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More art of what I have dubbed The Great Fort Wars, an epic tale of a family torn asunder as they battle to stake their claim as the superior type of fort. Pillows with be fluffed, blankets will be stretched thin, and brotherly bonds will be put on the line as traitors are revealed and battles are declared.
I'll probably be creating some comics for this. I've also toyed with the idea of writing a fic too.
#rottmnt fanart#rottmnt#rottmnt mikey#rottmnt donnie#rottmnt leo#rottmnt raph#blanket forts#rottmnt movie#this is just a really wholesome and fun time!#well mostly#there's this one part near the end#it ends happily though#blue star doodles#turtledoodles
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Thinking about how, at the end of the day, at the fatal moment, the sunset of the Republic, it wasn’t Yoda, or Obi-Wan, or even the Chosen One himself standing in the way of Palpatine. It was Mace Windu.
Mace Windu, the inventor of Vaapad and Master of Form VII, the Jedi's strongest duelist, the only person to ever defeat Palpatine in combat. Mace Windu, Master of the Jedi Council and the youngest Master ever appointed to it, the revered leader of the Order. Mace Windu, who forgave even those who tried to kill him, who risked his life over and over again for his troops, who, after 3 years of desperate war, tried to negotiate with battle droids. Mace Windu, who knew the clones were created by the Sith and chose to trust them, who saw every Shatterpoint in the Republic, and loved it still, and fought for it until his last breath, until he was betrayed by Anakin, who he believed in and trusted despite everything.
Mace Windu, High General and hero of the Republic, the embodiment of the Light, the last and greatest champion of the Order, the best Jedi to ever live.
#I’ve said my piece goodnight#don’t play with me Mace Antis I have receipts for every last one of these#pretty much everyone agrees that he was the best duelist there was and he obviously won the fight#Anakin's choice wouldn't make thematic sense otherwise#also vader did not defeat palpatine in combat sorry he just grabbed him while he was distracted#it literally had to be a fair fight and Anakin had to be the one to choose to create the empire that's what the prequels are about#Star Wars databank calls him ‘revered’ shatterpoint tells us he was the youngest (real) member of the council#Boba Fett (tcw) and Prosset Dibs (comics) tried to kill him and he asked for amnesty and forgave them#literally just watch the Ryloth arc he spends most of his screentime saving his men#in tcw season seven he pleads with the battle droids to surrender hoping that no one else has to die#there's the part near the end of tcw where the council realizes that the clones were created by Dooku but Mace and the rest of the council#trust the clones so much they're willing to ignore it#the scene from Mace's POV in the rots novelization talks about how much he loves the republic and how he was blindsided by Anakin's betraya#because he trusted him!! we see in aotc that he has more faith in Anakin's abilities than Obi-wan#and he defeated the most powerful sith of all time single-handedly#BEST JEDI EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!#sw prequels#star wars prequels#prequel trilogy#sw prequel trilogy#star wars prequel trilogy#sw rots#star wars rots#revenge of the sith#star wars revenge of the sith#galactic republic#pro mace windu#mace windu#pro jedi order#pro jedi
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"This is HR speaking"
Please please please read @inpolariis 's Cross Guild fic!! IT'S SO GOOD
#captain art#sir crocodile#buggy the clown#cross guild#there's a part near the end of the chapter that made me laugh so loud I scared my dog-#one piece#oh gosh this is so rushed-
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skeppy who?
#mishapen draws#bbh#badboyhalo#qsmp#badboyhalo fanart#basically a study of narcissus by caravaggio but bastardized (badstardized)#sketched it freehand and then laid the sketch over the painting to fix it up#had to fix the positioning of the right arm + knees but overall not a bad bad#this is from that 5 minute bit he had with foolish near the end of stream on the 11th(?) of july where he drank a love potion#and fell in love with himself#took 5-ish hours#so maybe i'll redraw it one day and see if i can get it done faster#part of it was designing him on the fly#and figuring out the physics of fucking. clothes#which turned out to be really fun actually i think im starting to like them#if i were to do it again i think i would make his face even darker and use the helmet/his eye shine to denote where his features are#but it's also dark enough rn that it's hard to see on my phone so maybe not lmao#this has been: your artly scheduled mishapendear ramble#goodbye
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Just Cake #3
by popular demand (2 people asked) (hello) (thank you for commenting! it means a lot even if I don't manage to answer perhaps)
Part 1, Part 2
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“Look who we’ve caught,” an entirely too sweet voice said. “Well, aren’t you two adorable?”
The villain was growling now. A low, guttural sound which the henchman has only heard in life-threatening situations, usually forced out by the desperate struggle of survival. Now it was a promise of violence, get closer I dare you, a promise of slaughter and doom.
They tried to angle their head to glimpse whoever had the honour of experiencing such a threat.
The person shuffled to the side, no doubt measuring them in turn. They were all cloak and magic glowing through two bright orange eyes.
Supervillain.
They were so screwed. Utterly fucked.
The supervillain measured them both.
They seemed… wary. Ridiculous, given that the two potential threats were trapped in a power-suppressing net. Ridiculous, given that the supervillain was a supervillain for a reason—spectacular amount of magical skill and all.
Although the henchman could admit they wouldn’t want to be facing their villain’s growling and claws either. Even through a net. There were holes.
“You’re not superhero.”
The confusion triggered by such statement startled the villain out of their instinctual reaction. They stopped growling, although they were still baring their teeth.
“I was not expecting anyone else,” the supervillain said. “Perhaps that pesky hero who lurks around them sometimes, but not a fellow criminal.”
Fellow criminal, huh? The henchman assumed the supervillain was trying to convince them that they’re all on the same side. Perhaps the idea of a potential furious threat unsettled them, no matter the current cage around it.
Well, it wasn’t like they particularly wanted to stay in the bloody uncomfortable trap.
“In that case,” the henchman said, “I suppose you wouldn’t mind getting us out of the net?”
“Should I?”
…the henchman had assumed wrong.
While they probably were on a similar kind of boat regarding their criminal activities, the supervillain hadn’t had any proper motivation to let them go. They weren’t especially close or anything.
And yet, still standing there. Still watching the two criminals swinging in their net as if they somehow held the answers to the universe.
The supervillain had options.
First, they could let them out. The best outcome but severely unlikely.
Second, they could close a bargain of some kind. I’ll only let you out if… which was less favourable, but it would still mean getting out relatively quickly.
Third, they could leave them trapped.
It occurred to the henchman that while there was little chance of them making it out then, the supervillain couldn’t possibly know that. Their villain’s powers were speculated on so many levels it had led to more confusion than clarity in the industry. That could work out in their favour.
The henchman was no mind reader. They couldn’t possibly know how much of a threat did the supervillain consider them at the moment. Nevertheless, the supervillain was still standing there.
Nevertheless, the supervillain didn’t seem entirely convinced leaving them hanging was their best option.
They could work with that.
They decided to play their cards according to their instincts. The villain still hovered over them, a display of teeth and taunt like an arrow ready to take flight and slaughter. Their most wild card, a whisper of carnage. A terrifying ace.
The henchman loved them so.
“You had no quarrel with us before this… incident,” the henchman said. They focused on keeping their tone light, conversational. “Although, now that the situation has changed, perhaps you’re excited to find out how we settle the score, hm?”
Their look met the orange eyes. The supervillain probably found them crazy, threatening from within the containment. They felt insane. They felt the thrill run through them.
“Let us go, so the beast doesn’t have to claw its way out.”
On cue, the villain growled.
The supervillain hesitated.
It was a brief and finely concealed blip of emotion, barely slipping past the dangerous façade. Surely the villain couldn’t be so terrifying as to startle them. And yet.
The supervillain drew a smile, entirely too sharp in its flawless elegance. “Of course.” Then they proceeded to pull shears out of nowhere.
The henchman tried not to be impressed too bad. They hadn’t had much time to ponder about the practicality of the supervillain’s pockets relevant to such level of preparedness, since the net was cut down. There was little regard for the fact they would hit the ground.
The henchman couldn’t care less about the fall as their magic roared to life inside them. It pushed along their bones and crashed into their skin from within. It settled then, nesting in their body like a monster in its cave.
Belatedly, they realized the villain shielded the back of their neck and head from impact with their arm.
There was absolutely no dignified way to get out of the tangle of ropes.
Once the henchman managed, they realized the villain was standing over them protectively, placing themselves between them and the supervillain.
The villains stared each other down. It seemed a stalemate.
“I appreciate you understand plans fall through sometimes,” the supervillain said. “It was not my intention to harm you.”
“As displayed,” the henchman noted quietly.
The villain considered this. They nodded in acknowledgement.
The henchman itched to get out of another’s territory. They were sure the villain didn’t want to linger either.
“Could you give us directions from the forest?” they asked. “We would dislike to meddle with any of your other… endeavours.”
The supervillain tilted their head.
“What I mean is…” The henchman pulled the net up from beneath their feet, holding it out. “We wouldn’t want to mess with your handiwork.”
The supervillain grinned as they took the cluster of ropes, a little feral, a little genuine. They did point the two in a certain direction. They tipped their head at the villain before seemingly dissolving back into the forest and vanishing.
“Bloody hell.”
The villain inclined their head. Then they turned and started away. “Luckily not.”
“Luckily not,” the henchman huffed in echo, following short behind. “Extremely insightful as always, boss.”
“Hm.”
They luckily didn’t stumble into any more traps on their way back.
The henchman was so not sleeping that night.
#writing snippet#writeblr#writing#creative writing#snippet#villains#villain x henchman#villain x villain#villain x minion#coincidentally i finished editing two long posts at the same time so maybe the other one will also appear in near future#yes i have more of this little series planned#two more parts i think. not sure how long it'll turn out in the end#not sure how long it'll take me to get around to it either
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How ironic that in a clear effort to be more feminist they completely watered down katara’s character.
She’s meant to be bossy and short tempered and smothering and annoying and traditionally feminine and trying to mother everyone! Women are allowed to be all that and also caring and strong. Her strong connection with Aang was practically nonexistent until the very end (with a couple exceptions), and where was all the physical affection Katara has always given?
They totally sucked the passion out of her and I think that’s really sad to see that in such a well developed female character.
#it also seems like maybe they heard the parts of the fandom who found her annoying before#she felt more alive near the end but then she rationally discussed challenging pakku with sokka and WHAT?#I actually do think these creators care a lot about this show but they missed on katara and aang as well depending on the episode#I did love the change of her persuading all the female warerbenders to join the fight#also I generally liked the show but I’d like to see them step it up for s2 because I think they can#if they get one#katara#atla
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compilation of all the 2001 aso bits ive made over the past few weeks. for fun
#long post#whenever i get hit in the head at full force with space odyssey autism i end up making one of these. so there may be a part 2#in the near future#baby sensory gifs#2001 a space odyssey#2001 aso#david bowman#hal 9000
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How did Beta find out that Draft killed his mother, did he just go up to him and say “Hey look at what I did” and be proud or did he walk into right into it.
Also I saw your last image with Beta restrained, the one where Draft has blood all on him, is he normally restrained or how did he got that way did Draft do it?
Well Beta found out because it was all over the news and Beta saw it then he was over there in just 5 minutes, when I think of this part I think of red white and black. After Beta got there he jumped on Draft and they started another fight except this was way worse, Beta was biting and Draft was clawing (very bad)
After the swat team and whoever else got them apart they had to put Beta in a muzzle because he kept biting everyone and kept breaking out, and Draft was calm (I think Draft is always calm even after stuff like this) For the rest of the time Draft was getting searched and then got thrown into the truck or car or whatever and then went on his way to court and prison <3) Beta got questioned after that
#Ask#Beta Wally#Draft Wally#Welcome home ask#Draft going to prison <3#Beta going rabid on anyone near by because he's mad#very cute story#going to prison has got to be my favorite part#the end <3#I'll draw draft in one of those orange prison suits or whatever you call them eventually
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had a Riptide concept that’s been eating away at my brain and now I gotta share it–
the Ferin lineage does boat burning (“viking style”) funerals for their family members, with a line of the Navy’s finest archers and the arrows ignited by those who have the fiery powers (which we can currently assume is most of them besides 2 that we know of)
now whatever you do, don’t imagine Ava Ferin lying at rest in a wooden boat drifting just off the coastline of Featherbrook island, surrounded by flowers and mementos of her life, adorned in her formal uniform or favorite dress and decorated with some of her Navy accolades. don’t imagine Jay Ferin, almost 20 years old, standing cliffside as part of the elite archery line, trembling as she nocks her arrow. her father, who hasn’t spoken a word in days after bringing home the news, mournfully preparing a flame to light the arrow’s point. her mother, with grief filled eyes fixed on Ava’s vessel the entire time, placing a reassuring hand on the shoulder.
don’t imagine Jay having to take one final breath before drawing back her bow, trying her hardest to keep her aim steady as her eyes begin to water, the flame of her arrow the only thing she could make out for a moment before providing the command to shoot with a shaky voice. don’t imagine Jay’s eyes staying trained on her arrow as it falls alongside her own tears, expertly landing just above Ava’s head, it’s fire the first to ignite the deceased captain’s floating pyre before the rest join, then flames rising to light the night as the sun sets.
The Ferin family looks on in silence for some time, but Jay is the only one who stays until Ava’s fire has been completely burned out.
#I like to think about angst in my spare time#near the end of writing this part of me was like ‘what if Jay has seen Ava as part of the archery line at one point’#like fairly recently too#so it all just hurts her more#god why does the Ferin family have to be so tragic#just roll with it#just roll with it podcast#just roll with it riptide#jrwi#jrwi podcast#jrwi riptide#jrwi jay#jrwi jay ferin#jrwi ava#jrwi ava ferin
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crying screaming throwing up at the latest Lionheart update – only amplified by my listening to the Tortured Poets Department (anthology) while reading. What are your favourite songs from the album? and what would be Hermione and Draco's faves?
favorites: So Long London, BDILH, Florida, Guilty as Sin, The Bolter
Guilty as Sin? is the one that I'll be using for my imaginary blorbo music videos for a while, personally. BDILH is going to be the new star-crossed-lovers edit audio on TikTok from now til the heat-death of the universe, and I personally am going to enjoy that. The Bolter is the best storytelling, and I think its specificity is its strength.
I think Hermione and Draco are 90's babies, and I have self-indulgently projected my own taste for 80's/90's altrock onto both of them. I think Daphne would go full Swiftie in a hot minute, though. Would go nuts for the Alchemy. (It's me, I'm Daph.)
#greenteacup asks#that being said. i have been listening to the alchemy on repeat for the past two hours. so.#btw I just noticed 'so high school' uses the same chord progression as 'long live' which is notoriously a prom anthem#which is why I listened to it and was like oh I love it! :) and then I was like wait. I've heard this before. why do I think I love it#wait you — YOU WROTE THIS SONG ALREADY#I DON'T like this I like the OTHER one because it played at MY prom and I have Emotional Attachments to it#which of course is part of the point. you attach yourselves to these songs because they can hold projection!#swift is fully aware of this and it's why she's pivoted towards this style of music over the more confessional parts of folklore#the last 50% of Florida is one of the best parts of her discography and florence welch should be a permanent swift producer. by the way.#and if all of florida was like that it would be on every playlist about sad blorbos until the end of TIME#but they let JACK ANTONOFF NEAR IT — no i won't speak.
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will wood in case i die.... save me...... save me in case i die will wood.....
#emotional state died clearly#allisters yapping#also no i dont have a fave album.... i love all will wood songs ewually........#will wood#in case i die#i love how pure live albums are i listen to the live tapeworms album as well#i love the songs but hearing the audience too is just so !!!!#like in the main character (live) where he goes “her majesty (rest in piece)” and the audience starts cracking up??!!#same w cicada days. “you were born into themind of.. your.... mom”#and the waybthe audience does the “fuck” in 2012?? and the one “retracing my steps” part near the end as well#also the way the audience keeps forgetting that in the repeat of white knuckle jerk it ends at "oh lordl#i lovr live albums sorry guys
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Having a great time playing Killer Frequency. Behold my KFAM mug collection
#killer frequency#it's the only thing keeping me sane ok I've hit the scary tense parts near the end#my mugs...ohhh my mugs........#idk how many there are but at at guess about 12#it all started with me grabbing the one on the shelf next to the desk and I just. carried on#when peggy said we could go strech our legs i may have grabbed all the ones from in the lounge nextdoor#there's like. 6 under where the coffee maker is#needless to say im helplessly dependant on all pf them#i genuinely think I've found them all
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"oh the loki in the series isn't the same as the one in infinity war because he got several movies-worth of character development scrapped. the tva version is all the way back from avengers 1, that's why."
ok but have you considered that maybe that doesn't even make sense for avengers 1 loki.?
#like the tva variant loki is supposed to be branched off from avengers 1 loki#but there isn't even any resemblance in that sense?#like loki's health in a1 was SHIT#he sort of hid it near the end but it still wasn't great#he was literally under influence of the mind stone AND tortured/blackmailed by thanos/the other/the black order#(WHICH IS CANON)#(ITS LITERALLY CANON AND THEY IGNORE AND EVEN CONTRADICT THAT)#he was still pretty graceful in that movie? there were a few scenes something silly/clumsy happened、#but he was able to regain composure in a way that didn't invalidate his gracefulness? or intelligence?#he isn't comically over-animated or energetic either.#he is reserved.#all of that they just take away the moment the series starts#also loki speaks allspeak???? which literally was shown in a1 but then scrapped in like the first scene of the loki series?#AND IT WASNT EVEN JUST IN TERMS OF PERSONALITY AND CONTINUITY! IT WAS THE COSTUMING TOO!#like that was NOT what his hair looked like???#very obviously??#one of the main parts of a1 fandom was making fun of loki's long greasy spiky “christmas tree” hair?????#i hate this. i hate everything.#loki#mcu loki#anti loki series#anti loki show#loki series criticism#loki series hate#loki series critical#loki show hate#loki show critical#loki show criticism#unityrain.txt
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OPQ, my beloved. I have dubbed this drabble Pizza Parlor, aka what I think would have happened if part 1 had a happy ending instead (cw/tw: blood/violence mentions):
"Fuck, it's bright." Those were the first words spoken after a few minutes of silence while the group walked up the stairs. Benito wad the one to speak first, as he opened the door. The door opened to a forest and a dirt path. "Where are we?" Lucie asked, barely walking up the stairs herself as she was being held up by Diego. Luis was just behind them, holding Emi's hand and Jeffrey on his back. There was the sound of cars not too far away. They were close to civilization. "No fucking clue, but we're probably close to a city." Benito was the first out the door closely followed by the rest of the group. They walked down the path when they entered the city from a sideroad. People looked at them with odd and concerned looks as they walked by. Five adults and one young teen, all covered in blood, was definitely concerning, to say the least.
"Is it just me, or is anyone else starving?" Diego asks, adrenaline running low.
"I could eat." Luis responds, followed by the other three agreeing. Emi didn't say anything.
"You know what I'm craving?" Benito asks, getting slightly confused looks from the other five. He was shielding his eyes with his hands. "Pizza." He states simply. Jeffrey mumbles something along the lines of 'fuck yes' into Luis' back. Nobody else had any disagreement with that plan of getting pizza. "Where are we? What are we going to pay with?" Lucie asks again as she attempts to bandage herself while they walk. "We can pay with card, you know." Luis responds again, as nobody knows where they are. "That really doesn't help us figure out where we are." Lucie sighs. "Don't worry, Lucie. We'll figure it out." Diego tries his best to be comforting. Lucie smiles back at him.
Now, here they are, sitting in a booth at a pizza parlor. The minimum wage cashier gave them odd looks, similar to those on the street. They ordered a large half cheese, half pepperoni pizza, and some bread sticks, though they knew they probably would order more later. When it arrived, nobody waited to take a piece of food.
"Let's agree to never do that again." Jeffery spoke, still trying not to die, sat between Luis and Diego.
"Never again." Diego speaks before he takes a large bite of a cheese slice.
"I'll agree to that." Lucie was a bit muffled as she had already taken a bite of breadstick and was covering her mouth.
"Whatever you say, pizzaboy." Benito was already on his second slice of pepperoni.
"Good idea." Luis responds between bites of slice of cheese pizza. Emi slowly nibbles on a bit of a breastick, but she did have a slice of pepperoni pizza on her plate that Lucie put there to encourage her to eat.
Around halfway through their third pizza and fourth order of breadsticks. Suddenly, Benito snaps his fingers. "Fuck, we left Mikael alive."
"Welp..." Jeffery hums, resting his head on the table.
"It's probably fine, right?" Diego asks, looking at Benito.
"Shit!" Luis responds, hitting the table, getting a groan from Jeffrey.
"Dammit." Lucie responds, lightly shoving Luis for hitting the table as she was also resting on the table.
They leave with a fourth pizza in a box and two more orders of breadsticks, much to the joy of the cashier. They get a large hotel room for the night, and they'll figure out where they are in the morning.
#ordem paranormal quarentena#opq#opq drabble#opq benito#opq lucie#opq diego#opq luis#opq emi#opq jeffrey#opq mikeal#theyre a found family youre honor#i wanted to write a happy ending#this idea came to me near the end of part one before it was revealed there is more#i could not decide where they are so theyre either somewhere in centeral america or canda
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A young Christopher Lee guest stars as dastardly Larry Spence - a rising star in the world of journalism, turned blackmailer and then murderer - in The Vise: The Final Column (1.16, ABC, 1955); the episode wasn't seen in the UK until 1963, as part of ITV drama anthology Tension
#fave spotting#christopher lee#the vise#tension#1955#the final column#for more information on the complicated origins of The Vise (a US production entirely made in the UK) see my prev fave spotting post for#Jacqueline Hill's appearance on the series#Lee was hardly a newcomer when he made this ep; he'd been acting professionally since being demobbed a couple of years after ww2 and#was something of a stock player in british cinemas‚ usually in minor bit parts as caddish gentlemen or authority figures and military men#one of his first really significant roles would be later in '55 as a submarine commander in The Cockleshell Heroes#he was also making semi regular appearances on tv in small guest spots‚ albeit sometimes uncredited (as in ITV's The Adventures of the#Scarlet Pimpernel also around this time). a jobbing actor‚ basically‚ and not yet the cinematic icon he would begin (that journey starting#at the end of the decade and the beginning of his association with Hammer studios and horror immortality). he's very good here tho#host and narrator Ron Randell even describes him near the start of the ep as (something like) 'young‚ handsome‚ but sinister' which#may as well have been printed on business cards for the kind of work Lee would find himself doing for the next decade or so#yes he's a real rotter‚ a strangler of ladies and a blackmailer of tycoons‚ and in true Vise fashion he gets his just desserts and the mora#status quo is maintained (this is a very moral series and takes pains to inform us via Randell exactly what kind of punishment the villains#received after the events depicted)#Lee made two more Vise episodes but as Network (rip beloved) seemingly took a random approach to which episodes to include in their#first volume of the series (and obviously as it turned out only volume) i have no idea if either of those are on the set#one can hope! and i do bc it's lovely seeing him so young but with such a meaty role
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they werent lying that knuckles series barely has knuckles in it
#i pirated that shit Btw just so we're clear. also gonna talk about it a little bit in the tags#nothing too spoilery but also might not wanna read if you want to go in knowing absolutely nothing? idk#anyway he WAS a main character still he was present for a decent amount of the first couple episodes#but the amount of screentime he gets just starts dropping after that . hes barely there at all in the second half ???#and it feels like theres a lot of scenes mostly focusing on wade and his problems and not near as many for knuckles and his whole deal#overall it feels more like a wade show with knuckles in it than a knuckles show with wade in it. which sucks#and human characters having plot relevance isnt the problem here i dont mind human characters at all i think they can be really fun#its the fact that the human characters are taking over the story and spotlight when the show is called knuckles#and all the marketing makes it look like knuckles is the main focus#and i also would have preferred if they just went with a differnet character to be knuckles' human friend#because i dont particulraly care about wade. and the knuckles (and sonic and tails) i know would not be friends with cops </3#well at least the story wasnt knuckles training wade to be a better cop like a lot of people were expecting but thats like.the bare minimum#also aside from the issues relating to knuckles' screentime (or lack of screentime) i thought the ending was unsatisfying#regardless of all that though there WERE some parts i enjoyed or found kind of funny or whatever. because knuckles so cutesy as always#knuckles being a cute little guy is the most important part of the show actually#and i liked the parts with sonic tails and maddie even if they were only there for like 5 minutes#(i really wish those three had gotten more screentime. i feel like they could have easily worked in at least one more scene with them)#and its a minor thing but the opening sequence is cute. was honestly expecting just a title card or something#overall the show is just . kind of okay i guess. not the worst thing ive ever seen but still disappointing ? idk how to explain..#my expectations also werent very high in the first place#so maybe im being a bit more generous than i would have been otherwise. idk#and i definitely would not recommend this to anyone who already dislikes the sonic movies . youll probably hate this more#like people who thought the human characters got too much screentime in the second movie would lose their minds if they saw this
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