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I’m so fucking tired of this stupid fucking resurgence of people arguing that misandry is real or a coherent form of oppression at all so I wanna address this more directly. Most of the arguments I’ve seen rely on the fact that men are harmed and constrained by the patriarchy, and you know what, that’s true!

But cis people are harmed and constrained by the existence of the gender binary. That doesn’t mean that cisphobia is real. Straight people are harmed and constrained by heteronormativity, but that doesn’t make heterophobia real.

I really thought this stuff was obvious but I guess it isn’t. I need all of you who are complaining about “misandry” to understand that you sound like the down with cis bus post

Hey, just ran across one of your posts. At the beginning I was startled. Couldn't understand how a transandrophobic post got on my Tumblr. Then I looked in to more of your posts, and the description of your blog.

I wanted to make sure I understand your blog. You find transandrophobic posts, and post images of them? I assume so others don't need to interact with them?

These are genuine questions. Thanks!

More or less.

Specifically, it's to archive all kinds of bigotry from the original incarnation of what was known as the "Baeddel Crew", or just simply the "baeddels". This blog is primarily for people who just weren't around when the Baeddel Crew was still active, and thus were unaware of just how awful their ideology was.

Basically, the Baeddel Crew were a group of radical feminist trans women formed in late 2013. They took all trappings of TERF ideology (all men are rapists, trans women are just men pretending to be women so they can assault cis women, etc.) and flipped it to be about trans people instead (eg: all trans men are rapists, afab non-binary people are just trans men pretending to be trans women to assault trans women, etc.). The group fractured in 2015 after who was essentially their leader raped her girlfriend.

In 2021 there was a baeddel resurgence. A new extraneous group of radical feminist poisoned trans women were taking on "baeddel" URLs, venerating the original Baeddel Crew, and posting radscummy takes. Of course, people talked about this and talked about how horrible the original crop of baeddels were.

One of the people talking about this was [redacted]. Someone had sent him an anon ask complaining how everyone always ignore the harm the baeddels did to non-binary people. [redacted] asked for anon to clarify, but anon never did, so I took it upon myself to answer his question. I started to draft an ask detailing how the baeddels treated non-binary people, and while doing so I searched old baeddel blogs to corroborate my memories, and also to grab screenshots in case he asked for some. [redacted] never did ask for them, but I didn't just want to delete all the screenshots I took, so I created this blog to post them to. Things just kind of exploded from there.

what does 'transmasc' mean?

this resurgence of the 'border wars' (trans men v butch lesbians then, trans men v transmasc now) makes me wonder, "what does 'transmasc' even mean?"

the short answer is that transmasc is a term more inclusive that trans men since it includes:

some non-binary people

some gender non-conforming women who don't refer to themselves as trans or non-binary etc etc

but which nb ppl ? which gnc women?

so, is there a way to precise the definition without gender essentialism? no, there isn't.

assuming that transmasc people are more androgynous than trans men is exorsexist

assuming that trans men medically while transmasc don't is transmedicalist

assuming that transmasc means afab is intersexist

maybe we're trying to find an essence where there's none (Wittgenstein has entered the chat). let's look at the problem from another angle: why did we coin the word 'transmasc' to begin with? why did we invent the "inclusive version of 'trans man'"?

in her work, Julia Serano makes a great distinction between transphobia (i.e. repression of any 'gender deviance') and cissexism (i.e. deprecation of trans genders seen as none authentic compared to cis genders). thanks to this distinction, we realise that people who don't refer to themselves as trans can experience transphobia. in the same vein, people theorising about transandrophobia realised that, even if they put trans men in the heart of their thinking transandrophobia does not affect trans men exclusively.

that's why, i come to the conclusion than the word 'trans masc' is not supposed to describe a shared identity but is more of a political call to solidarity between marginalised people who share common struggles

There has been a weird resurgence recently of binary trans people saying nonbinary people aren't trans/don't transition. Ik internalised transphobia comes from self hatred but goddd shut up

I continue being amazed just how much of an effect starting hrt had on my sexuality. I used to think I was attracted to guys and masc-presenting people, but sike! My crushes on guys were 90% my debilitating dysphoria going gotta be one of my favorite genders, that.

I've been on T for 1.5 years, and in that time I've done something of a 180; I get weak in the knees for femmes and feminine people. I have zero wish to be feminine myself, but....girls pretty......

This has been (and keeps being) an interesting journey. I very much identify as "just some guy" but I can't deny feeling a massive kinship with butches and he/him lesbians. I present fairly binary in my irl life just for safety reasons, but everything about how I experience attraction, gender, and sexuality is profoundly queer.

This also goes to show how sometimes you won't know everything about yourself before the blaring alarm of dysphoria is finally addressed and silenced. I just want to give a shout-out to everyone who thought they were flavor A, only to later change their mind. Having the headspace to figure this stuff out is priceless. Obviously most people probably know their sexuality before transition, but I just want to reiterate that it's okay if you don't. Seems like I didn't.

Before life settled down, these kinds of odd and even contradictory vibes would have made me anxious. I would have felt like I have to pick one and own it a 100%. Now I'm just...kind of content to sit with these ideas. Maybe one will grow bigger than the others. Maybe not. All this comes before I even touch the fact that I'm some flavor of aroace. :D

I've become more private in recent years but maybe sharing this insight will help someone. I'm 31, which isn't that old, but I know I would have needed examples of older (not old, lmao) folks transitioning. Especially with the recent resurgence of TERF bullshit and hate against trans guys and transmasc people, I feel it's important to show that the people behind online handles are both more complicated than you'd think AND that they're still. Just some guy.

Peace, and happy pride month. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

im down on my knees like thank you god for the simon petrigrof resurgence because im not 17 anymore and can finally understand why (non binary) i (lesbian) relate (autism) to (cringefail) this (malewife) dude (wifeguy)

Coming back to this topic to hopefully be clearer about it-

There is a valid complaint to be had about binary trans people who are exorsexist. It isn't acceptable from anyone and it is important to guard against letting exorsexism run rampant in the community.

Lately, I have been seeing a lot of posts made in anxiety about trans men expressing that they have felt pressured to identify as nonbinary by people who found their manhood unpalatable. The posts are anxious that trans men talking about this will cause exorsexists to have an excuse to be more exorsexist.

But as I've said before- this becomes dangerously close to policing what problems trans men can and cannot talk about *just in case* assholes try to co opt that to be exorsexist.

The reason I'd like to draw attention to this is that I haven't seen anyone direct this at trans women. Just trans men. This is interesting as it seems to me that this focus on binary trans people being a problem and only mentioning trans men could be subconscious bias or distrust of trans men. I've seem it suggested that transmeds would be the assholes co opting good faith trans men's discussion of being pressured to identify as nonbinary instead of as men.

Transmeds are majority trans men, but not exclusively. I've been harassed by transmed trans women before. But the focus seems laser focused on hypothetical transmeds who are trans men co opting other trans men's experiences. Why?

Some trans women face pressure to identify as nonbinary instead of as women too, but their experiences don't seem to be being interpreted as catalysts for exorsexist resurgence. So why are trans men's and trans men's alone?

I think, personally, transandrophobic rhetoric buries itself deeper in the mind than is known. Everyone has transandrophobia to unlearn and I think this scaremongering against trans men talking about being pressured to be nonbinary is rooted, in part, in an unconscious distrust of binary trans men. If it was a distrust of binary trans people in general, it would be more general. But it isn't, and we have to question why.

I'm not angry at people who have worried about this. I completely understand why- given how unchecked exorsexism should not be allowed to run rampant in the community. But treating trans men as if we are uniquely predisposed to accidentally triggering resurgences of exorsexism borders on transandrophobia.

Thoughts welcome and kind discussion wanted

one of our bigger pet peeves: "shi/hir pronouns are intersex exclusive!"

they are not. not only are the commonly-stated claims of "it was coined by intersex people" outright false (and any attempts to back these claims usually just link to old tumblr posts from known bad-faith users), but this completely ignores that these pronouns date back to the usenet days, and directly originate from sie/hir, a set of pronouns that we frequently see people propose as an alternative to shi/hir.

sie/hir pronouns in particular are quite notable, as their use was semi-common as an all-gender-encompassing set of pronouns on usenet prior to september 1993 (that date carrying significance due to being when usenet hit the mainstream as a result of internet providers opting to offer free usenet access). sie/hir pronouns also have a bit of historic basis prior to usenet, with the sacramento bee having coined it in the 1920's as a gender-neutral set of pronouns.

shi/hir pronouns were only regularly seen in one general circle of usenet: furry and furry-adjacent groups (such what drew a lot of furries to usenet to begin with, alt.fan.furry, or one of the first major otherkin communities, alt.fan.dragons). prior to the creation of alt.fan.furry, "shi" pronouns were generally only used accidentally, as an attempt to extrapolate "hir" to a nominative form (with the logic usually being "well, 'hir' sounds a lot like 'her', so that probably means the equivalent of 'she' is 'shi'"). given the general rarity of nominative use of gender-neutral pronouns, it was incredibly common for users to simply not know what the nominative form of "hir" was supposed to be. and thus, quite a few openly non-binary users ended up identifying with shi/hir as their preferred pronouns (all the way back in the 1990's, mind you!). and since the population of alt.fan.furry and adjacent groups were largely users new to usenet as a whole, shi/hir ended up taking off as the nonbinary pronoun set within the furry community.

so the thing about the early furry community is that the demographics of the nonbinary population at the time were, by and large, bigender (by today's definitions, at least). however, "bigender" simply wasn't a term in the community's collective vocabulary at the time, and thus self-identifying users usually opted to self-identify as hermaphrodites. however, the point of confusion stems from communities outside of alt.fan.furry, in which it was common for the concept of a bigender person to instead be labelled intersex regardless of whether or not they actually are intersex, with the term being falsely believed to be politically correct. it was quite common for self-identifying herms to (rightfully) take offense to being called intersex, and for intersex users to (also rightfully) be vocal that hermaphroditism and intersex are separate concepts. but as the eternal september began, and the number of users who were neither intersex nor hermaphrodites skyrocketed, the voices of both demographics were quickly drowned out outside of the most obscure groups. this ended up extending past usenet, with sites like furaffinity ending up opting for "intersex" as the primary way to describe the concept of bigender, and both intersex folks and self-identifying herms being met with immediate hostility for merely suggesting that these terms describe completely different concepts. however, despite "herm" being pushed out of the community's vocabulary, shi/hir remained, and ended up staying the primary way to describe """intersex""" characters in the furry community well into the late 2010's, even as self-identifying herms and actual intersex folks were pushed into the shadows of the furry community. it wasn't until nonbinary identities started experiencing a resurgence that shi/hir pronouns began dropping in use.

given that usenet rarely shows up in searches (search engines deliberately deprioritize results marked with old dates), and google's usenet archive's search feature is barely functional (searching in a group won't show you results before 2000, and searching all groups disables most advanced search features), it's much easier said than done to actually find these discussions and discourse in any way other than sitting down and trawling the archive yourself, thread by thread. it also doesn't help at all that linking tends to be incredibly unreliable, with google groups being quite unreliable at showing posts if you didn't navigate to a thread naturally (this is especially egregious with searches; it's quite common to end up clicking a search result only to not find the post that put the thread in the results). as such, this has lead to the wider public being genuinely unaware of any part of the LGBTQIA+ community's and furry community's history on usenet, as a result of usenet's sheer obscurity, and the only actual archive being immensely headache-inducing to browse. this has made it incredibly easy for bad-faith actors to simply ignore usenet's existence, allowing for ahistoric claims like "shi/hir pronouns are intersex exclusive" and "shi/hir was coined by intersex people" to end up spreading way beyond what's reasonable, as most folks genuinely don't know that the story of those pronouns starts decades before furaffinity (which quite a few folks cite as the pronoun set's origins) even existed.

the main takeaway of this monolith of text? if someone is exhibiting cop behavior when it comes to other people's identities, please be skeptical of that, as it's quite common for identity-policing to rely heavily on ignoring history, deliberately or not, as shi/hir pronouns are an excellent example of

Been thinking a lot about. My au and Sun especially. Hes so swagless

I know I'm probably going to regret opening this can of worms again, but I've been seeing a resurgence of discourse about and by ex-Xtian atheists re: the term "culturally Xtian" and also about the shitty behavior that a lot of folks (primarily other Jews) have experienced from this demographic, and I have some additional thoughts about it. Mostly frustration because I feel like these groups have polarized against each other when that's not at all necessary.

1) While I still use it as a shorthand personally and have not yet come up with or seen a proposed alternative that is better, I still don't think "culturally Xtian" is the most helpful adjective here. It is descriptive but inflammatory, and frequently misses the real, underlying problem here, which is the antisemitism absorbed from Xtian teachings, rather than the residual cultural background. I would love to see an alternative that meant and clearly conveyed "exvangelical/ex-Xtian atheist who still has some deconverting to do around antisemitic and/or colonialist ideas" - but less of a mouthful.

2) There are definitely moments where someone's atheism is relevant to the conversation (e.g. - the whole "I hate all religions equally" shit, or its more moderate cousin, criticizing "religion" for things that are specifically done only by certain Xtians) in that the other person has brought it into the conversation and used their atheism as an excuse to be antisemitic. Atheists need to understand that if you are using your identity as an atheist to be an asshole, people are going to comment on you as an atheist. If it takes the form of you making assumptions about all religions based on your upbringing as a Catholic (or evangelical, or JW, or Mormon, or whatever), your background is fair game for people to discuss as well, because YOU put it into issue.

3) However, I have *also* seen ex-Xtian atheists be called out for antisemitism that is, frankly, indistinguishable from anyone else's antisemitism and not at all tied to their positionality as an atheist. Additionally, even in situations where they are using their atheism as an excuse, I have seen folks bring down the "culturally Xtian" hammer without (a) knowing the person's actual background and (b) without the person having claimed any specific personal knowledge due to their background. This is really Not Great, because it attacks people for a marginalized identity* and/or a background that they may or may not have and in any event, cannot change. This also loses us credibility when we are making the points in #2 where these things are connected and in issue. (*We can quibble over exactly how marginalized atheists are, but that they are marginalized as compared with Xtians in the US is an inarguable fact.)

4) I'd still love to see a little more patience and empathy from folks who are actively trying to change minds, and more willingness to just disengage rather than continuing to yell ineffectually from folks who are just pissed off and have no intent on educating.

5) Something new I realized while pondering this recently, is that I think one of the other traps that I see atheist discourse fall into is talking about religion versus atheism in a binary way, as if "the religious" or even "organized religion" was a coherent class. I will probably make a separate post on this, tbh, because it deserves a little more explanation.

Ngl it rly sucks seeing a resurgence in people being extremely shitty about neopronouns & doing the whole "you're why people are transphobic" crap again.

Like sure, it never really left, but it had died down for a while & now it's popular again to be shitty to nonbinary ppl over our pronouns.

Not to mention how crappy it is to most trans people, even binary trans people, who aren't native English speakers & want to reflect that by putting their pronouns from their native language in their bios & stuff.

Like just fucking mind your business.

I'm hesitant to say this, since I've heard people get dogpiled for it, but has anyone else felt like Baeddelism's ideas are starting to seep into mainstream trans ideas to an alarming degree? "Theyfab", the TMA/TME binary as an end all be all, "transmisandry isn't real", "TERFS only target transfems", etc.

I was first out and in the community a year or two after Baeddelism first came about, and it really worries me that the ideals seem to be having an unchallenged resurgence, and how a lot of more newly out trans people don't seem to have even heard of it, or all the damage it did. And I'm not just talking about the damage to transmascs, nonbinary people, and intersex people, it also harmed so many transfems, and shielded abusers while creating an environment ripe for them to continue hurting people, not to mention its inherent racism.

I don't think I'm just being paranoid. It's extremely concerning, especially in a time like this where if we don't stand together, we're essentially all fucked. Not that unity wasn't important nine years ago, but from my memory, we weren't nearly this close to genocide.

It's possible it's not as bad here as I've seen on Twitter, TikTok, etc, since I know lessep 2.0 never got as far here as it did on sites with more very young people and people who are very new to the community, but I can't be the only one who's noticed it.

What does baeddel mean? I googled it and the first results said that it was a derogatory term for effeminate men. I was just wondering if there’s some other meaning of the term? Or is that the meaning that you’re using

The Baeddel Crew™ were a group of friends in the early-mid 2010s who were trans lesbian separatist radical feminists. They basically took TERF ideology and applied it to a trans framework. So, “males (trans women) are invading women’s spaces” became “trans men and AFAB non-binary people are invading women’s spaces”, like that sort of thing.

Nowadays, “baeddel(ism)” more broadly refers to any kind of trans radical feminist & the ideology, regardless of their connection to the original baeddel crew. This is because somewhat recently there was a resurgent of people self-identifying as baeddels spreading trans radical feminism.

That said, on this blog, I’m using it specifically to refer to the original Baeddel Crew™.

@nothorses has some more in-depth posts about them linked in his pinned.