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breithenua · 7 months

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I'm convinced that Orochimaru knew the truth of the Uchiha massacre and just didn't tell Sasuke because Sasuke's hatred of Itachi helped motivate Sasuke to stay by his side long enough for him to take over Sasuke's body.

Like seriously, Orochimaru was deeply connected to Danzo in the past, was a member of Root, gave Danzo that Hashirama cell arm (that formerly belonged to Shin "Uchiha"), he had significant espionage skills of his own, his own information network as the head of his own Ninja village (the Sound village), and he had Kabuto in his employ, someone that was also an incredible spy and former member of Root. The likelihood that he didn't know or at least have some sort of inkling is a lot lower than you'd think.

"But if Orochimaru told him the truth, Sasuke would just want to destroy the Leaf sooner!"

Think about when it was that Sasuke was told the truth. It was right after he finally succeeded in his years long mission to kill Itachi. He found out that the reason he killed Itachi was a lie all along, after it was too late. Imagine how the fuck that felt. If he had found out before he ever fought Itachi, he probably would've done exactly what he did during the 4th Great Ninja War when he saw Edo Tensei'd Itachi going somewhere, that being chasing after him and demanding answers. Only real difference is Itachi would still be alive. I don't imagine Itachi would be stupid enough to try to keep up the act anymore, either. The cat would've already been out of the bag. It's also unlikely Sasuke would make the decision to pursue the destruction of the Leaf with Itachi still right there to talk him out of it. Besides which, what would stop Itachi from knocking his ass out and dropping him unceremoniously in front of Konoha's main gate afterwards? Or using genjutsu to try to erase his memory of the truth? Or using the Koto Amatsukami crow he had following him around all that time on Sasuke to make Sasuke stay loyal to the Leaf, like he originally planned?

And sure Orochimaru could try to chase him, and depending on when it is in the timeline, probably succeed and keep him locked up til it was time for the body transfer. Except Orochimaru also wanted Sasuke's body to be as strong as it could before taking it over, otherwise why train Sasuke during that period at all? He can't strengthen Sasuke's body that much if Sasuke isn't even cooperating with him. Besides which, it would be needlessly more effort.

"But wouldn't Sasuke just find out anyway when Orochimaru was absorbed into Sasuke?"

We haven't really seen any proof that he got more than just Orochimaru's power and jutsu skills, as far as I'm aware. To be fair though, I don't think we've seen proof that he doesn't get Orochimaru's memories either.

But even if he did have Orochimaru's memories too, it doesn't necessarily mean the knowledge was right at his fingertips at any time. He might have had to actually spend time to peruse Orochimaru's memories and knowledge, like a computer full of files, and in that case he probably isn't going to find what he isn't already looking for. Why would he feel motivated to do so for any reason other than for the purpose of killing Itachi? Only information he'd be searching for in that case is tactical strategies, jutsu, techniques, etc. Orochimaru's memories would probably hold no interest for him, especially because he finds Orochimaru *disgusting* as a human being. That's the whole reason he decided against giving Orochimaru his body, afterall.

I'm tired so I can't think of anything else atm, but that's the basic gist of my theory.

#naruto #naruto shippuden #sasuke #sasuke uchiha #orochimaru #itachi uchiha #Uchiha clan downfall #uchiha clan massacre

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kawaiistarfishbeliever · 5 months

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#Manga cover #Sarada Uchiha (kid)#Boruto #Neo Uchiha clan #post-Uchiha downfall baby #SasuSaku's baby

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eveningdawn222 · 7 months

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was it based of danzo to kill all the cops

#this is the thing. like yeah it sucks that all the #uchiha died. yes it was a genocide. but also like. they were all literally cops.#like. they oppressed the working class (non-shinobi)#anyway obviously i'm not pro danzo #i just think it's funny because. in any other circumstance a character who orchestrated the downfall of the policing system would be based #but he killed the kids too so :/#naruto #sasuke uchiha #itachi uchiha #danzo shimura

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cocktailjjrs · 9 months

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So like,

Last year wasn't the year for deuteragonists...

This isn't the year for the Sensei's/Mentors...

So the next year will be a nightmare for... ??

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lazyenemygladiator · 9 months

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#fantasy #shonen #anime & manga #Boruto #Boruto Opening 1 #Sarada Uchiha (kid)#Mitsuki (kid)#Boruto Uzumaki (kid)#Revived Uchiha clan #Post-Uchiha downfall #Uzumaki clan #team Kekkei Genkai #Team captain #Medic-nin #Ninja Academy days #Uzumaki & Hyuga clans #Team neo 7 #Team Konohamaru

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golden-bean-soup · 8 months

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I saw some posts about sasuke being dead and like is that true?? Is my boy dead? Is my boy finally free? Please please be true🙏

#uchiha sasuke #god i hope so #i can't keep hearing about all the ooc bullshit they make him do in boruto😭#everyday i wake up and i hope hes dead #real sasuke fans are prayingfor his downfall

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thecuriousquest · 1 year

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Master List Part One

Updated 11/29/2023

***My request rules have been updated on 12/11/2023 and can be found here.

Master List Part Two>

Key:

💙 = Platonic Yandere

💜 = SFW Yandere

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💙🖤 = Platonic Yandere which includes NSFW material such as but not limited to: heavy abuse or abuse mentioned (whether brief of not), suicidal thoughts/tendencies, graphic depictions of whipping or death, etc. Read at your own discretion

🩶 = NSFW non sexual/non consensual spanking (EX: punishment spanking)

🩵 = NSFW platonic spanking

My Hero Academia

Kirishima:

You Could’ve Been Hurt, Pebble! 🩶

For Love 🖤

Shoto:

You’re so Troublesome, Snowflake 🖤

A New Life 💜

Stripped 🖤

Boyfriend Shoto Todoroki Headcanons 🖤

Yandere Shoto and Levi Headcanons 🖤

Go to Sleep 💜

Dabi:

Yandere Big Brother Dabi Headcanon 💙

Fire and Water 💜

Little Sis, Shut the Fuck Up 💙

It’s Too Fucking Hot in Here 🖤

Boyfriends and Bruises 💙

Yandere Alphabet: Dabi 🖤

P is for Patience 🖤

Keigo:

Little Dove, My Heart Flutters for You Part One 🖤, Part Two 🖤

You’ll be the Death of Me 💜

Japanese Sweets Prompt 💜

To Cage a Hero 💜

Pay Attention! 🖤

Izuku:

You Belong To Me 💜

Hero Conventions and Escape Routes 💜

Life’s a Game 💜

Run Your Mouth 🩶

Ikigai 💜

Dedicated 💜

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The Eyes of a Man are His Downfall 🖤

The Only Choice Left 💜

No Escape 🖤

Can’t Live Without You 🖤

Hitoshi:

You Warm My Heart 🖤

Little Doll in the Park 💜

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Aizawa:

Platonic Yandere Teacher Shouta Aizawa Headcanons 💙

Hell on Earth 💙

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Mistakes Were Made 🩶

Nothing Left to Say 🩶

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Butterfly 💜

The Grace Period 💜

When Blades Dance with Flesh 🖤

Multiple Characters:

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Darling, What Ales You? 💜

Izuku and Hitoshi Clothing Headcanons 💜

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Natsu:

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Rules and Doors 🩶

Yandere Alphabet: Natsu Dragneel 💜

Big Brother Natsu Headcanons 🩵

Jellal:

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Laxus:

Ink, Roses, and Lightning 💜

Midnight:

Not Happening 🖤

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Yandere Fairy Tail Punishments 🖤

Broken Darling 🖤

Broken Darling Headcanons for Natsu, Gray, and Laxus 🖤

Naruto Shippuden

Itachi:

Know Your Place 🖤

Kakashi:

What Happened to Your Tag? 🖤

Yandere Alphabet: Kakashi Hatake 🖤

Naruto:

Leave or Stay 💜

Yandere Alphabet: Naruto Uzumaki 💜

Sasuke:

Saint 🖤

Yandere Sasuke Uchiha Headcanons 🖤

Kurama:

Yandere Kurama Headcanons 🖤

Gaara:

Yandere Gaara SFW Headcanons 💜

Sai:

Yandere Sai Headcanons 💙

SasuNaru:

We’ll Take Care of You! 🖤

Attack on Titan

Levi:

What Comes in the Night 🖤

You Answer to Me 🖤

Learning is Painful Sometimes 🖤

Yandere Levi Ackerman Type 🖤

Yandere Alphabet: Levi Ackerman 🖤

Secretly Married Headcanons 🖤

Pregnant Reader Headcanons 🖤

A Tonic for Jealousy 🖤

Fevers, Sweat, and Tears 💜

Yandere Big Brother Levi Headcanons 🩵

Yandere Shoto and Levi Headcanons 🖤

In His Loving Arms 💜

Bad Pet 🖤

Have Mercy 🖤

The Captain and the Duchess 🖤

Legend of Korra

Tonraq:

Blind Dates and DILFS 🖤

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the-real-sasuke-uchiha · 2 months

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Every time I see someone referring to what happened to the Uchiha clan as "downfall" I fell like setting the whole world on fire. What downfall, you dumbass. The word you are looking for is GENOCIDE.

#I am so tired #this is so unfair I can't stand it anymore #the Uchiha were exterminated by the government #they did not fall from grace #anti konoha #pro uchiha #defending the honor of the Uchiha clan

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theheirofthesharingan · 3 months

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Okay, sorry if this was asked before but I'm curious and I'd really like to learn more. You've mentioned in a couple of posts now that Itachi wasn't retconned. Could you please elaborate further?

Hey! No, this wasn't asked before. I was thinking of making a separate post for this, but procrastination is evil. So, I am one of the 'Itachi was meant to be a good guy/was not evil/had more to him than he let on' people. Watching the anime, it was the feeling that there was more to him. His reveal was along the lines of devastation and shocking for me than surprise. Detailed post is below the cut.

First thing first.

This was Itachi's first look that Kishimoto had planned.

Itachi was originally conceived as the leader of Konoha's Special Assassination and Tactical Squad called the "Anbu", dubbed the Itachi Squad (イタチ隊, Itachi-tai), which would have been a 70-man group divided into four teams, specializing in assassination and other illicit operations. However, this idea was scrapped in favour of the current Itachi working for the Akatsuki.

The above paragraph is from Itachi's wikipedia that cites a couple of interviews as sources. People can't be too blind in their delusion to think the author who wrote the story had no idea what he was writing.

Next is the Naruto Databook that has some fishy things if we look closely. In the first glance it's not very obvious, but after learning the truth it seems very much obvious.

It says, "the ones who know the reason of its downfall are very small". Go back to Obito's words about only four people being aware of the reason of the clan's downfall.

Additionally, Itachi carried out 134 B-Rank missions. Zero A Rank. And one S-Rank. The S rank mission being the Uchiha massacre. It's very fishy that he was given one s rank mission without any A tank mission. Suspicious? We know later on why.

It's also interesting because the first databook was published in 2002 and Itachi first appeared in 2003. If his twist wasn't planned from the beginning this databook is very telling.

Since I mentioned how he looked, here's him in Sasuke's flashbacks for the first time.

He looks far from evil or sadistic. You want to know who enjoys killing for fun? Hidan. Itachi, on the other hand, on the day of the massacre itself, looks miserable and lost.

In chapter 7, he in a haze-like manner he talks about crying. In many English translations it's translated as 'he made me cry' and in many it's this. It's very, very vague, but his statement is complimented by Sakura's question, to which he still responds in the similar way 'My..' Maybe he was trying to say 'My brother', but he instead finishes his speech with 'my goal is to take revenge' etc., Since it's still very early so it might not be the strongest evidence, but a few chapters later in chapter 27, during their fight against Haku, when Sasuke awakens his Sharingan, he has two tomoe in his right eye.

Yes, he might have awakened it this way, but it also suggests that maybe already had his Sharingan and that's why this is 'asymmetrical' awakening? In the later chapters we find out he actually did have his Sharingan he awakened after the massacre.

This flashbacks in chapter 127 most firmly establishes Itachi's twist. The tilted head-protector. Sasuke remembers it vaguely, but he has no recollection of Itachi crying that night, because his mind is still hazy from the "truth" Itachi wanted him to believe. We know later on the significance of this scene.

There are three moments before Itachi was even introduced that give away what we see right after his truth reveal and connect to the chapter 403.

The 'Itachi was retconned' camp also uses 'Itachi was meant to be older (than 13) but Kishi made him younger later on' as an excuse to justify their retcon bullshit.

Kakashi, in chapter 142, states Itachi was 13 when he was made the Anbu captain.

Itachi graduated when he was just seven. Sasuke is the same age as Itachi was when he graduated from the Academy. Itachi is 17 at the time of his first appearance and Sasuke is 12. It is enough to tell lies were spread about Itachi. We, obviously, learn later on why.

Some more obvious hints were his interaction with Asuma, Kurenai, and Kakashi.

The criminal infamous for annihilating one of the strongest clans refuses to indulge in fight?

He also asks Kisame to keep things low key and not get too much attention. That's an excuse. He's not here to wage war. Yes, later on he does ask Kisame to go ahead. But that's because he's a spy. He cannot let Danzo know he dropped his guard. One single mistake from his side that could unearth the truth of the massacre and Danzo would lay hands on Sasuke. Plus, while he's strong, his opponents aren't just fragile saplings who couldn't stand any blow he or Kisame cast. He knew reinforcements would be on the way.

Kakashi also wonders why Itachi didn't just kill him. Again, yes, the torture was brutal, but they're ninja who are meant to do and endure cruel things. Itachi had to look like he was a menacing criminal reputed to have killed the Uchiha singlehandedly.

So, he completely avoids fighting Asuma and Kuernai, takes on only Kakashi because he's strong and can take it, also has Sharingan. But he completely refuses to go against Jiraiya. Jiraiya may or may not be stronger than him. Maybe they were equal. However, recalling Obito's words again: Itachi devoted himself to fighting Sasuke to death.

Two conclusions come from this:

He didn't want to fight Jiraiya because it would result in a massive bloodbath and killing a leaf Shinobi is out of question for him. He's not a coward. He just doesn't want to fight him.

As we know from later on, he wanted to fight and die at Sasuke's hands only. Killing a Konoha Shinobi or dying at the hands of someone that isn't Sasuke isn't a part of his plan.

This can also be tracked further when Kisame captures the Four Tails.

Kisame most likely knew about Itachi's illness, knew Itachi wanted to die at Sasuke's hands. The reason Itachi didn't fight Jiraiya and Rōshi was most likely the same.

Kisame comments on Itachi's 'lingering affection' towards the village. The Akatsuki pairings' dynamics are quite opposite. Deidara and Sasori love art but have differing opinions on eternal vs explosive. Hidan and Kakuzu represent religion vs materialism (money). And Itachi and Kisame represent treachery vs loyalty. Itachi isn't loyal to Akatsuki, Kisame is.

They also wonder why is Itachi taking the matter of kidnapping Naruto so lightly. He could have done it very easily. We know now that that wasn't his intent and his objective to visit the village was something else.

As popular as 'Itachi knocked on the door before kidnapping Naruto' meme is, the truth is, he wasn't there to kidnap him at all. Replace Itachi with Kisame alone for a moment. Knock on the door? No, sir. Naruto would be half-dead. Or replace him with Hidan and Kakuzu. They're sadistic bastards and would have damaged Naruto in the worst possible way.

Furthermore, when you think of it, he revealed 'Akatsuki are after jinchuriki' years prior to the Akatsuki even began collecting the tailed beasts. It was a message he left because it was important. His job in the Akatsuki wasn't to "pass on the info to the village." It was to keep tabs on them so they don't attack Konoha.

After the massacre, Sasuke's unwavering faith in Itachi despite being put in Tsukuyomi. At first it doesn't seem too much, but we later discover that Itachi used to be a kind and gentle boy. So this bit isn't just Sasuke is blind, but also that Itachi was a kind child before the tragedy happened.

Sasuke's flashbacks in chapter 220 also hint towards Itachi being trapped in the politics of the village/clan. Fugaku is speaking to his own son but the discussion is so intense that he has to activate his Sharingan to convey the message to Itachi.

These are the flashbacks from the chapter #221 that further shed light on Itachi being a spy.

He's the "pipeline between the clan and the village" - a spy. Later Obito says Itachi was callously used for his devotion towards the village, this is an example of his clan doing this to him.

This is Itachi right after being accused of Shisui's murder. He looks in grief, while also processing the news. Once the narrative delves deep into Itachi's story (through Sasuke's eyes) in VOTE1, he continues to look miserable, lost, in pain, and in dire need of help. And once we begin to see more of him before his death, he is quite human. But again, Kishimoto had his whole story figured out by that time, knew what he was to do with Itachi's arc and Sasuke's future there.

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Kishimoto isn't a terrible writer because some people choose to ignore what's written right there or cannot accept happened. Usually the deniers of this are those who question his morality. His morality is never the subject of the debate because Itachi isn't exonerated for his crimes. He's a part of a world that's cruel and violent and his actions align with it very much. The ones who "praise" him have their own bias, and that gives him nothing in return. Characters in fiction always, I mean, always respond to the information based on their morality. When Hashirama praises Itachi, it's because he grew up in the warring era and lost all his family. He learns there's this kid who chose a path with the least damage but at the cost of his life, he's a good Shinobi. Hiruzen also has his bias as well as his guilt. Naruto's praise for Itachi is not only because of stopping a war, but also for loving Sasuke. No one other than Sasuke sees him as a person whether anyone likes him or hates him. He's praised by other Shinobi for doing things that are expected from a Shinobi.

Either way, at the end of the day, Itachi himself doesn't see himself who is worth forgiving, worth loving, worth being remembered. That's his whole arc.

Some things above in the post I took from this thread. Some information I ommited from it, so feel free to go through it, please.

#itachi #itachi uchiha #uchiha itachi #akatsuki #kisame #ask #anon #this was a very important ask

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obnoxiousselfdiagnosedneurosis · 4 months

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Alright, Uchiha Clan oppression longpost

This is the unavoidable, and often central, topic people tend to surround their Naruto politics takes on, and is as a result a big, ugly discourse-generator. It's also a subject I'm definitely always thinking about when it comes to Naruto as a noted Sasuke stan, and my thoughts on it have changed gradually over the years. I'm making this post to share what my current interpretation on "how and why the Uchiha Clan were oppressed" is.

Before I do that though, notice on what this post is not:

I'm not writing a "discourse ender", a take meant to be spread around with the claim of being the only correct interpretation of events. This is a post I wrote to share the exact way I rotate an aspect of the manga in my mind, and to convince people that looking at it from this angle is interesting. Basically: it's not that serious, I think about this because it's fun.

This isn't a "character-bashing" post or whatever either, so like if you agree with what you read here, I suppose I can't stop you from using those infamous "anti-[X]" tags, it's just that making a post that warrants them has never been my intention.

Along with that, I do want to address the by now very well established fact that Naruto the series is Not Very Good, and has glaring inconsistencies in its writing. The Uchiha Clan drama is definitely not exempt from this, and in its case the failures in Kishimoto's writing usually show in inconsistent power-scaling, in which we're made to accept weird leaps in logic (how does a 13 year old get rid of what we're told is one of the most powerful and feared clans internationally?) That being said, those particular inconsistencies are kind of irrelevant to this particular post, and don't much change the fact that the Uchiha Clan Massacre did happen. I'll be taking it as a given that if you're reading this, you're accepting to suspend your disbelief of those events on a technical level, and are more interested in how I make sense of it all more on the diegetic social/political level.

With that settled, we can get to the important part now:

The most popular take (as far as I've personally seen) on the events that led to the Uchiha Clan's downfall is the one that takes Madara at his word: the Senju have been oppressing the Uchiha since Konoha's conception, and Tobirama becoming the 2nd Hokage gave him the opportunity to put the Uchiha in a more socially disadvantaged position (police force), gradually earning them the villagers' ire, which was the catalyst for their eventual genocide.

This interpretation works if the end goal of your analysis is to say "Tobirama really fucking sucks". I don't think this conclusion is an unreasonable one, since Tobirama's hostility towards the Uchiha is great enough that he can callously tell a 16 year old genocide survivor that if his clan "self-destructed for the sake of the village, so be it". However, to me, the circumstances surrounding the Uchiha Clan are much wider-encompassing and more fascinating than narrowing their fate to a single man in fan meta written to convince you to hate him, so it goes without saying that I don't think "this is all Tobirama's fault" is a very interesting lens to look at this from.

I also don't buy the argument that making the Uchiha cops was (originally) to their detriment. We'll get back to that in a bit. I suppose this depends on how you look at Tobirama's character, but I think that when he said he made the police force as a sign of trust and to give the clan something useful to do in Konoha, he was being genuine. Arguing the opposite requires you to either believe that a law enforcement order could ever be in an oppressed position by default, or that Tobirama created a fundamentally useless new institution because he just hated the Uchiha that much. I think the former is a weird thing to argue if you're trying to be Leftist about all this, and the latter is a very ungenerous interpretation of Tobirama's character in which his own "racism"/pettiness overshadows his more utilitarian instincts to ensure that the village his brother built was safe and functioning. Obviously you could interpret that, but that leads us back to the "everything is Tobirama's fault" take, that I already mentioned I find lame as hell.

So then, how do I think the Uchiha Clan was oppressed? Because I think they indisputably were, or I wouldn't be making this post. Well, I think it was less "The Senju/Tobirama have always wanted to lord over them and wanted them dead", and more: they became gradually more socially disadvantaged during the era of Hidden Villages, with the consecutive world wars creating a souring global opinion on kekkei genkai clans.

(I'm gonna base my arguments primarily on what we see happen in the manga, and I'll add in some information from the fanbooks/databooks that weren't contradicted by what we see happen in Kishimoto's canon)

Let's start with what we know, definitely, that canon tells us:

Kekkei genkai clans are discriminated against to a very high extent, leading to things such as their mass slaughter (eg, the Uchiha Clan obviously, but also kekkei genkai clans like Haku's clan in the Land of Mist), and a vulnerability which puts them in positions where they're likelier to be targeted and kidnapped (eg, Hinata, but also Orochimaru having a whole criminal entreprise built on kidnapping and experimenting on people possessing kekkei genkai).

The trend for their discrimination is in being scapegoated. When Haku talks about the genocides in the Land of Mist (I refuse to call it the Land of Water sorry it sounds so stupid), this is how he describes them:

(chapter 59)

basically, it's not shinobi as a whole who are badly seen even though all sorts of them were likely participating in those wars: it's kekkei genkai clans in particular. Compare this to the Uchiha Clan being blamed for the Nine Tails attack (I mean one of them certainly was responsible, but was entirely unaffiliated with the rest of the clan) and being roped off to the edge of the village as a result.

Kekkei genkai clans are also frequently described by characters as being a bit "wilder" and more violent than usual shinobi. Tobirama calling the Uchiha "cursed", Kushina describing the Uzumaki as being "a bit savage", and Kakashi introducing us to the concept of kekkei genkai initially with these fun visuals:

(chapter 25)

The thing that's interesting about all this is the context in which it exists: the shinobi villages aren't technically "nations", but I think it would be accurate to liken their possessiveness of their secrets and paranoia regarding outside intrusion + conception of themselves as unified cultural entities + incredibly harsh treatment of dissidents (becoming a rogue is essentially a death sentence) to nationalism. There's an intentse "in-group vs out-group" feeling here.

Not to mention that canonically that shinobi have always been tools of imperialism for greater powers. While Hashirama's initial dream was to put an end to that, it eventually became corrupted; there was already discontent regarding land and resource allocations during his tenure as Hokage, and while we have no idea why the 1st War started, we know that by the time we're on the 2nd one, Konoha had become a tool for the Land of Fire's imperialist expansion (and was apparently was expanding its influence as a military village, too).

(chapter 436)

Basically, the "in-group vs out-group" conception that had once solely been clan-centric widened, and became this new concept of shinobi villages.

This is important because nationalistic sentiment inevitably rises during war; as a result, there's be a sharper eye for who'd turn traitor, who wasn't supporting the military effort, who would endanger their nation/village, etc. With this, there would be greater suspicion directed towards kekkei genkai clans, because they're more "genetically predisposed" to being unpredictable, because they would appear more loyal to their own than to the whole of the village, because they were the likeliest to turn traitor, and so on.

This would be a gradual process going on since the 1st War, but I believe that the 2nd War was where this kickstarted into becoming so much worse, because that one saw the destruction of Uzushio. It was a village composed entirely of a single clan, didn't bend to any of the big 5, and the Uzumaki were "savage" and had abilities that were greatly feared. It would be interesting to consider the idea that their associations with Konoha would have done them more harm than good here, too, given that Konoha was the Big Bad in the 2nd War and an alliance with them would not have been viewed positively.

It's thinking about all this in context, where nationalism was at its peak, where there's an idea that genetic chakra abilities impair swathes of people from being regular functioning shinobi like everyone else, is how we can imagine the Uchiha were discriminated against. They had another disadvantage to them as well, given that one of the first deadly attacks committed on Konoha was done by one of them. If we want to go back to the police force argument, it would be interesting to consider the idea that while it had been a good position for them at first, the utility and influence of the institution gradually eroded over time, and by the time the era where the massacre happened came along it became nearly meaningless since most of its original functions had been assigned elsewhere; as the kekkei genkai clan discrimination rose, the Uchiha also fell victim to it and their influence within the village significantly reduced out of fear of them.

The surveillance and the sequestering of the Uchiha Clan came after two important events; the first being the 3rd Great Shinobi War, and the second being the Nine Tails' attack on Konoha which happened barely a year post-armistice. Konoha was barely recovering from global armed conflict when half of it was destroyed in that attack; tensions are high, the Hokage is dead, and so the village saw an incredibly convenient scapegoat in the Uchiha clan.

So... yeah, that's how I see it! I find this a more fun interpretation than just pointing fingers at individual characters, because it allows me to consider the wider worldbuilding of the Naruto world, and also doesn't assume the Uchiha's position was especially unique and the end-be-all of all the problems with Naruto's politics. It's certainly important, but it's part of a greater network of problems too!

#send post #The ground is soft and I'm ready to dig #Uchiha #this is somehow both longer and shorter than I expected it to be #Anyways feel free to discuss and ask for clarification on some points if they seem confusing!

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al-hekima-madara-blog · 2 years

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I'm rambling but I have to say it again for people in the back. Is there anyone in the naruto fandom who can answer this simple question :

how come Konoha can't deal the threatening Uchiha's rebellion, but Itachi can?

Let me reformulate : How come Konoha one of the most powerful village composed of :

the jonins : highly experienced and highly skilled shinobis who serve as military captains.

the Anbu : short for Ansatsu Senjutsu Tokushu Butai, Special Assassination and Tactical Squad. Their skills is in their name.

Torture and Interrogation force: Yes. It exists, although Konoha is I've heard a peaceful village of milk and honey.

Root : secret service in Anbu, infiltration, assasination, act of terrorism for Konoha's sake.

The Hokage and his council : head of the village with large influence inside and outside the country

all these people are coming from different clans, who get use to work in team and to combine different jutsu since childhood, some are even war veterans, who knows strategy to avoid the sharingan (because they live next to/work with the Uchihas), who went so far to infiltrate their secret meeting, and already knows about the secret coup which is not secret anymore thanks to Shisui and Itachi. You tell me this elite is HELPLESS again Fukagu and his men? But Itachi at 13 years old can stop the most dangerous civil war of all time on his own?? Are Uchihas extremely dangerous or are they so weak they can be easily handle by an adult (Obito) and a child ? Think about it, make your own conclusion.

#just logic #and common sense #uchiha clan #uchiha downfall #itachi #Konoha

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Your yandere Obito had my heart thumping and my face completely red from embarrassment. (I may or may not have been smiling the whole time reading it, huehuehue.) May I please request more yandere Obito[from Naruto.] once again? Anything, even a sliver of Obito to get me through my day? NSFW, or not, either is completely fine. Thank you, so, so much, you wonderful skeleton covered in flesh. :3

YES I CAN HELP! I'm actually going to be a bit wacky... this builds off the stuff from last time mostly the "feeding his delusion" route for the nsfw stuff. Link here to part 1/context! I'm so excited that I get to write more for this!

-Maybe he was just being stubborn, but Obito was denying how he really felt. So many thoughts ran through his head as he did his best to play his role as Madara.

-Yet no matter how much Zetsu urged him, he just kept going back to your apartment. He had lost count how many "keepsakes" he had "borrowed" from your home. If he wasn't careful, he might end up taking everything. You might move to a less convenient location or not sleep so soundly and sweetly when he made his nightly visit. It was growing more difficult to keep himself from you.

-Why should he? No, why should he deny you of him? There was plenty of time before the Eye of the Moon plan was finalized. The board was running slow, but as long as the pieces kept moving in order, he could spend a little time with you. Not realizing he had to capture the tailed beasts in order showed him how impatient he really was.

-His conflicted heart made his path blurry. It was extremely risky to see you, and the moment he was set on the Uchiha clan's downfall, he knew that he was going to have to make his choice. To take you with him the night before he was set to meet with Itachi or cut himself off from you completely.

-That would have either been the last night you noticed you "lost" random things or the night he revealed himself to you. He never regrets the choice he makes even if it leads to unhappiness. He might long to see your face as he rereads your diary, but he knows you only have to suffer his death not suffer the man he is now. On the other hand, he might see how miserable you are at his side, but he strongly believes you'd be even worse off without knowing that he is alive.

-Living as a member of the Akatsuki, willingly or not, forces you to lie at every turn. You have to feign knowing that Tobi is anything but a silly rookie. Unfortunately, he doesn't let you ignore him either. He pairs you up with himself and has you run missions with him.

-If you enjoy playing with him as Tobi, he gets even deeper into his role for you when alone. Though, he knows its a mockery of him as a child in some ways, he'd happily be that idiot for you as long as you keep smiling for him.

-Just the sight of you keeps him from being lost as the ten tails tries to rip his mind apart. He has a goal he must fulfill for you, sorry I mean you, sorry I mean you, sorry I mean Rin. The lies swim in his head, but he knows he just wants you to be with a version of him that isn't so horrible.

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-If he wasn't so deep in denial, he'd actually realize that all his dirty fantasies involved you. He can't think of Rin in such a way so his body desires you, craves you. It might be under layers and layers of "this is what you want to do with him."

-The first time Obito masturbated with your panties wrapped around his cock, he rubbed it raw. He didn't really know what he was doing, but the thought that under different circumstances you could catch him like this, drove him wild. He gets caught up in the loop of using something so intimate to you for his own pleasure that he wouldn't realize that he is ruining the material or hurting himself. The pain makes his cock twitch just as much as the soft material around his sensitive skin does. It makes him drool a bit at the thought of you masturbating to him like this.

-If you end up on the path where you are on his side and feeding into his delusion that its actually you who is obsessed with him, he will eventually succumb to his lust. Without pretense and once you were alone with him in the Kamui dimension, he'd toss his mask away and kiss you without restraint. He'd bring you close to him letting you feel just how hard he is knowing what he planned to do.

"I know I'm spoiling you for the other me, but I don't think you'll mind that much. You've wanted me for so long after all. Let me reward you for your loyalty."

-If he strips you down and you are wet at all, he is going to feel so validated in his actions and so very attractive. Even this version of him that he considered worthless is enough for you to want him. To him that's equally beautiful and tragic.

-This would have been his first time with anyone so he is extremely inexperienced. He'd probably come the instant he was inside you, but he would be very much ready to keep going.

-You being a virgin as well would drive him insane.

"You saved yourself for me? Oh [Y/N], I shouldn't have made you wait so long!"

-He is very vocal switching between growls and whines as he ruts into you. His position preference would be for you be looking up at him. Nothing else really matters to him as long as his dick is inside you. In a different situation he'd have you on all fours and unable to see his scarred face, but you love him right? It would be too cruel for him not to see you looking into his eye with an expression of pure pleasure and too cruel for you not to get to enjoy "the man you love" as he is intimate with you.

-By virtue of being a virgin or a miracle, if you somehow come around his cock, he will take it as permission to take you like this again. Its addicting for him to make you shudder and call his name out like that. Who would have thought being your savior would feel so good for him?

-Depending on how bad his performance was for you, he would be willing to learn how to please you better. Over time he will improve as he explores your body more, but he would only ask how to do better on the chance you complain. He might be a bit embarrassed, but what can he say, he knows he isn't the version you'll be with for the rest of eternity.

-He'd be overly regretful over his actions if he ever saw you cry after sex. It almost hurts him as much as it hurts you. He is just doing what he thinks you want. He is trying to make it easier for you to be around him and easier for him to keep himself in his delusion.

-While he starts off very vanilla, he finds out he has a praise kink and a roleplay kink. He likes to hear you tell him his handsome. Though he'd probably refute the

He wants to hear you say the things that he believes you are thinking. Craving that validation of his delusion, he might have you recite certain entries from your diary while he eats you out. Yes, he figured out where your clit is. It just took him a second.

-Whether its Hokage-personal anbu guard roleplay or him fulling putting himself in the Tobi or Madara roles, he really enjoys imagining that the man he is now isn't the one fucking you senseless in the Kamui dimension. It helps him feel a little less guilty for enjoying himself in a way that's not possible in the Infinite Tsukiyomi. If he is willing to be a little less selfish he might even ask you what sort of scenario you'd enjoy.

-Cumming on your face is where he likes to finish the most. It feels so wrong to see you, a proud shinobi, covered in his fluids, and oh so arousing. He often burns the image into his brain by turning on his sharingan. If he is feeling particularly cruel, he might work on learning genjutsu just so he can make you see yourself.

#obito x reader #yandere #obito uchiha x reader #yandere headcanons #suggestive #waaaa I LOVE OBITO AHHHHHHHH #im so normal about him #can't yall see it? *smiles thought clenched teeth*

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Team 7

Team 7- best team

some informations about team 7:

Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura were organised into a team following their graduation from the Academy in order to balance out their talents: Naruto, the worst student in his class, would benefit from Sakura's intelligence and Sasuke's proficiency with ninjutsu; Sakura would benefit from her more battle-capable teammates; Sasuke would benefit from being forced to work with others. Kakashi was selected to lead them in order to keep an eye on Naruto, Nine-Tails' jinchūriki and, in the anime, to help Sasuke cope with life after the Uchiha Clan Downfall, and as well to develop his Sharingan. As with all the previous genin teams he was put in charge of, Kakashi gives them a bell test in order to determine if they give the proper importance to teamwork. Unlike all previous genin teams, Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura pass the test.

Team 7's early missions were all D-rank, which Naruto believed they are over-qualified for. He was able to pressure the Third Hokage into giving them a C-rank mission: escorting Tazuna to the Land of Waves. After starting the mission they discover that Tazuna lied about the mission details and that the mission is actually A-rank, far above the skills of genin. Despite this, Team 7 sticks with the mission and is able to see it through to its completion. When they return to Konoha they resume their menial, D-rank assignments, but from their performance, Kakashi believes they are qualified to participate in the Chūnin Exams. Despite strong showings from all three, particularly Naruto and Sasuke, none succeed in becoming chūnin, although they were crucial in helping put an end to the Oto-Suna invasion of Konoha, culminating in Naruto defeating the One-Tail jinchūriki Gaara.

In the anime, they go on a few additional missions, including an escort mission in the Land of Tea, but events during and after the Chūnin Exams lead Sasuke to believe that his membership in the team is preventing him from achieving his goal of killing his brother, Itachi, as well as his personal jealousy and resentment of Naruto's rapidly growing strength in a short period of time in contrast to his own. After a confrontation with the Sound Four in which he was severely outclassed, Sasuke defects from Konoha, joining forces with Orochimaru. Sakura unsuccessfully tries to convince him not to, Naruto is unable to stop him, and by the time Kakashi learns of what Sasuke has done, it was already too late. In the aftermath, Naruto leaves the village to train with Jiraiya and Sakura becomes the disciple of Tsunade, in effect disbanding Team 7.

When Naruto returns to the village after two-and-a-half years, he, Sakura, and Kakashi form a "Reborn Team 7" (新生第七班, Shinsei dainanahan).[3] Kakashi gives them another bell test, but this time the only objective is to demonstrate how their skills have improved. As the team's first mission, they are sent to Sunagakure to rescue the Fifth Kazekage from Akatsuki, for which task they are reorganised into the Kazekage Rescue Team upon arrival in Suna. During the course of the mission, they learn of an opportunity to reunite with Sasuke, but Kakashi overexerts himself and needs extended bed-rest when they return to Konoha. Because they have only a limited amount of time to make to use of the intel, an Anbu codenamed Yamato is assigned as Kakashi's replacement. To provide additional manpower to the team, Sai of Root is added to the team as Sasuke's replacement.

Team Yamato's first mission.

Although the team is successful in infiltrating one of Orochimaru's hideouts and meeting with Sasuke, his growth over the last few years is more than any of them can compete with and they can do nothing but let him escape. From the mission, however, Sai becomes a trusted and lasting member of the team and Yamato takes on a recurring role as leader and advisor to Team 7's members, especially as Kakashi increasingly commits himself to other tasks. When a Kakashi-led Team Asuma struggles in another confrontation with Akatsuki, Yamato leads Team 7 in providing backup. Shortly afterwards, when they come up with a plan to find Sasuke by first finding Itachi, a Yamato-led Team 7 combines with a Kakashi-led Team 8 into the Eight Man Squad.

The original Team 7 reunited.

The Eight Man Squad is unsuccessful in stopping Sasuke from falling into the clutches of the Akatsuki. When, following Pain's Assault, recent news of Sasuke's criminal activity with Akatsuki reaches Konoha, Naruto tries to secure a pardon for him from the Raikage, who refuses. Meanwhile, Sasuke's former classmates decide that they should be the ones to personally kill him for what he's done and to prevent the chaos his actions could bring. Sakura accepts the responsibility, yet plots to kill him on her own due to Sai's unwittingly encouraging her to do so, but ultimately can't bring herself to do so, and nearly lost her life. Kakashi, on learning of her plans and believing the crisis to be his responsibility due to his own failure to prevent Sasuke from going rogue, offers to do it himself as Sasuke's former teacher. Naruto intervenes before anybody is able to kill anyone else, in the process reuniting all of Team 7's original members for the first time in more than three years. Naruto and Sasuke briefly clash, but both accept they are too evenly matched and postpone a final resolution between them for another time.

Team 7 defeats Kaguya.

Despite the nature of their prior meeting, all the members of Team 7 emerge on the same side during the Fourth Shinobi World War, with not even Sasuke wanting the world to fall victim to the Infinite Tsukuyomi. They join forces first against the Ten-Tails, then its jinchūriki Obito Uchiha, and then Madara Uchiha, but through various setbacks and despite various successes the world is enslaved by the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Sasuke is able to protect Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi from the Infinite Tsukuyomi's effects, leaving them the only ones to face a new and final threat: Princess Kaguya Ōtsutsuki. After a prolonged fight, Kakashi is able to create an opening with assistance from Obito, Sakura is able to block Kaguya's escape, and Naruto and Sasuke are able to seal her, ending the war. However, Sasuke revealed his alliance with them was a means to an end, stating his plan to start a revolution by killing the tailed beasts and the current Kage. Naruto opposes him and they fight in order to settle their feud once and for all. Ultimately, after they are injured to the point of being unable to move and lost a respective arm, Sasuke surrenders and accepts his friendship with Naruto.

The original Team 7 (minus Kakashi) as adults.

For his contributions during the war, Sasuke is pardoned for his previous crimes on the good words of Naruto and Kakashi. He re-allies himself with Konoha, but leaves the village to wander the world. At the same time, Kakashi becomes the Sixth Hokage and Naruto, Sai and Sakura all take on new roles, effectively disbanding Team 7 on good terms. Over the next several years, Naruto marries Hinata Hyūga, they have two children, Boruto and Himawari, Naruto succeeds Kakashi as the Seventh Hokage. Sasuke and Sakura get married and have a daughter, Sarada, and Sai marries Ino with whom he has a son, Inojin. The original Team 7, with the exception of Kakashi, briefly reunited to battle against Shin Uchiha and his army of clones, where they prevented the rebirth of the Akatsuki and stopped Shin's desire for war before it even began.

Years later, Boruto and Sarada, alongside Orochimaru's son Mitsuki, are placed together for their genin team. Influenced by their parents' past, Sarada requested that their assigned team designation be changed from Team 3 to Team 7, which Naruto granted.

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This thread has be done Uchiha apologists and sasuke fans are just the lack of reading comprehension first all there's only one potion of authority in the village and that's hokage what did the Uchiha clan lack that other clans had

I'm sorry to tell this but the Uchiha clan isn't a race it's family who founder is the older brother of the founder senju clan there part of the same family

Even if the Uchiha clan was race tobirama would be same race as them

Not mention what tobirama stated about Uchiha clan and the curse of hatred is a fact its canon in the naruto manga

First time the curse of hatred was mentioned by obito Uchiha a curse that has followed the Uchiha for generations

Just ignore what tobirama actually said about Uchiha clan that no clan feels deeper love that's Uchiha not even the senju its simple when a Uchiha loses that love its replaced by a deeper Hate that changes them simple.

Madara litteraly used some tobirama own words while talking to obito your deep love into a equally profound hatred come on people

Madara totally wasn't selfish like when he attacked the village with the nine tails putting multiple people in danger including his own clan so you say he left because he was worried about people yet put them in danger please

He also put the words of dead man izuna over the wellbeing of the entire clan forcing them to fight in a losing war to point where Uchiha clan members decided to join forces with the senju

Get it through your minds nobody wanted madara as hokage the Uchiha clan hated him to point of claming that madara killed izuna for him eyes tobirama was right

You people need the read the databook madara was not only Uchiha to ever be a traitor village unfortunately there madara sympthiers during tobirama rain there was Uchiha setsuna snd some others who planned coup against village and tried to overthrow tobirama they failed tobirama manged to deal with them without getting rid of the entire clan (looking at you danzo)

This orchimaru statement where people look at one part of the statement and ignore the other part of the statement the village didn't Uchiha clan because they where police force they disliked them because they where arrogant and conceited they let the authority and power they had get to there heads and where being a holes to people

If the Uchiha clan acted like decent people instead being conceited and arrogant towards the people around them then village would like them

And here's the thing madara attack on village happened 60 something years it happened do recently that are people in village that where still alive when it happened this is a recent wound and the person who happened to attack the village was Uchiha

If madara didn't leave the village and attack with nine tails then village wouldn't distrust they Uchiha if obito madara student didn't attack village and work with yashiro Uchiha clan the coup leaders and fan the flamesof said of coup read itachi shinden novel obito wanted the Uchiha clan gone

The people responsible for the Uchiha clan downfall are madara obito and danzo

To believe that sasuke was right in trying to destroy konoha and commit genocide against innocent people and his academy classmates due to the actions of one person is ridiculous

Sasuke was cleariy ooking for justice when he hurt karin he was clearing looking for justice when he tried to kill sakura when 3 years ago he not only called sakura a previous corpse and begged naruto to save her but thought team 7 as his family he tired to kill someone he thought of a family member not to long ago

Not only that but he has indra soul influencing him yes his soul not just chakra it was confirmed by naruto databook 4

Making him the hokage would have just made alot of the Uchiha clan upset because again they didn't want madara

Sasuke was infact cursed whether you like or not Sasuke was about to become a dictator then end the manga to claim that Sasuke wasn't in darkness just shows your lack of reading comprehension

#senju tobirama #curse of hatred #Uchiha clan #naruto #naruto shippuden #madara uchiha #uchiha sasuke #otsutsuki indra #indra otsutsuki

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