and constant.
Fu & Marianne ; I'd make them true mentors, show them researching together to unlock new powers, show them training the heroes and looking for Hawkmoth and trying to trick him!
Emilie ; she needs to be more than a plot device! If she was a good person, I'd show how things have turned sour after she disappeared at the Agreste mansion, have more flashbacks of her in the first two seasons (or like in the movie, there were some poignant scenes with her and she didn't even need to talk ;_; ) leading to the big revelations. And if she's morally grey/actually a villain, I'd put some foreshadowings here and there, have some characters (*coughs*Nino then Marinette and Alya and more maybe *coughs*) questioning Adrien when the latter tells them some stories about his mom; then Adrien starting to doubt his mother's intentions and wondering if she was really a good mom after his friends pointed out that yeeeeeah she doesn't sound that great?
Gabriel & Nathalie ; I wouldn't have the two be so absent/aloof in the season 1 & 2, I'd show the two actually caring about Adrien in their own way (or use their behaviour as foreshadowings for their character arc or the truth about Emilie). I'd make Gabriel's madness more progressive, his decline should be obvious and the people around should notice. Nathalie would have more screentime and I'd show more about her background story, why she's so devoted to the Agreste household since the beginning of the story. Maybe show Nathalie acting differently when she's alone with Adrien / outside of her assistant job ; it could also create some funny scenes and/or confusion when Adrien tells his friends "Nathalie is like a second Mom, she's so reliable-" (Nino nods, a bit uncertain about the mom part) "and so warm!" (Nino looks at the camera with wide, confused eyes)
Other characters I'd explore (without the long explanation, sorry I'm tired!!):
Sabine & Tom
Alix
Miss Bustier
the Kwamis (!!)
Luka & Kagami (more likely "I'd give them a different development!)
There are so many characters that deserved to be explored more, but I'll stop here otherwise it would be too long XD
#miraculous ladybug#canon divergence#if I was in charge the story would be way different tbh#it'd probably be my miraculous team AU lmao#probably actually not#it WOULD be
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Also while I personally don’t like canon Chloé at all, I think the writers are doing both her and Adrien so dirty with her arc falling into pieces and Adrien being given zero agency or letting him drive the show (I mean I have mixed feelings abt marinette: I like her character flaws but the writers take it a bit far sometimes and she has 0 breathing room to grow or learn from her mistakes (because the writers don’t seem to think her behaviour is problematic?) so while I can sympathise with her enough and don’t actively dislike her, I honestly wish she could take a back seat for a hot minute and let Adrien actually take charge for once, god knows Paris and she show at large would be better for it
honestly, you know what's the funny thing? marinette doesn't drive ml either. believe it or not. i made this post recently (sorry for all the self-promo) and it might appear to us like she drives the show because she gets the most screentime and is the face of it, but so far, the most dramatic and emotional moments in ml have revolved around adrien. the plot has revolved around adrien. marinette became guardian because she made a mistake as she got jealous of kagami and... adrien. she's more like our exposition character, while the agrestes are the reason why anything happens. even marinette's biggest long-term arc is her crush for... adrien. so in an odd way, he does drive the show.
now. for the longest time i thought that the issue is that marinette has no relations to the agreste plot, gabriel isn't even her fashion designer mentor or something. but after today's episode, i might have to re-evaluate everything and think long and hard about how i feel about it, because felix did more in 10 minutes than what our heroes have done in four seasons. true, he already came with the knowledge that he was a sentikid made with the peacock miraculous, but the way he figured out gabriel's identity? and the trick with the hem of his pants? holy shit. ladybug who?
so at this point i'm like... maybe ml is really just a romantic sitcom with girl power marketing. because surely, paris' heroes would've investigated who hawk moth is already. alya would've been trying to figure out his identity instead of clamoring over ladybug's. maybe ml isn't allowing the characters to do some quality detective work because they bank on the stand-alone episode format, and for anybody to be able to watch the show without having prior knowledge, no matter which episode it's on, and that's why we're stuck with hawk moth for five seasons. and eventually ml got renewed for TWO more seasons, and it would've been embarrassing if the hawk moth storyline continued.
am i happy with it? eh... not really. i would've loved it if ml had a consistent mystery theme and long narratives and so on. maybe it breaks my heart sometimes, and sometimes i can't shut up about it, but honestly, i think adrien drives the changes in the plot and marinette is the entry point in the ml universe. i'm not saying that it's neccessarily good or bad, it's just my analysis of the show format and it's up to viewers to decide if they like it!
as for chloe... yeah, i'm personally really bummed out about her. sadly i'm an adrien kinnie and still have hope that maybe in season 5 she will get what she deserves? surely nobody looks at a pixel character that is just bratty and spoiled because their father is kind of a doormat, but also has a hotbed of insecurities and self-hatred because of their abusive mom, and thinks 'this is a cartoon personification of the trumps'??? surely astruc was joking??? i really like canon chloe, with all of her ugly traits, and i'm gonna be sad if she doesn't get a resolution to her arc that feels true and faithful to her character, even if it isn't a happy ending. maybe it can be something in the middle.
#i'm so nice about ml today you can really tell that the last episode made me happy lmao#i would've killed it as an audience member in gladiator fights in ancient rome#ask#miraculous ladybug#vulpesinastra
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Cat’s Definitive Ranking of Every ML Episode as of 4/22/21
Are you guys ready for this? I did the thing. You’re all welcome. Don’t ever ask me for anything again. You can watch me get progressively more unhinged in real time.
Now, just to preface this, I did not give this too much thought. Most of these are just my gut feelings. I went through every episode and just made some snap judgments based off the lasting impressions I’ve been left with. These are my opinions. If you don’t like them, tough. And also I don’t care. Go spend 4 hours making your own damn ranking. And shut the hell up. Anyway, this is probably the longest post I’ve ever made, so I’m gonna put it all under a read more. Click on it if you have an hour to read it. Okay, here we go!
1. Origins II- Good starting point for our heroes. Good establishment of canon ships and character dynamics. Umbrella scene literally stole my wallet. Cannot emphasis enough that I am whipped for the umbrella scene. I wrote a whole ass AU just to say how whipped I am for the umbrella scene. In the Rain will play at my wedding. Jk. Weddings are for suckers. But dammit if I don’t want these kids to get married. 10/10
2. Origins I- Good introduction to lore. Good introduction to characters. Good establishment of status quoyo. Just good. 10/10
3. Simon Says- Listen, I am nothing if not a shipper at heart. This episode just sparks joy. And the whole series almost ended when Gabriel almost jumped off the roof. I was really rooting for this one. This was the episode where I saw Ladrien and went yes, ma’am, I’ll have one of those. 10/10
4. Evillustrator- Are you all surprised? Cat, the MC-skeptic ranked the pivotal MC episode so highly? Well, let me tell you all a thing, I started this fandom out a MC shipper because of this episode. Their first interaction is gold. I don’t deny that. I enjoy it. This is the MC dynamic I fell in love with. Yall toxic shippers ruined MC for me when you opened your mouths and spat in the face of Ladrien and baselessly declared MC the sin-ship. We all know it’s Ladrien. Stop kidding yourselves. Boy in leather catsuit? Please. Basic ass vanilla bitches. I’m getting off-topic. Solid episode 10/10. We love to see it.
5. Stormy Weather- Baby’s first Miraculous episode. It holds a special place in my heart. It’s a solid episode. Good establishment of what the show is. Fun villain. Good times. Fond memories. 10/10
6. Riposte- Listen, I know I’m an Adrinette stan, but hear me out: Ladrien. It’s just so good. And Kagami was compelling in this episode. It was just really solid. It’s my favorite s2 episode. If you ask me if I want to rewatch Riposte, the answer is always yes. 10/10. We stan.
7. Gorizilla- Okay, so this episode has some solid Adrinette in it, but the real reason it ranks so high is that fucking Ladrien trust fall. I stare at that scene for hours, you guys. HOURS. It is absolutely just *chefs kiss*. Sometimes when I need a pick-me-up, I just go watch gifs of that catch on loop. 10/10. Beautiful. Radiant. Carefree.
8. Gang of Secrets- I have been keeping most of my opinions to myself about s4 (mostly because I’ve backed way the hell out of this fandom), but GoS was pretty solid. Gotta say, it’s the first episode in a long time with this show that made me actually excited to see what happens next. Most other episodes I was like, okay, that was cute. The show is still meh overall. But GoS really got me like oh shit, is ML good again? 10/10 for making me feel things again.
9. Oblivio- Told you guys this one was probably rated higher than I thought. Oblivio is just really fun. There is good Adrinette. That “No wonder I fell in love with you” paired with the softest of Adrien smiles just sends me. And the kisses. The unquestionable trust. These two kids literally woke up together alone in an elevator with no memories and said welp, you’re my boyfriend/girlfriend obviously, I don’t make the rules. Honestly, how anyone could argue that these two dorks aren’t made for each other after that episode is beyond me. 9/10
10. Backwarder- Okay, I know I am weird and alone for this one, but I really liked this episode. It got a lot of shit for the constipation capsule thing at the end, but like who cares? We finally got some more backstory on Fu. He got a love-interest who is dope as hell. This episode is my favorite lucky charm use ever. Like that queen DID that. I like Backwarder, guys! Fuck off. 9/10.
11. Kwamibuster- We all know I am a Marinette-stan by this point, but our girl was SHINING this episode. This bitch said gimme all them and let me go whoop this bitch’s ass, and she DID. Hawkmoth could never. Multimouse is a gift, and Marinette is a boss ass queen. 9/10
12. Chat Blanc- Listen, this episode was very good. I enjoy the idea of my children being happy in another timeline somewhere very much. We got all 4 sides of the square in an episode. It’s just really solid. I know this is the fandom’s favorite, and everyone is gonna shit their pants because it didn’t make my top 10, but this is my list. So, I put it at number 12. It’s good. I like it. It just didn’t steal my wallet like other episodes did. Put the pitchforks down. It’s gonna be okay, you can still love it more than me. 8/10
13. New York Special- I know everyone felt some type of way about this special, but I wasn’t mad at it. My perception of it might be clouded because I watched it in Disney World where I was chilling and having a great time, but like this special really did somethings for me. The Adrinette was top tier. Tippy top tier. Even though they hurt us in the end, I am okay with it because it just means the children will grow and come out stronger. I don’t care if it’s not technically canon. Ask me if I give a fuck. I don’t. I had fun here. 8/10. Solid.
14. The Collector- This one might shock a lot of you, but let me paint you a scene. It’s the first episode of s2. We have just come off a 2 year hiatus. The fandom is thriving. We’re hungry for canon content. We have hopes and dreams and expectations. Everyone is going wild with theories. This episode confirmed something that was long since obvious (in my opinion) and ended the stupid arguments people had been having. It made Gabriel actually seem semi-competent. We got our first taste of how Chat/Adrien will react to his dad being Hawkmoth. We got a peek at their life. Adrien’s isolation and sadness. They were so close to figuring it out. The battle was epic. Like Collector really had them on the ropes there for a second. It’s a solid episode, yall. I’m not wrong. Hate me all you want, but this episode brought it. 8/10
15. Despair Bear- Is this episode up this high because of the Adrinette slow dance scene? YOU BET YOUR ASS IT IS. Okay, but fr though, shipping aside, this episode gave us hope that Chloe was actually gonna redeem herself. I mean, she didn’t but, we didn’t know that at the time. Seeing her run around trying to be nice was fun. And then she actually did something good, and we had a moment of okay, she’s capable. We’ll get there. We didn’t. But what a ride this episode was for making us think she would. 8/10
16. Startrain- Cat, you’re just ranking all the Adrinette episodes highest. And? What of it? Are you surprised? You clicked a blog that has simping for Adrinette in the description, and you’re surprised all my favorite episodes have Adrinette? I’m not wrong, you’re just an idiot. The Adrinette nap cuddles aside though, this was a pretty good episode. If you don’t think too hard about the whole space thing, we got a look at Max’s life, his mom is a driven, smart lady doing her best. Adrien rebels against papa for once. Alya stops a Lila scheme. Chloe gets to play the hero. Alya and Nino actually investigate like the heroes they are. Gabriel gets to realize what a dumbass bitch he is. I mean. Guys. Startrain is solid. 7.5/10
17. Sapotis- This one shot up in rank for me after GoS, but tbh it’s always been a solid episode. Alyanette sleepover? Check. Alya becoming a superhero? Check. It’s a fun episode. And looking back, it’s nicely called back to later in GoS. We love it. 7.5/10
18. Sandboy- Idk why I enjoy this episode as much as I do, but I do. Sandboy is a cute bean. I love his aesthetic. We also get hilarious looks at everyone’s nightmares. “Plagg, who turned you into a sock?” cracks me up cause like Adrien, bby, no XD And Chat Noir’s nightmare. I think it would have been interesting though if since Sandboy dusted the Agreste mansion, if we got a peek at Hawkmoth’s nightmares. It would have been a nice hint of plot to go along with Master Fu’s nightmare. Also Plagg giving the akuma the slip like the clever boy we know he is deep down? 7.5/10
19. Furious Fu- If you guys haven’t realized by now that I love Fu, idk what you’re doing. Pay attention. I know that some people don’t like him, but I’m just gonna say it, you’re wrong. Fu took care of the Miracle Box for over 100 years, and this episode kind of gives some insight to what the Order was like. Very strict. Lots of rules. And ya know what, Fu said fuck the police, I’m gonna befriend these little magical demigods, and fuck off! Like what an absolute legend. I was really happy to see him living his best life, and that he and Marianne got married because it’s what he deserves. We love to see it. 7.5/10
20. Gamer- People like to shit on Marinette in this episode, but like honestly, if I were in her shoes, I’d have probably done the same thing if I had the skill. Ain’t nothing wrong with a girl trying to spend time with the boy she likes. And Tom and Sabine being absolute shipping trash. I love them. And the awkward Adrinette. The introduction of the lucky charm that Adrien STILL carries. Wholesome. This was a good episode for their friendship, and we love to see it. 7.5/10
21. Christmaster- Okay, I know a lot of people hated this episode when it aired, but I thought it was really funny? Everyone skidding around in the ice rink was hilarious. If you don’t take this episode seriously, it’s really fun. Chris is pretty cute, and damn right Ladybug is the best kid in the world. Idk. This episode is fun. I’m not mad at it. Sue me. 7.5/10
22. Weredad- What? Another MC-heavy episode in Cat’s top 30? Listen, I don’t hate canon MC. The fans just annoy me. This episode was funny. The secondhand embarrassment and cringe was real. Plagg taunting Adrien because he knows the secret was great. Marinette being a self-saving queen was great. It’s a good episode. I like MC, you guys. I do. I swear! 7.5/10
23. Miraculer- This episode was interesting to me, and I think it’s still a good development episode. For one, Sabrina finally got her own akuma episode named after her. Secondly, because it’s a big step for Chloe, just not in the way we expected. It totally makes sense that Chloe can’t have her Miraculous back because literally everyone knows her identity. Can’t argue that logic. And she is the first person to ever refuse to become akumatized, so like mad respect. I know a lot of people had high hopes for redeemed Chloe (myself included), but I think watching a character fall from revering someone to hating them is also an interesting path. The friends to enemies arc as it were. Idk. I liked this episode. It was an opportunity for Chloe to grow, even if she didn’t in the end, but we’ll talk about that later. 7.5/10
24. Lady Wifi- I like Alya. I feel like I don’t say that much, and people make some assumptions because of MDCSP, but MDCSP is just a concept I wanted to explore. It doesn’t really reflect how I feel about any one character. Except maybe Lila. And Gabe. But every other spite fic I’ve written branching from Chameleon, the class has been fine. Alya has been fine. So, let it be known that I like Alya. Lady Wifi was a fun episode. Putting aside the fact that she thought Chloe was Ladybug for no reason, I like her akuma. I like the interactions we get with LadyNoir in this episode. After GoS, this episode gets a bit funnier. It’s solid. 7/10
25. Dark Cupid- I don’t have much to say about this one. LadyNoir. That’s it. That’s the tweet. Send it. 7/10
26. Volpina- So many things about this episode. It introduced a new antagonist who we didn’t exactly 100% know was going to be an antagonist at the time. This episode sparked a lot of fun fan theories for a while. Who was Lila? How was she going to shake things up? Not to mention this episode gave us a taste of plot and lore, and set up Marinette meeting Master Fu officially. Lots of intrigue sparked from this episode. And that LadyNoir door scene? OOOOOO 7/10
27. Hearthunter- One word: Adrigaminette. This episode was so cute for them! I loved seeing them all goofing and running around together. Adrien and Kagami being absolutely in love with Marinette when her hair is down. They both love her, I don’t make the rules. Not to mention, Marinette takes a big step by letting her friends be happy without her. Kagami not wanting to hurt Marinette. The drama!! Gabriel being a messy ass bitch to his friends. It loses points for the abomination of an akuma, but overall, I wasn’t too mad at it. Yet. 7/10
28. Glaciator- More MC in Cat’s top 30? It’s more likely than you think. Listen. Listen… Listen. MC is fine. This episode was the closest thing to fanfiction that we got. The balcony scene was really sweet. I was drinking the irony. We got introduced to Andre the icecream fraud. Andre the please just give me the flavor I asked for man. I could have done without Chat pouting, but the LadyNoir in the end was pretty good. I wish they’d done more with Ladybug’s feelings for Chat. Had her question herself a bit more after this one, but overall, it’s cute. 7/10
29. Zombizou- A lot of people started hating Mlle. Bustier after this episode, and like I can kind of see it, if I squint, but I did not draw that same conclusion from this episode. Mlle. Bustier just wants good things for all of her students. They’re 14 ffs, she just wants to be a good influence on all of her students and wants them all to be successful. But go off, I guess? Plus, this episode was basically just a spoof on zombie apocalypse movies. We got so many things. Julerose, Myvan, DJWifi. Chloe actually showing some depth and emotion. LadyNoir. We won this episode, babes. Sorry you didn’t get the memo. 7/10
30. Timetagger- Okay. This is the last episode in the ones that I’d venture to call “good.” Number 30. I enjoyed Timetagger. I know people have feelings about timey-wimey bullshit, and like I’m not gonna lie and say I’m thrilled with it either (I mean, I changed the rabbit’s power in MDCSP) but that being said, Timetagger was so sassy. Bunnix was cool as hell. We get to see that LB and CN are still doing the thing in the future. So many questions sparked from this episode. It was fun. Idk. I liked it. That’s all I got. 7/10
31. Malediktator- Okay, from this point on, less comments because this is the section that are more or less just meh to me. Like they’re fine. This episode was fine. Chloe was fine. Chat playing with the laser was cute. 6.5/10
32. Mayura- Adrien’s speech at the end. Nuff said 6.5/10
33. Ikari Gozen- Ryuko/Ryuuko. Gals being pals. 6.5/10
34. Reflekdoll- I talked about this earlier, but I don’t hate this episode. It’s not as bad as people make it out to be. Sue me. 6.5/10
35. Anansi- Nino is the goodest boy. Also I need more of the gang taking Adrien on adventures via Facetime. Stat. 6.5/10
36. Shanghai- This one is new, and tbh I still haven’t watched it with subs, but I had a good time. Fei was cute. The boy squad was cute. Adrien bonding with Great Uncle Cheng was cute. Hawkmoth getting literally dunked on was *chefs kiss* 6.5/10
37. Gigantitan- I love overly supportive, ride-or-die girl squad. 6.5/10
38. Party Crasher- Idk why this episode was funny to me. Kim is the purest bean. We don’t deserve him. 6.5/10
39. Desperada- This episode was an emotional roller coaster, and even though we all collectively hate Aspik’s stupid egghead, we love the Ladrien this episode provided us. 6/10
40. Oni-chan- Listen, I loved seeing Lila get a tiny bit of karma even if she made it up in the end. I loved Chat going off on her. I loved seeing her get outsmarted in the end. 6/10
41. Frightningale- My good lesbian Clara Nightingale. We stan. 6/10
42. Style Queen- I like Audrey in a “she’s the worst person I’ve ever met, I want to travel the world with her” kind of way. She’s funny to me. Idk. I love her firing everyone. She’s the one I love to hate. She’s the worst, but we love her for it. Plus this episode gave us Plagg’s adorable little Cataclysm that destroyed half the city. 6/10
43. Gamer 2.0- Chat confidently strutting in heels made this episode worth it. And we get to see the beginning of Marinette being overwhelmed. Plus it was the return of gamer!nette. 6/10
44. Troublemaker- I don’t hate this episode as much as the next person either. It was fine. Jagged is a manchild, but we love him for it. He’s a Marinette stan which like mood. The Adrinette at the end was cute. I wasn’t mad at it. Idk. It’s fine. 6/10
45. Reflekta- Where are all my Juleka stans at? I loved the LadyNoir banter in this ep. V. cute. 6/10
46. Dark Owl- This episode was fun. And it really shows their level of trust. Plus Plagg and Tikki interacted. 6/10
47. Timebreaker- Have I ever mentioned that I like Alix? I like Alix. 6/10
48. Silencer- I don’t hate this episode as much as you’d expect me to, and that is 100% because of the LadyNoir. 5.5/10
49. Prime Queen- Chat purrs. 5.5/10
50. Syren- I think the fish power-up is adorable. Ondine is a gem. Kim is a pure bean, but we been knew. 5.5/10
51. Befana- I like Gina, but this episode fell flat for me. Almost as flat as the animation. 5.5/10
52. Reverser- Another episode that everyone hates that I am actually fine with. This episode made me like Nathaniel more. Probably because I was previously indifferent toward him. Marc is cute too. 5.5/10
53. Mr. Pigeon- Marinette is one clever girl. And the Adrinette hand-touch. 5.5/10
54. Felix- Felix is a gremlin of chaos. A true chaotic neutral. He gives his uncle the finger, and I think that’s beautiful. 5.5/10
55. Truth- Bet you expected this episode to be higher. While I did enjoy watching toxic people’s world crumble, this episode still gets a meh from me dog. 5/10
56. Lies- The Adrigami was cute, and I respect Kagami as a character. The akuma could have been better tho. 5/10
57. Princess Fragrance- Not much to say here. 5/10
58. Copycat- 5/10
59. Bubbler- 5/10
60. Mime- 5/10
61. Animan- 5/10
62. Robostus- 5/10
63. Ladybug- This episode ranks this low purely because I don’t care about GabeNath, and I hate that Lila won something in the end. But Adrien saying I won’t hesitate, bitch! At the end was nice to see. 5/10
64. Catalyst- I know I ranked Mayura way higher, but Catalyst fell flat for me. Like it was fine. Wasn’t as into it though. 4.5/10
65. Puppeteer- One of my favorite lucky charm uses. 4.5/10
66. Pixelator- My favorite Cataclysm. 4.5/10
67. Horrificator- That almost-Adrinette kiss tho 4.5/10
68. Pharaoh- 4.5/10
69. Kung Food- 4.5/10
70. Rogercop- 4/10
71. Guitar Villain- 4/10
72. Dark Blade- 4/10
73. Bakerix- 4/10
74. Antibug- And now onto the bottom 10. To start us off, I will just say: UGH, this episode annoyed me. First of all, Sabrina didn’t even get her own episode. Chloe was a piece of shit. Idk why they made Ladybug the one in the wrong when Chloe was being obnoxious. Ugh. 3/10
75. Captain Hardrock- I’m gonna be honest. My apathy for this episode has grown into loathing. Toxic stans are 100% to blame. Birthday ruining, bitches. This is the reason I threw a breakup bash after Truth. Yall deserved it. 3/10
76. Christmas Special- I didn’t hate this episode as much as everyone, but it still wasn’t great. 2.5/10
77. Stormy Weather 2.0- This episode was really dumb. It didn’t need to exist. 2.0/10
78. Queen Wasp- Why did we give Chloe a Miraculous after this episode? 2/10
79. Animaestro- Did we really need a self-insert? Did we really? 2/10
80. Puppeteer 2.0- Listen, this episode would have made more sense in s1 or at the very latest early s2. Adrien gave a whole ass speech on how great Marinette is, then he turns around and is like idk if she likes me… Clean it up. 2/10
81. Miracle Queen- I could talk at length about how much I hate the ending of this episode and what they did with Chloe and Master Fu, but we’re just going to remain calm and give it a solid 1.5/10
82. Frozer- This episode made no goddamn sense. I call bullshit on so many things. Just ugh. 1/10
83. Chameleon- Surprisingly, even though this episode sparked many, many spite fics out of me, it’s not my least favorite because at least Ladybug semi-redeemed this episode. Still really dumb and ooc tho. 1/10
84. Feast- Okay, okay, okay, here we are. Bottom of the barrel. Cat’s most hated episode, and you wanna know why? You want to know why this episode fills me with the rage? Because we spent two fucking seasons building up all this mystery and lore and intrigue surrounding Fu’s big mistake, and they dropped the fucking ball! They did my mans so dirty! They could have really deepened his character, deepened the Order, deepened anything other than whatever fucking affair Gabriel and Nathalie have going on, but NO. They made it some stupid, bland-ass thing that got resolved magically in the end, then just ignored it for the rest of the season. I will never not be salty about how they did my boy Fu in this show. I’m happy he found his peace, but fuck if I’m not livid about how they did it. Whatever. Chat being done with Ladybug’s shit when they’re about to get eaten was funny I guess. .5/10
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The Ghost of Smokey Joe (6)
St. James Infirmary
Adrien Agreste was acting bizarre. Before she can get the truth out of him, Marinette finds herself as the sole heir to the Gabriel brand and the mansion, following the murder-suicide of both Adrien and Gabriel Agreste. The mystery continues as Tikki explains that Adrien was Chat Noir...but if Adrien is six feet under, why is Chat Noir still running around?
Relationships:
Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug
Alya Césaire/Nino Lahiffe
Characters:
Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Alya Césaire, Nino Lahiffe, Nathalie Sancoeur, Gabriel Agreste | Papillon | Hawk Moth
Additional Tags:
Temporary Character Death, Murder Mystery, off screen murder, Ghosts, Supernatural - Freeform, Haunting, Horror, Psychological Thriller, Eventual Happy Ending, I promise, Song fic, Halloween Flavored, Identity Reveal, Aged Up, Canon Universe, Mabel Voice: He's Resting, SPOOOKKKYYYYYY
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The night of the visitation, it rained. Like a kick to the gut, a painful reminder of what it was like to fall in love…now was only a soothing presence to losing love.
The old umbrella in her hand didn’t help either. It was his. Adrien’s. The very same he gave her that day over ten years ago.
Marinette had agonized over what to wear for too long. It was a wake, so black, right? She had this outfit picked out and everything. A sharp blazer over her little black cocktail dress, with black pumps. Even though it was a wake, it was a wake for her boss, one of the most influential fashion moguls in the world, and she would be taking his place. She had to look her best.
But then, she changed her mind. It was a social event, yes, and she would be in the public eye and representing the brand, true!
But it felt gross.
The cocktail dress was too sexy for a wake, and wearing that much black made her look goth.
It just wasn’t right.
Then she saw the dress. A rose pink, knee length dress that flared out as it went down. It had little black polka dots on it.
And it was Adrien’s favorite. He said so every time she wore it.
Too peppy for a wake. Too casual, too fun and flirty. But a black cardigan over it, and she felt perfect.
She could almost hear his voice as she posed in the mirror.
“I love that dress on you. You look so cute, Marinette.”
It made tears spring to her eyes.
So no makeup then. Because she knew she would be crying a lot more tonight.
“Don’t forget to pack tissues,” Tikki reminded, helpfully.
“Right, thank you, Tikki.” She tucked the little package in her purse.
With one last pass of the brush through her hair, she was ready.
So now she stood outside of the manor, the gate open.
Well folks, I'm goin' down to St. James Infirmary
See my little baby there
She's stretched out on a long, white table
Well she looks so good, so cold, so fair
The paparazzi stood nearby with their cameras, ready to swoop in like vultures.
She must have paused for too long, because they descended on her quickly, shoving mics in her face and asking questions.
Didn’t they know why she was here? Didn’t they know what she was going through?
An arm reached around her shoulders and started leading her forward. “Alright everyone, that’s enough! Can’t you see she’s not in the mood?” Her rescuer shouted.
The reporters didn’t pass through the gate, as that would have been trespassing. So thankfully, the crowd was left behind as they moved forward.
“Thank you,” she said to the unfamiliar man.
“Of course, Miss Dupain-Cheng.” He nodded.
“You know me?”
“I know of you. Head intern to Gabriel Agreste himself, if I’m not mistaken. I’m from Harper’s Bazaar.”
“Oh...a reporter.”
“Yes, but I really was just here as a guest to pay my respects. I’ve interviewed both Gabriel and Adrien a few times.”
“I see.”
He led her into the house.
Let her go, let her go, God bless her,
Wherever she may be,
She will search this wide world over,
But she'll never find another sweet man like me.
She was early, as Nathalie had instructed. No other guests were here. Just funeral staff, some family, and two steel caskets.
Two steel closed caskets.
Might make retrieving Adrien’s ring a bit of a problem, but not seeing his face…cold, motionless, and waxy would keep her somewhat sane.
The man walked with her right up to the casket, the one with Adrien’s picture next to it.
“It’s a shame. That much skill, the absolute genius spread between the two of them. The world as a whole will never be the same.”
“Yeah.”
“Any idea what’s going to happen next? Not that this is an interview, I’m just curious.”
She shrugged, “well, I’ve been offered the position, and everyone wants me to take it...but it’s so…”
“Overwhelming?”
“Yes.” She rested her hand on the casket. “I wish I could have a moment alone with him.”
“Let me see what I can do.” He smiled, then he called louder, to the room. “The lady would like a few minutes alone, if possible.”
“Is she family?” A staff member asked.
“This is Madam Dupain-Cheng, she’s the successor to Gabriel’s empire. She’s practically family!”
There was no arguing with that, and the group of staff members filed out into the adjacent dining room.
“Thank you,” Marinette called to the man, still not getting his name.
“Don’t worry about it darling.” And he followed them out.
Marinette glanced around the room, just to make sure she was alone. “Tikki?”
“I’m here!”
“I need you to keep watch.” The casket had two doors, one on top that would have been open if this was a regular visitation, and one over the legs. She slid the flower arrangement on top over to the bottom section and ran her hand over the edge. She pulled up slightly, and as she feared, it was sealed.
“It’s locked,” she lamented.
“Let me try!” Tikki zipped around the casket, and a moment later, it clicked and the cap opened ever so slightly.
Marinette took a deep breath as her fingers curled under the lip.
“What are you waiting for?”
“Just…I don’t want to do this. I don’t want to see what he looks like. I don’t want to…” but she put her reservations on hold, and pushed the lid up.
She choked out a startled gasp. “Oh no…”
Now, when I die, bury me in my straight-leg britches,
Put on a box-back coat and a stetson hat,
Put a twenty-dollar gold piece on my watch chain,
So you can let all the boys know I died standing pat.
Instead of the mangled body of her true love, there was only a pile of sandbags.
Tikki, also horrified, went over to Gabriel’s casket and phased inside. Then she popped out, “this one is the same!”
Marinette closed the lid and moved the flowers back into place, her mind moving at a mile a minute. Vaguely, she heard the click of the casket as Tikki put it to rights.
Marinette was panicking, but quickly calmed herself down. This didn’t mean anything malicious, not yet. Maybe they were cremated and the family wanted to keep it a secret. Or because there’s no graveside service, their bodies had already been buried.
Who was she kidding, something was definitely going on.
A mystery that was just aching to be solved, but her first priority was to retrieve Adrien’s ring.
“--A moment alone!” A voice shouted from the dining room.
Marinette whirled around in time to see Felix storming towards her. Did he know? Was she caught?
He brushed past her, “move.” And went directly to the casket, grabbing the lip like she had.
“Please sir! You’ll damage the casket!” One of the funeral home staff rushed and grasped Felix by the shoulder. “It’s shut and locked, it can’t be opened again.”
“I didn’t get to say goodbye!” Felix snarled. “Look at him!” He pointed at the photo on display next to the casket. “He has my face! I deserve to see him one last time!”
“Sir...he doesn’t look like that anymore. It would be very disturbing to see his remains.”
Disturbing indeed, considering Adrien wasn’t in there at all.
Amelie was quick to join the group and she consoled her son. “We talked about this. You knew it was going to be a closed casket.”
“They said the family had time alone. I just...wanted to say goodbye, face to face.” He shook his head and scowled. “He deserved that, at least.”
Marinette made herself small, feeling like an intruder in this family crisis. But Amelie still saw her and brought her in for a hug.
“How are you holding up, dear?” She asked, pulling away slightly.
“I’m…I’ve been better.”
“Of course, I’m so sorry for your loss.”
Marinette had met Amelie and Felix more than a few times working at Gabriel. As the years went on, they came to visit more and more often. Amelie was always insistent that she call her ‘Aunt Amelie’ like Adrien. It felt weird to break the habit now.
“Isn’t pink a little too festive for the occasion?” Felix bit. The red from anger in his cheeks had faded. Now he just sounded bitter.
It was Adrien’s voice…but not. It was a shame Felix sounded so much like him.
He looked just like him too, minus the slicked back hair and glasses.
“Adrien really loved this dress,” Marinette whispered. “I know it’s not—I just—“
His face softened slightly, relieved that she had Adrien in mind, and not fashion. “Sounds fine to me.”
Even after the disastrous first encounter they had, Felix and Marinette never became friends. He and Adrien certainly got along, or at least appeared to, but Felix and Marinette were only ever cordial.
It was a wake, after all. He should be nice. He gave her a small smile, one that looked eerily similar to Adrien’s.
Before she could stop herself, she was hugging him.
He didn’t smell like Adrien at all. He smelled like clean cat litter and laundry detergent, not spicy cologne and the smallest hint of cheese. Belatedly, she realized the cheese smell was probably Plagg’s doing.
“Uh…” He said awkwardly, before sighing and patting her on the back.
“I’m sorry,” she pulled away. “Even though…” she trailed off with a blush, embarrassed with what she had done. “You just look like him.”
“I know,” he shrugged. “I worried about coming. I’m prepared for people to see me and burst into tears. Or hug me, like you did. I get it. As much as I would like otherwise, I’m willing to tolerate it for today.”
“That’s kind of you.”
His face softened further. “You loved him, didn’t you?”
Amelie gasped. “Felix! You can’t just ask things like that!”
“It’s okay,” Marinette assured, hugging herself. “You’re right. I was—am. I still love him, even though he’s gone.”
“And…you know what happened?”
She nodded. “It sucks. And I really wish I could allow one terrible action to wipe everything away…but I knew him. These last two weeks he wasn’t himself. He was cruel to me in a way I had never seen. It just…it wasn’t Adrien.”
Felix gave her a critical look. “I always assumed my cousin couldn’t hurt a fly. It’s…bizarre, what happened.”
“It’s not public knowledge,” Amelie reminded. “And it should stay that way.”
“Who are we protecting by lying about it? The ‘Brand’? The family? Adrien himself?”
“What are they saying, anyway?” Asked Marinette.
“They’re saying both Adrien and Gabriel died from an in-home accident.”
“Vague,” said Felix. “Suspicious.”
“But better than ‘unknown causes’ at least,” said Marinette. “Maybe it’s selfish, but I want Adrien to be remembered for all the good he did…” As Chat Noir, her brain added, “and not the demons he faced in the end.”
“Still, I can’t help but wonder what made him snap,” he mused, looking at Marinette. “Do you have any idea what may have caused it?”
Her mind went back to two weeks, when he had asked her to dinner. He was nervous, and told her he had something to tell her.
And then that phone call a few nights ago. What had he said? Something about the basement?
“I’m…not sure. I’d have to think about it.”
“Perhaps you two could consider this mystery another day? Not during the visitation?” Amelie urged.
“Sorry mom, you’re right.” He glanced back at Marinette. “If you have anything on this, I’d love to hear it. I care deeply for Adrien, and honestly, I’m highly suspicious of these circumstances.”
Amelie huffed. “Darling, you heard Nathalie, what she saw, what the police found, it’s pretty cut and dry…”
“People don’t just murder their father’s for no reason! Especially with supposedly flawless mental health!”
The room grew quiet, as Felix’s outburst was louder than intended. Thankfully, guests had yet to arrive.
“Sorry. This whole thing…I’ve had enough of death in this lifetime.” He cleared his throat. “I need some water.”
When he left, Amelie squeezed her shoulder. “Don’t let Felix get to you. It’s just hard for him. He has so much in common with Adrien, it’s a little scary for him.”
Oh. That made sense. Fear he’d snap too?
“It was sudden for everyone. We’re all going through it.”
“They said you were having a moment alone with Adrien. I'll let you get back to it.” She squeezed her shoulder and left her in peace.
So now Marinette was left to wonder what she could possibly do. Where to even start? She didn’t need anymore time with an empty casket.
An' give me six crap shooting pall bearers,
Let a chorus girl sing me a song.
Put a red hot jazz band at the top of my head
So we can raise Hallelujah as we go along.
There were a few more guests now, but it was still a little early. She saw a man in a suit arranging flowers. He had a name tag on his lapel.
As casual as she could, she snuck over to him. “Excuse me, are you the funeral director by chance?”
“Oh? Yes I am. Bill Hunkerson, at your service. How can I help?”
She had to phrase this very carefully, to not be suspicious. “I’m a very close friend of Adrien’s. He was wearing a silver ring when he died. It doesn’t actually belong to him, and I was wondering if I could have it back.”
The man turned pale, but plastered on a smile. “Well, he’s probably wearing it now. Unfortunately, after we close the casket, we can’t open it again.”
She knew that was a big fat lie. And Marinette hated liars.
She lowered her voice. “Well, since his body isn’t actually in the casket, it shouldn’t be that hard, should it?”
The man stared at her, wide eyed, no longer smiling. “How did you—“ He frowned. “Look miss, I’m just doing what I’m paid for. I don’t know anything. That ring is probably gone forever, and I’d stop this search now.” He straightened his tie and bowed his head slightly. “If you’ll excuse me.”
Marinette opened her purse when she was alone. “I don’t know about you, Tikki, but I’ve got a bunch of red flags and alarm bells going off inside my head.”
“This isn’t good! We need to get that ring!”
“We need to find out what happened to Adrien’s body!”
“Yes, of course, that too!”
Marinette gnawed at the inside of her cheek. “Hey, no offense to Plagg, but wouldn’t he know to bring the ring back to me? If he can’t remove it, then wouldn’t he come tell me about it?”
Tikki’s eyes widened. “You’re right! If he died under normal circumstances, yes…but if he was transformed when he died…”
“Then what?”
“Plagg probably would be forced back into the ring. That’s probably why he didn’t come!”
“Now I’m even more worried and confused.” Marinette crossed her arms. “What if Adrien isn’t actually dead?”
“What do you mean?”
“What if…he ran away? And Gabriel made it out like he died? What if Gabriel’s still alive too?”
“It’s a theory, but I don’t know how well it will hold water.”
She studied the room again, trying not to draw attention to herself. She was supposed to be grieving after all.
Felix sat in the chairs over by the stairs, his back to the growing crowd.
Even if they didn’t really get along, two skeptics working together would be better than each on their own.
“Do you mind if I join you?” She asked.
“I suppose not.” He sighed.
Marinette sat in the chair next to him, and sat quietly for a moment, trying to decide how to proceed. She didn’t want to reveal her whole hand, but maybe playing a few cards would be to her advantage.
Felix beat her to it. He let out a weak chuckle. “I hate this family.”
What an awful thing to say at wake. “Why’s that?” She asked calmly.
“They die too quickly. It sounds so awful, I know. But it’s just my mother and I now. Grandparents are long gone, then my Aunt Emilie, then my father, and now them. It sucks and I’m sick of stupid funerals.”
“It must be hard. I’m sorry.”
“Yeah, well...I’m a pro at it now.” He was resting his cheek on his hand, and was staring at the corner of a wall, just pointedly avoiding eye contact. Still, she could see he had red in his eyes. Though she chose to ignore it. Felix seemed to be the type to hide his tears.
“You know...the last time I talked to Adrien, he told me to check the basement.”
This piqued Felix’s curiosity enough for him to look at her. “Basement? What basement?”
“I suppose here, but I haven’t had the chance to, since you know…all this going on.”
“That doesn’t make any sense. I used to come to this house all the time. It doesn’t have a basement.”
“So…maybe at the company?”
“Could be. I wouldn’t know.”
“Okay, I just wondered...since you were family…”
He growled. “Yeah, some family.”
“Do you...want to talk about it?” She offered, really hoping he would take the bait.
He chuckled again, no humor in his tone. “Might as well, no one around left to hide things from.” He leaned back in the chair. “Gabriel is...was a very private person. I tried to love him, since he was my uncle, but he did a very good job at keeping us at a distance. Adrien was the opposite. We talked often, even when his mom and my dad died and things got rough. Sometimes, it didn’t feel like we were welcomed here. But Adrien so wanted a connection. I could feel it in his hugs when we visited. He was starving, Marinette.”
Marinette willed herself not to start crying.
“Mom and I were told by Nathalie that Adrien and Gabriel were caught in a murder-suicide, as enacted by Adrien, early in the morning on the 23rd.”
“Did she tell you where the murder-suicide happened?”
“Nope, just that it happened in this house. As the only living relatives, she asked if we could come and help with the funeral arrangements.”
“Were you involved in all of it?”
“I thought mom and I did all of it together, but there was one thing that Nathalie insisted on and wouldn’t budge.”
“What’s that?”
“Gabriel is going to be interred in the Agreste family mausoleum, but Adrien…” he sighed with disgust. “As punishment, he’s getting an unmarked grave.”
“What!?”
“That was the compromise. The truth about the murder-suicide, which I am believing less and less, would be withheld from the public as long as Adrien was…effectively erased from the family line.”
She couldn’t help the tears that burst forth. “But that’s not fair! He didn’t do anything wrong! He couldn’t’ve!”
“Yeah kid, I know. I agree.” He scowled. “It makes me sick. I hate it. Adrien was suffering in life, and now he’s going to suffer in death.”
“You don’t think he did it?”
“Do you?”
She shook her head. “I can’t. I know what’s been said, and what people saw...but it just can’t be true.” And she had evidence to prove it, in the form of that empty casket.
“You won’t mention I said any of this to my mom, right? She’s also having a hard time, but she tells me I’m in denial.”
“I won’t say a word.”
Folks, now that you have heard my story,
Say, boy, hand me another shot of that booze;
If anyone should ask you,
Tell 'em I've got those St. James Infirmary blues.
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I’m not sure about next week’s update. I’m going camping and I don't know what the wifi will be like. Fingers crossed!
#ml#miraculous ladybug#the ghost of Smokey Joe#fanfiction#adrienette#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste
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I edited the ask slightly to make it clear this is about apologists making excuses for Chloé's behavior and not fans who just feel frustrated over not getting an arc they wished to see.
Anon said: I think what really annoys me is Chloe apologists that cry she’s, “just a kid she can learn to be better and outgrow her abusive tendencies” seem to gloss over or ignore that Chloe has been given MULTIPLE chances to do better for 3 seasons and at every turn she always returns to her spoiled bratty bullying ways. Especially in season 3 where she didn’t listen to Ladybug about never getting the miraculous and felt entitled to the power.
It’s just so annoying how chloe apologists act like she’s the real victim just cause her mommy doesn’t love her, news flash she’s not the only character in the show who has a bad relationship with a parent. It doesn’t give Chloe the right to degrade and abuse people. Im not sure if Chloe needs to hit rock bottom before she turn things around or this is heading towards a corruption arc. However im also annoyed when parts of her fandom claim it’s misogynistic that she doesn’t get better.
Because sometimes bad people stay bad and never get better, it would be a very powerful lesson to teach kids who are in toxic abusive relationships especially with childhood friends that sometimes you have to let them go and cut them off because they’re causing you harm. It was very powerful of Adrien to stand up to Chloe multiple times as an abuse victim and not let her drag him down to her level. All the people mad at him for queen banana don’t realize that Adrien can’t make chloe a kinder person. No one can make someone mean good.
Plus the show is chock full of actual good and kind girls with positive supportive friendships so having one or even two female characters turn out bad isn’t sexist to me. Same with people who claim Zoe is a Mary Sue and it’s wrong that she’s replacing Chloe. Which is weird because Zoe can’t replace what Chloe never was, a friend to the main cast. Chloe was never close with the class or their friend even if she tried to be involved in their projects he never tried to get along with the others.
Plus Zoe made a mistake by trying to emulate her family and be a bully but eventually realized being awful like them wasn’t worth their approval. Whether she’s a better hero or deserves the miraculous is another discussion but we’re talking about Chloe here. If she continues down the path of selfishness and hate becoming like her mother and her sister Zoe, who also comes from an abusive family, doesn’t that just means one overcame their trauma and the other didn’t.
Sorry for the rant just I’m so tired of seeing the tag be cluttered up by Chloe apologists who won’t stop crying or complaining about her character.
With what the canon actually gave us, Chloé's arc could have gone, and could still go, either way on the redemption/corruption scale. Yes, Chloé messed up royally in the season three finale, but she was under duress to a degree. While Chloé showed few signs of becoming a selfless hero, since most of the people she helped as a hero were people she put in bad situations to begin with or she helped out to get to hang out with Ladybug, she's also showed no signs of becoming a true villain the same way Lila has. We can clearly see Lila developing into a supervillain, but Chloé is very much stuck in the middle and could go either way if she suddenly got superpowers with no strings attached.
The real issue here is Chloé's civilian life. She's never been kind to her classmates and goes out of her way to make sure they have a bad time. This has never been influenced by whether or not she had a Miraculous, so obviously something not-superpowers-related needs to happen for her to see anything wrong with what she's doing.
And there's a real chance Zoé is meant to be that thing that makes Chloé see. Chloé could see how her sister was forgiven and welcomed by her classmates and realize how easy it is to stop being awful and get validation and friendship from the class that way. This realization might make her look down on the class as gullible fools, like Lila, or it might make Chloé want to belong and try to adjust her behavior, having her follow Zoé's lead.
Of course there's still a chance that Chloé will just keep swinging between sitcom arch nemesis and not-quite-a-supervillain, that she'll still be used as a civilian life obstacle for the heroes to overcome and she's not meant to be redeemed or corrupted. In this case I can see this fandom discourse continuing for years to come, since it's the uncertainty of Chloé's role that's fuelling it so much.
Crying misogyny every time your favorite female character is treated in a way you don't like, when it’s used in a way that’s clearly just a buzzword meant to manipulate people, is something I'm just so done with. In the case of Miraculous, though, it's especially misguided, with how much the creators clearly try to be feminist. It's one thing to say something they did fails at that goal and leans into sexist attitudes and another to say they're being purposefully misogynistic because the show isn’t to your tastes. Because, let’s face it, a lot of the show’s attempts at being progressive have been tone deaf, but it usually seems to happen by accident and sometimes, at least with Fei’s design, they seem to be willing to amend a mistake when it gets pointed out.
Also, because sexism and feminism are about gender politics, the thing with discussing sexism is not actually comparing a female character with other female characters, it's about comparing a female character with male characters. If a show aims for gender equality, a character's gender can't influence how they are treated. This means we need to see if we can compare Chloé's character to a male character and find equality.
And we can. Miraculous Ladybug has a male character who causes others pain on purpose. This same character has several chances to stop being awful with "not being awful" costing him nothing. He even shows a softer side in 'Style Queen', just like Chloé in that same episode, but ultimately tosses that change aside when he finds something he thinks can help him gain his goals, like Chloé does in 'Miracle Queen'.
I am of course talking about Gabriel Agreste. I have repeatedly said that Marinette and Chloé are mirrors, what the other could be if they changed how they view other people and themselves. Gabriel is a foil to Marinette, so he naturally mirrors Chloé as well. However, Gabriel's arc has a similar forwards-and-backwards beat as Chloé's does. Even Chloé Apologists recognize the similarities between the two, since I've seen them voicing concerns that Gabriel might get redeemed while Chloé doesn't, because they think Gabriel having sympathetic aspects is a sign of a redemption arc for him like it supposedly was for Chloé. Instead, they are still both firmly in the area of antagonists and villains.
Although I will concede one key difference: Chloé is still way more likely to get redeemed than Gabriel.
I also think that, even if Chloé does get redeemed eventually, it’s still important that Adrien didn’t just hang on waiting for it when she spent so long proving again and again that she didn’t want to change. Because the other characters couldn’t know for sure if Chloé would change. Just like in the real world you won’t know for sure if your toxic friend will ever change, so you might have to let them go for your own sake. Even if they might get better one day, even if you’re not their target, it’s not on you to stand by them when they do things that are against your personal ethics.
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The Ascendancy of The Plan ™ (re: Mikau’s WIPs)
So, I feel like I’ve gotten a lot accomplished in the past few months since I last did one of these status updates. Most of the stories I ended up writing were much longer than anticipated, and I’ve had a lot of ideas just pop into my head that I hadn’t originally been planning, so this list isn’t going to look very different from the last one, but I promise that I have accomplished things, and there are some new projects in the works. ^.^;
I’m currently posting the final chapters of Among the Wild Things and Betting Against the House. Below is a list of works I have planned for the coming months. Let me know what sounds interesting or what you’re excited for.
Anhedonia: When Adrien Met Marinette: (Adrienette, post-reveal/pre-relationship, roommates) So, I’m taking a screenplay writing class, and we’re studying the scripts of several movies to get a feel for how the writer evokes different cognitive responses from the audience. One of the movies is When Harry Met Sally. I’ve never seen this movie, but apparently it’s about two friends finally ending up together after some trials and tribulations. It’s about never giving up on finding love and happiness...only I’m feeling depressed at the moment, and I don’t want to hear about true love because I’m lonely and despair of ever finding someone to share a life with. So I’m using my feelings to write a story. ^.^ Naturally. XD
It’s post-reveal/pre-relationship Adrienette. They’re roommates, and there’s been a misunderstanding because Marinette didn’t tell Adrien how she felt about him after she found out he was Chat Noir, and he’s told her that he’s over her because he thinks that the only way to preserve their friendship (since she’s already turned down his advances as Ladybug, so, obviously, she wouldn’t want him as Marinette either). It has a happy ending, and they straighten things out because I still believe in finding true love and happiness. XD I’m a sap like that, and these two deserve happiness.
Ladrien Present: (Adrienette, Ladrien) I’m still trying to write a story where Ladybug brings Adrien’s birthday party to him. ^.^; I have half of it written (the Adrienette half), and I have an outline for the rest. I just...need to sit down and make myself write it. I’ve seriously been procrastinating on this one. I don’t know what my deal is. -.-;
Marichat Prompt: This is an overflow prompt I received as part of my Productive Procrastination Prompt Giveaway. It’s about Chat Noir visiting Marinette and it somehow coming up in conversation that Marinette has always thought of Chat as a player. For some reason, this makes Chat really angry because he can’t stand her in particular thinking that about him. I thought this story out a couple months ago, but I didn’t write it down, so now I’ve forgotten, and I’m going to have to think up the plot all over again. XD
Alyadrino Prompt: Someone sent me an Ask that said, “Snuggle party makes me imagine what if nino and alya accidentally did to adrien what luka and marinette intentionally did to him in shades 12″, and I thought, “…Oh, all right. Why not?” I had a basic outline of what I wanted to do with this story a couple months ago, but I didn’t write it down, so now I have to figure it out all over again. Oh, well. I have the basic idea, I think.
Lukadrigaminette: At the beginning of the month, I thought, “I should do Valentine’s Day stories!” I ended up writing a Marichat one, and then I had this idea. It’s not Valentine’s Day related, so I decided to shelve it for later. So, several years ago, my friend and I concocted this scheme to bake for our respective crushes and win their hearts that way. It’s a really fond memory for me, and I’m turning it into a Lukadrigaminette story. Luka and Kagami join forces to bake for Adrien and Marinette in order to win their love.
Plagg and Wayzz Prompt: I got a comment on one of my stories that said, “Can you do a top wayzz bottom plagg one? Preferably in universe and in human form. Doesn’t have to be smut.” First I thought, “What the bloody hell?” because it was a comment on a Lukadrien story, and that’s all it said, and I thought, “Well, that’s random.” I’ve never really written Wayzz before, but this gave me the idea for a story where the team is up against an akuma that somehow separates them from their kwamis, leaving the heroes unable to detransform and the kwamis in defenseless human form. What I came up with really doesn’t have anything to do with the prompt other than Plagg and Wayzz will both be in human form. It will probably just end up being a Lady Noir identity reveal piece, honestly.
Supportive Adrien Lukadrien One-Shot(?): I haven’t actually pinned this story down well yet. ^.^; I was just thinking that I wanted to write something where Adrien is the one supporting and encouraging Luka, since I typically write Luka being a supportive presence for Adrien. I was thinking that the scenario could be that Luka is feeling down because Marinette still loves Adrien and things aren’t going well between Marinette and Luka, so Adrien takes Luka on an outing and confesses his love and they live happily ever after or something.
The only thing is that a different scenario is trying to creep into this story. It’s really weird. It’s post-Papillon defeat, and Adrien is twenty-four (Luka is twenty-six). He’s been in kind of rough shape the past few years since his father was arrested and he lost his family and home and fortune. He couldn’t finish university, and he’s been travelling around, trying to find work and make a life for himself. He ends up back in Paris, broke, and auditions for a band because he happened to see a flyer advertising for a new lead vocalist. It just so happens that it’s Luka’s band, and Luka ends up finding out about Adrien’s situation and taking him in and feeding him...but that scenario is just more Luka taking care of Adrien, and that’s not what I wanted to write. XD It also feels like multiple chapters, and I don’t want to go there. Oh, well. We’ll see what happens.
Adrien Trapped in AU-Land: (Adrienette, canon universe featuring AUs) My idea is based off of a writing prompt submitted by @graaythekwami on the @miraculousfanworks Discord server: AU where all the characters wake up in a different AU every chapter, fully remembering what happened in the last AU. My idea is for Chat Noir to get hit by an akuma (probably named Escapist or something equally dumb ^.^) who traps Adrien in a series of alternate realities (AUs) until he realizes his feelings for Marinette and manages to break free.
L’Amour de Loin: (Lukadrien, post-Papillon defeat, Félix wingman) I did a sneak peek for this here. This was one of the two “Winter Lukadrien Pieces” mentioned on my last status update. Adrien is living in London with his aunt and cousin three years after Papillon’s defeat and arrest. He’s in rough shape and hasn’t kept in touch with anyone from Paris. One day, he gets a text from Luka out of the blue, and they rekindle their friendship. Félix acts as wingman to ensure that it turns into something more.
Adrienette Hanahaki: Awhile ago I did an ask game about a trope I’d like to try writing, and the one I came up with was Adrien with Hanahaki disease (The one where you start coughing up flower petals due to unrequited love making flowers grow inside your lungs). I’ve been thinking about it, and I’ve decided I’d like to actually write this story. My basic outline is: Adrien starts showing symptoms, and Gabriel badgers him about whom he’s in love with, and Adrien just blurts out, “Marinette!” And Gabriel threatens Marinette into dating Adrien, and they start fake dating but then fall in love.
Happenstance and Magic: Marichat May 2019. Marinette and Chat Noir adopt kittens together, and Adrien tries to get Marinette to see that he’s not perfect but still a worthwhile person deserving of her love.
I’ve been thinking about this one, and I think I’m going to cut the number of prompts I actually use. Once I’m done with the other stories, I want to sit down and make a more thorough outline of what I want the story to be and which prompts I’m going to use to get me there.
The Seduction of Adrien Agreste: This is part of the Springtime in Wonderland (Daisy/Jabberwocky) series. It deals with Luka and Adrien experimenting with physical intimacy to see if they can reach a compromise where Luka and (asexual) Adrien are both comfortable and have their needs met.
Things Currently on the Backburner:
The Rejects Club: Predominantly Marichat with Adrienette. Chat Noir and Marinette unexpectedly grow very close very fast as they open up to one another after Marinette overhears Adrien seemingly dismissing her as a romantic prospect. Identity shenanigans at farcical levels ensue.
I can’t really deal with Rejects right now. I’m feeling super overwhelmed by basic life stuff, so I don’t really have the mental or emotional energy to put into a story where I don’t know how many more chapters there will be until the end. I’m thinking that what I have planned will take at least another one or two hundred thousand words. This thing is just so massive, and I’m not in good enough mental heath to deal with it right now.
Springtime in Wonderland: Yeah, no. See the paragraph directly above. This is another one that’s going to take another couple hundred thousand words to complete, and I just don’t have the stamina in me right now. I’d rather focus on smaller projects that actually feel attainable. I’m trying not to burn myself out.
And that’s it for the moment. I’m sure I’ll come up with plenty of other stuff between now and the next time I do a status update post, but is there anything that you’re particularly interested in? Let me know what you’re thinking.
Thoughts? Feelings? Suggestions? Opinions? ^.^
#Adrinette#Adrienette#Marichat#Lukadrien#Lukadrigaminette#Alyadrino#Lady Noir#Miraculous Ladybug#Adrien Agreste#Marinette Dupain-Cheng#Chat Noir#Ladybug#Luka Couffaine#Status Update#Mikau's WIP
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The epilogue! Just wrapping some loose ends up.
A fox will tell you a thousand lies without once saying anything that isn't true.
Master Post of All Chapters
“Today the most sensational trial of the decade concluded with a guilty plea from Gabriel Agreste, better known to most as Hawkmoth. Mr. Agreste has been sentenced to serve only ten years of prison time, a most controversial decision. One month ago his final akuma rampage killed no less than forty one people, this reporter included. By only one deciding vote the jury has decided ‘not guilty’ to the accusations as thanks to Ladybug no permanent damage was found to be done. Additional charges included-”
Nathaniel tapped the x in the corner of the video to close it and shut his eyes with a sigh. Nadia looked tense in the report, clearly not agreeing with the verdict, and he sympathized with her. That same sympathy was why the jury had voted the way they did. Mr. Agreste may have pleaded guilty, but he still had very good lawyers. They spun a thrilling tale of desperation and love, a man grieving his fallen wife (who had secretly been a superhero) and doing anything he could to revive her. The fact that Paon was now a public hero (the peacock miraculous being repaired) only helped matters for him. With Hawkmoth gone Paon was more of an everyday hero, using her sentimonsters to help with things such as construction and rescuing kittens from trees, but the city adored her. Knowing Mrs. Agreste personally Nathaniel knew she did it out of guilt for what Gabriel had done to the city to revive her.
Speaking of heroes he knew personally, Marinette had been lightly hinting that he and Marc should come out with her, Adrien, and Luka on a double date. Nathaniel supposed being the embodiment of a luck based superhero was good for something. Nathaniel was felt he was lucky just to have one boyfriend. A boyfriend he was currently hiding on the school roof to avoid. Not that there was a problem with Marc! No the problem was entirely with Nathaniel, or rather his memories. In his final moments, Reverser had attempted to use his powers to allow Nathaniel to keep his memories of his time as an akuma. Due to the miraculous cure it had half worked. One moment he could be looking into Marc’s dazzling green eyes in the art room, and the next he would be looking into a different, otherworldly pair of green. His treacherous mind giving him flashes of warm lips and an even warmer body against his own. He was sixteen, male, and not at all equipped to deal with sudden feelings bowling him over out of nowhere.
So he did what any boy his age would do in that situation and ran away to hide on the roof in hopes that the cold air would help those ‘feelings’ go away. Why did his akuma self have to be so-so...bold! Penknight might have been able to just kiss his boyfriend whenever and wherever he wanted, but Nathaniel sometimes worried his heart was going to explode just holding hands. Sure, he was a little more confident in private, but a sudden urge to heavily makeout in the middle of a public space? Not possible.
“Nath?” Marc popped his head around the corner. The sound Nathaniel made was not manly. The bastard had the nerve to laugh at him. Face burning, Nathaniel scooted back to where he had been sitting before Marc decided to jump-scare him halfway across the roof. Said boy sat down next to him, their shoulders touching.
“It happened again, didn’t it?” Marc asked, resting his head on his knees. “Judging from the look on your face before you ran I’d say it was a pleasant memory.” He teased.
“It um,” Nathaniel coughed to try and prevent his throat from closing up, “It was.” They both blushed and looked away from each other.
“...You know,” Marc began “One of these days you’re going to have to actually give me more details about what you keep seeing other than ‘hrk’ ‘gack’ ‘hnnng!’ and changing the subject. I mean, with how red your face goes I can guess, but it would be nice to have it confirmed if I still have my virginity or not.” ‘Hrk’, ‘gack’, and ‘hnnng!’, plus more were included in the intelligent reply Nathaniel tried to stammer out. His only consolation was Marc looked just as embarrassed.
“We-” The redhead started, then took a deep breath for strength. “We didn’t go...that far. Hawkmoth was...watching.” Nathaniel left out the part where the villain had been gone for several hours, leaving the two to their own devices. He was in the area of 90% sure they hadn’t gone farther than making out, and fervently hoped he was right. If just remembering kissing sent him into fits, he would probably die if he suddenly recalled...other things. Time to change the subject.
“So um, you usually don’t come after me when I get overwhelmed from remembering stuff. What are you up here hiding from?” Marc had offered, when the flashbacks first started, but Nathaniel needed the time alone to sort out what he was feeling, after.
“Berger and his cronies are here.” Ugh, that man.
“They really don’t seem to care about those restraining orders, do they?” Nathaniel sighed. “Who are they after today, Adrien, Lila, or us?” While Adrien still roamed the city as Chatnoir, only a select few knew who was behind the mask. The Wah Wah were more interested in him as the son of Hawkmoth and Paon. The interviews and public admissions to her identity the first time she had become Volpina had really come back around to bite Lila in the ass. She had been publicly declared innocent of any all and crimes committed while Volpina, as cured akumas were acknowledged to have no memory or control of their akuma actions, but the zealous Office of Akuma Affairs hounded her without mercy. Nathaniel had zero sympathy for her, as she had outed him and Marc as Penknight and Prism the first chance she got to try and take some pressure off her own skin. It didn’t work, and now all three of them had to deal with idiots stalking them.
“Anyone they can sink their claws in I guess. Principal Damocles was arguing with them by the entrance when Rose let me know they were here. I figured freezing my ass off up here with you was the better alternative than trying to sneak past them.” Marc grumbled, pulling his knees in tighter. Early March in Paris was not the best weather to be sitting around outside without a coat in. Nathaniel hesitantly put an arm around him. Marc snuggled into his side with a sigh.
“Sorry, the roof seemed like a good idea at the time.” Nathaniel apologized. Marc didn’t reply, only scooting closer. “We could probably sneak into the library from here if you would like to go back inside?”
“Oh my god yes. If I stay out here any longer I’m going to be a popsicle.” Marc wasted no time jumping to his feet and pulling Nathaniel along with him. Letting himself be pulled along, Nathaniel smiled, grateful that this entire ordeal had ended on a happy note.
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“Thank you so much for letting me wait for Marinette! She’s been so helpful tutoring me.” Lila waved to Mr and Mrs Dupain-cheng, her smile fading as she climbed into Marinette’s room and out of sight. She didn’t know how it had happened, but after being cured she had lost her place as the class favorite to Marinette. She had tried every trick she could think of, saying that Nadia and Jagged had been forced by Penknight to claim not to know her. That Hawkmoth had manipulated her for his own ends. That she was just a poor victim in that awful fiasco, but nothing had worked. The class had neatly split down the middle between her supporters and Marinette’s. Heck, Nathaniel had been outright hostile to her.
She had used his animosity as an excuse to switch classes and while her new class was happy to give her the admiration she deserved, she could not, would not, accept that Marinette had beaten her. Glancing about the girl’s room she looked for anything she could use to incriminate her. To blackmail her. Hell, even to just plain HURT her. She picked up a ladybug bug shaped box on Marinette’s desk and looked for a way to open it. Figures the girl would be a Ladybug fan. Running her hands over the spots, she felt one give slightly. When she pressed again a compartment opened, revealing a silver and purple butterfly pin.
The compartment came all the way out and could be folded over into a small box. Much more convenient than taking the entire thing. Lila pocketed the first box and reached out to touch another spot, only to hear footsteps coming up the stairs. Hastily, she set the box back on the desk just in time for Marinette to appear.
“What are you doing here?” Marinette growled.
“Marinette! I came to apologize.” Lila turned up the charm. “This past month, in my new class, well some distance from the situation really made me realize how horribly I treated you and-” Marinette cut her off.
“I don’t believe any of that for a second.” She fumed. “What are you really doing here?”
“Marinette” Lila sighed. “Can’t we ever put all this passed us and be friends?” She smiled.
“Not until you prove you’ve actually changed. Sneaking into my room while I’m not here is a terrible start.”
“If we can’t have an honest conversation, I should just go…” Lila trailed off, schooling her expression into a remorseful one.
“Please do.” Marinette was not moved. She did hold the door open for Lila and walk her all the way out, no doubt to keep an eye on her. Lila didn’t mind. She might not have gotten anything world ending from this trip, but maybe she could at least pawn the pin in her pocket for some cash. The thing looked as though it was made of real silver, sure to be worth a good amount.
Oh yes, she had a good feeling about how this was going to end.
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Well there you have it, that's it for Holloa. Will there be a sequel? Perhaps. It is canon that there is a Hawkmoth several years in the future. Not sure how I would go with making that Hawkmoth Lila without her knowing who Ladybug was, or at least where to get the rest of the miraculous since she picked up the Butterfly from Marinette. Oh wait I do have an idea....hm. Maybe. I'll think about it ok. Lila makes the most sense out of everyone to be Hawkmoth 2.0
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Lady Luck AU: The Queen’s Battle Trilogy + Miraculer
In the show, these episodes deal heavily with Chloé’s plot of getting the Bee Miraculous. However, in Lady Luck, she’s had the Ladybug Miraculous since day one. So of course these episodes are going to change. A lot!
So let’s discuss that! Uh, slight trigger warning for Audrey’s shitty parenting.
Style Queen:
When Audrey shows up, Chloé is conflicted.
She still wants her mother’s love and attention, but Chloé has made actual progress toward not being a jerk.
She doesn’t want to agree with her mother’s comments, but when she tries to be nice she gets told off.
After they bump into Marinette, Chloé sticks by her instead of her mother.
They talk a little, mostly a ‘oh god no wonder you were terrible if that’s what you grew up with.’.
Mari also reassures her that she doesn’t have to be like that.
The events of Audrey getting Akumatized are the same, and Style Queen turns Adrien into a glitter statue.
Realizing that not only are they down one teammate, but that Chloé will not be at her best fighting her mother, she decides to go to Master Fu for a new Hero.
First she tells Marinette to stay and try to find Style Queen’s weaknesses. But prioritize herself over the mission.
Marinette Transforms into Fennette and both head off.
After getting the Bee Miraculous, Chloé heads to Sabrina’s house.
Their talk is a little rushed because, you know, Akuma to fight.
But Chloé is basically like “I know we haven’t been hanging out as much and sometimes I disappear at random, but I promise I have a good reason and you’ll find out after you open this box!’.
Sabrina takes the comb and minorly freaks out when Pollen appears.
Chloé explains that this is the Bee Miraculous, and Pollen is a Kwami who will help Sabrina become a Hero.
Sabrina then has a bigger freak out over ‘holy shit you’re Lady Luck!’.
Chloé cuts her off with a ‘we can discuss this later. Right now we need to go fight my mom.’
Lady Luck and Abielle go meet up with Fennette, who has done a decent job studying Style Queen while staying in the shadows
The three battle Style Queen, and it goes easier than in Canon, with Fennette making an Illusion of Gabriel to bait her, and Abielle using Venom to give them a few minutes of peace to deal with the Akumatized Object.
Plagg probably still destroys something though.
Queen Wasp
The fashion show goes off as normal, though with Chloé and Sabrina hanging with Marinette (much to the confusion of Mari’s parents and Alya)
Gabriel shows up to check on Adrien. He also low-key checks on Chloé and Marinette because fuck you that’s why.
Legit though, I do write Gabriel caring about both of them.
With Chloé, it’s because she was Adrien’s friend since they were little, so he knows her fairly well and does think of her as part of the family.
With Marinette, it’s more like ‘Hello future daughter-in-law!’.
Audrey still offers to take Marinette to New York
Marinette herself is a hell of a lot more hesitant, having seen how Audrey treats her own daughter.
Chloé is still fucking pissed. Because she’s wanted her mother’s love and attention for so long, but instead Audrey is giving that to some random girl she just met instead of her own daughter.
Then Audrey drops the ‘the only thing exceptional about you, is your mother!’ line. And hoo boy.
For Chloé, this is one of those ‘five seconds feels like five years’ type situations.
She wants to do something. To prove herself. Part of her does think about transforming into Lady Luck, and being all “I’m a superhero! Isn’t that exceptional?!”, but she realizes that it won’t be enough for Audrey, because nothing’s ever enough
And everything just kinda… clicks into place with that. The realization that nothing she does will be something Audrey considers ‘exceptional’, because the goal is always pushed further and further back.
And the realization that she doesn’t need Audrey to think anything of her.
Chloé snaps, getting this manic look that makes everyone back up a few feet. She tells Audrey that she’s going to get through to her in the only way that matters. Ruining her precious reputation.
She then heads over to the news reporters and says ‘Hey, Nadja! Wanna hear the one thing Audrey Bourgeois isn’t ‘exceptional’ at? Being a good mother!’.
Chloé goes tf off on her mother, shouting everything she’s ever felt at her. How much she’s hated everything, especially herself. How miserable she was being a jerk to everyone. How much happier she is when she’s not trying to gain the love and attention she’ll never be ‘worthy of’. How she’s stuck in this place of depression over ‘I’ll never be enough for you’ and rage over ‘why the hell aren’t I enough!?”
Audrey is trying to do bare-minimum damage control. Just telling Chloé to stop because she’s ‘making a scene’. Every time uses some variation of her name, it only fuels Chloé’s anger, and she brings it up. “Chloé! My name is Chloé! What kind of mother can’t even bother to remember her daughter’s name!
Chloé eventually brings out the ‘big guns’, AKA: Emilie Agreste. Because Emilie and Audrey were supposedly friends. She accuses Audrey of not caring about her either. After all, she didn’t even come back to Paris after hearing that Emilie was missing!
She even goes as far to ask ‘did you even pause and worry for five seconds when they told you she was gone? Probably not. Just shrugged and went back to firing your tenth assistant of the week!’.
Eventually she says something that makes Audrey angry enough to actually slap her. And while everyone else had been frozen at the fight, they start handling the situation.
First people to move are Marinette’s parents, with Tom shielding Chloé from her mother while Sabine cusses out Audrey in rapidfire Chinese
Adrien, Marinette, and Sabrina all physically pull Chloé out of the situation. Taking her somewhere safe. Maybe back to the hotel?
While Gabriel doesn’t get into the situation, he does catch Chloé’s eye and give an approving nod to her actions. (Because while Gabe is a fuck sometimes, he does care about Adrien and his friends, and tbh while he respects Audrey’s talent, he’s wanted to knock her down a peg for a long ass time.)
Chloé’s dad, however, is still frozen in shock. But we’ll get to him later.
Her friends take her somewhere safe to ride out the rest of the breakdown.
She goes through a ‘manic’ phase first. She feels great, but also full of rage. She’s grinning but wants do do something destructive. She kinda half-hopes for an Akuma so she has something to direct that at.
She apologizes to Adrien for bringing up his mom too.
Eventually she hits the full breakdown point and starts crying. This time though, she has her friends to comfort her.
‘Queen Wasp’ doesn’t really happen. Gabriel kinda decided to give her a break on this, so no butterflies come for her.
Malediktator
This picks up from the end of ‘Queen Wasp’, with Adrien, Marinette and Sabrina comforting Chloé.
At some point, Chloé’s dad shows up, already Akumatized into Maediktator.
He insists on taking Chloé with him, and the Heroes decide that it’d be better to play along for now so that they can escape and transform later.
Chloé herself is more in shock, and feels guilty over her dad’s Akumatization, knowing it probably had something to do with what happened.
Malediktator’s actions are entirely to try and make Chloé happy.
He commands Audrey to be an actual caring mother(for once), and all of a sudden she’s showering Chloé with love and affection. Telling her how wonderful and very exceptional she is.
He uses his power to make several teens(mostly the classmates) adore Chloé and wish to be her friend.
At some point the others sneaked away to transform, and when they show back up Malediktator demands that they give Chloé one of the Miraculous, as is wonderful and deserves such an honor!
At first, Chloé is still in breakdown mode. Just kind of going along with everything.
But after a while, everything just hurts more and more. Because this version of her mother that loves her? The classmates who adore her? They only exist because of a magic spell.
And while she still feels guilty about her dad getting Akumatized, it does make her feel better to know he’s just trying to help her.
Malediktator begs Chloé to tell him what will make her happy. She tells him that she just wants him back to normal.
Obvs there’s the conflict there, as Akumas don’t usually want to give up their power, but doing that would make her happy.
This distracts him long enough for Abielle to use Venom and freeze him in place.
Chloé sneaks off to transform, drop in long enough to purify the Butterfly and change things back to normal.
After all this, Chloé and her dad talk for a while.
He apologizes for everything. Like, he knew Audrey was… high maintenance. And kind of a bitch. But he never realized how bad things were for Chloé.
Like, it seemed like he’d always been able to cheer her up. Telling her she’s great anyway, buying gifts, everything. He also didn’t hear how bad Chloé had been to her classmates, because the school staff was always too scared to report her.
She understands that he tried, and reassures him that he did help. She’d probably be worse without him. Hell, she might even be the kind of person Audrey would like, which isn’t the person she wants to be anymore.
Eventually, he asks her if she’s at all happy being around her mother, if she would rather try and fix things or let Audrey go back to New York. Chloé answers honestly. She doesn’t really care where her mother goes. She doesn’t need her. She’s happy without her.
After that, he’s like ‘well in that case, time for a divorce!’.
Chloé starts to go ‘wait, no!’ at that.
But he assures her that this was a long time coming. The relationship honesty hasn’t been right in a long time. Audrey had always been…. High maintenance… but she’s gotten worse and worse and she’s never even in the same country anymore!
The only reason he kept trying to make it work was because Chloé had ‘adored’ her mother before. But considering everything that just happened? That’s it. He was highly debating divorce anyway after the fight(and especially the slap), but he wanted to ask Chloé first.
She ends up seeking comfort at Marinette’s place.
Mari’s parents kind of assume the worst at first. Like, the ‘she needs somewhere to stay now’ worst. But Chloé explains that’s not the case.
There’s a bit of venting, and Mari and her family are like ‘okay look if you need somewhere to stay, even if it’s just to get away for a while, you can stay here’.
She’s going to take up that offer a lot.
Miraculer
So, Lila has nothing to do with this plot. Because 1. Chloé knows she’s a trick ass bitch 2. there’s no issue over the Bee Miraculous.
Anyway, after the events of the Queen’s Battle Tirlogy, Chloé spends a lot of time at Marinette’s house. Because out of her close circle of friends, it’s the one she finds the most comforting.
She cares about Sabrina, but Roger kinda hates her so she feels unwelcome in her home
Adrien’s place reminds her too much of Emilie, so it hurts to be there(something Adrien agrees with).
All other friends she’s made so far are nice, but their families aren’t as ready to welcome her in all the time.
Meanwhile, Tom and Sabine saw what happened with Audrey and went ‘Where’s the adoption papers?!’.
Episode starts with Chloé at Mari’s place. Along with some of the rest of the group at that point. At least Adrien and Sabrina probably. They get a text from another friend telling them to check out the news channel.
Turning on the tv, they see an interview with Audrey discussing the divorce. Specifically, which parent gets custody of Chloé.
Audrey is playing it up in the interview, talking about how this whole ordeal has ‘made her realize how distant she’d been the past few years’. Obviously Chloé just wanted to spend more time with her mother! And full custody would help give them the time they needed!
She’s very obviously trying to control the situation. Make herself look like a misunderstood victim. And potentially, get control over Chloé again to make her more obedient and horrible.
Audrey says she’ll definitely get custody, even after the ‘incident’, because she’ll be taking Chloé to New York with her. Somewhere far away from all the dangerous Akumas.
Naturally Chloé is very distressed by that.
Not only is she finally starting to feel happy with a handful of people who genuinely care about her, but she’s Lady Luck. Lady Luck can’t just leave!
The whole thing sends her into a panic attack.
Chloé is very nearly Akumatized over it, but her friends manage to help her pull together. They’re not going to let Audrey take her away.
While she’s safe, the Butterfly heads to someone who is less ‘distressed’ and more ‘filled with righteous fury’
Sabine Cheng gets Akumatized.
I’m debating on her Akuma name. The canonical ‘Verity Queen’ fits, but I was also thinking about ‘Godmother’. Like, a ‘fairy godmother’ theme.
Sabine’s anger is half ‘How dare someone treat their child like this’, and half ‘My daughter now!’.
Godmother, naturally, goes after Audrey.
It’s a tough fight. Partly because Chloé is very tempted to let Godmother kick Audrey’s ass, and partly because Marinette is hesitant to fight her mom.
And also because even though they’re trying to fight her, Godmother is more like ‘You’re all children! How dare this responsibility be handed to you!? You’re my kids now too.”
Eventually they do defeat her, and they end up in front of cameras, with Nadja trying to get answers about Sabine’s Akumatization and Audrey trying to get Lady Luck to agree with her about how ‘dangerous’ this city is.
While Lady Luck remains somewhat calm, as she can distance herself from the situation by talking in third person, she goes tf off on Audrey again.
She explains to Nadja that the Butterfly was originally after Chloé, who was having a panic attack over the idea of Audrey taking her away from her friends and ‘real family’. That Chloé was able to avoid being Akumatized, but the Butterfly went after Sabine who wanted to protect a girl she cared for like a daughter now.
When Audrey plays the ‘it’s so dangerous here because of the Akumas’ card, Lady Luck asks ‘are you implying that we can’t do our job?’. She also points out that Heroes and Villains and Magic exist everywhere, even in New York.
Most importantly, she says “I think Chloé is far safer with the woman who got Akumatized over wanting to protect someone she cares about, than she is with the woman who got Akumatized over ‘being put in the second row’, don’t you think?’.
Oh? You’re probably wondering about Mayura. Well…. I might stretch this out into a two-parter since the Akuma took up so much.
Chloé heads back to her hotel, thankfully walking through the lobby and up the elevator instead of swinging in as Lady Luck, because Mayura is in the room waiting for her.
Chloé is hella on guard, wondering if Mayura figured out her secret identity. She doesn’t transform just yet though.
Mayura is here to offer a deal of sorts.
She explains how the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous have such amazing power. That they can do so much, give her anything she wants.
Anything, including the mother that loves her.
Chloé scoffs at that, saying she doesn’t want some magic spell version of Audrey to love her, so Mayura can take her offer and shove it.
Mayura clarifies that she wasn’t referring to Chloé’s biological mother, but the mother figure who recently disappeared.
Yeah. Basically the offer is Gabriel and Nathalie banking on the idea that Chloé wants Emilie back just as much as they do.
The plan involves first testing the waters, seeing if she’d join them for the reward of saving Emilie. If she does, then they’ll let her in on identities.
From there, they’d use her to make Akumas. Either Akumatizing her directly over and over, or having her be a jerk and cause negative emotions.
If she steals the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous, then great. If she steals one of the others, then she can use that instead.
If she steals two of the others, they might let Adrien in on the plan.
Side note: the reason they’re using Chloé instead of Adrien for this is because Adrien is a bit softer, less likely to fight(as far as they know), and even more unlikely to fight on the ‘dark side’.
What they didn’t expect was Chloé judo flipping Mayura, pinning her to the floor, and interrogating her.
Mayura might be stronger than Chloé when not transformed, but Chloé had the element of surprise.
Chloé also taps into her Aura Vision stuff and finds out that the Peacock is broken.
Basically Chloé interpreted the offer as more of a ‘we know where she is and if you help us we’ll help you’ thing.
She’s turning the threat around. ‘Tell me everything you know about what happened to Emilie or I will fight you without magic’.
Mayura manages to keep her cool and clarifies that she meant it literally, the Miraculous could help bring Emilie back, no matter where she is.
Once Chloé gives a definitive answer of ‘I’m not going to become a supervillain and hurt everyone else just to bring her back to me!’, Mayura breaks out of her hold and runs off.
After making sure she’s left, Chloé texts the team, and Master Fu, to meet right the hell now.
I already mentioned the ‘Titan’s Tower’ System
Everyone shows up and she tells them what just happened with Mayura
She assures them that her identity isn’t in danger because Mayura didn’t even look at her earrings, much less try to take them.
She also asks Master Fu about the broken Peacock, what it’s effects are, and how to deal with it
Chloé also brings up the ‘Gabriel might be Hawkmoth’ thing
I mean, she never really dropped it after The Collector, but still. This is a time to bring it up. Because Mauyra specifically brought up Emilie.
Adrien reminds her that Gabriel was Akumatized, and she points out that he has Mayura, who could’ve Akumatized him.
They also come to the conclusion that if Gabriel is Hawmoth, than Mayura is Nathalie.
The team debates back and forth on this
Ultimately, they decide that while Gabriel and Nathalie are good suspects, they’re the only good suspects that they know about. There’s a decent chance that Hawkmoth and Mayura are some random people that they’ve never met and have no connection to.
They do decide to keep an eye on them though.
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*slides in* Hey there, love! I do believe you mentioned something about Poly ML heroes when last we spoke. Care to elaborate on a delicious concept? *vanishes on the wind*
Originally just random headcanons, but nooo. Someone has to feed me ideas and then prompt me into doing a twitter fic! Also, I don’t know twitter, and Loud!Paris is a magazine I made up.
SuperWatch @superherowatch
Rena Rouge and Carapace confirmed as a couple! Interview on… #superheroes #romance #RenaRouge #Carapace
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
Hey!!! That’s super cool! We have confirmed superhero pairing!!!
IAmTheWalrus @walrus
Yeah! I mean we all thought LadyNoir was real but hey- just as epic!
Keith @keithrichards
They keep making comments about being down for dating the others though. And joking about how hot people are. That’s sketchy.
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
Not really? I mean they’re probably just joking. I joke with my boyfriend like that all the time- we aren’t serious about it.
SuperWatch @superherowatch
Rena Rouge and Carapace have been accused of lying of their relationship or not taking it seriously… and then Queen Bee steps in. YouTube… #superheroes #romance #RenaRouge #Carapace #QueenBee
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
Holy crap!!! Did she just kiss Rena? And talk about being Poly?!?
Keith @keithrichards
Okay- that is taking it way to far. @ladybug, @kittycatnoir- you’ve gotta take away their Miraculous. They’re being utter perverts!!
KeepParisSafe @keepparissafe
I agree! This is a disgusting display of immorality and needs to be stopped!!
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
You’re the disgusting ones! Love is love you asses! Go tell the mayor to his face what you think if you’re going to whine on Twitter!
LadybugOffical @ladybug
Hey guys, just want to say that as a bisexual and polyromantic woman I support my teammates. Here’s the interview I did for the Ladyblog concerning this. #LGBT #comingout
KeepParisSafe @keepparissafe
Here’s a petition to force the so called heroes we have into giving up their powers so decent and family friendly heroes can take their place. #keepparissafe #banperversion
Ladyblog @alyathereporter
Hey Ladybloggers! I’ve got a hot scoop from a rather interesting source on the drama occurring in the media right now surrounding our heroes! Ladyblog… #ladybug #ladyblog #here’sthescoop
HufflepuffisMe @harrypotternerd123
Hey, can we get a transcript for the deaf bloggers?
Ladyblog @alyathereporter
Of course!!! Sorry for any inconvenience! …
Miss Popular @tiffanyjohnson
Favourite part of this:
JT: I don’t understand why it’s such a fuss. The Seven Main Stones- as there are many other Miraculous Stones and you may see them occasionally- all tend to have a very close relationship. I was involved in such a relationship when I was in a group much closer to my age. Others were to- certainly it’s not always. We once had a full team of siblings- but it’s often enough we just don’t care.
A: And your age…
JT: I just don’t care. Let them be kids. Let them date, who cares. #olddudespeakswisdom #JadTurtleStan
MayorOfParis @andrebourgeois
My official statement for this entire thing is that I stand behind my daughter and proudly support her and her friends and fellow heroes. #themayor #LGBTProudparent
Queen Bee @chloebourgeois
I am not dating Rena or Carapace. I kissed Rena to prove a point. #goodkisser #notdating #stop asking
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Hello everyone, we’ve got a scoop! Our only known hero Queen Bee was seen kissing the creator of the Ladyblog Alya Césaire while a boy was holding her hand!!! #LGBT #dating
Ladyblog @alyathereporter
Official statement: yes. I am dating Chloe and my boyfriend Nino. All three of us are dating. #LGBT #notladybugstuff
Ladybug#1Fan @kittykitykitty
No wonder you get all the scoops then! This is blatant favouritism!!
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
She gets all the scoops because she’s a good reporter? Your blog literally steals from them all? And I don’t think she was dating Chloe earlier?!
SuperWatch @superherowatch
This in- Ladybug and Chat Noir caught kissing on the Effile Tower! #superheroes #Ladybug #ChatNoir #romance
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
IT’S CANON MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!
Keith @keithrichards
Given how immoral Ladybug is, I say Chat should dump her right away.
Chat Noir @kittychatnoir
Given I’m Pan and Poly… no.
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
BURN.
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Chloe and her girlfriend, Alya Césaire, and their boyfriend, Nino Lahiffe, caught out with Model Adrien Agreste and a pigtailed girl- and Adrien was holding hands with Nino!!! #LGBT #cute
Gabriel @gabrielagreste
I support my son in any way possible. Here is a release of Pride-related merchandise that I have been planning since he came out to me. Some of it designed by his girlfriend Marinette Dupain-Cheng. #LGBT #LGBTProudParent
Adrien’s Wife @iloveadrienagreste
SHE’S TOTALLY USING HIM! THEY ALL ARE! HE DESERVES BETTER.
Ladyblog @alyathereporter
How? Where’s your proof?
Mrs. Agreste @superpowahgirlisme
Wow, I just did some Google-Fu on the people Adrien is dating and… it’s honestly super impressive? #theseguysarecool #gothem
1- Alya is the runner of the Ladyblog which is #1 for news on Ladybug and has amazing footage- even before she started dating Queen Bee.
2- Nino won multiple DJ competitions and even has filmed small movies?!? Also the guy apparently got Akumatized cause Adrien wasn’t getting a party for his birthday so props!
3- Chloe is the mayor’s kid. And a superhero
4- Marinette is the girl who designed Jagged Stine’s glasses and his album cover. And she’s won a bunch of competitions!!!
Adrien’s Wife @iloveadrienagreste
THEY ARE USING HIM.
Mrs. Agreste @superpowahgirlisme
Given that only Marinette is like the girl who is in the fashion industry and she’s already attracted big names… ha.
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Interview with the poly couple everyone’s talking about! #polycouple #PolyLychee
DJ MIx @ninolahiffe
Apparently #PolyLychee is trending. Is it bad to want to put out some mixes I made for sale?
Adrien’s Wife @iloveadrienagreste
DO IT! I’d buy!!!
KeepParisSafe @keepparissafe
No one should buy anything from a perverted source! #BoycottDjMIx
Adrien’s Wife @iloveadrienagreste
Yeah- no one cares.
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Apparently there may be drama in #PolyLychee? Marinette seen with strange man! #istheredrama
Sewing Queen @risesfrombread
To all those who are asking- that’s Luka. He’s the older brother of a friend of ours… and another boyfriend. He WAS trying to keep it quiet cause he wanted to be a great musician without saying he had a leg up. Thanks a lot @loudparis
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Jagged Stone comes out with a new hit single dedicated to his sunglasses designer and friend, Marinette Dupain-Cheng and her poly relationship! As well… he comes out of the closet! #LGBT #PolyLychee #JaggedComingOut
Loud!Paris @loudparis
Another girlfriend?! Kagami Tsurugi seen with the poly relationship holding hands with Adrien Agreste!! #PolyLychee #LGBT #another
ModelMagic @adrienagreste
You know… @loudparis should shut up about the relationship we have if they keep outing our girlfriends and boyfriends. #PolyLychee #stopit
SuperWatch @superherowatch
HAWKMOTH REVEALED! Gabriel Agreste has been revealed to be Hawkmoth, with his assistant Nathalie Sancoeur being in cahoots! #Hawkmoth #HawkmothRevealed
LadybugOffical @ladybug
Please do not ask @adrienagreste any questions or disturb him. We have cleared his name and ask that he received privacy while we handle this.
SuperWatch @superherowatch
Hawkmoth has received 25 years in jail! His accomplice recieved 20! Also, new heroes on the block? The Butterfly and Peacock are in new hands! #hawkmoth #newheroes?
Loud!Paris @loudparis
This just in…. SUPERHEROES UNMASKED!! #whoisit #superheroes
MissPopular @tiffanyjohnson
…We should have fucking known. #PolyLychee is now #PolyHeroes
Headcanons
-As you can tell, it started with Alya and Nino and rolled from there. Chloe saved them, they started hanging around her and then suddenly… all three were dating and oh, cool.
-Adrien and Marinette kinda joined after coming out as Poly as Chat and Ladybug to their teammates. They started as the heroes, couldn’t take the guilt and then… boom.
-Their families were 100% supportive and Gabriel like had the Gorilla look out for all of them. The Gorilla becomes a fan favourite cause he’s awesome and he protects them all. He has physically removed fans and haters.
-Gabriel has akumatized a LGBT member who went after homophobes and just humiliated them. The Heroes may not have bothered trying to help for a while.
-Luka joined the poly when he started hanging out with Marinette and Adrien more. He liked them all it just… happened. They did want to keep it quiet. Thanks Loud.
-Kagami was similar.
-Hawkmoth revealed, they all ended up staying in Adrien’s mansion and kind of doing a reveal to their families. No one was against it after that.
-Luka got Nooro while Kagami got the Peacock. They’re very happy together.
-They all got to keep their Miraculous and Master Fu peacefully passed not long after. They all attended his funeral- in full uniform.
-It was after that they did a giant reveal to Paris so they could properly mourn him and keep the police off Adrien’s back.
-In the end… they all become super famous and awesome. Nino become a famous DJ, Alya is a reporter who still runs the Ladyblog and other stuff, Chloe is terrifying as a businesswoman, Luka is a famous musician, Kagami is a champion fencer, Marinette is a designer and Adrien is a physics teacher.
-The Gorilla sticks with them and becomes head of security. He’s still a fan favourite- more so after he got a dog.
-The only thing that tops the Gorilla getting a dog, is the PolyHeroes having kids. Alya and Marinette got pregnant first and then Kagami and Chloe went: Shit, why not.
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So I’m catching up on Miraculous Ladybug at long last (I finished season one when it was out and never got around to watching later episodes when they came out) and I thought I’d just put all my reactions in one post so as not to go overboard.
So first off, I really like that they opened the season with the Gabriel=Hawkmoth reveal? Obviously it wasn’t much of a reveal at that point, but it’s good that they didn’t waste any time. And they immediately set us up for future speculation by revealing that Nathalie knows about Hawkmoth at the same time-- also good! Plus, I like how GabeMoth deceived our heroes about his identity. The conclusion they reached about “he was akumatized so he can’t be Hawkmoth” seems a little shaky to me (how do they know that’s not just another application of his power-granting powers?) but the deception was well-crafted and well-acted, and I can absolutely see how it would fool two children who desperately want to believe the best of him.
Despair Bear: I like seeing Chloe’s softer side (one-dimensional bullies bore me) but I love seeing Hawkmoth literally go “ah yes, people in close proximity to Chloe Bourgeois, the perfect opportunity to akumatize someone.”
Riposte: God, Ladrien is my favorite dynamic in the love square. They’re both with the person they like… but they don’t want to act like they’re interested in that person in their current form… how terrible!
I also like the “akuma alert” that shows up in this episode. Paris has gotten really used to this, huh? (I guess it’s not surprising, since there’s literally never any lasting damage.)
I have to say, I really prefer these episodes that spend most of their time on fighting the villain rather than on the high school drama.
Also… there are people who ship Ladybug/Kagami, right? Because Kagami staring at Ladybug when she tells her everything is alright is just… *chef kiss* perfection. That’s the kind of wonder-filled stare that crushes are built around. (Of course, as a big fan of poly resolutions to love triangles, I’m hoping that Luka will have a similar moment with Adrien so I can build a proper shipping tesseract.)
Befana: I haven’t actually started watching the episode yet as I write this, but seeing the blurb say that Marinette’s grandma gets akumatized is giving me Thoughts about Paris’s culture and society in the wake of the whole akumatization thing. Like, insulting someone or being overly cruel to them is just actively dumb, obviously-- you might not suffer permanent harm, but the next couple hours probably won’t be pleasant for you if Hawkmoth is paying attention. In a non-kid’s-show universe, anyone with common sense would be unusually concerned about hurting people’s feelings at all times. There’s a lot of “utopia-looking dystopia” potential in something like that.... (Of course, as I watch the episode and it transpires that Grandma is deeply out of touch with current Paris, this seems oddly prophetic. Kagami was from out of town as well… hmmm….)
Also: Marinette’s parents fistbumping is Super Cute and I love it.
Random thought while watching: Do you think one of the reasons people always run away from Akumas is to give Ladybug and Cat Noir plausible deniability?
Another aside: It’s always kind of weird when the dub is Really Obvious about having changed something. They really think we can’t recognize that the “fairies” here are supposed to be angels?
My new favorite part of this episode: Befana making Hawkmoth say “please”. God, I love her.
Tangent: I wish they would do more with the purified butterflies. If they can’t follow them back to Hawkmoth, is it at least possible that they could destroy them? Hawkmoth seems to have a limited number of them. Maybe normal damage wouldn’t do anything, but if Cataclysm happens to have not been used yet in the fight, surely that would be enough to destroy the butterfly? If that became a thing, it would add two interesting new elements to every fight: a slow countdown to Hawkmoth eventually becoming powerless, and a struggle for Cat Noir to not have to use his power.
Robostus: ...The technology level in this is kind of weird. Not super weird, given how recently this was made, but at least a little weird.
I really like this akuma? He’s asking questions of Hawkmoth, unlike most people. And his tech-control may be the most powerful akuma we’ve ever seen.
And he’s the first akuma to betray Hawkmoth! Damn, I love this little guy. I wonder if this is why Hawkmoth usually hands out relatively weak powers?
Glaciator: I hate episodes where Marinette is the cause for someone’s akumatization. I mean, it’s good to have flawed heroes and all, but it’s just so awkward to watch. Though I do like that she immediately recognized that she was cruel and felt bad about it, instead of needing a hamfisted moral.
I know I said before that Ladrien was my favorite dynamic, but Marichat is pretty great too. Removing the pressure of the crush from both sides gives us a great chance to see how they work as friends.
Sapotis: Random thought: What does Hawkmoth do with his cane when he’s using both hands to infuse a butterfly? Does it just stand on its own?
Here’s another akuma that I really like. Multiplying powers are perfect for overwhelming the heroes and for protecting the core object. “When they eat” is a decent limitation to make it possible for them to eventually be defeated, too.
I like that handing out the Fox Miraculous wasn’t an easy choice. It’s kind of a big deal! I do think that it’s kind of a weird choice, though-- why should Marinette particularly think that illusions will be helpful in dealing with this? (For that matter, what makes Fox Illusions important enough to be one of the five central Miraculouses? The Butterfly makes sense-- handing powers out to other people is a huge power-- but illusions just don’t seem to measure up against stuff like the Rabbit’s time travel. I have to think that the Fox has more powers to unlock, just like the Ladybug and the Cat.)
Huh, Alya detransformed faster than Marinette even though she had spent less time transformed and used her power later. That seems to suggest that practice extends how long they can use their powers… Which makes sense, given Hawkmoth’s ability relative to theirs. That’s probably why his powers (and Fluff’s, later in the series) are so much stronger, as well… it’s just that it’s hard to judge the strength of most of the powers we’ve seen so far.
Gorizilla: Hey, Gabriel Agreste? Do me a favor and DIE HORRIBLY.
Captain Hardrock: ...So, is Luka being written as autistic-coded? It seems like he can communicate more easily through music, which (while I’m not entirely sure if that’s a real way autism can manifest) is definitely a way it gets written in some stories.
Alya: “Some of us are still chained up here, could you stop flirting for one second?” (I love her so much)
Okay, I’m not a musician, but can Adrien and Gabriel just… play a solo piece as a duet? Don’t you need a song written for that purpose?
Everyone already knows that Adrien and Luka had just as much a meet-cute as Luka and Marinette did, right? Good, good. The Ship Tesseract is a go.
Frightningale: Marinette is very cute when she gets excited about her idols.
Tikki explicitly and casually saying that she’s proud of Marinette is A+, very excellent.
Plagg: “That costume is what you really wanted deep down, isn’t it?” What. WHAT??? So… Miraculous costumes are shaped by the desires of their holders? I love it. I love it! That opens such a delightful future opportunity for showcasing character growth, it’s perfect.
Adrien shows up dressed as Cat Noir: Marinette.exe has stopped working.
...I really wish they would take this episode as a chance to explicitly say that Miraculous Magic helps protect their identities. That really needs to be canonized if people are going to stop looking like morons.
Syren: Wow, we’re jumping right into this akuma. Very promising for my enjoyment of the episode! And a delightfully interesting akuma, too-- I’m a big fan of terrain control as a power.
New transformation sequence! New powers! I love this whole episode.
And Adrien getting to meet Master Fu is also Very Good. He deserves it.
Zombizou: Another excellent episode. I love this Akuma’s power… all the cute of a romance with all the horror of zombies. A delightfully unusual combination that could only occur in Miraculous Ladybug.
And some delightful character growth for Chloe, which I love.
Frozer: Okay, Cat Noir grabbing a rose to give to Ladybug is cute and all, but… roses are expensive, you know? It’s like he just swiped a few dollars out of this guys hand.
Kagami, who ships Marinette/Adrien as much as anyone else in the school: Change targets, Adrien. Adrien: *hands her a rose* Kagami: Wrong target!
...Yeah, Adrien does not have a lot of good options for love advice around him. But wow, going to Marinette is hands-down the cruelest and dumbest thing he could do.
God, I love Marinette’s friends. They have their own personal fandom going on here, don’t they?
Aaaww, Gorilla Bodyguard is nice. It’s a shame that he never talks, honestly.
You know, I’m really trying to ship this poly quartet, but it just isn’t doing much for me tbh.
I do like the different forms (and the different transformation sequences) but I have to wonder what the rest of them do. Surely they can’t all be for dealing with different kinds of environments? There just aren’t that many environments that need magical assistance to deal with. Underwater, on ice… I can imagine flight, fire resistance, and maybe digging, but that only gets us to five out of seven potions. It’s hard to think of two more environment adaptations that wouldn’t be covered by the first five. There must be at least one that has a different kind of power.
Remember how I really enjoy episodes that spend a lot of time with the akuma? That goes in reverse for episodes that spend a lot of time on stalling relationship drama. If anyone was actually making any kind of progress, that would be one thing, but as it is…
Style Queen: Tikki playing Marinette’s crush on Adrien against her crippling insecurity is just hilarious to me. I don’t know why.
...I really hope this interview isn’t going out live. Poor Chloe. She doesn’t deserve that.
Tikki: *encourages Marinette in every possible way when she’s anxious* Plagg: You feel awkward? It’s because you look dumb.
How the heck did all of Marinette’s classmates and family get seats in this highly prestigious fashion show? Front-row seats, no less? (I could understand a couple tickets for close family and friends, but this is a little excessive.)
Wow, Nathalie is really good at this “accidental” infuriation thing.
(Side note: I really like the touch of having Chloe so thoroughly imitate her mother as to even walk like her. It serves a delightful dual narrative purpose of both explaining much of Chloe’s cruelty and of making Audrey’s cruelty to her daughter even more heartbreaking.)
Okay, again: How did Nino get the gig of doing music for this highly prestigious fashion show? Like, did Adrien cash in every favor he had with his father? And why are all the other rows of the audience still empty? I normally don’t notice or care about animation shortcuts, but this is all very glaring.
...God, Chloe wants to please her mother so much she’ll even help her akumatized self. That’s just depressing.
Plaggaclysm is an absolute goddamn delight. (And, you know, utterly terrifying.) It makes me wonder what Tikki’s unrestrained power looks like.
Okay, as someone who’s been spoilered a lot, I always wondered how Marinette managed to lose a Miraculous so badly that it ended up in Chloe’s hands, but this is actually a really good explanation-- she thought that the magic clean-up of Miraculous Ladybug would have sent it back. Which makes sense! That’s the kind of put-things-back-where-they-were that we might often see from a Miraculous Ladybug. It’s not great that she just assumed that without checking, but it’s not unreasonable either.
Troublemaker: ...So, is this out of order or something? Or is there a deliberate gap between the two Queen episodes?
You know, it’s hard not to wonder sometimes why Hawkmoth keeps trying all these useless-seeming akumas all the time, but Troublemaker does a pretty good job stating their case-- sometimes you just get exactly the right circumstances for victory, even with a power that wouldn’t do much good anywhere else. Intangibility wouldn’t be impressive outdoors or even in the Agreste mansion... but in a cramped Parisian apartment, she’s one of the most successful akumas ever created.
It’s nice that they’re actually showing us some emotional aftermath of an akumatization for once. You can just feel that shame radiating off of Penny-- that sense of “how could I do that? What will they think of me?” It’s a nice thing to address.
You know what I just realized I desperately want? I want post-reveal shenanigans where Tikki hangs out with Marinette’s other female friends. They have such a great girl group, and Tikki would be so much fun hanging out with them.
Queen Wasp: It’s interesting that Gabriel mentions a “promise” between him and Emilie. That certainly seems to imply more than just him wanting to resurrect her. I’m starting to see where the “maybe Emilie was evil too” headcanons come from.
Yay, Marinette’s getting what she deserves! Boo, Chloe doesn’t deserve to have this happen in front of her! Very mixed feelings.
...But wow, Chloe did not choose a great way to react to that. I can’t blame her at all, but still…
I wish they’d given more time to the Queen Wasp fight. I mean, I get that obviously they couldn’t do much since a single strike on her part would defeat them, but such a powerful akuma deserves more attention.
Chloe saying sorry is just… That’s Growth!
Reverser: I’m enjoying this episode, but the number of people who seem honestly confused about the fact that Marc is an akuma is baffling. It feels like this really ought to be a Season 1 episode.
This really seems like an episode where they should be handing out other Miraculouses to get some help? I mean, Alix said it pretty explicitly. I can imagine a lot of ways that Rena Rouge could help out here, for instance.
Random thought: How come Ladybug can capture and purify the akumas anyway? It doesn’t really seem to fit Tikki’s theme of Creation. Is it because she’s one of the top two Miraculouses, and therefore has some amount of power over the lesser Miraculous? That would make sense, I suppose. And I... guess it sort of counterbalances Plagg’s ability to destroy the Miraculouses.
Anansi: Adrien excusing his father’s behavior as being “overprotective” is physically painful to me.
Honestly, Nora has a point. How are the people of Paris supposed to tell the difference between akumatized people and people in costumes? (Well, presumably it’s easier to tell the difference in a non-animated world…)
Marinette being a Chaotic Good trickster is my everything. Almost as much as Alya being all dramatic as she walks out is.
The irony of this ordinary, non-magical fighter saying that Alya, Marinette, Adrien, and Nino are clueless about the dangers of akumas is smothering.
Is it just me, or does Marinette look unusually worried in this transformation sequence? I thought they just reused the same thing multiple times, but this definitely isn’t her usual cheery transformation.
I’ve been waiting a long time for Cat Noir to use Cataclysm as a way to protect his Miraculous. It’s a fairly obvious application of the power, and it’s nice to see that finally happen.
Ladybug: This Cat empty, YEET!
God, Nino is a terrible liar. Which puts him in good company in this show…
Malediktator: Obviously we can’t have Chloe maintaining her positive character development. Clearly, we need to backtrack that immediately! /sigh… I suppose it makes some sense in that she’s spending more time with her mother and learning from her.
I feel bad for the Mayor. Audrey is too cruel to deal with, and Chloe follows her example.
I saw the “everyone celebrates Chloe leaving” bit coming a mile away, and I still laughed for a solid minute. Of course, then Adrien has to come along and spoil it with her being his “childhood friend” and “the only person his age he knew for years”, but whatever.
God, I can’t believe the Lucky Charm in this episode. Can we have more of that, please? Massive laser gun weapons for the win.
The one thing I can’t stop thinking about is how Cat Noir’s Miraculous is clearly only saved by narrative convenience. It’s frankly very jarring.
Sandboy: Some interesting worldbuilding going on here. Too bad it comes at the cost of Nooroo having to deal with Gabriel “Evil Bitch” Agreste.
Anyway, worldbuilding. Miraculous holders can apparently control their kwamis! That’s… awful.
And, as I’ve wondered for a while, it appears that the Miracle Box is in fact magical in and of itself, and not just a spiffy container for the Miraculouses-- it apparently has a kwami pocket dimension.
Kwamis can’t say their owners’ names, which makes sense.
Nightmare!Adrien is horrifying.
I’m a little disappointed with the singing kwamis. That could have been a lot more mystical.
Adrien’s nightmare is… incredibly depressing and disturbing. Yeesh.
Hawkmoth reverse-tracking the kwamis is hugely dangerous. I hope Fu moves to a different apartment after this. (And speaking of Fu, I’m a little disappointed by his nightmare. I hoped for something a little more revealing.)
Have I told Gabriel Agreste to die in a fire recently? Just in case… die in a fire, Gabriel Agreste.
Catalyst: I’ve been looking forward to this one, yes I have…
God, there’s a statue of Adrien’s dead mom right outside his room? Was his life not awful enough somehow?
Yeesh, Lila. I probably should have rewatched Volpina at some point so I had a better sense of what’s going on with her, but there’s only so much Lila nonsense I want to deal with. And apparently she’s lying to both her parents and to the school? Honestly, why?
Ugh, Marinette lying. Honestly, I just straight-up skipped past this. Among my many personal problems with this, I also feel that having everyone say in front of the entire class what they’re doing for Heroes Day is… really weird? I mean, that would be an unfair way to force children to compare themselves to each other even in a world without akumatizations-- and in this world, it’s an actively dumb thing to do.
Volpina(/Lila) is such an interesting character because she so entirely embraces the power Hawkmoth grants her, and is so willing to help him even when she loses that power.
Catalyst is a fascinating akuma choice. I don’t think it would work for anyone but Nathalie, and for her it fits perfectly. And from the very instant she appears, it’s obvious that she may well be the most valuable akuma ever created.
Watching people stare down the akumas is awesome, I have to say.
I love these Miraculous handing-outs. Alya once again proves herself the queen of everything.
Mayura: Ohhhh yes. I’ve really been waiting for this one.
Dark Cupid + Scarlet Moth is a particularly inspired combination. Honestly, at this end of the episode I can’t possibly imagine what would lead to Hawkmoth never doing this again.
Plagg sharing his cheese may be the most heartwarming moment this series has ever seen.
The Peacock Miraculous is fascinating in oh-so-many ways. It creates (or maybe summons) creatures from strong emotions with a material focus, just like the Butterfly Miraculous. What makes those two so different from seemingly every other Miraculous? Is it something about the way they’re used? And how was it damaged? My initial guess is that some of the feathers were destroyed by a Cataclysm for some reason.
...It just occurred to me that Adrien probably thinks that Marinette is stammering and clumsy around lots of people. (I feel like that’s been addressed in a previous episode, though…)
Having reached the end of the episode, I’m still not sure why they wouldn’t repeat the Catalyst -> Scarlet Moth -> Dark Cupid combo in the future. As far as I can tell, there’s no downsides to this-- it seems to cost them no more than normal, and even if they can’t get Dark Cupid, the rest of the combo still works. Why would Gabriel and Nathalie bring back Mayura and not Catalyst?
Chameleon: Ugh, Lila. I honestly just skipped the first third of this episode and read a summary. Her lying is painful in almost every way.
Fortunately, what she lacks in believability, she makes up in pure willing evil. Grabbing an akuma and demanding to be akumatized? That’s how you make a petty villain look dangerous.
(Also, “Oops! I lied” is a fantastic line. Slightly funny, dangerously unrepentant… delightful.)
Chameleon’s powers are an interesting twist on Lila’s usual Volpina powers. They’re clearly weaker, but also more personal, and they allow the possibility of an actual attack with her kiss-- a capability that Volpina lacked. On the whole, I find myself less impressed with these powers than with Volpina’s (not least thanks to Lila’s less-subtle actions this time around), but it at least opens up some future possibilities. Still, I think for Lila to be a real threat in the future, she’s going to need to steal the Fox Miraculous.
Sigh… another disobedient akuma making things harder for Hawkmoth. At this point, it’s less relieving than it is predictable.
Honestly, I really like the idea of Lila? Marinette and Ladybug having the same dedicated enemy is something that the show otherwise lacks, and her use of lies morally opposes her to Marinette in an interesting way that could be used to explore the moral complications of the secret identity. It just sucks that she’s so very poorly implemented.
(Side note: I’m reading the Miraculous wiki of this episode, and it points out that Hawkmoth has tried to akumatize Marinette and gotten someone else twice now, and both times the new person has had kiss-based powers. I wonder if that might be foreshadowing for what an eventual akumatized Marinette’s powers might look like?)
Backwarder: Again, I’m skipping the first part and reading a summary. I’m just… so tired of love square shenanigans. There’s a reason I shouldn’t binge watch this show…
Hawkmoth in a train bathroom should be funny to me, but I just can’t comprehend that negative emotions are really so rare in Paris that he absolutely can’t miss this opportunity.
Hawkmoth is getting a dangerous amount of information about Fu from Backwarder here. I’m increasingly starting to think that the first eventual Big Plot Development will be Hawkmoth finding Fu and either controlling him or taking some of the Miraculous or power-up potions from him.
Really, Gabriel? You couldn’t even skip your monologue on a public train?
I love that literally everyone who likes Marinette ships her and Adrien. It’s adorable.
Weredad: Listen. Gigantitan was a cute gimmick once, when it was an accident. And when Scarlet Moth showed up, there wasn’t any particular reason why he shouldn’t be re-akumatized. But what could possibly possess Gabriel Agreste to repeat the event? Gigantitan is almost completely incapable of stealing the Miraculous.
Anyway, skipping past the love square stalling nonsense…
Finally, an akuma who can grab the Miraculous when ordered.
Eh. I know it’s because I’m just so tired of the love square right now, but this episode did nothing for me.
Skipping Animaestro altogether. I’ve heard nothing good and the summary looks to back that up.
Bakerix: This really feels like it was supposed to come before Backwarder. Is the train they’re unveiling somehow not the one the Agrestes rode in that episode?
You know, normally any plot that involves the words “get them back together again” worries me, but I find I have unusually high hopes for this one. (Although the lying is not a great start…)
Marinette, you live in a bakery and you don’t tote bags of flour daily? Pfft. (Though with how huge her dad is…)
Granpda Dupain is seriously traditional. They’re really playing that up. Probably to distract from the otherwise-blatant racism metaphor of him disliking rice flour in the family bread.
Very cute ending! And see, we can have a nice emotional episode without using the love square!
Silencer: I debated whether or not to actually watch this, because Lukanette really doesn’t do much for me, but what the hell.
Wow, Bob Roth and XY are the scum of the earth.
I love the Kitty Section visuals. Armored death kitties is a flawless concept, without a doubt.
God, I love that Marinette sees this problem and her solution is just to go right to the top. I feel like being Ladybug has altered her sense of scale.
It’s astonishing that Bob Roth can look at his son’s costume and unironically call Kitty Section an inferior garage band.
I am not thrilled with the way that Luka gets more coherent and talks less about music when he gets angry. I don’t know why, but I don’t like it.
Huh. I didn’t think Silencer could be an effective villain with his powers, but cancelling her active powers isn’t a bad move.
Cat Noir’s reaction to Ladybug’s loss of speech is priceless. But boy, is he bad at charades.
...Shit, they really did make Silencer a scary villain. Nicely done.
Aww, Lukanette is cute. It’s too bad it’ll probably never get a fair shake.
Oblivio: Another one I’ve heard a lot about. Hell of a way to start the episode, that’s for sure.
Adrien and Marinette “introducing” themselves is goddamn adorable. Now this is my kind of love square content.
Ooooh, I love Oblivio’s design. Super blank and creepy.
Okay, question: Is the highlight sight thing magical or not? (Upon looking it up, it is apparently not. I think we can all be forgiven for the mistake, given how it always shows up.)
“SuPeR PeNgUiNo”
Worldbuilding-wise, I think the most interesting part of this episode is the fact that two people can be akumatized into one villain. There’s room for a particularly terrifying villain to be created in the future by combining Hawkmoth and Mayure...
Stormy Weather 2: I’ve heard a lot of shit about this episode, but I like the start so far? Let’s see where it goes.
Oh wait shit, is this a clip show? Yuck.
Did Stormy Weather just summon a God Damn Volcano? Holy shit.
This is frankly disappointing. It’s not the worst clip show episode I’ve ever seen, but I wish they’d chosen a different villain to make a reappearance.
Locker Stalker Adrien will never not be funny to me.
Oni-Chan: UGH, LILA. Alright, let’s do this. (Me, two minutes later: UGH, LILA.)
Is the skylight above Emilie Agreste’s coffin new? I don’t remember that being there. It’s weird that they have two separate underground lairs with skylights. How does no one notice that?
Adrien: “I don’t have any girlfriend. Plagg, claws out!” Plagg: Noooo there were so many things I wanted to say in response to that!
Huh. Oni-chan’s powers are a little underwhelming, but very interesting. And a reasonably interesting solution to fighting her, as well.
This is easily the cutest Adrigami has ever been. If they were always like this, I would ship them a lot more.
Lila and Gabriel teaming up is honestly fascinating. Each one of them thinks that they’re using the other, but Gabriel currently has the clear upper hand because he’s the only one who knows about Hawkmoth, which means he can play Lila from two different positions. But Lila has an advantage of her own in that she doesn’t care whether Gabriel or Hawkmoth is manipulating her, because she’s already getting what she wants out of the bargain-- power and influence.
Honestly, if it weren’t for the scenes where people inexplicably believe Lila’s more ridiculous lies, I would love her as a villain.
Miraculer: Yet another episode I’ve been looking forward to! I do love Chloe development.
Wooow. That’s a dark scheming side of Nathalie we haven’t seen before. I like it, but as always happens with Nathalie, I’m left wondering where her commitment to this plan comes from.
Ah, Marinette. So savage. So delightful.
Remember me talking in the last ep about people believing the most ridiculous things from Lila? Here we go again.
Mayura is using her power surprisingly freely all of a sudden. I thought the Miraculous was broken and it damaged Nathalie to use it? Hmm….
Okay, I hate to blame the victim, but for a professional lackey, Sabrina is terrible at figuring out what Chloe would want her to do, and worse at not saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
Chloe fighting off Hawkmoth is super badass, I love it. Only she could have the absolute HBIC confidence needed for something like that.
...Wow, I’m actually kind of starting to ship Sabrina/Chloe. Or possibly wanting Sabrina to get out of the relationship she’s in with Chloe…
Hawkmoth being the one to tell an akuma not to take a hero’s Miraculous? That’s new.
Dang, Miraculer is powerful. It’s almost hard to imagine a stronger akuma.
And Mayura vs. Queen Bee is everything it’s been chalked up to be, of course. I love it.
Damn, the sheer confidence in “I will always be Queen Bee”. Magnificent, utterly magnificent.
Timetagger: Poor Mr. Pigeon. Constantly transformed by Hawkmoth and equally often getting the stuffing beat out of him by Ladybug and Cat Noir.
Aaaw yeah Bunnix! Honestly I’ve already seen this episode, but there’s nothing about it I don’t want to watch again.
I really thought that “what if today’s the day we grow up” was going to be a lead-in to Ladybug using her powers twice in one transformation as a sign of growth. On a second watch, it’s really very disappointing to know that’s not the case. This episode would have been the perfect opportunity to showcase Ladybug and Cat Noir’s growth and give a visible, power-related symbol of that growth. Maybe it will serve as foreshadowing for their ability to do that by the end of the season…? We can only hope.
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Those Busted Lips We Take Back Home
Title: Chapter One - To My Favorite Liar
Summary: It's been years since Luka donned the Viperion suit, but Paris was in need of a real hero. At least that's what he told himself when he took back the Snake Miraculous. With Ladybug out of commission, Chat Noir being as useless as ever (in his opinion) and the cute Rat porter under his wing, it's up to him and him alone to save Paris for real this time.
also known as the one where Luka has a particular disdain for the Black Cat porter (who is actually useful and can hold his own), he knows that Marinette is the cutie behind the equally cute Mulmouse (Chat Noir knows that Ladybug is the cutie behind the equally cute Mulmouse) and he's only sticking around until Ladybug comes back and takes her rightful place as Paris' real hero.
Warnings: Aged-Up Character(s), Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Future Fic, lukadrinette, OT3, Dear lord save me from my Mulmouse/Viperion wet dream, this is why this fic is happening, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder - PTSD, Minor Character Death
Word Count: 1033
A/N: let me start by saying that i haven’t written anything in YEARS! anyway, this is going to be a chaptered fic with lots of angst and lots of longing gazes. on the flip side there’s going to be a lot of glaring so take that as you may.
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“No!” Luka said firmly. “I refuse do that again.” Memories of his last days as the Snake porter flooded his vision. A shudder ran through his entire body as the color red was once again embedded behind his eyelids. The vision of javelin piercing her body haunted his every dream. Even if it had been four years since that incident, it wouldn’t let him live.
He should have realized this was the reason this man had reached out to him after so long. He was an idiot to think that this was just two former friends catching up over tea. The recent string of dangerous and deadly akuma’s should have tipped him off, but no. He wanted to see his old Master. He also wanted to see Sass, but not like this.
He saw Master Fu sigh, the jewelry box containing the bangle extended towards him. “I would not have asked you if the situation wasn’t dire Luka.” Deep down, the blue haired boy knew this to be true, but just thinking about becoming the hero that let her die made him sick to his stomach. “The Snake Miraculous is needed once again, and I could not think of a greater porter than its original owner. Paris needs someone who knows what he’s doing.”
Luka scoffed at that, he knew there was a reason he was asking him and not finding someone who would be more willing. He was sure he was more than clear about his stance on donning the costume last time they spoke. “Is that the same thing you told Agreste when you handed him the Black Cat miraculous again?” He snarled, turning away from the elderly man. “I thought the coward ran away to London after he murderer her,” he sneered to himself. “I bet the cretin jumped at the opportunity to be hailed as a hero once again without me dulling his shine.” His was feeling hysterical as he remembered the look of the new Ladybug on The Liberty. “And where did you find another Ladybug that looks exactly like her ?” He demanded than asked, “She looks like Bridgette!”
He felt a pair of hands resting on his shoulders, calming him, if only slightly. “Chat Noir isn’t who you think he is.”
“Don’t lie to me Wang!” Luka warned. “That’s Felix Agreste under the Chat Noir mask again!” He shoved the hands off of him to turn to look at him and point an accusatory finger at. “It has to be! There’s no way in hell you found another blonde, pompous jerk who willingly puts himself in the line of danger to prove that Ladybug would do anything for him.” Luka was very clearly becoming furious. This was something he had been thinking about for a long time now. “He let her die to prove a point! It was his fault she died! He killed her!”
He felt, more so than heard the sharp intake of breath from the elderly Guardian. “You can’t actually believe he’d be capable…”
“He didn’t deserve the ring!” Luka interrupted. “He didn’t deserve to be a hero! He didn’t deserve her love!”
The pity was evident in Fu’s eyes and Luka couldn’t take it. He took a deep breath to calm himself and made his way towards the door. “I was serious when I told you I was never going to do this again. I can’t. Not with this Ladybug looking exactly like Bridgette. And never again with Felix Agreste .” He spat the name out, it tasted like venom on his lips.
“Please Luka!” Master Fu begged, grabbing onto the young man’s wrist. “The Ladybug Miraculous is damaged and Paris needs a hero who knows his way around his Miraculous.”
Luka’s heart nearly stopped. A damaged Miraculous always meant the person wearing it was in danger. He paused, not turning back to his Master, he just needed to be sure. “Is she okay?”
He heard the smile in the old man’s voice as he told him, “The porter is fine, she just needs to rest for a bit.”
“Who’s going to purify the akumas,” he asked, begrudgingly knowing there was no real option. He would have to take on the suit again.
Luka turned at Master Fu’s heavy sigh and watched the elderly man walk over and heavily plop down on his chair. “We found a way for Chat Noir to purify akumas…”
There was a but coming, the elder hadn’t said it, but Luka heard it as clear as day.
“But it comes at a painful price for Chat Noir.”
“Who isn’t Felix Agreste,” Luka huffed. It pained him to know that someone else was suffering in the name of Paris, even if it was the imbecile Black Cat.
“There’s more you need to know,” Master Fu told him as he reached for the jewelry box. That caused him to pause, his hand hovering over what he wanted. “Hawkmoth translated the Grimoire.”
His knees buckled under him, almost causing him to fall. “I thought that was lost,” his voice barely audible to himself over the blood rushing in his ears. He could have been screaming for all he knew, but he really had no choice in this matter. Without another thought, he took the box out of Master Fu’s hands and opened it to reveal his bangle and his Kwami.
It seemed as if that statement aged the Guardian another hundred years. “It was lost,” he said. “But it turned up again.”
Luka felt as though he was pulling teeth trying to get answers out of the older man. He didn’t say anything as he slid the bangle in place on his wrist.
“Gabriel Agreste had it hidden away.”
“Of course it had to be another Agreste,” Luka hissed, already feeling the energy of Sass filling him. “As if Felix Agreste wasn’t enough of a supervillain for his entire family, his father just had to be Hawkmoth!” The young man paced in circles as more and more thoughts plagued his head. “The apple really doesn’t fall far from the tree.” One thought fired after another, only letting him speak the most defined ones. One thought in particular caused him to come to a halt.
“What about Adrien?”
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17. 6. 27. 7. *gets comfy*🍷
Girl get ready
17. Instead of XYZ happening I would have made ABC happen.
So I kind of post a lot of my fix it fic ideas either here or in discord (I literally just posted one this morning lol) but I think in Frozer instead of Kagami telling Marinette that she never hesitates she should have said something along the lines of "If you want Adrien to notice you then be more confident in yourself" because I think that can come off as less "rude" and honestly I think that girls fighting over a boy is a tired trope. Give me girls supporting each other and building each other up. Sick of all this love dodecahedron drama. If the boys can get along, why can't the girls?
6. Is there a pairing that I used to hate that I enjoy now?
Wellllll, so initially I didn't like Ch//lo//nette at all like it made me physically uncomfortable to see, but at the time I followed a few blogs that loved Chloe and the ship and a lot of people were talking about it, and I was currently writing a Chloe redemption in Lady du Coeur where I was starting to like her more and the friendship that she and Marinette were building, so I decided to try my hand at writing it to see if I could set it up in a way that made it seem less icky to me. And I did. I wrote To Tame a Queen, and I wrote a couple other drabbles for them but then had a falling out with someone I was loose fandom friends with who loved that ship and kind of started associating that ship with that person and how they made me feel, so now I'm kind of back to square one where it makes me uncomfortable again but for a different reason. It's the reason I've never written a continuation of that story like I said I would and why I was turned off to Chloe's character for a bit. Canon didnt help much in s2 either. So I guess the short answer is no lol but you didn't come here for the short answers. ;) Most other ships that I don't like, I still don't like lol. Not much has changed on that front. That was kind of the only one.
27. Least shippable character?
Probably Gabriel Agreste. Canon lately has made me like Gabethalie, Gabenath? Nathriel? Less because one of the things I liked about the ship was that Emilie was lost and Nathalie cares about both him and Adrien and helps him move on, but then canon happened so now I don't care. I barely even ship him with his own wife tbh. Though I do think that he and Audrey deserve each other. They should just move to NY together and let Gorilla adopt Adrien. At least then he could see his friends.
7. Oh fuck what was this question? I'm on mobile so I just write down kind of the gist of the question but my note isnt specific hang on brb dont reblog this yet shhhh
Is there anything I used to like that I can't stand now?
Ummm, this one is tricky because a lot of the things that I have changed my opinion on are either I didn't like it and now I do or I didn't consider it and now I do or in the case mentioned above I didn't like it then I liked it and now I don't like it again.
I feel like most of the things that I can't stand about this show have to do with bad writing or the fandom, and even then I would say that "can't stand" is kind of too harsh for how I feel.
Like I love Adrien and the love square. Catch me drooling over Adrinette and Ladrien all day long, but I am a little aggravated with how he has been portrayed in canon at times namely in Glaciator and Frozer when he pouts about Ladybug. Like I can understand being upset about the person you love not liking you back, but just the whole set up both times and how he behaves like Ladybug is in the wrong for not loving him just screams entitled "nice guy" and I can't stand that for his character. Especially because it's never corrected. If Adrien is supposed to be this perfect example to young boys then that behavior should be painted as wrong because that is behavior that women are actively trying to fight in men nowadays. And for the writers to set it up as "oh boo hoo poor baby gets no love" just perpetuates that mindset that men are entitled to a women's affection if they're "nice" and that if women don't give them affection for being nice then they are in the wrong and being unfair. I do still love Adrien. I love writing him, but that's because I allow him to make mistakes and get called out and learn from them. I let him be imperfect and flawed and human. I just wish that canon would do the same.
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