you ever read a post where nothing is said explicitly & it makes generally good points but you can smell the "weird about transandrophobia" scent in the wind

not to be sincere on the horny blog but i think the reason so many queer masc afabs and transmascs like forcemasc content is because it feels like being finally listened to.

like we go through life getting told we’re just confused girls, or we’ll never be man enough, or we probably just didn’t want to be like mommy, or it’s because we’re mentally ill, or a host of other invalidations.

and then we read a post that’s about someone who wants to see us being more masculine —who sees it as a good thing. who says “just take the testosterone. this what you really want, isn’t it?”

and we say, Yes. Yes, it is what I want. Thank you for listening to me.

It's insane how actually talking about the real transphobic violence that trans men face will get people in this Webbed Site to call you transphobic. None of you live in the real fucking world. None of you have ever talked to trans people. Jesus Christ, leave transmascs and trans men alone.

the idea that restrooms, locker rooms, etc need to be single-sex spaces in order for women to be safe is patriarchy's way of signalling to men & boys that society doesn't expect them to behave themselves around women. it is directly antifeminist. it would be antifeminist even if trans people did not exist. a feminist society would demand that women should be safe in all spaces even when there are men there.

that's exactly what happened in France. @luckynein

the right to abortion has been enshrined in the Constitution, recently which is supposed to be good news, but the law is poorly written. the text is about 'liberty' for 'women' to have an abortion. so, no responsibility of the state if abortion is not effectively accessible (e.g. one can refuse to perform an abortion by invoking the conscience clause of the Veil law guaranteed by freedom of conscience) and the non-inclusive wording can lead to legal limbo if you're a trans or non-binary person who changed their gender legally.

as soon as the bill was introduced by Senator Mélanie Vogel, the anti-trans activists Dora Moutot and Marguerite Stern lobbied then MP and now minister Aurore Bergé who came up with the non-inclusive wording.

Merci @auroreberge de nous avoir reçu avec @doramoutot. Merci pour votre écoute attentive et votre compréhension. Très sincèrement. pic.twitter.com/U6t9exLDva

— Marguerite Stern (@Margueritestern) August 30, 2022

that's why this 'historical victory' feels bittersweet. the French Left (from The Ecologists (cf Mélanie Vogel) to La France Insoumise (cf Mathilde Panot)) has abandoned trans people in the name of 'compromise' and all the cis leftists were partying without us between the 4th and the 8th of March 2024.

Continues to be true.

Remember when people got mad at me when I said “if you can’t even name 10 trans men activists from the 1980s-2010s I don’t think any of your takes about trans men and our experiences have any value imo. Especially if you aren’t a trans man.” And then people got mad at me?? Like damn sorry I expect people to know a little history before they talk about a group of people .

I am going to get so much fucking hate for this but as an ethnically East Asian (Chinese, but born in and lives in the US) trans man, I feel like my ethnicity and gender intersect in two different ways that no one either cares about or knows about

Forced feminization

Hyperinvisibility

In detail:

Forced feminization

From anime characters to K-pop idols, so many East Asian men seem to be regarded as feminine either for their dress or mannerisms with absolutely no consideration of how different cultures might display masculinity. Granted, I've been guilty of this too in the past, due to being born and raised in a western country, but I'm trying to be better about it. Like. Asian guys are not your "shy uwu Kpop idols" or "cute gay coded anime characters". Also: the "small Asian dick" jokes. Goddamn.

I feel like I shouldn't have to explain how this goes double for Asian trans men like me who want to present as masculine in a gender conforming way. But since this is Tumblr dot fucking com, I'm gonna have to. I feel like I have to work twice as hard to be seen as masculine as anyone who isn't Asian and/or is a cis guy because of not only the paragraph above but because of the parts I was born with. Seriously I did not spend years escaping femininity just to have randos insist I stay with it from multiple angles.

Hyperinvisibility

This is probably where people are going to come into my notes and inbox with pitchforks telling me shit like "kys" or throwing slurs but you know what. Fuck it.

I understand why the term BIPOC came to be. Black people, indigenous people, and people with otherwise darker skin tones do experience higher rates of discrimination than other races/skin tones/ethnicities. I would not have a problem with it if people did not use BIPOC when they meant POC in general. Oftentimes I will see marginalized groups listed as BIPOC, LGBT+ people, disabled people, etc. but the only reference to race is BIPOC.

Now maybe I'm misunderstanding but the last time I checked, BIPOC stood for "black and indigenous people of color" not "black, indigenous, and other people of color". I'm not saying "don't use this term ever" or "this is always a bad term to use", there are definitely times where the term BIPOC is useful. But it should not be used as a general term for all POC, because not all POC are black or indigenous. Leaving Asian (all kinds of Asian, not just east Asian) POC out of your discussions about race is racist, even if we don't experience racism the same way as BIPOC.

As for the transmasc angle: transandrophobia does exist. We are being killed. We are being raped. We are being forcibly impregnated and detransitioned. And nobody is giving a fuck. We aren't even acknowledged as trans men, we're labeled in statistics as "women". And when we try to talk about it we're called either "confused little girls" or "(trans)misogynistic MRAs".

TLDR: I DON'T FUCKING KNOW HOW TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT HYPERINVISIBILITY IS NOT A PRIVILEGE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE IT THROUGH BOTH YOUR RACE AND GENDER

I'm a little tired, so I'm not sure if this is articulated properly. But the way that people who call trans men who talk about transandrophobia/anti-transmasculinity/transmisandry/etc "MRAs" makes me angry in a way words cannot describe. (The phrase [T]MRAs makes me even angrier! Like yes, I am a trans men's rights activist. There are people in the government trying to take our rights away, for christ's sake!)

Ask any "real" MRA how they feel about trans men. Listen to the pure hate that will likely come from their mouth.

Do you really think a (cisgender) man who thinks he's oppressed for not getting to have sex with women is comparable in any way to a trans man talking about his oppression in a transphobic society?

the article is no longer available !! so here's a link to the archived page

Trans men face deep isolation in Pakistan. The country, with a conservative Muslim majority, has entrenched beliefs on gender and sexuality, so trans people are often considered outcasts. But trans women have a degree of toleration because of cultural traditions. Trans women in public office, on news programs, in TV shows and films, even on the catwalk, have raised awareness about a marginalized and misunderstood community. The Pakistani movie and Oscar contender “Joyland” caused an uproar last year for its depiction of a relationship between a married man and a trans woman, but it also shone a spotlight on the country’s transgender community. Trans men, however, remain largely invisible, with little mobilization, support or resources. Trans women have growing activist networks — but, according to Aman and others, they rarely incorporate or deal with trans men and their difficulties. “It’s the worst,” said Aman. “We are already disowned by our families and blood relatives, then the people we think are our people also exclude us.” Trans women have been able to carve out their space in the culture because of the historic tradition of “khawaja sira,” originally a term for male eunuchs working in South Asia’s Mughal empire hundreds of years ago. Today, the term is generally associated with people who were born male and identify as female. Khawaja sira culture also has a traditional support system of “gurus,” prominent figures who lead others. But there is no space within the term or the culture surrounding it for people who were born female and identify as male. “Every khawaja sira is transgender, but not all transgenders are khawaja sira,” said Mani, a representative for the trans male community in Pakistan. “People have been aware of the khawaja sira community for a long time, but not of trans men.” He set up a nonprofit group in 2018 because he saw nothing being done for trans men, their well-being or mental health. Trans people have seen some progress in protecting their rights. Supreme Court rulings allow them to self-identify as a third gender, neither male nor female, and have underscored they have the same rights as all Pakistani citizens. Although Mani was involved in the trans rights bill, most lobbying and advocacy work has been from transgender women since it became law. “Nobody talks about trans men or how they are impacted by the act,” said Mani. "But this is not the right time to talk about this because of the campaign by religious extremists (to veto changes to the act). I don’t want to cause any harm to the community.” Another reason for trans men’s low visibility is that females lead a more restricted life than males in Pakistan, with limits on what they can do, where they can go and how they can live. Family honor is tied to the behavior of women and girls, so they have less room to behave outside society’s norms. On a practical level, even if a girl wanted to meet trans people and get involved in the community, she wouldn’t be able to because she wouldn’t be allowed out, said Aman.

Transandrophobic trans guys really think of themselves as isolated whistleblowers, alone against the transmasculine macho world.

In reality, pick-me trans guys is a trans cliché as popular as the trans gymbro, the former lesbian or the Cavetown-like ukulele sad boy.

They convince themselves they're isolated specifically because they reject the company of other trans men this creating a self fulfilling prophecy 💀

Transandrophobic trans guys really think of themselves as isolated whistleblowers, alone against the transmasculine macho world.

In reality, pick-me trans guys is a trans cliché as popular as the trans gymbro, the former lesbian or the Cavetown-like ukulele sad boy.

They convince themselves they're isolated specifically because they reject the company of other trans men this creating a self fulfilling prophecy 💀

what does 'transmasc' mean?

this resurgence of the 'border wars' (trans men v butch lesbians then, trans men v transmasc now) makes me wonder, "what does 'transmasc' even mean?"

the short answer is that transmasc is a term more inclusive that trans men since it includes:

some non-binary people

some gender non-conforming women who don't refer to themselves as trans or non-binary etc etc

but which nb ppl ? which gnc women?

so, is there a way to precise the definition without gender essentialism? no, there isn't.

assuming that transmasc people are more androgynous than trans men is exorsexist

assuming that trans men medically while transmasc don't is transmedicalist

assuming that transmasc means afab is intersexist

maybe we're trying to find an essence where there's none (Wittgenstein has entered the chat). let's look at the problem from another angle: why did we coin the word 'transmasc' to begin with? why did we invent the "inclusive version of 'trans man'"?

in her work, Julia Serano makes a great distinction between transphobia (i.e. repression of any 'gender deviance') and cissexism (i.e. deprecation of trans genders seen as none authentic compared to cis genders). thanks to this distinction, we realise that people who don't refer to themselves as trans can experience transphobia. in the same vein, people theorising about transandrophobia realised that, even if they put trans men in the heart of their thinking transandrophobia does not affect trans men exclusively.

that's why, i come to the conclusion than the word 'trans masc' is not supposed to describe a shared identity but is more of a political call to solidarity between marginalised people who share common struggles

to the point it's used to mock any afab you don't like including very unambiguously masculine trans man who exclusively use he/him

in general, 4channers poisoning the well (ie all social medias) with their bigotry is what they do best and the online trans community is not safe

It’s very strange seeing people use ‘theyfab’ as a ‘progressive’ and ‘okay’ term. Like damn. Transmeds and 4channers have been using that word for years to describe ‘cis women who pretend to be nonbinary to be quirky’

“boypussy” “coinslot” WRONG. that’s your man cave

It always shocks me when I bring up trans men’s issues - specially issues common in the south/more conservative/rural areas - to someone who makes their whole thing being a ‘trans advocate’ and they just don’t know what I’m talking about .

I mentioned how common it is - especially in more conservative Christian places - for trans men to be set up with a husband by their family and then be forcibly impregnated as a way to make them detransition to someone who runs a whole blog about ‘spreading awareness about trans issues’ and she looked at me like I was crazy and said “woah I never knew that happened to trans men.”

She knew about and understood that that stuff happens to cis women, but she never thought it happened to trans men… like come on.

@shadowflayeronlyfanz2 you can also read "Female Masculinity" by Jack Halberstam

- "Self-Made Men: Identity and Embodiment among Transsexual Men" by Henry Rubin

- "Female Husbands" by Jen Mansion

- "Butch/femme: Inside Lesbian Gender" by Sally Munt

In fiction there's also "Love Sees No Gender" in "No Mercy" (2000) by Pat Califa specifically a trans man who once identified as a lesbian

In conclusion that's not because you don't care about something that it doesn't exist

its insane to me that society is so obsessed with men that some men are trying to worm their way into the term LESBIAN and people are LETTING THEM

(this post is NOT about trans women. trans women are valid and wonderful. this post is about trans male "lesbians" and "lesboys.")

to add insult to injury they ALWAYS deprecate transmasc communities as hangouts for misogynistic macho men because they're not like other boys m, they're one of the "good ones tm". those types of essays are always a vanity project

i hate nothing more than transmasc pick-mes who compare other transmasc speaking about their oppression to 'men yelling at women'. if you're not capable of basic solidarity, you don't deserve to have a community. go fuck yourself!