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katyahina · 19 days

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Godwyn and Fortissax fucked + I have an idea WHY Godrick's genes are so weak (his closest relatives' too)

Short post but I really like this topic hfhfdsf Okay so I double-checked the description of Draconian Tarnisheds and Godrick's dialogue, and:

The notion about Tarnisheds with dragonic roots having shorter lifespans makes me think that this is the reason; dragons and human(oids) are not the best mix! Godrick's closest ancestors might have had actual connections with dragons! Since it IS possible:

Dragons can shapeshift, so yeah.. existence of dragonian Tarnisheds likely implies that Godwyn and Fortissax fucked fsdhfdhs I assume her not just because of them being close, but also because she is unique amongst Ancient Dragons in being dark-colored and these Tarnished have coal skin,

At first I wondered if Fortissax' color might have been an effect of corruption, but then, again: if all Ancient Dragons are just stone grey, Draconic Tarnisheds could have had stone grey skin then because whatever connection made Draconic people had to happen before Godwyn became Prince of Death! Her corruption should then be referring to her losing a lot of her skin, with so much more gold insides showing through, and dark skin of this type of Tarnished revealing her actual color! (+ also post ( x ) on WHY I believe Fortissax is a she)

As for Godrick's and his close relatives and ancestors like Godefroy! Whereas Ancient Dragons refers to the rocky dragons from Farum Azula, there is another kind of dragons - feathered Greyoll's kind of dragons!

I used one of the babies around Greyoll and Agheel as volunteers, but you can see the dragon's body Godrick uses is certainly the same type of the dragon! Again, wings of Ancient Dragons for comparison, are also rocky and lack the feathers:

This makes sense that the branch of dragons Godrick is apparently related to is that of Greyoll's! We never see him use anything bolt-like, however, he does use wind-based attacks, like the rest of the Stormveil. His children do so too!

^ Worth to mention that Dragon Communion has connection with Godfrey (lion face is his mark), but the dragons laying in these churches are the Ancient types! These might be remnants of war with Gransax and others, since they did try to "defeat dragons by becoming them" as set of Dragonic Sentinels suggests! @fantomette22 offered another idea that maybe these Ancient Dragons instead were 'keepers' of these churches, and somehow had conflict with Greyoll's line of dragons. So, these churches came after Godwyn made peace between Ancient Dragons and Golden Order, and people were supposed to specifically consume hearts of Greyoll's dragons, not Ancient!

I don't know which idea I am leaning towards more, but I wanted to bring the Dragon Communion up just in case! Still, Godrick calls the dragon a relative and shows frail health, whereas act of eating dragon hearts gives you serpentine's eyes and makes you into a wyrm (most likely gradually lol). None is seen on him or his children, so I assume relation refers to mixing blood, not to the act of him or his ancestors consuming the hearts! In other words, if Ancient Dragons could turn into humanoids and have children (+descendants like Draconic Tarnished), maybe Greyoll's type could do this as well? 🤔

@val-of-the-north on the other hand, suggested an idea that rather than Greyoll's type of dragons being directly involved, it is all the same kind of genes of Ancient Dragons but having "evolved" into being like Greyoll's type! So, like her kind of dragons are more 'earthly' type, that evolved from Ancient Dragons straying further from perfection and divinity but instead adapting to whatever effects them (looking at you, Dark Souls!), similarly Ancient Dragon genes IN Golden Lineage changed too. And in roughly the same from-stone-to-feather manner, to mirror evolution (or corruption?) of the dragons themselves! I think this idea is very good in terms of how Fromsoft can't have enough of reusing the concepts!

^ Grafted Scions are also showing grey hair, despite being very young! It is not all grey yet and original color is likely black; same as hair of wandering nobles, which would make sense for whatever women Godrick slept with apparently to be noble too. Early grey hair could be manifestation of this poor health and shortened lifespan! Maybe humans with dragon blood in mix die early because they age early, but for Demigods it is just early aging.

(Video by Zullie the Witch ( x )) ^ At this rate I wonder whether these wings and feathers were actually grafted though, of they are sort of a side-effect of this "heritage" xd Like, sure, Stormveil is very much associated with the hawks, but modern Dragons ALSO having feathers makes me wonder! Especially since Godrick himself doesn't have any wings and feathers grafted on him, but the Noble Scions do.. Imagine feathers just showing on them because they are young, and maybe Godrick also used to grow feathers but they fell out by now due to simply his age!

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Conclusion: don't have children with the dragons while Godfrey isn't looking or something they will turn out kinda sick and frail idk

#elden ring #godrick the grafted #grafted scion #lichdragon fortissax #elden ring theory #elden ring headcanons #not art #text post #elden ring reference #screenshots #tbh Val's idea IS very good because that was kinda what happened with dragons in DS!#like notice how ancient dragons are fine but Greyoll's type adapts to every other environment element #like scarlet rot or glintstone or ice!#@dlc I am waiting for my Sleep dragon xd

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slugcatmusings · 6 months

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What is the Rot? Why is the Rot?

Spoiler Warning and Holy Wall of Text Batman Warning. I got WAY too into questioning the turbo-cancer here, hopefully my rambling makes sense.

So, the Rot is… weird, from a biological standpoint. Really weird, if you stop to think about it. It’s most frequently described as some variation of cancer, and it certainly fits the criteria for it. Caused by damage to DNA? Check. Multiplies uncontrollably? Check. Comes in both benign and malignant forms, one stationary and the other mobile? Big fat check. Heck, even the Rot cysts eating other creatures kind of fits, according to some research I’ve done – there are apparently cancer cells that will eat other cells, which makes sense in hindsight since cancer cells are cells that have lost important genetic restrictions, which may include whatever lets cells identify other cells as “do not eat.”

(I ain’t a biology whiz and I’m doing research on the fly while getting my thoughts out here, so take whatever I say about biology with a grain of salt)

So, Rot is clearly cancer of some kind, right? Case closed. Except when me and a friend of mine were talking Rain World theories on Discord, she brought up some interesting points that got me thinking.

First point: Rot cells obviously mutate in a way that affects FAR more than just cell replication and termination. Some of the cysts can HEAR. As far as I know, cells in the body do not hear sounds. They communicate via chemical signals and maybe, MAYBE react to temperature. Hearing involves complicated, specialized sensory apparatus to pick up on vibrations in the air. Even if you simplify it and say that it’s only vibrations, that’s STILL a multicellular thing, not a single-cell thing. It’s something that took millions of years to evolve on Earth, if not billions.

And while Rain World’s timeline goes on for long enough that it those kinds of mutations might happen eventually, Rot cysts have the ability to hear pretty much right from the start – because even the Proto-Long-Legs react to your presence like the Daddy Long Legs do, and the Rot in Spearmaster’s campaign, where Pebbles has recently contracted it, reacts the same way as it does in later campaigns. It’s already able to hear.

As far as I know, cancer just means the same cell duplicating over and over again. Are more mutations possible with each division, as errors are made in the DNA during splitting? Probably. But not to THAT extent. There’s no way a lump of cancer somehow mutated the exact complicated genetic blueprint needed to grow organs, at least not without outside interference.

Second point: Cases of Rot are way too consistent across the board. Now, we don’t have a huge sample size to work from, but from what we see from both Pebbles’ Rot, and Hunter Long Legs, they’re… pretty similar. Hunter Long Legs is basically a mobile Rot cyst. They move the same way, seem to grow the same way (starts as a growth inside/on the body before eventually freeing itself from whatever wall/flesh it grew from in some capacity and moving elsewhere), they have the same senses, and they even eat the same way, via something like phagocytosis (how white blood cells “eat” invading organisms via engulfing them and breaking them down in a sac in their main “body.”)

Now, this doesn’t tell us much, because cancer, when it does emerge, is pretty consistent in symptoms/what the mutated cells do once they start replicating. It’s pretty much the same regardless of whatever organism the cancer is happening in. But what ISN’T consistent is what causes the DNA error in the cancer cell in the first place. IRL, cancer can be caused by all kinds of things – smoking, radiation poisoning, being out in the sun too long, drinking deadly chemicals and whatnot, anything that damages DNA. But in RW, the only time we ever hear Rot talked about, or see it present, is in the context of an iterator having f*cked up while mucking around with DNA. Pebbles was trying to create an organism that could change his own genome, and No Significant Harassment created Hunter as a messenger and probably mucked something up in the process in his haste to get them to Moon.

This doesn’t mean that there aren’t other causes of it, of course, we’re working with a sample size of two in an apocalyptic world with who knows how much potentially DNA-damaging stuff around, but… that’s still awfully consistent.

So, combining these points and everything we know to be canon, Rot is:

an organism that lives inside another organism

Until a certain condition is met, it cannot harm said host organism.

Once said condition is met, it goes out of control, wreaking havoc on the organism’s systems and mutating, giving it sensory capabilities and an appetite

Said condition is apparently someone messing up when re-arranging genomes, in yourself or others

It is widespread across multiple different species, at least iterators and slugcats but potentially other species as well.

Once you have a bad case of it, it is apparently NOT CURABLE. Pebbles tried everything he could think of but apparently exhausted all of his options by the time of the Survivor/Monk campaigns.

So, with all the context FINALLY laid out, here’s my wild theory: Rot isn’t a cancer. It’s a symbiote turned parasite. Specifically, I believe it’s a symbiotic microbe that lives inside the cells that make up every other creature in Rain World, and is held in check by a specific gene that all species share, and altering or getting rid of that gene causes it to go berserk, taking over and eventually mutating the host cells.

Yeah, I did watch Parasite Eve let’s plays as a kid, why do you ask? Anyway, hear me out here.

There is precedence for single-celled organisms living inside of other single-celled organisms. They’re referred to as intracellular endosymbiots (hopefully I got the spelling right there), and the most well-known one is probably the mitochondria. The powerhouse of the cell is thought to be descended from some bacteria way, WAY back that was engulfed by a larger cell and not only survived it, but BENEFITED from it. Since then those ancient proto-mitochondria and eukaryotic cells have mutually evolved to be dependent on each other. So it’s entirely possible for something similar to have happened in Rain World.

However, I don’t think it happened NATURALLY, here. Because something that’s able to take over a cell entirely and begin wildly mutating it is NOT something your average cell wants inside of it. There’s a VERY high chance of extinction if you do that. Which means that of course those funky bio-tech loving Ancients either took a look at a wildly dangerous cellular parasite and went “hmmm we can use this” or made one themselves.

Why did they do this? Who knows! Currently, I’m tied between “they needed a better powerhouse for the cell to power the various weird adaptations they’re building into various creatures,” “there was some sort of disease that this parasite gave immunity against and they wanted to make use of it,” and “it gave their creations massively powerful regeneration factors that made them much easier to maintain.” Possibly it was all three. Whatever the reason, the Ancients either found or created this parasite, and put it into their creations’ cells, hoping to reap the benefits.

Well, they got the benefits, but they also got a microbe that hijacked the cells and harnessed their pre-existing DNA blueprints to build organisms disguised as great big blobs of cancer. Which is not exactly ideal, but hey, they just had to figure out a way of keeping the cell hijacking from happening! And the way they ended up going about it was to alter the thing so that so long as there was a specific DNA sequence in the cell, it laid mostly dormant. All the benefits, none of the risks – so long as that specific string of genes remained intact.

And then BECAUSE it was so beneficial, they spread their artificial symbiote and it’s genetic reins throughout ALL of their creations, from the smallest pipe-cleaning slugs to the iterators. Which meant that as their purposed organisms replaced most of the original ecosystem, they spread the symbiote as well. Thus making it possible for pretty much ANY creature on the planet to come down with a bad case of the Rot. And with the iterators, I wouldn’t be surprised if this symbiote is tied to their self-destruction taboos. Try to cross yourself out? Well, it’s gonna maybe happen now, but it’ll be a slow painful death as you’re eaten alive from the inside and all your own parts turn against you, so was it really worth it?

And they never told their creations this perhaps even actively hid it, because why tell them the cause of the main deterrent to them mucking with their taboos? They might find a way around it. The iterators were left ignorant of how Rot works, and because of this they never figured out that Rot HAD a cure after all: rebuilding that genome that reins in the symbiote. Because why in the name of the Void would they repeat the same mistakes that gave them Rot in the first place, and potentially make it worse?

#rain world #rain world worldbuilding #serious musings #rain world headcanons #rw rot #the rot #rain world rot #rain world turbo cancer #which is not actually cancer #yes i Parasite Eved the shit out of the Rot #yes that is a verb now I take no criticisms #anywho the Rot is a byproduct of the ancients Fucking Shit Up on Purpose #and it DOES have a cure damn it #I'm not giving the robots not-actually-cancer and NOT giving them at least a chance to cure it #not mentioned above is the fact that depending on the genes altered along with the restraining gene #you might get rot with fun mutations like being able to jump from organism to organism #or Rot that outright assimilates cells from other organisms #amongst other things #plenty of FUN stories to play with there >:D

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deathshallbethelastenemy · 9 months

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AT LEAST GIVE ME MY FUCKING SON BACK YOU UGLY ANCIENT FUCKING DINOSAUR YOU ALREADY MURDERED MY HUSBAND WITH A FUCKING CT THAT WASN'T EVEN YOURS YOU FUGLY BITCH MY BEAUTIFUL SON MEGUMI CARRIED YOU

#im upset #might delete later #GIVE ME MEGUMI BACK #SUKUNA CAN GO ROT IN HELL #IF YOUR ANCIENT ASS DOESNT GIVE ME MEGUMI BACK #IM GOING TO GO INTO THOSE MANGA PANELS MYSELF #WHERE IS MEGUMI FUSHIGURO #jjk #gojo satoru #jujustu kaisen #megumi fushiguro #jjk 236 #jjk spoilers

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relaxxattack · 8 months

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every day i get so, so fucking sad that the mspa forums were lost and i can’t go and look back at the screaming reactions and fanart for when the trolls appearances’ first dropped or for when the kids were revealed to be related

#internet rot genuinely kills me it is more of a shame than i can even fucking express #i want to go dust off the ancient texts… i want to see the earliest forms of vriskcourse from 2012 preteens..#seriously want to cry i can’t believe it’s gone FOREVER.#<- ignore me im having a moment #homestuck #op

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spotsupstuff · 11 months

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what would happen if Caper got the rot way earlier? Like say before Sparrows died.

you are asking that as if it didn't happen canonically ;)c

just like cancer, the Rot was always a thing. so the Ancients would've known how to handle it. and Sparrows, as an Iterator Mechanic graduate, would do just that. handle it. normally it'd be snipped early at the bud, but Euros did a stupid

#rain world #rw #rw ancients #iterator oc #oc: three sparrows #oc: caper of euros #my art #you know how i said that euros has done some dumb shit in order to protect sparrows? yeah.... keepin the fact that he fucked up one of his-#-few experiments and got the Rot a secret for a few months is high on that list. very high. he thot he could handle it alone until he-#-started havin power outages in the lab wing. then he had to tell sparrows cuz shed notice anyway. she was beyond Fucking Pissed

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drawwithmis · 5 months

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hey........ what IS major and kens problem w eachother. i must know

Here... have fun

The ancients are still unnamed, and do not have a design... I'm still not happy with it :(

#rainworld #rain world #iterator #rain world oc #iterator oc #rw oc mi #rot au #rw oc ken #rw oc bee #rw ancients #lore

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foursaints · 1 month

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ur vibes to me are like we are in a dark academia novel coquette fans on tiktok recommend and we are two weird off putting individuals in an environment which shuns us and thus we form a bond that time only strengthens . perhaps we decide to commit some sort of weird freaky experiment on someone we have observed will not be missed to forever bond us by the weird and indescribable . ur like a broken jewelry box with antique jewelry both second hand and passed down by family …. i am like a teddy bear w tear tracks n weird blood stains n frayed ribbon that has been used to string over the years … perpetually in a state of similar opposites …. i think it would be fun to watch trash tv with you and do serious character analysis . i also get the vibe from u of like … hating the purposefully frayed and broken for the bit. this is not true to the saints aesthetic all of your frayed edges are natural and come from love and time . you are not faking this faking this is a cop out !!!! also i can see you doing archery seems like a very saints hobby … i feel as if this anonymous analysis may be very obvious but !! 😊

hello ivy

#a #if this isn't ivy i'm going to be so embarrassed but it HAS to be. i love you sm forever and ever... i couldn't have put it better myself #let's rot on the top shelf of a china cabinet in an antique shop together for 1 million years #sidenote: what you said about faux-frayed edges... YES!!!!! it's just me and my ancient Maryjanes & hand-darned clothes against the world..#you're imbuing items of clothing with memories by wearing them out. or whatever the fuck !!!!!

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cits-kirby-brainrot · 1 year

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So the waddle dee I drew a few days back?

Yeah, I came up with lore.

(I am ignoring any lore given by the light novels as I know nothing of them, apologies)

+ Bonus:

Gala’s traumatic childhood in the making

#kirby series #kirby papi #papi kirby #not sure which one to use #galacta knight #making headcanons don’t mind me #cw: gore #cw: injury #implied death #man I love angst #gala’s trauma is slowing being ironed out #ignore me I may have a rotting brain #my stuff #the ancients #I guess???#the butterfly #I’m hesitant to tag Morpho knight

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elystelleven · 4 months

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I imagine a modern AU scenario where Vanilla is invited by Strawberry Crepe to play some video games and is interested to buy some for him and his wife, but the catch is that he is literally so. God. Awful. At almost every single genre there is to the point where it pisses Crepe off so the only kind of games he bought are farming sims. Just straight-up, farming sims. Not even a different kind of cozy game, though Crepe tried to gift him a few puzzle and rhythm-based ones just to add some variety to his selection, but it still isn't too effective because that old geezer sucks THAT bad.

(P.S. I'm not implying that farming or life sims are for losers I'm just saying that PV would definitely pour hours onto his Animal Crossing island or something)

White Lily on the other hand... I imagine her having a bit more tech literacy than Vanilla somehow (being the smart one and working as a scientist and all) and is a literal god at puzzle and rhythm games for some unknown reason to the point where even her own husband and the other Ancients find her terrifying. Not a single breathing person knows how she reached that level of skill, and that's only the icing on the cake of how eccentric of a cookie she can be. That sopping wet cat...

#cookie run #cookie run kingdom #cookie run headcanons #white lily cookie #pure vanilla cookie #purelily #ancient cookies #got a little too silly #modern au #headcanons #a little ooc but idc #random shower thoughts #about a cookie game of all things #dont ask how I made these up my brain has rotted THAT hard #silliest married couple I've ever seen #i love them <3 #Pure Vanilla is definitely a big fucking dork who loves his wife but that's okay because she loves him as well #strawberry crepe cookie

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2334242xiao · 2 years

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暗表 log Training AI ☆BO

Honestly I brainrotted over ancient Egyptian puzzleshipping. Yugi isn't Egyptian BTW, he's Most likely asiatic /lybian(hence why he isn't wearing Egyptian clothing until his teenager years and atem jokingly calls him 'enemy' jokingly.) the only reaosn he doesn't get much shiz is bcuz atem likes him.

And then cues the 50+ chapter slow brun fanfic I have delusioned in my head.

#puzzleshipping #yugioh #yugi mutou #pharaoh atem #yami yugi #alternate universe #ancient egypt #yugioh duel links #xiaos rotting brain

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