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“That’s it! I give up!” Phantom yelled. As though he had said something blasphemous, all fighting stopped as the participants stared in confusion. “You humans think you’re the paragon of all existence, proclaiming that anything different is lesser. Well we aren’t! We’re just as sentient as you are, and we have thoughts and feelings! You just choose to ignore it so you can justify your xenophobic actions!”
Phantom turned to Technus, who had frozen in shock as Phantom went on his tirade. “And you! Tell the other ghosts I’m done saving them, too, because none of you care! You don’t care if property is destroyed, or if humans get hurt, or if other ghosts get hurt! All you care about is your stupid Obsessions! You’re too caught up in your own mind to see what you’re doing to everyone around you!”
“But your Obsession is Protection, is it not? You’ve never stepped down from a fight-“ Technus began. Phantom didn’t let him finish.
“My Obsession is Space! If I had my way, I’d spend my nights stargazing, or maybe even on the moon! Instead I’m stuck cleaning up your messes because you can’t control yourselves!” Phantom growled. He glared at the crowd of people who had gathered, curious as to why all fighting had stopped.
“Humans are cruel and hateful. Ghosts are ignorant and careless. I’m tired of wasting my time protecting both sides from the other and being blamed for it. I quit. If anyone dies, or is captured, it’s no longer my problem.“
Like that, Phantom vanished.
The Fentons celebrated, not even noticing Technus make his own escape. The crowd murmured, worry just as prevalent as confidence. The few phones that were recording the event were put away, and later the footage would be checked. Unfortunately, most recordings were corrupted beyond recognition.
Most, but not all.
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Amity Park. Ground Zero for the start of the war between the Living and the Dead. Humanity and Ghosts.
Why it had only recently escalated to this, Batman couldn’t tell. His research found that there had been a portal opened to the Realms years ago, and the laws passed just a year after that. Most of the town was stuck behind an information blackout that the government refused to give access to. Whatever happened, Constantine assured him that it was almost certainly the government’s fault.
After almost three weeks of trying to get beyond the firewalls, he finally figured it out. “Research” that claimed ghosts were nothing but evil. News articles calling “Phantom” a troublemaker. Forums that spoke about how “Phantom” ruined the town while fighting other ghosts.
A video, old and grainy but still clear enough to be used as evidence. A glowing, white-haired boy that told everyone he was done. That he was tired of fixing everything. Of saving everyone. That nobody was good, everyone was bad, and they were on their own.
They used to have a hero, but Phantom left. Without him, both sides tore at each other until there was nothing but an all-out assault. They needed to stop this, but without a mediator they would not make it through to the ghosts.
If they could find Phantom, perhaps they could fix everything before it was too late.
#Quasar AU#danny phantom#dc x dp#dp x dc#danny fenton#justice league#batman#basic summary: Danny gives up and leaves#after he leaves the ghosts grow bolder with nobody to stop them#and the hunters grow meaner#and after a lot of back and forth a ghost child is captured and killed#that makes the entire Realms rally for war#the JL are trying to figure out what made it this bad#the portal’s been open for a long time why now???#finally they see this one video#and all these news articles#and oh no#the one who was preventing the war was run off ages ago#they need to find him#and fast#part 1
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Villain: The Gleebringer Battalions
Gallard Gleebringer only ever wanted to make people happy. By using his skills as a toymaker and inventor he sought to fill the world with devices that would bring wonder, and save people from the drugery of labor to give them more time for play.
Seeking to save his neighbours from the horrors of war, and under the patronage of the battlehungry local margrave, Gallard has a constructed an autonomous army of toy soldiers that in some weeks time will go berserk and begin rampaging across the land, playing out an inexplicable war-game that will leave villages sacked and the entire region destabilized.
It’s up to the party to notice the looming crisis and do something about it before the toys begin their march, As the powers that be are not only blind to the looming crisis but actively dismissive of any
Adventure Hooks:
Scraping together enough coin to fund a construct army has left the margrave’s treasury more than a little tight pursed, leading them to skimp on things like repairing infrastructure, public festivals, and resupplying their garrisons. There’s plenty of opportunities for adventurers as bandits and monsters propagate through the wilderness, and the lesser nobles rely on mercenaries to guard their holdings. Its only so long before the cracks begin to show however, as roads wash out and the realms defenders turn to brigandry.
The party end up in a tavern drinking with an old military officer previously employed by the margrave. She’s iresome and illtempered, but she’ll crawl out of her cups long enough to tell the tale of how after twenty years of loyal service she was let go for protesting when some of the troops under her command were killed in a training exercise. If the party press a little she might just let it slip that it wasn’t training so much as a field test of Gleebringer’s machines, which her boss insisted be against real troops. Later on, they’ll find an official bounty posted for the woman, who’s rallied some of her fellow discontented soldiers and started on a campaign of sabotage.
For his part Gleebringer is quite blind to the looming threat, having been carried by his ever shifting attention to yet another new project once the design and manufacture of the armies were complete. The party might get a chance to talk to him however if they manage to sneak into the excursive exposition he's hosting in the province's capital, either by riding in on the coattails of a wealthy patron, or by sneaking in among the serving staff. Actually getting an audience with the toymaker will be even more difficult as the margrave has set his agents to watch and protect Gleebringer, and it's only so long before they notice the uninvited guest have crashed the private function.
Setup: While many gnomes dabble in artifice, it was early in his apprenticeship with the village toymaker that a young Gallard discovered both his love and prodigious talent for the technical arts. It wasn't just a magical knack, it was an eye for detail that had people saying that the gnome's creations seemed to be alive long before he figured out how to make them move on their own.
Soon Gleebringer toys were in demand across kingdoms, and Gallard found himself not only patronized by innumerable wealthy merchants and nobles but sought out by engineers and craftsfolk of all kinds who realized the genius packed away in his creations.
Gallard didn't let the fame or the fortune go to his head, instead using his growing connections and commission budget to experiment with even more complex designs. For example: scaling up from music boxes to clockwork bands, and eventually an automated opera house.
As a man who dreamed all his life of building a flying town, it was safe to assume that Gallard had his head in the clouds. He hated to see people suffer but seldom thought through the implications of his inventions, Such as when an automated lumber mill intended to supply materials for his projects put an entire town of foresters out of work. This penchant for distraction was only encouraged by the margrave, who saw the military applications of Gleebringer's gifts from the moment a clockwork dragon bought for one of his children ended up badly maiming one of the servants who saught to tidy up the toyblock castle it had been charged with guarding.
Over the past ten years, the Margrave has become Gallard's most generous patron, supplying him with workshops ( staffed by apprentaces who's loyalty can be counted on) and an endless series of new projects ( which always end up increasing the margrave's power and standing at the cost of the common good).
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#villain#villain noble#villain artificer#artifice#construct#bounty#city encounter#tavern encounter#town encounter#gnome
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Hello, i Hope this Is not sudden but i have been reading your fanfics these last few days and i have to day that i really like them.
Satan is my favorite obey me character and i love reading fanfics that contain angst from him. One of my favourites Is the fanfic you wrote "just like Lilith" it's amazing. Anyway i have a request that you might like, how would the demon brothers react if Satan became an ángel?, if the celestial realm decided to put Satan out of his misery?.
It's a strange idea that crossed my mind but i thought It was interesting, you don't have to put all the brothers if It causes you any problemas, but the way english is not my fiesta language so i'm sorry for any mistakes.
This Is the only idea i came up with so i Hope you like It, take as much time as you want to write this and keep up the good work.
Have a nice day/night ♡
hello!! I will gladly write this. your english is pretty good!
I'm really glad you like just like lilith!! it was one of my favorites to write and based on a few other requests I've gotten I may be making a part two
fun fact: for this entire thing I wrote Celestia instead of Celestial Realm and only caught it on my read through afterwards (outing myself as a genshin player lol)
please enjoy!
If Satan became an angel
Lucifer
he sees himself almost to the point where it's blinding
Satan's wings are almost identical to his and for once in his life, he's at a loss for what to do
he's at the front of the charge if the Celestial Realm dare to make even a single move against him
one of the few times the two of them have real bonding time, without their rivalry
Mammon
at first, he's a little excited since now Satan would be able to experience what he missed out on
but as time goes on, he realizes he got very few of the benefits he gives him as many tips as he can remember
he's very loyal, so of course he'll follow whatever Lucifer decides to do
he likes the new Satan, but he misses the old Satan
Levi
very apprehensive but curious at the same time
starts to think of all the animes he's watched that might appl but decides not to say anything regarding that
however, once he learns that the Celestial Realm wants to do something about Satan, he becomes Hell's Admiral
if it's war the Celestial realm wants, it's war they'll get
Satan
he's so lost and confused
he's thrown into emotional turmoil and revisits basically all the debates he's had with himself about why he doesn't fit in with his brothers
at first, he accepts his fate of being put out of his misery
but once he sees how much his brothers love him, he's revitalized and ready to join them
Asmo
his first instinct is to check on Satan and see how he's doing
he gives him lessons on how to care for his new wings and uplifts him when he notices he's down
it's easy for Satan to see in those moments why he used to be called the Jewel of the Heavens
he doesn't care what he has to do to keep Satan from the hands of the Celestial Realm, but he doesn't care how far he has to go
Beel
beyond shocked when he learns about what happened
he doesn't need to know how or why this happened, his only goal is to resolve the situation no matter what that means as long as his family comes out safe
the only time Beel had been seen angrier was when either his twin or Mc had been personally threatened
all his rage was directed at the Celestial Realm for even daring to think such a thing, but is such a sweetie to Satan about the whole thing
Belphie
at first, he didn't care since Satan was alright
however, once he learned the implications, he sat up abruptly from his nap and rallied his brothers to make a game plan before they even learned the Celestial Realm would act at all
he initially takes charge, before Lucifer and Satan since they're in shock
it's not often he shows that he cares, but now is one of those times and it tightens the bond between himself, Lucifer, and Satan
Mc (bonus!)
you're there for Satan by his side the entire time
you wipe his tears, soothe his rage, and comfort him through doubt
none of the brothers will let you or Satan be out in any active battle, but that just leaves bonding time even if it's in a highly secure safe room
you let him know no matter what, you'll be there for him
#obey me#obey me!#obey me satan#obey me x reader#obey me asmo#obey me beel#obey me levi#obey me lucifer#obey me mammon#obey me belphie#omswd#obey me shall we date#obey me mc
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An ongoing list of acowar grievances I'm keeping track of while I read (because there's too many to make a post about all of them)
1) Feyre's constant edginess. It's such a bizarre and ham-fisted shift in the voice of the character from the previous book. Too much tell, not enough show
2) "that they thought Rhysand could ever force someone . . . I added that to the long list of things to repay them for.".........lol OK girl
3) Feyre all of a sudden knowing how to use every power she has despite her very limited "training"
4) constant mention of Lucien and Elain's mating bond. Not only do I not give a damn, I REALLY wish it wasn't a thing all together
5) CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MORTAL QUEENS TO ME? WHO TF EVEN ARE THEY?? It's so stupid that they don't get brought up until feyre is a fae like we have no clue the humans even have an overarching government until she's not human anymore. Why are they turning them Fae? What possible advantages can they grant the fae that they don't have already? How tf are there so many queens when the human territory is so small? For that matter, why tf is Hybern going to war over a tiny handful of humans? Why involve this convoluted plot with turning the mortal queens into Fae when it seems like the humans don't even know of their existence so they wouldn't listen to or follow them in the first place
6) this should be dual pov. I would LOVE tamlin's perspective or even lucien's
7) I need WAY more information about the cauldron because it makes no sense
8) this isn't a gripe but I just have to mention how bad I feel for lucien
9) somehow ianthe became 10x MORE boring as a villain. Like you could replace her woth Regina George and the book would be more interesting
10) WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SEXUAL ASSAULT, OH MY FUCKING GOD
11) this whole spying on the spring court thing is stupid, inefficient, and childish. The NC is risking the lives of all the courts doing this shit when they could easily just ACTUALLY TELL THE OTHER COURTS WHATS GOING ON TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO RALLY TOGEYHER AND DEFEND THEMSELVES, form an alliance, and reason with tamlin or attack him if he refuses to listen to reason. Most information they stand to gain from what they're doing is useless in light of how many fae and human lives stand to be lost or displaced
12) WE FUCKING GET IT FEYRE! THERE ARE TWO WOLVES INSIDE YOU! BENEATH YOUR SKIN YOU ARE A WOLF, A MOUNTAIN LION, A PANTHER, A COBRA, A TARANTULA, A BALD EAGLE, AND EVERY OTHER KIND OF PREDATOR UNDER THE SUN!!!!! JFC I GET SYMBOLISM BUT ITS GETTING CRINGE IN HERE
13) that entire ridiculous summer solstice scene in chapter 4
14) FEYRE COMPARING TAMLIN TO ARAMANTHA?! HELLO???????
15) the whole situation with using Lucien to make tamlin jealous is just....icky, idk
16) I almost regret wanting more political intrigue In these novels as it is by far Sarah Janet's weakest suit
17) framing jurian a villain is one of the dumbest decisions ever. Wish he had more screen time though
18) feyre's badass scene w/ the children of the blessed makes me wish that after she became fae, she returned to the human lands, killed/overthrew the mortal queens, said fuck you to tamlin and rhys, and just became queen of the mortal realms, having to earn her people's trust as a fae, protect and defend them, and come to terms w/ her loss of humanity. That would have been so EPIC
19) the entirety of chapter 8
20) the fact that acotar was written. If the series started w/ acomaf I would have a lot less problems. All the constant retconning and inconsistencies in canon and worldbuilding just keep pissing me off, idk I can't look past it
21) I'm losing count and I'm only on chapter 9 so I'm just going to keep reading for now. Might make a part 2 idk
#anti sjm#anti acotar#anti rhysand#anti feysand#anti sarah j maas#anti ic#anti acomaf#anti inner circle#anti acowar
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Why was WRH so stupid?
I've been thinking about this for a while and like, WRH's actions were deeply stupid in a way that turned the whole cultivation world against him in self-defence when, with a bit more patience, he could have wiped out all the Great Clans within five or so years and set himself up as a petty-Emperor of the cultivation world.
If I was WRH, this is how I would do it.
A ten-step plan for world domination.
Step 1: don't attack Cloud Recesses. The pretext was dumb and nobody bought it. Send a polite invitation to a Wen Study Term just like Cloud Recesses'. A POLITE ONE! The clans will acquiesce because nobody wants to rock the boat.
2: now you have to decide whether you want to go after the Jiang, the Lan, or both. I would recommend choosing one - both is too ambitious. The Nie are not an option for reasons that will become clear. I would recommend the Jiang.
3: kill Wen Chao. He's useless anyway, but he's still the son of the sect leader.
4: frame Jiang Cheng (not WWX - WWX can be disavowed, but Jiang Cheng is the sect heir, his actions are, to an extent, the actions of the Jiang Sect) for the death of Wen Chao. It doesn't have to be murder, although it would be best if WC could pick a bunch of fights with JC beforehand so that whatever 'night hunting accident' he dies in can be spun as JC deliberately getting him killed out if rage. (now we see why the Nie are not an option. Nobody would believe that NHS murdered Wen Chao, and if WC got killed on a night hunt because of NHS' incompetence, the Nie can easily say that the Wen knew that Second Young Master Nie is not suited to night hunting so why was he there in the first place? Not that NMJ would do that because the loss of face would probably send him into qi deviation, but best not let it come up)
4a: Massacre the Jiang. Nobody is going to object - and if they do, they won't do it loudly. The loss of a son and heir - because WC is still in the succession, I believe? - is sufficient pretext that nobody is going to object too loudly. If you want to be super practical you can just kill the Jiang inner Disciples and take the sect for yourself, but I feel like WRH does have the manpower to take Lotus Pier and keep industry flowing with civilian labor. No need to risk hostile cultivators at his back.
5: we are now one Great Sect down, and no war. Everyone is kind of 👀 about it because they never thought their own tactics would be turned against a Great Sect like this, but there is sufficient precedent that nobody wants to object too loudly.
6: now you wait. Move too soon and you could scare the Lan and the Nie into uniting against you, and you don't want that. While you're waiting, you consolidate your hold on Yunmeng, bringing the smaller sects in the region under your banner. Nothing to see here, just doing what sects do. Make sure your relations with the Jin remain good. Jin Guangshan won't cause any trouble for you if you don't cause any trouble for him.
7: choose whether to go after the Lan or the Nie next. I recommend the Lan, because the Unclean Realm is a tough nut to crack.
8: attack the Lan. Kill everyone - but most especially you want to kill everyone in the line of succession. You don't want Lan Xichen or Lan Wangji rallying people against you later on. A pretext would be useful for this, but at this point is not entirely necessary. Don't burn the library, you idiot.
9: you are now left with the Nie and the Jin among the great clans. This is good because they don't get along, and also Jin Guangshan is useless. Besiege the Unclean Realm. You don't have to go frontal assault, just keep them bottled up in their nice little fortress where you can pick them off at your leisure. This may take a few years, but once they are sufficiently weakened you can take them out.
10: CONGRATULATIONS!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! Important things must be said three times! World domination is now yours! The Jin are the only Great Sect left, and they won't dare move against you and can't unite the smaller clans (whom I hope you have been treating well as you unite them under the Wen. You have been treating them well, right?) . At some point later, you can take them out if you wanted, but it's not necessary. I'd recommend taking care of Jin Zixuan, who is likely to bear a grudge and is an honorable idiot who won't take well to having a Wen boot on his neck. Jin Zixun will be much more amenable.
There are some people who might see your plan and derail it - primarily NHS and Meng Yao. NHS is unlikely to be able to do much since nobody will listen to him, although if both he and Meng Yao are in the Unclean Realm they might be able to convince NMJ to take action before the attack on the Lan can happen. I would recommend convincing JGS that a spare heir is never a bad idea (if this works you can always get Meng Yao installed as head of the Jin later - if he knows you're the one who convinced JGS to take him on he will be loyal to you, and if JGS and Co treat him as they did in canon he will not object overmuch if you kill him, and might even do it for you). If that doesn't work, kill him.
#MDZS#A ten-step plan for world domination#WRH#Jin guangyao#WRH lost the war because he had no patience#And all his pretexts were dumb
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Rhaegar's victory and reign would not be long lived or the happy fairy tale everyone thinks it is
So while I still love Rhaegar and Lyanna and think a lot of events could've been better if Rhaegar killed Robert in the Battle of the Trident. Rhaegar bringing peace to the realms and Rhaegar and Lyanna as this great love story is wishful thinking at best. Even I think Rhaegar's choice would've really fucked over his rule because he made enemies of everyone.
Why would anyone allow Rhaegar to rule?
By abducting an engaged noblewoman Rhaegar has told all his vassals that he gives 0 fucks about the marriage contracts that are essential to the entire system, because he’s prince and might makes right. Why would any vassal follow him? Would you follow a king who says he can break up your engagement whenever he wants?
Not even his allies want him at this point most likely. Rhaegar has dishonored the Martells and created a bastard that is a potential threat to their line. Targaryen bastards do not have a good reputation, see the Blackfyres.
Aerys was a madman who murdered the father and brother to the woman who was kidnapped. The rebellion was justified. Anything but pardons and apologies would be an idiot move on Rhaegar’s part. If he’s even allowed to be on the throne.
If for whatever reason the rebellion doesn’t continue and they don’t just rally around a new claimant then I’m guessing Rhaegar gets assassinated no matter what or would become a paranoid king just trying to stay alive for the good of the realm. The Faith will be angry at him. The Martells will be angry at him. The Starks will be angry at him. The Baratheons will be angry at him. The Arryns will be angry at him. The Lannisters will be angry at him.
I don't know if Rhaegar would have collapsed the 7K, but he wouldn't have been seen in as positive a light as he canonically is.
I mean, he kidnapped/raped a teenage girl from a Paramount family that kickstarted a massive war leaving his lawfully married wife and children to the mercy of a pyromaniac madman over a prophecy that may or may not be true.
This wouldn't inspire confidence in the nobility…….at all.
He doesn't even have dragons, which is the entire reason why his house is ruling in the first place. And Rhaegar wants to save the realm, so using the Wildfire caches is not his intention.
So let's say for arguments sake. The sacking of King's Landing doesn't happen, instead, it's the complete and utter sacking of the Rebellion. The rebel forces are decimated. Jon Arryn dies. Hoster dies. Ned Stark and the northern forces are either killed, retreats or is sent to the wall.
Ned or Benjen would declare for Northern Independence in Lyanna's name. The Vale would be outraged over Jon's death. The Blackfish would hold the Vale and the Riverlands to avenge his brother and Lord Arryn. The Lannisters would abandon the crown because after everything Tywin did, Rhaegar still refused Cersei and would not let go of Jaime. Stannis Baratheon would not take Robert's murder lightly and would lead the Stormlands against Rhaegar's rule. The Reach is a tricky one. I suppose the Tyrells would object to Rhaegar dishonoring his vows, but that's about all I could think of. The Faith would refuse to legitimize Rhaegar's rule and his marriage to Lyanna(if she's even alive) The Iron Islands sees this as an opportunity to attack and take the seven kingdoms with the Iron Price. Dorne would abandon the Targaryens. You think Oberyn would take the slight to Elia lightly? He'd be leading Dorne to save Elia and her children, burn the Targaryen dynasty down and personally kill Rhaegar himself.
The Seven Kingdoms would be at war with each other and Rhaegar's prophecy to save the realms from The Others is the least of his worries because he doomed the realm because of his decision to take Lyanna.
The War Of The Seven Kingdoms would've been more bloodier than Robert's Rebellion, War Of The Five Kings and even worse than Aegon's Conquest and it all would've been Rhaegar's fault.
#ASOIAF#Rhaegar Targaryen#Lyanna Stark#Jon Snow#Eddard Stark#Benjen Stark#Jon Arryn#Brynden Tully#Hoster Tully#Tywin Lannister#Stannis Baratheon#Oberyn Martell#Elia Martell
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Nana! I need your guidance!
But how are you btw? 🤭💙
I need your headcanon, where Thranduil and Elrond is a bestie, but Thranduil is to arrogant to admit that he is cared for Elrond. And one day Elrond got abducted by some random dude.
What he would do?!
Love you btw! 💙
Hello, my dear @thranduilswifesblog!
I hope you're enjoying your little "period break"! We've missed you, so it's nice to see you back on here for a while. I was sick with a very nasty cold virus through most of your absence, so you haven't missed much from my blog at least!
Now regarding your headcanon request regarding our favorite "odd couple" besties, Thranduil and Elrond:
What would Thranduil do if Elrond were abducted or in danger?
I share your headcanon of Thranduil being fonder of Elrond than of any Noldor in all of Middle-earth history--with the exception of his wife (Queen Maereth). Proud and stubborn Thranduil never admits his affection outright, but it shows subtly in his actions around the Lord of Imladris, and the fact that he seems to enjoy spending time around him.
In SotWK-verse, Thranduil first met Elrond in the kingdom of Lindon, very early in the Second Age and not long after the War of Wrath. However, they barely interacted with each other because of the lingering hostility between the Noldor and the Sindar. Oropher and his people were not big fans of High King Gil-galad, despite being residents of his realm.
Thranduil and Elrond finally got to know each other better towards the middle of the Second Age. Their early bond was encouraged by Lady Maereth, who shares family history with Elrond and became a close friend of his while she lived in Eregion.
Before fighting side-by-side in the War of the Last Alliance, Thranduil and Elrond fought together for the first time during the War of the Elves and Sauron (SA 1693), which initiated their status as lifelong allies.
I have many more HCs about the friendship between these two elf-lords, but I'm going to skip all that to actually answer your question!
It would take an incredibly powerful foe to abduct Lord Elrond, so it would obviously be a serious crisis that will force Rivendell to summon every available ally for aid.
The King of Mirkwood and his family would be considered Elrond's most loyal and strongest Elven ally military-wise, and I would gladly debate anyone on this opinion.
Thranduil would drop everything to answer the call, initiating emergency protocols normally reserved only for members of his own immediate family.
Assuming this event occurs at a time when his family is still intact, Thranduil will rally all five of his sons to come with him and lead their army to Elrond's rescue.
I cannot stress enough how sending ALL FIVE Thranduilion princes along with the King into battle is a huge deal, and actually unnecessary. These Elven warriors are so skilled and powerful, it is overkill to have them on the same battlefield all at once. It has never happened in the entire history of their family. (You know how Legolas can kick serious orc-ass? Well, he's the "rookie" of this team. Imagine his older brothers and their Ada unleashed.)
In normal cases, only three princes at most are sent to battle at the same time. If Thranduil chooses to muster his entire lineup of sons, then he just wants to prove a simple, angry point: you've fucked with the wrong guy and now I will make you pay to the greatest possible extent.
Elrond in danger is definitely not considered a "normal case", so yes: Thranduil would deploy all his sons for the Lord of Imladris. There is no greater sign of love and friendship from the Elvenking than this.
Unless Elrond gives him a very good reason not to, Thranduil will insist on having the head (literally) of whoever dared to abduct or harm his (not-so-secret) best friend.
Thranduil will still never tell Elrond how much he cares for him. But the message will be received and seen loud and clear by everyone.
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#thranduil#thranduil oropherion#thranduil headcanon#elrond#elrond peredhel#sowtk headcanon#thranduilion
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Obey Me World Origins
This a mythos-style history lesson on how I see the Three Realms forming. I hope you will give this a try! I've been thinking and adding to this for a while and am honestly in love with this origin story.
Please read it! It'd mean a lot to me 👉👈🥺
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In the beginning of the world, all that existed was magick--light magick and dark magic.
Over time, these particles of magic became self aware and gave themselves form.
These were the days where the concept of race was not thought of all. Terms like demon and angel simply did not exist; all beings were magick and unity between all were the standard.
As each Magick developed their own sense of self more and more and changed their appearance further to express that change, the sides gradually saw the differences between themselves.
The two Magicks found themselves becoming more and more divided, but still at peace. The Light Magicks formed their home high up in what they called the sky, creating comfy clouds and a beautiful sun to shine down on them.
The Dark Magicks kept down below in the abyss, where they found peace and comfort in the darkness.
While the Dark Magicks spent their time learning and reflecting, wanting answers to questions like "Why am I here?" and "What is the limit of what I can do with my existence?" the Light Magicks took a more social path to their existence.
Though such questions sounded fascinating to the Light Magicks, they decided the answers to such mattered little and that what did matter was that they were alive and that was such a joyous thing! The Light Magicks wanted to share this joy and make more like them and so were the first of the two Magicks to discover procreation.
Divided but at peace. Different but equal. Such beliefs did not stay long.
Eventually, a being of Light expressed such foreign beliefs to his people, that the dark beings should live life as they do.
While Light Magicks created more of their kind and took care of one another, dark being rarely reproduced and 'selfishly' focused on pursuit of knowledge that 'benefitted no one'.
Unfortunately, this belief in the Dark Magicks' selfishness permeated through the clouds and tension between those above and below started to brew.
This lead to war between the two Magicks, both sides with their owns strengths.
The Light Magicks had their numbers and determination to make the Dark Magicks submit to them.
The Dark Magicks had their carefully collected knowledge and their strong will to live.
Eventually, the war came to a stalemate and the two Magicks closed themselves off from one another, creating the Celestial realm and what was once called the Abyssal realm.
This marked the end of Primordial era and pushed the new races into the Era of Seclusion.
Numerous millennia went by without a single word being said between those who were now known as demons and angels
Until the founding of the Royal Family in the Abyssal realm, started by a demon simply known as the Devil.
The Devil wished for a world like the one they read about in the parchments of history from the days of the Primordial era.
Ever the academic, as all demons saw themselves, the Devil felt there was so much potential to learn from the Celestial beings and rallied his people to try just once more to open their hearts and minds to the angels above.
At this point though, the angels were very different from the Light Magicks before them. Their entire way of being was changed.
Now led by a being simply called Father, the angels no longer procreated in the vast manner they used to and their population was tightly controlled by the higher being.
Concerned, but highly fascinated, the Devil still pursued his plan for knowledge and peace.
The Devil was captivated by the beauty of the being who ruled the Celestial realm and the being too was intrigued by this demon who was so determined to make their way through the gates.
The ruler of the newly named Devildom and the Father of angels fell madly in love and together, the two realms reached a small period called the Loving Enlightenment period.
During this point, both races freely interacted and love bloomed endlessly between the two races.
Eventually the Devil fell pregnant with the Celestial leader's children.
In order to keep their children somewhere safe and comfortable, the Father of angels created a realm solely for his youngest children, who he already loved so dearly.
And so the Human realm was made and the Devil birthed their celestial lover's children's there, beings made of both light and dark magick.
Raising these first generation humans became an inter-realm project. Demon and angel alike, working together to give this new race a good lease on life.
Eventually, more angels started procreating with demons though and the Father of Angels felt his control slipping from his flock.
This caused discord between him and his demonic lover, one that could never be repaired.
No matter how much he loved the Devil and their children, this being could never love anyone more than himself.
Tension brewed and war came once more. Any children created from the union of angels and demons were thrown into the Human realm and anyone who tried to retrieve their children from there were destroyed on sight.
Both the Devildom and the Celestial realm locked their gates once more.
Young humanity, once loved and cherished, was forgotten and alone.
Both demons and angels were forbidden from interacting with the humans in anyway because their leaders feared it would result in another war.
Centuries went by and both realms slowly start to interact with humanity once again.
First, they tried to be subtle, but it slowly grew to the level of a cold war staged in their children's realm.
To what degree, it fluctuated throughout humanity's existence.
Till a prince of the Royal Family too read about peaceful times long forgotten and was captivated by the grandiose idea of finishing what his ancestor the Devil started by bringing lasting peace between the Three Realms in the form of schooling and cultural exchange.
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Blackfyre Conquest: An Autumn King
i've struggled to find any Meta on how Young Griff's conquest will go, politically & logistically, that don't immediately interrupt themselves with "...but then Dany will show up with Dragons".
A lot of fans are very pro-Targaryen and pro-Conquest: a lot of Westeros would probably be on board too, though for less romantic reasons. No one "loves" the commander of a foreign army & Ned successfully rallied a Rebellion with very good reasons. The Targaryens were never entirely welcome in Westeros but the War of the Five Kings certainly made a "return to stability" with a Targ King an easier sell than it would have been earlier in the series. That this Targ King is non-incestuous, seemingly sane, has a sizeable Army, has multiple houses already sworn to him... and seems to be an Actual Politician? The Lords might frown at exactly "how" legitimate their King really is but, overall, "Aegon VI" would be vastly preferable to who Westeros has currently:
1) an increasingly unpopular Queen-Regent whose family Did The Red Wedding & whose claim rests on a toddler-king of Dubious Parentage.
2) a King who's lost his Lands to the foreign invader, has a Pet Witch (called his "true" queen) who burns people alive, has converted to a Foreign Religion (& burned religious sites), is a rumoured Kinslayer, and was Never Very Popular in the first place (Stannis doesn't take bribes, keeps insisting his disabled daughter is his Heir, went to help the Night's Watch for Some Reason, wasn't as fun as his brothers, makes poor conversation at parties, etc) .
3) Euron Greyjoy.
4) a theoretical infant child of King Robb of the North & Trident... and the Treacherous Jeyne Westerling whom he Lost a war over.
5) Robb's legal heir as per his last Will, his "brother" Jon whom he legitimised as "Stark" but is currently busy being the 998th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch (it is unlikely that Jon's getting murdered by his men would be Advertised to the Realm & though Jon is almost certainly going to pull a Dany in WoW, he is currently a Ghost).
6) the allegedly sole surviving non-bastard Stark, Prince Rickon, who's spent the past few [books] entirely raised by [Freefolk] & is a toddler.
7) Some Targaryen Girl in Essos, last seen while... on fire & being abductes by her own dragon, apparently.
While most Lords will see Aegon's commanding the Golden Company as a Pretty Obvious allusion to his not actually being the miraculously surviving son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen & Princess Elia Martell. The "truth" of Young Griff's identity is pretty irrelevant to his successfully conquering Westeros (which seems very likely, give or take a Kingdom). Robert Baratheon's kingship was won by conquest: his grandmother being a Targaryen princess was an afterthought, an extra touch of "legitimacy". Tommen's claim to the Iron Throne is through his legal status as King Robert's surviving Heir. Stannis's claim is through the illegitimacy of Joffrey & Tommen's claims making him Robert's heir instead.
Aegon's claim to the Iron Throne is not actually his alleged parentage: it's through Conquest (the same would be true for Dany, Euron and any Heir of King Robb). Most Lords would see the Golden Company, famously founded to make a Blackfyre king, and conclude that Aegon is a Blackfyre Pretender: this is, in the short-term, irrelevant.
Some might rejoice at the alleged survival of one of Prince Rhaegar or Princess Elia's children: Targaryen Loyalists, the Dornish, smallfolk out of the loop on why there was a Rebellion. Ned Stark Loyalists would know Ned mourned for Princess Elia & her children, that Robert became King because Ned wasn't interested & be more concerned about Winter than how recently incestuous the latest Southron King's family tree may be.
As far as most of Westeros is aware [going into Winds], its Key Requirements for a Monarch are: being Alive & (ideally) Sane, being Old Enough to reign unsupervised (15 at minimum), having a loyal Army (see: Euronpocalypse, the Red Wedding, the lawlessness of the Riverlands), being Male, not being the immediate product of incest (Tommen aside, Prince Rhaegar only had 2 great-grandparents), not being a blasphemous arsonist, & not being in debt to the Iron Bank.
Robb Loyalists, those still surviving, would Wisely stand back and allow the Golden Company to deal with the Bolton-Lannister-Frey alliance: even if Jeyne Westerling is found alive & with an infant son, few would accept her and most would be unwilling to replace one child monarch with another (that applies to Rickon too). Northerners are proud but, as one of those Dead Starks might say, Winter is Coming.
The Wars over the series have made the southern land route impassable: the Twins are held by the treacherous Freys, the Riverlands are a lawless hellscape, King's Landing is run by Lannisters & Tyrells, and the Reach is itself "Tyrell Territory". With such a dangerous land route, the North relies on itself & seatrade. While the North does have eastern ports that allow trade with the Vale, the Vale itself is currently held by Petyr Baelish, publically aligned with the Lannister Regime. The North's primary port, White Harbour (held by Lord Wyman Manderly, known Stark Loyalist) is on its western coast, along the Narrow Sea. Euron & rogue Ironborn aside, Aegon's Armies have already seized Storm's End after coming across said sea. Having already seized Storm's End and with Aurane Waters' having Absconded with the Crown's Fleet that would guard the Blackwater... The Golden Company can comfortably blockade all traffic from Westeros to Essos (give or take a Lys). Even assuming Aurane Waters isn't in cahoots with Team Aegon (he's a Velaryon bastard), he took the Crown's fleet to the Stepstones and thus holds control over naval passage between the eastern & western coasts of Westeros (& to Dorne).
So, unless Sansa usurps control of the Vale from Baelish within the first third of Winds; unless Prince Doran or seadragons take out Aurane Waters' pirate fleet; unless the Golden Company's AND Euron's respective fleets get taken out without ANOTHER navy taking their place... Westeros really, really needs Aegon to successfully conquer Westeros if only to quickly reestablish vital trade routes for Winter.
Speaking of Euron's fleet and Trouble at Oldtown... there is Trouble At Oldtown and no one is equipped to keep it contained: on land, the sons of Lord Hightower have been taking the Ironborn threat seriously (with Lord Hightower seemingly having Anticipated the supernatural threat Euron seeks to invoke though how successful his & his daughter's Efforts may be remains Unknown); at sea, the Redwyne Fleet is Worried & very probably in Cahoots with Aegon. It will be a Trip, going back to sea from the Stormlands & then South to Oldtown, but a Redwyne-Velaryon-Blackfyre Naval Alliance is the Best and Geographically Closest forces available to Oldtown.
There are a few characters who've been sent to seek aid from Essos, given the Ironborn threat & the general political instability: Prince Quentyn was one (RIP) and Lord Hightower's youngest son, Ser Humfrey, is another. If the Hightowers weren't Team Aegon before, they soon will be.
The Reach is an increasingly vital kingdom to the survival of Westeros: with the Riverlands in the state it is & with the ongoing socio-economic fallout of Dany's very sudden conquests of half the Free Cities, The Reach is the most reliable source of food for the entire continent. That's part of why the impending Euronpocalypse is so Worrying to those otherwise removed from the Oldtown plotlines: Oldtown is one of the most important ports of Westeros, exporting grain from the Reach & importing goods from Essos.
Oldtown is also the Headquarters for the Citadel, where maesters are trained to: manage rookeries, the interkingdom communication system; learn histories, including those of long Winters past & who survived to give tips on Resource Management; and study medicine (to varying degrees of competency but Still).
The maesters are imperfect, often outright incompetent (as much by accident as by any potential Conspiracy): they're still the ones in control of the [telegram] network, the meteorologists, the ones able to not only access the historic archives but how to read them & any knowledge therein. It is certainly more helpful to have scholars than to not have scholars, especially with Winter nearing and many surviving Lordlings having known only Summer (& never educated on "How To Lord" due to how far down the line of succession they were before the Wars).
For those in Westeros who hold to the Faith of the Seven, Trouble At Oldtown would be an apocalypse all of its own: Oldtown is the centre of their Faith and its destruction would greatly demoralize persons of all stations, especially with increased Magical Activity and rumours of [fire zombies, ice zombies, wolf zombies, dragons].
Team Aegon seems the most likely to "contain" the Euronpocalypse, having both method (naval power) & means (the Golden Company, 4 kingdoms' worth of vassal lords) to do so. Aegon's also one of the few "primary" characters who would even know that there IS a Euronpocalpse: Team Aegon, Prince Doran, Queen Cersei, Lady Olenna, Lord Manderly, Asha's faction of Ironborn, the Reacherlords, the Iron Bank, & (probably?) Brynden Rivers are the only ones who could plausibly know of a Euron Threat, let alone organize a Timely Response to it. Regardless of how successful said Response may be, Team Aegon helping with Oldtown smooths the way for his becoming recognised as a Legitimate Leader for Westeros.
I'm fairly certain that Team Aegon will conquer (most of) Westeros over the course of Winds, I doubt he'll have the time to be crowned King or even spend time on a throne: he'll be too busy.
Aegon's Conquest being successful is Pretty Dang Important to the greater scheme of things: it will introduce Key Characters to each other (Arianne & Dorne, Sam & thus the NW, "Alayne" through Baelish, Team Oathkeeper through Jaime's controlling the Crown's armies); restore supply routes; "consolidate" power to enable discussion of Continental Threats long neglected (through both Regional & Interpersonal Conflicts). Aegon's Conquest would act as a kind of "triage" for Westeros, a quick means of uniting different groups (for & against him) and he won't actually need to sit the Iron Throne to do it. It is most likely that, after securing the Reach & Stormlands, Aegon will find that the Frey Civil War had "taken care of" the North & the Riverlands, with Robb Loyalists willing to Play Nice but (understandably, thinketh Aegon) wary of bending any knees. Dorne, regardless of Prince Doran's personal opinion on Aegon's identity, would act "compliant" due to Arianne's involvement & the Rocky Dornish having been in Cahoots with the Blackfyre Regime from the get go. Even a false Aegon would be preferable to a Lannister, as far as the North & Dorne are concerned. The Ironborn post-Euronpocalypse would go back to battling themselves internally, likely while facing heavy [sanctions]: they'd be too busy licking their wounds to be much of a threat to anyone.
That leaves three kingdoms: the Westerlands, cornered at all sides & bereft of much of its Leadership through Wars & the Frey Civil War; the Crownlands, King's Landing likely being besieged for Cersei to later blow up; and The Vale.
Who runs the Vale? The worst, most consistently dangerous backstabber of them all: Lord Petyr Baelish. It will probably be Baelish who undoes all that triage work Team Aegon started, likely via assassinating the kid or "exposing" him to the Right Wrong Crowd (whether Petyr has actual knowledge or evidence against Aegon is irrelevant: this is not his first Smear Campaign).
Assuming it hasn't happened already (in great tonal dissonance with the Euronpocalypse), Little Lord Robert Arryn would get his Tourney at the Gates of the Moon just in time for Aegon to secure his "final" kingdom.
The Frey Civil War would have affected the Vale just as it affected the rest of Westeros (Dorne excluded) but, from the clues I've found in the Vale & Darry-branches of Freys, it's likely that the Vale Freys will have fared better than every other branch of their extensive family tree, likely due to their joining the Aegon Bandwagon prior to Lord Walder's death.
Others have drawn parallels between what we know of "Alayne's'" Tourney and the historic Tourney of Ashford Meadow: essentially, the Tourney is implicitly tied to the themes & character arcs of both Sansa Stark (in the role of "Lord Ashford's 13 year old daughter", defending Queen of Love & Beauty) and Brienne of Tarth (in the role of her ancestor, Duncan the Tall: knightly but never technically Knighted underdog). The Ashford Tourney is best remembered for being the Introduction of Ser Duncan the Tall, a Sudden Trial of Seven, a quietly averted Blackfyre Rebellion, and the tragic death of the greatly beloved Crown Prince Baelon "Breakspear" (& Some Guy from House Hardyng).
Yeah. Dany doesn't even need to leave Essos: Aegon's doom will come courtesy of Thematic Parallels and Foreshadowing.
Prince Baelon "Breakspear" was a living representation of a Westeros at peace: he was the product of one of two political marriages that peacibly joined Dorne to the Seven Kingdoms (the Second Marriage featured one of those Princesses Daenerys); he was a Competent ruler, becoming his Father's Hand at age 26; his nickname was gained when he bested Ser Daemon Blackfyre (yes, THAT Blackfyre) at a tourney (the Wedding Tourney of his Aunt Daenerys); he had two adult sons, presumably with a wife (the sons are the only proof of her existence); and one of Baelon's sons was healthy enough to score 7 victories at the Ashford Tourney!
Which he. Uh. Very unexpectedly died at. Baelon, that is. The Crown Prince. The People's Prince. The Golden Child who promised a Peaceful & Prosperous Future. The son of a Targaryen prince & a Martell mother. A character who Very Strongly Reminds One Of Young Griff, the hopeful Aegon VI.
Aegon is likely to attend the Vale Tourney in order to diplomatically add the Vale to his collection of Kingdoms: Baelish is likely to trade [Sansa]'s betrothal with Harry the Heir for the Shinier Prince Aegon (whether he dissolves the existing betrothal via Having Harry Killed By Tourney or by outing Alayne as Sansa "Key to the North" Stark-Lannister, who was, btw, Spared the marriage bed bc Child Bride so Totally Eligible my dude just Sign Here).
Then Brienne will show up, probably with Jaime, and Some Kerfuffle will Ensue (if only because Sansa & Brienne are Alleged Kingslayers) that leads to Robert Arryn's Tourney becoming Brienne's Trial of Seven for Sansa's Innocence, just as Ser Dunk's defense of the (common) maiden Tanselle so changed the Ashford Tourney.
There is a Rather Formidable enemy of Young Griff whom I have only hinted at: allow me to combine the Clues.
There exists in the ASOIAF series a Certain Character who Knows More than they Should, who has an implied past connection with a young Euron Greyjoy, who is infamously opposed to Blackfyres, who was present for the Ashford Tourney, whose Past & Present can connect just about every active plotline in the series: a disappeared Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, a Hand to two Targaryen Kings & the Master of Whispers to more (with his "thousand eyes and one"), one of the three Great Bastards born to Lady Melissa Blackwood by King Aegon IV, and current tree-wizard mentor to an entirely separate Kingly-coded character.
Brynden Rivers.
If Aegon survives Euron, Cersei, Jaime, AND Baelish? He certainly won't survive Brynden. Whatever Brynden may be right now (tree abomination, Old God Hivemind, puppet king to Feyfolk, Bran Stark's lunch, the distant Blackwood cousin of every surviving Stark), there is no reason to believe Brynden would allow a Blackfyre to go unchallenged, especially in the guise of a "true" Targaryen.
(not that i believe Brynden hopes for a Targaryen Restoration via Dany or Jon: it very much appears that Brynden & the Singers are grooming Bran Stark for kingship, though where & who exactly they expect him to rule is still Unclear)
I hope to do more exploration into what Aegon [Blackfyre]'s Conquest might look like, cobbling together clues from Quentyn's Doomed Quest and Queen Marge's Court (as "microcosm' to the Reach in macrocosm) and historically Targaryen/Blackfyre loyalist Houses. I'm fairly certain I can figure out how the Aegon Conquest will play into the resolutions of the Frey Civil War, (some) Winterfell Conspiracies, the specifics of the Euronpocalypse, & my "Dornish Spring" Theory as well. I'm much less certain on how Stannis would fare against Aegon: would he demand Legitimacy? would he sic Melissandre on him? would Stannis Get Over Himself in service to the Looming Winter? would he even have a leg to stand on the matter?
And would Aegon survive long enough to meet Daenerys, let alone Argue Legitimacy with her? (They'd both be rulers by conquest, not inheritance & it's not like Dany has any backing for her identity beyond "I look traditionally Valyrian" and "these are some dragons i hatched from stone mid-resurrection". The layyer it should be noted, is considered a Death Magic-induced Miracle, not some Secret Targaryen Blood Limit: it's Unique to Daenerys Stormborn, not to "House Targaryen")
#asoiaf theories#blackfyre conquest#valyrianscrolls#young griff#tourney of ashford meadow#tourney at the gates of the moon#euronpocalypse#geography as a plot device#the many conspiracies great & northern#frey civil war#the golden company#which child king would westeros like best#the answer is none of them#nobody wins musical chairs#brynden rivers meta#apocalypse at oldtown#blackfyre rebellions#that awkward moment when the targaryen loyalists team up with blackfyre rebels but no one knows if they should point it out#dany doesn't even go here#team not-lannister#winds of winter spec#baelon breakspear#dunk & egg meta
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Who was he? - Qīpshakhūghul Pashty-ā
A sculpture of the Gūdyam praying on his throne.
[ID: A man with a bushy beard and turban praying with upside-down open hands, cross legged on top of a grand pillow inscribed with the Pachti character "yatsām" /.End ID]
The End of the Tallakhavi
As the sun set on the great Idan Khogekhti, the various Imuret peoples banded together in revolt against the poor administration and food shortages caused by the rule of the Bekh of Imu, a Jammub woman adherent to her local faith, unpopular with the Imuret. The great Khogen eventually gave into the demands of the people, replacing her with a different Qisim person who was an adherent of the Imuret faith (an early form of Ridume). Despite this, the entire realm suffered from instability and infighting under the weak Khogen, only being 13 years old at the time of his rule. The various Bekhtava eventually rallied together to dissolve the realm of their lord, overwhelmingly winning.
After the dissolution in 564 Pestaran, the Bekh of Imu reigned over most of the Imu basin before being reformed into one of the many emergent tribal polities (Tallakhavi) that dominated the region. Imu became Pashtek, and was one of the most prosperous and stable Tallakhavi, along with Qisim, Yē, and Aya. Outside of these realms, the political climate was much less stagnant, and saw the rise of many different clans over the period, known in Imuology as the 5 Tribes period. In 856 Pestaran, Qīpshakhūghul was born as Yanerkand, heir of Pashtek, coinciding with the beginning of the first Pashtek-Qisim war, which was lost upon his father's death. He would assume the Tallakh of Pashtek Talla at the age of 16, renaming himself to Qīpsha Pashtek-a Tallakh.
The Gūdyam
Qīpshakhūghul would invent a new philosophical and religious concept during his rule: the Gūdyam (Great Diam). It was a position of power higher than even the Khogen of Idan societies- at least according to the Imurets of the time. In order to fully understand what this title meant in 6th century Pest. Tarunese society, one has to delve into the etymology of the word itself.
The word Dyam comes from the Andegan Diam, itself descended from an Idano-Imuret word meaning "clear, pure (referring to bodies of water)". The first application of the word Diam in Andegan society as a term for a ruler was with an unnamed king of the Andegan sea only referred to in surviving documents as "agha diam", or "purest leader". While one may recognize the word "agha" as a suffix on the names of various scholars, philosophers, etc., the word originally was a title for rulers of political polities, until its supplanting by the word Diam.
Diam first came to be used as a title by Mrasaghibi in 632 Pestaran, a ruler of the Andega heartland, whose citizens lauded her as a righteous, upright, and just king. It henceforth was a title for those rulers who wanted to appear as Mrasaghibi was. Gradually, over many centuries, the title arbitrated until it was basically a regular term for any "emperor". Still, at the time of Qīpshakhūghul's ascension to to the Tallakh, this title was more or less significant in and around Andega, even holding influence in Jammub and Osoi lands, with some southern Imuret rulers adopting the title into the language as Dyam. Simply combining the title of Dyam with the prefix Gū- (meaning great, holy, good), Qīpshakhūghul created a new title of prominence for the Imuret leaders- but mostly himself.
the Cultural Renewal
After founding the Pashtoi Confederation in 698 Pestaran with Qīpshakhūghul as the Gūdyam, Qīpshakhūghul deigned to make a series of sweeping cultural, ritual, and religious reforms to Imuret society. The word Pashtoi is derived from Pashtek, the name of the Talla which Qīpshakhūghul was the Tallakh of before founding the confederation. Famously, Qīpshakhūghul's cultural policies suppressed traditions of other Imuret peoples, essentially enforcing the Pashtoi culture onto the entire confederation. With these reforms, a culture of formality, a hierarchical society, and a government promoted strain of the Ridume religion all became essential parts of the Imuret state.
Legacy of Rule
Generally, Qīpshakhūghul is seen by Imurets today as the man who founded modern Imuret culture, if not the man who forced Pashtoi culture on the rest of the Imu Basin. He is seen as a unifier, a just but firm leader, and a figure of great piety, however true any of these may be.
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re: koschei's philosophy in the context of war
he is the worst and i will be the first to say it, but i also want to emphasize that his sense of principles and overall mentality ( in almost every context tbh ) is of someone in the middle of war, whether real or perceived. thus, his behavior and mode of operating isn't to be evil, it's for the sake of surviving, winning, enacting his view of justice, and/or saving his country/faction. and quite honestly he is a tricky bitch first and killing machine second. meaning, his philosophy is very machiavellian rather than one that revels in destruction or makes a show of his full military force with little regard to their damage ( this is actually where his ego is not at work ).
granted, he is not selfless. he will let the world burn down before he does, but if he didn't look out for his own soldiers and chyerti, there is simply no way he'd be a successful usurper capable of rallying them to his side the way he has. he is not nice, he is authoritative and militant, but he is nonetheless effective and appealing to them because his tactics are centered around: a) knowing when to have no mercy or hesitation to strike at an enemy when he feels bloodshed is required (in his mind, being ruthless now means avoiding a bigger or prolonged struggle later and depending on the context of this..... he may actually be correct ) but more importantly; b) when to use wits and deception to avoid the death and unnecessary bloodshed of his own forces.
" all warefare is based on deception. hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; [...] hold out baits to entice the enemy. feign disorder, and crush him [...] pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant [...] if he is taking ease, give him no rest [..] if his forces are united, separate them [...] attack him when he is unprepared. appear when you are not expected. " ( the art of war, sun tzu )
this is above all else koschei's go-to stategy. essentially, have the enemy be the fool who takes themselves out, or let another force exert the effort to destroy them before he or his army needs to step in. minimal damage to them is in fact the priority because the bigger force typically wins, but also... he's not entirely heartless and disloyal. at his core, koschei hates feeling alone; comradery among his realm and military is very important to him; and avoiding as little grief and loss as possible is essential to him, even if he won't ever openly admit that to others or sometimes even himself (your boy is perpetually stuck in the denial stage).
re: how he commands & unifies his forces
again, his chyerti and soldiers would never regard him as nice, but there is a delicate balance here between being too draconian that they hate him, and too soft that they don't obey and fear him. koschei is a master when it comes to walking that fine line. he will fight alongside them, make them feel their plight is one and the same, praise and take care of them, while handsomely rewarding the ones who serve him the best to inspire overachievement. but insubordination is not tolerated and swiftly met with harsh punishment to make an example.
in the context of ruling a kingdom, this approach isn't always the best course, but in the context of running an army? maintaining that order, that unilateral obedience, that sense of fearing his disappointment or wrath a little more than the horror in front of them, is actually vital for their survival. he is not afraid to be that guy, and overall, genuinely feels this is how he shows his care -- by keeping them alive. unfortunately, this is also the only way he knows how to operate in most dynamics outside the context of a war, but he was never given the chance to behave in or learn any other way. war has always followed him, and is just too engrained in his being at this point.
#and this is why !! the tsar needs to be chained !! because he's arguably not a good tsar#should not be the face that rules and governs because that does require goodness and honesty and positive inspiration#but if there's one thing i will not ever slander him for it's his ability to command an army in war#it will be ugly and brutal but best believe he and his own are walking out winning and/or with the least number of casualties#and that's why they follow him#BUT AT THE SAME TIME there are other approaches that are just as effective there is no right or wrong answer in the context of war#(kissing my other war legends fergus and asteria on the forehead)#this is just how his brain works and looks at it and im more concerned with his inability to NOT apply this everywhere else#♔ . ⧽ study *
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The Silver Mother (In My Skin Lore Dump)
The Silver Mother
A Goddess primarily associated with werewolves, the Silver Mother's domain is that of the night, the moon, and according to some, the hunt. The Silver Mother's influence stretches across many different planes of existence and generally she is worshipped anywhere werewolves may reside but there are some places were she is worshipped by humans, fae, and other creatures who gain power from the moon.
The Silver Mother has as many names as moons across all reality, but to the wolves of the village, she is also known as Aega. In most day to day instances wolves will use this shortened name, only referring to her as The Silver Mother during ceremonies of import such as the prayer given during a full moon to bless a hunt. Although strictly speaking she is not a Goddess of the hunt, she simply provides the light which makes a wolfs hunt easier.
According to most known werewolf lore she is responsible for the creation of the original strain on a plane that no longer exists and was destroyed millennia ago. These original werewolves shared the same human form modern wolves do, but when they shifted the differences are drastic.
These primordial werewolves were the size of a house when shifted. They had six legs, twin tails, and an extra eye above each of their normal ones. They were also immortal. Their power was so great that they could travel between planes of existence with a simple step and this is how werewolves spread to nearly every realm in existence.
These wolves acted as emissaries of the Silver Mother, spreading her influence across time and space. Eventually they inter-bred with humans as they felt the lose of their former human lives over time. Hoping to regain some of their former selves many took humans as partners, and in time this resulted in the births of werewolves as they are known now. This also accounts for the different strains as they bred with different kinds of human like beings across the planes.
Aega was proud of her creations and saw them as her children as much as any moon. So when they began to disappear one by one she did her best to try and save them. What she discovered hurt her more then most could comprehend. One of her children was hunting down their siblings and killing them, along with any of their descendant's.
When she confronted this wolf she found that it no longer lent it's power to her as anything which preyed to her naturally would. It now followed something else, something determined to wipe her from existence. What this was varies from tale to tale, but one of the most common stories says it was a sun worshipping cult which found the moon of their world reflecting the light of their beloved sun abhorrent. Though others claim the wolf wanted to steal their mother's power for itself, or that a God of the night wanted total control of the dark without her interference.
Regardless of the source of the betrayal the end is what matters. Aega rallied her remaining children and their decedents as well as many other beings which worshipped her and fought a great war. After centuries Aega finally trapped her wayward child with the help of her strongest child. This child ate it's younger sibling in order to contain the wolf in it's own form. Whether any of these ancient werewolves still exist is a matter of debate among Aega’s many worshippers.
Since that day Aega has distanced herself from most mortal affairs and only makes her presence known so that her worshippers do no feel that she has abandoned them. From time to time she will take more direct action to keep her old foe from remounting a war against her. These actions have ranged from small actions a mortal would never notice, to destroying entire worlds by having one of her children fall on the world it watches over. In some cases entire realms have been swept clean as they are tainted beyond redemption.
Her actions have frequently brought her into conflict with other Gods, though most understand that if she falls one of them could be next and so they look the other way. But her many worshippers are generally kept in the dark regarding her actions.
To the people of the village she is simply their creator, and guardian, not realizing that if she had to she would scour their world clean of all life in order to keep the enemy at bay.
#happysuccubus#interactive fiction#writing#in my skin#lore dump#lore#goddess#werewolf#werewolves#HS:SM
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That's not how any of this works.
There's this Martaryen apologia that keeps coming up. When I point out how the Targs screwed the Martells, the response is that of course the Martells don't dwell on how the Targaryens mistreated their family because the Targaryens died. Whereas the Lannisters are very much alive and benefitting from Tywin's war crimes, so they're the ones who need to be punished.
The more I think about this argument...the more nonsensical it gets.
As an explanation for the Dornish subplot, this is a non-sequitur at best. We're not reading a story in which the Martells "hate" the Lannisters and "don't hate" the Targaryens. We're reading a story in which the Martells are trying to restore the Targaryens to the position of the ruling family of the realm. They are putting themselves in mortal danger, and setting the realm to war---another war!---in order to orchestrate a regime change in favor of the Targaryens.
That requires a more positive relationship than just "we don't hate them because the ones who mistreated us are dead."
I've written on this before: the family connection either matters or it doesn't. If Tywin's been leasing castles in the Martell-Sands' heads because he got his daughter married to the king, then, what the fuck kind of sense does it make to install the Mad King's surviving children to the throne? Why would Prince Doran want to get his own children married to Prince Rhaegar's younger siblings?
Especially Arianne with Viserys! Here's to Viserys Targaryen, the third of his name, Lord of Ain't Shit Mountain, Embarrassment to the Realm. And to the gold Khal Drogo dumped on his head. Arianne is her father's heir, his only daughter, and she's gorgeous and healthy. Why the fuck would he squander her on some exiled prince who brings nothing to the table? How many times in the text does Viserys even mention the Martells?
Without his status as the Mad King's surviving son, why the fuck would Prince Oberyn be trying to rally support for Viserys as king, starting just after the rebellion when he was just eight years old? With his status as the Mad King's son, why the fuck would the Martells want anything to do with him?
Furthermore, if Aerys and Rhaegar's shittiness to the Martells doesn't matter since they died, then...why are the Lannisters still Enemy #1 after Tywin and his goons have all died? Revolting as she is, Cersei wasn't involved in the killing of Princess Elia and her children. If we're not punishing the children for the sins of the father, then what is the Martells' beef with the Lannisters now that Tywin and the relevant household knights are dead?
Shit; even the Martells wouldn't try to hide behind this "it doesn't matter what the Targs did to us 'cause they're dead now" excuse. Go to the characters and ask them to explain their support for Targaryen restoration, and they would answer that they had a great thing going with the Targs. Especially with Rhaegar. Ask them about Rhaegar being a craptastic husband to Elia and a failure of a dad to their children, and they would refuse to hear it. Rhaegar was totally their best friend! Everything was fine until Tywin ruined everything. It's all Tywin's fault! He's the bad guy! Let me tell you about 60 Unrelated Reasons why Tywin Lannister is Evil. That is, if Obara hasn't disemboweled you already.
The answer is that the family connection absolutely matters, in the same way that Family is Destiny to the entire Westerosi noble class. They want to restore the Targaryens to power because they want to restore themselves to a favored position which they never had. They want to believe the Targs love them and the Lannisters hate them. (Maybe even, the Lannisters hate them because the Targs love them.) They're not about to let some ugly facts get in the way of that beautiful story.
#asoiaf meta#in which i poke the viper's nest#a song of mischief and shit-stirring#in which i criticize the martells of sunspear#no one screwed the martells harder than the targaryens#raggedy trashgaryen#revenge is bullshit
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'A crowd's rhythmic thumping punctuates the air, their admiration directed at the figure who had a pivotal role in the outcome of World War II. Setting: the Los Alamos desert research base, marking the 78th anniversary of the atomic bombs' deployment on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The film "Oppenheimer," now on silver screens world wide, casts its spotlight on Robert Oppenheimer, the Jewish-American physicist.
He’s credited with rallying the brightest Western intellects to create the most formidable weapon ever known, ultimately heralding the end of a devastating war and commencing a new, awe-inspiring yet fearsome epoch. The atmosphere is charged with elation and dissonance. Unapologetic and as shell-shocked as those surrounding him, Oppenheimer proclaims: "I'll tell you one thing I know about the bomb: the Japanese didn't like it!" amid the crescendo of cheers. However, in the recesses of his mind, a chilling scream reverberates.
Heads up for mild spoilers for "Oppenheimer" in the following section. Though, it's tricky to actually "spoil" a biopic that unfolds a universally known historical tale (spoiler alert: the bomb goes off!). However, it's worth noting that Christopher Nolan's movie concludes by revisiting a seemingly insignificant early conversation between Oppenheimer and his friendly competitor, Albert Einstein. Their underlying rivalry always simmered beneath their interactions. Amid their playful jabs, there's a moment of remorse, quietly expressed, from one of them.
"Oppenheimer" is a fantastic film, but this is no longer a recommendation or a film review. In addition to being a portrait that could also be interesting as a book, mini-series or movie from 20 or 30 years ago, it also includes at the end a hidden and incredibly topical confession, which contains disgust, grumbling and, yes, also regret for the contemporary era. A terrible regret of those who thought they were improving the world "for the masses" and instead may be leading it to destruction.
This can be seen as a confession by Nolan himself, an elitist and arrogant British director but with a career in Hollywood, about his place in the world of cinema. After all, he was hired almost 20 years ago to direct the high-budget "Batman" and "The Dark Knight" films, and was convinced that he had succeeded in teaching everyone how to make "blockbusters for the thinking man." Nolan saved the comic book genre, and the result: today there are only comic book movies in Hollywood, and a wasteland.
Yet, the remorse felt by Oppenheimer (or Nolan, for that matter) extends beyond just the character and the filmmaker. Lately, the director has been vocal, almost prophetic, leveraging the acclaim of his movie to caution that the realms of science and tech are on the cusp of "a new Oppenheimer moment" – a crossroads between salvation and ruin – amid the rise of artificial intelligence.
These fresh Stanford graduates in the tech industry claim to enhance your life with clever apps that dictate life choices, craft university essays, and even tackle your taxes. Yet, in a decade, entire professions like law and accounting might vanish. The very technology promising salvation could also be its undoing.
I'm in no position to posit a theory about future ramifications emanating from the rise of ChatGPT and the like. Like so many other pseudo-apocalyptic prophecies, this one could equally be full of hot air. That said, there is a sensation that won't subside, and it tells us there's a world we could have done justice to, only to squander that opportunity despite repeated warnings, both from ourselves and from others.'
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How the 13 Demon Lords Came to Be (Part 2)
You see, in reality Mother Hell didn’t rule her realm. She was not the goddess or the one who demanded such sacrifices, outside of maybe some of the crops and for those who called her realm home to give thanks-she’s a mother after all. She had crafted her realm to have different levels, territories-making just a slightly darker, even a more twisted version of Earth. One could say, it was the original ‘Wonderland’ where all of those whom Mother Hell welcomed into her realm could call home.
And always, there has to be someone who wants to ruin a good thing. Mother Hell witnessed her realm becoming imbalanced, her beloved children, her denizens, her entire world transforming into the present day idea of Hell being an eternal wasteland; where the most vile and evil of souls would reside to be punished for all eternity. It wasn't Sai Gong, the dragon was her champion whom she had known since his boyhood and the one she backed as being the true Emperor of Hell.
No, the soul causing the imbalance was a demon going by the name of Eglath Flint; an egotistical maniacal demon who didn’t care for the balance of the realm or that of anyone outside of himself. Think of all the bad rulers, like Roman Emperor Nero and the 20th century dictator Adolf Hilter-yeah Eglath was the mold for them. So what did Eglath desire so badly to cause the catalyst that would spark the rebellion of the angels? Power, simple as that.
Eglath wanted to be the Emperor and cast out Mother Hell forever; he would gladly even kill Sai Gong but so far the dragon had been able to outsmart him and push his army back.
And Sai Gong was back then just as he is today; mad as a hatter, just as wily-most of all just as bloodthirsty. But the problem was, Sai Gong knew that this war couldn’t be won or the balance that he wasn’t always a huge fan of restored, without the help of the angels. He might have been an insane nut, but he at least understood that his home was in peril.
Thus in a desperate plea, Mother Hell called to God, asking him for his aid as she reminded him that if her realm was destroyed then the imbalance would leak unto Earth and undo all of what the Old Gods had done; it would endanger his own followers, those he has claimed to love. But God turned his back and instead told Mother Hell that she was to die, for the Old Gods were finished anyways and he would be one less dragon who had committed familicide.
“Let it become a wasteland and I’ll send the worst of the souls there.” He said cockily and laughed as Mother Hell tried to get him to realize how much danger he was putting his beloved creations in danger.
But all God did was laugh and scoff.
What God though didn’t realize was that this was the final straw for Satan and Lucifer. Already poor little Arakiel had paid dearly for merely trying to help, and their baby brother, no, their son, was terrified to even leave Icha and Raphael’s side whenever he and Oz had to leave the house.
Oh sure, he and the other angels didn’t enjoy that they were second bananas to Mankind but for their father to be this cruel? For him to not even care about Mankind, the creatures he claimed to love, about how the imbalance could destroy everything on Earth-They weren’t going to stand for it!
And thus the seeds of rebellion were planted.
Together, Satan and Lucifer gathered their brothers and sisters to gain allies. Ten of their siblings rounded up others to their cause, citing their father’s cruelty towards one of their own; Little Arakiel. It was enough of a rallying cry-but the lovers, Icha and Raphael, were sadly torn apart as they would be on opposite sides. Torn but still in love, Raphael admitted that though he was duty bound to fight his beloved as well as the others, he wished them luck; he asked for them to take down Eglath; save Hell from their father’s idiocy.
Before he left, a few days before the angels would go to Hell to help, Raphael pulled Icha, Satan, Lucifer, and Oz into a room. “Hide Arakiel, hide him where I will never find him. The last thing I want to do is to harm the boy.” He pleaded with them. “Hide him and don’t tell me where. I’m not asking as the Archangel, I’m asking as someone who loves him as a brother. He’s just a baby, he shouldn’t be part of this.”
Icha nodded and looked to his brothers who nodded in agreement. They would do the best they could to hide Arakiel, Raphael looked relieved when Icha noticed that his beloved was holding his sword tightly. “No-”
“A command seal.” Satan growled but saw the severe agony and pain that Raphael was enduring for them. “Raph-”
“GO. Now before I lose-My last gift to you as your brother and friend, get Arakiel-Go save Hell. GO!” It was the last thing under his own free will that he could do for his beloved Icha and for young Arakiel.
Hell was saved. Elgath Flint was vanquished, Mother Hell sent his soul to oblivion but there was a great price for the angels when they returned and the Angelic Wars began…
Sadly, you know the rest.
Their Rebellion was a disaster and upon Arakiel having come out of hiding, decided to follow his twelve siblings, denouncing God as his father and Michael then ripped his wings out. When it came for Icha to be thrown, God made it where it would be Raphael whom he forced to say hurtful and cruel things to the angel he loved. But before Icha was thrown, Raphael was able to gain control and kissed him before whispering, “I love you, My Icarus. Fly for us both and defy Him. Defy Him for us both.” And then Icha was pushed and though Raphael cried, once again the command seal took over.
Raphael would never again be with his beloved Icha, he would be forced to watch his beloved from afar. Michael was then made as head of the archangels, Raphael his second-in-command, forced to watch as Michael enacted his cruelty. Gabriel was one of the few who felt for Raphael and secretly wished for a better outcome.
It is believed that Raphael still tries to fight the seal, if anything for the sake of his beloved Icha.
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A response to elegantwoes's reblog:
Hi, short question. Will we find out more about the Dance of the Dragons in future books?
The first dance or the second? The second will be the subject of a book. The first will be mentioned from time to time, I’m sure.
George readily spoiled almost two decades ago, that a second dance of dragons will happen in the upcoming two books, and that civil war can only be about Dany and Aegon. No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, a full on war between Aegon and Dany is inevitable, especially when all the evidence points to Aegon allying with his maternal family and marrying his maternal cousin, Arianne, and Dany taking great offense to it. - elegantwoes
Yes, GRRM spoiled that there will be a Second Dance, two decades ago. What you forgot to mention is that he explicitly mentioned that it doesn't have to involve Daenerys in it.
The second Dance of Dragon does not have to mean Dany's invasion. - GRRM at the San Diego Comic Con, 2006
As for "the civil war can ONLY be about Dany and Aegon" and it being "inevitable".
Please show any sort of "evidence" that would even indicate a basis for a conflict between Aegon and Daenerys. When quite the contrary is true, Aegon and his supporters still have every intention to match a marriage between Aegon and Daenerys:
A bride for our bright prince. Jon Connington remembered Prince Rhaegar's wedding all too well. Elia was never worthy of him. She was frail and sickly from the first, and childbirth only left her weaker. After the birth of Princess Rhaenys, her mother had been bedridden for half a year, and Prince Aegon's birth had almost been the death of her. She would bear no more children, the maesters told Prince Rhaegar afterward. "Daenerys Targaryen may yet come home one day," Connington told the Halfmaester. "Aegon must be free to marry her." - The Griffin Reborn, ADwD
In fact, their entire undertaking depends on it:
"And when the pisswater prince was safely dead, the eunuch smuggled you across the narrow sea to his fat friend the cheesemonger, who hid you on a poleboat and found an exile lord willing to call himself your father. It does make for a splendid story, and the singers will make much of your escape once you take the Iron Throne … assuming that our fair Daenerys takes you for her consort." "She will. She must." [...] Be certain you reach Westeros before my sister falls and someone more competent takes her place." "But," Prince Aegon said, "without Daenerys and her dragons, how could we hope to win?" "You do not need to win," Tyrion told him. "All you need to do is raise your banners, rally your supporters, and hold, until Daenerys arrives to join her strength to yours." - Tyrion VI, ADwD
"We need the girl. We need the marriage. If Daenerys accepts our princeling and takes him for her consort, the Seven Kingdoms will do the same. Without her, the lords will only mock his claim and brand him a fraud and a pretender. [...] Once we land and raise our banners, many and more will flock to join us." "Some," allowed Homeless Harry, "not many. Rhaegar's sister has dragons. Rhaegar's son does not. We do not have the strength to take the realm without Daenerys and her army. Her Unsullied." - The Lost Lord, ADwD
Quite contradictory to the popular, but entirely theoretical head canon of Arianne and Aegon marrying, you and many have decided to canonize all in pursuit to despite Daenerys Targaryen.
Dorne's alliance with Aegon also remains entirely a speculation; as of now, Arianne has been sent by her father to find out if there could be an ounce of truth to his tale. Nothing more. A negotiation about Dorne's support is not even on the table for House Martell.
TWoW excerpts even has Doran state that should Aegon’s parentage be true, his war is a folly:
"He comes with sellswords, but no dragons," Prince Doran had told her, the night the raven came. "The Golden Company is the best and largest of the free companies, but ten thousand mercenaries cannot hope to win the Seven Kingdoms. Elia's son... I would weep for joy if some part of my sister had survived, but what proof do we have that this is Aegon?" His voice broke when he said that. "Where are the dragons?" he asked. "Where is Daenerys?" and Arianne knew that he was really saying, "Where is my son?" - Arianne I, TWoW
And given the fact that he is notorious for only fighting wars he is certain to win and still clinches to hope of Quentyn returning with Daenerys and her dragons, it's more than doubtful Doran will pledge his loyalty, declare open rebellion to the Iron Throne and lead his people into such a war for a green boy, with far too little soldiers for his cause and whose heritage is more than dubious:
Could this truly be Prince Aegon?" "Gregor Clegane ripped Aegon out of Elia's arms and smashed his head against a wall," Ser Daemon said. "If Lord Connington's prince has a crushed skull, I will believe that Aegon Targaryen has returned from the grave. Elsewise, no. This is some feigned boy, no more. A sellsword's ploy to win support." My father fears the same. - Arianne I, TWoT
Doran plays to win, whether at cyvasse or the game of thrones. - Arianne I, TWoW
As for "Dany taking great offense to it", this frankly doesn't even deserve to be adressed: something so incredibly hypothetical and theoretical as to what YOU like to imagine how Daenerys might react in the future to a marriage that is -as said- nothing but a popular head canon in very biased far-stretched speculations.
With his statement from 2006 at the Comic Conference, GRRM has shown that The Second Dance definitely doesn't have to indicate two Targaryens [pretender] fighting, when it doesn't even have to involve Dany.
However, even if it actually would mean a fight between Daenerys and Aegon, the title “Second Dance of Dragon” would definitely be questioning and ill-chosen: The first one as well as the name refers to battles fought on dragonbacks. Whereas the other succession wars of House Targaryen were titled as The Blackfyre Rebellions, likely because none of the claimants involved had dragons. As of now, Daenerys is half a world way in Essos together with her sons, the only three dragons in the world, while Aegon is in Westeros with no dragon. How exactly should this Second Dance unfold with Daenerys and her dragon sons on the one side and Aegon with none at all on the other? Or do we now restore to fabricating another elaborate and harebrained head canon where Aegon miraculously gains one of Daenerys's, and rides into battle against it very own mother?
If there will be a Second Dance of Dragons (who knows? The final product has indeed changed in many ways from the outdated original outline 1993) it's way more likely to describe a potential conflict between Euron Greyjoy -which GRRM has actively set up as the last great antagonist before The Other- established his lust after Daenerys and her dragons in AFfC and provided him with a tool that allegedly allows him to control dragons.
Their (Sansa & Arya) relationship may be strained, and their problems will need to be aired out eventually, but a conclusion and end to that said conflict between them is inevitable, and this quote foreshadows and predicts that future. - elegantwoes
A single quote CAN foreshadow/indicate certain futures, but it sure isn't "inevitable" nor should (a) quote(s) be the foundation to an endgame prediction/speculation. What matter first and foremost is what is actually presented in the text, which in context of Sansa and Arya relationship doesn't at all indicate to "their problems" being "aired out" nor is it a matter of one conflict that will "inevitably" end in a reconciliation as you presume.
Sansa bullied Arya for her entire life, because she found her "entirely unsatisfactory as sisters went", which mind you Sansa thought in the context of comparing her dead-believed(!) little sister to a stranger like Maegaery for superficialities, no less:
Sansa had once dreamt of having a sister like Margaery; beautiful and gentle, with all the world's graces at her command. Arya had been entirely unsatisfactory as sisters went. How can I let my sister marry Joffrey? - Sansa II, ASoS
In this context, this is even worse. Sansa in AGoT had no qualms of siding with Joffrey and antagonizing Arya after the conflict at the Trident, despite her witnessing how Joffrey swung his sword after her sister, how the Lannister search for Arya for four days with Jaime out to maim her, the Hound’s murder of Mycha and after Lady’s ordered death.
Even as little child, Sansa went out of her way to find a justification for her treatment of Arya through classism:
Why couldn't Arya be sweet and delicate and kind, like Princess Myrcella? She would have liked a sister like that.
Sansa could never understand how two sisters, born only two years apart, could be so different. It would have been easier if Arya had been a bastard, like their half brother Jon. She even looked like Jon, with the long face and brown hair of the Starks, and nothing of their lady mother in her face or her coloring. And Jon's mother had been common, or so people whispered. Once, when she was littler, Sansa had even asked Mother if perhaps there hadn't been some mistake. Perhaps the grumkins had stolen her real sister. But Mother had only laughed and said no, Arya was her daughter and Sansa's trueborn sister, blood of their blood. - Sansa I, AGoT
And when things became though, Sansa did not have any qualms about throwing Arya under the bus:
"I'm not like Arya," Sansa blurted. "She has the traitor's blood, not me. I'm good, ask Septa Mordane, she'll tell you, I only want to be Joffrey's loyal and loving wife." - Sansa IV, AGoT
This isn't a conflict hard to settle. A conflict would indicate that Arya and Sansa are equals, equally unwillingly to go along, which is not the case. Let alone in Sansa III AGoT, Arya repeatedly tries to make amends with Sansa and she throws Arya's efforts right back at her, she even says Arya should have been killed to lessen the sting of Joffrey and Cersei’s pride, instead of Lady:
It was running down her nose and stinging her eyes. Sansa wiped it away with a napkin. When she saw what the fruit in her lap had done to her beautiful ivory silk dress, she shrieked again. "You're horrible," she screamed at her sister. "They should have killed you instead of Lady!" [...] "Arya started it," Sansa said quickly, anxious to have the first word. "She called me a liar and threw an orange at me and spoiled my dress, the ivory silk, the one Queen Cersei gave me when I was betrothed to Prince Joffrey. She hates that I'm going to marry the prince. She tries to spoil everything, Father, she can't stand for anything to be beautiful or nice or splendid." Lord Eddard's voice was sharp with impatience. Arya raised her eyes. "I'm sorry, Father. I was wrong and I beg my sweet sister's forgiveness."[...] "What about my dress?" "Maybe … I could wash it," Arya said doubtfully. "Washing won't do any good," Sansa said. "Not if you scrubbed all day and all night. The silk is ruined." "Then I'll … make you a new one," Arya said. Sansa threw back her head in disdain. "You? You couldn't sew a dress fit to clean the pigsties." [...] "It won't be so bad, Sansa," Arya said. "We're going to sail on a galley. It will be an adventure, and then we'll be with Bran and Robb again, and Old Nan and Hodor and the rest." She touched her on the arm. "Hodor!" Sansa yelled. "You ought to marry Hodor, you're just like him, stupid and hairy and ugly!" She wrenched away from her sister's hand, stormed into her bedchamber, and barred the door behind her - Sansa III, AGoT
GRRM could have of course established Sansa's growth and change by having her scold herself for how she treated Arya or think of Arya fondly, realizing how much she actually loves her despite their differences or she could hope (like Jon or Bran constantly do) that Arya might have survived and worries about her, but that's not the case. Sansa thinks of her younger sister 12 times and shows no change, no self-reflection and no regrets.
We are in 6th book, it doesn't seem like GRRM intends for Sansa to develop much (in that department) and when/if they meet again, what definitely will be a topic is Sansa's part in Ned's execution:
The way I see it, it is not a case of all or nothing. No single person is to blame for Ned's downfall. Sansa played a role, certainly, but it would be unfair to put all the blame on her. But it would also be unfair to exonerate her. She was not privy to all of Ned's plans regarding Stannis, the gold cloaks, etc... but she knew more than just that her father planned to spirit her and Arya away from King's Landing. She knew when they were to leave, on what ship, how many men would be in their escort, who would have the command, where Arya was that morning, etc... all of which was useful to Cersei in planning and timing her move. - GRRM, April 10, 1999
There is little to no established foundation that Sansa and Arya will suddenly go along with each other, or more accurately that Sansa has shed her classism and misogyny and thus tolerates her non-conforming sister.
This habit of cherry picking a SINGLE quote and applying (in some cases deliberately twisting and/or taking it out of context) on characters and the outcomes of entire plots is so hared-brained. Especially when it comes to speculations. It completely omits the characters agency and consequences. Apparently Sansa's treatment of Arya has and shouldn't have no bearing on the story because they are Starks, and by this virtue they MUST be the bestest sisters.
Jon literally says to Stannis: "Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa." A Dance with Dragons - Jon IV
If Jon, supposedly, didn't care about Sansa, he wouldn't first of selflessly put aside his own ambitions (to become Lord of Winterfell) for Sansa's sake and b) get angry on her behalf when Stannis repeatedly reminds him of Sansa being 'lady lannister' and say he wants to bring death and destruction onto the Lannisters. - elegantwoes
First of Jon didn't "selflessly put aside his own ambitions" and definitely not "for Sansa's sake".
Jon always dreamed of inheriting Winterfell despite feeling guilty:
When Jon had been very young, too young to understand what it meant to be a bastard, he used to dream that one day Winterfell might be his. Later, when he was older, he had been ashamed of those dreams. Winterfell would go to Robb and then his sons, or to Bran or Rickon should Robb die childless. And after them came Sansa and Arya. Even to dream otherwise seemed disloyal, as if he were betraying them in his heart, wishing for their deaths. I never wanted this, he thought as he stood before the blue-eyed king and the red woman. I loved Robb, loved all of them . . . I never wanted any harm to come to any of them, but it did. And now there's only me. All he had to do was say the word, and he would be Jon Stark, and nevermore a Snow. - Jon XI, ASoS
The girls were never considered to inherited Winterfell. Prior to all the events, they were meant to marry into other noble familys and built alliances for House Stark.
His sisters Arya and Sansa would marry the heirs of other great houses and go south as mistress of castles of their own. - Jon I, AGoT
He refused Stannis call because i) he wouldn't suffer the heart tree being burnt as price:
To claim his father's castle, he must turn against his father's gods. [...]
The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman's hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods. - Jon XII, ASoS
ii) he feels obligated to his vows:
All he had to do was pledge this king his fealty, and Winterfell was his. All he had to do . . .
. . . was forswear his vows again.
And this time it would not be a ruse. - Jon XII, ASoS
How many times will he make me say it? "My sword is sworn to the Night's Watch." - Jon IV, ADwD
iii) his inferiore complex installed by Catelyn is holding him back:
It was not Lord Eddard's face he saw floating before him, though; it was Lady Catelyn's. With her deep blue eyes and hard cold mouth, she looked a bit like Stannis. Iron, he thought, but brittle. She was looking at him the way she used to look at him at Winterfell, whenever he had bested Robb at swords or sums or most anything. Who are you? that look had always seemed to say. This is not your place. Why are you here? - Jon XII, ASoS
iv) and fears what openly collaborating with Stannis and defying House Lannister would mean for the Night Watch, the north and ultimately for the War of the Dawn. Neither does he get angry at Stannis, when he rightfully refers to Sansa as Lady Lannister.
Jon uses Sansa's "claim" twice as polite excuses to refuse Stannis, and both times Stannis and Jon are aware of that.
"How can I lose men I do not have? I had hoped to bestow Winterfell on a northman, you may recall. A son of Eddard Stark. He threw my offer in my face." Stannis Baratheon with a grievance was like a mastiff with a bone; he gnawed it down to splinters. "By right Winterfell should go to my sister Sansa." "Lady Lannister, you mean? Are you so eager to see the Imp perched on your father's seat? I promise you, that will not happen whilst I live, Lord Snow." Jon knew better than to press the point. "Sire, some claim that you mean to grant lands and castles to Rattleshirt and the Magnar of Thenn." - Jon I, ADwD
"Horpe and Massey aspire to your father's seat. Massey wants the wildling princess too. He once served my brother Robert as squire and acquired his appetite for female flesh. Horpe will take Val to wife if I command it, but it is battle he lusts for. As a squire he dreamed of a white cloak, but Cersei Lannister spoke against him and Robert passed him over. Perhaps rightly. Ser Richard is too fond of killing. Which would you have as Lord of Winterfell, Snow? The smiler or the slayer?"
Jon said, "Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa."
"I have heard all I need to hear of Lady Lannister and her claim." The king set the cup aside. "You could bring the north to me. [...]
How many times will he make me say it? "My sword is sworn to the Night's Watch."- Jon IV, ADwD
If there is someone angry, it's Stannis, because his hope to rally the north behind Ned's son with unquestionable claim and heritage is lost. While Jon immediately changes topic after he uses the excuse to dodged the conversation, yet again.
A very sorry excuse, given that no northern House will ever truly consider Sansa as the rightful heir to Winterfell: as it would mean Tyrion Lannister -a son of the despised Tywin Lannister, the one responsible for the red wedding- would their lawful Lord of Winterfell. They would never stand for it. Not to mention, Sansa has been missing and on top of that Robb has disinherited her in his will.
For Sansa's claim to have any value, a dozen of lengthy incredibly specific and improbable speculations all in favor for Sansa would need to become canon; such as i) reclaiming her identity without direwolf, nor the significant Stark look or a relative in vicinity to vouch for her ii) finding a way to invalidate Robb's royal declare and iii) convince the High Septon to annul her marriage to Tyrion. And even if all of them somehow become canon, why oh why would the misogynistic patriarchal lords of the merciless north ever advocate and choose a young maiden, a southern Lady in everything held hostage as leader? Especially when there will be dozen of claimants and more competent seasoned, well connected ambitious men ready to size every opportunity to become Lord of Winterfell themselves?
So no, Jon definitely didn't refuse Winterfell for the non existing claim of a dead-believed/missing married sister. The on, he was least close to when they were children and who is utterly absent from his mind when he was debating whether to accept.
As for "It's death and destruction I want to bring down upon House Lannister, not scorn.", this quote has nothing, ABSOLUTE NOTHING to do with Sansa or Jon's feelings about her.
"Well, he will not want it said that Stannis rode to the defense of the realm whilst King Tommen was playing with his toys. That would bring scorn down upon House Lannister."
"It's death and destruction I want to bring down upon House Lannister, not scorn." Jon read from the letter. "The Night's Watch takes no part in the wars of the Seven Kingdoms. Our oaths are sworn to the realm, and the realm now stands in dire peril. Stannis Baratheon aids us against our foes from beyond the Wall, though we are not his men …" - Jon II, ADwD
It was written in the context of Jon and Sam's talking about how best to handle the situation to reduce the risk for the Night Watch's existence was House Lannister regime to prevail and Stannis to fall. (The more likely outcome of the war) Sam and Jon were trying to convincing him to sign a "paper shield" against Tywin's worth.
If there is any sibling Jon subconsciously may have thought of is Bran. As Jon was recalling Bran and Tommen wooden sword fight in Winterfell and how injustice of Tommen being King while Bran is supposedly dead:
"At Winterfell, Tommen fought my brother Bran with wooden swords," Jon said, remembering. "He wore so much padding he looked like a stuffed goose. Bran knocked him to the ground." He went to the window and threw the shutters open. The air outside was cold and bracing, though the sky was a dull grey. "Yet Bran's dead, and pudgy pink-faced Tommen is sitting on the Iron Throne, with a crown nestled amongst his golden curls." - Jon II, ADwD
If there are any other family members fates Jon might have thought of, it would be Eddard and Robb, not Sansa. Sansa and her precious claim are utterly absent in Jon's thoughts.
Also, i have a hard time accepting Jon not liking Sansa, when the people he's closest to at the Watch (Sam and Satin) share several personality traits, and character descriptions with Sansa. - elegantwoes
This is just a deliberate misinterpretation of Jon's friendship with Sam and Satin and a poor attempt to form any sort of connection between four fundamentally different characters. It absolute delusion to fabricate any kind of basis for a paring which only exists as such in fan fiction.
GRRM deconstructs bastardy and classism in Jon's arc. @jackoshadows has already summeraized Jon's friendship with them perfectly:
He befriends Sam and Satin because they were punished and looked down on by society based on their looks and abilities. Jon identifies with them as someone punished by society because of his birth. He thinks Sam and Satin should be judged based on their merit and actions rather than on their birth, looks or physicality. - @jackoshadows
He sure as hell didn't befriends them because they share "several personality traits and character descriptions" explicitly with Sansa, but because he sees their value and talents and is appalled by how society treats them, similar how he has been treated as less (including Sansa for the matter) for his birth.
What "traits" and "character descriptions" should that even be? Ones sansa stans arrogantly claim to be exclusively referring to her?
The attempt to exclusively claim generic, descriptive adjectives such as "soft", "sweet" and human reactions and hobbies such as singing, dancing or crying in Jon's POV to Sansa is nothing but proof of some people media illiteracy.
If GRRM wanted to make a conscious meaningful connection between a character and Jon, highlight their closeness despite miles separating them, he would have done so by mentioning their name in his POV. A perfect example of this, is Jon’s pattern of comparing every girl to Arya: GRRM makes the deliberate choice to have Jon think of Arya when he notices Ygritte’s messy hair or Alyss body type. This is how an author makes his intentions to portray a strong love between two characters clear. If Sam and Satin supposedly share "traits and descriptions" (ilmao) with Sansa, GRRM would have made it more obvious, but he didn't, because it not intended for them to have any close bond.
What also contradicts your poor assumption on why Jon befriends Sam and Satin, is Jon's own sexism and contempt for conforming women/girls:
A warrior princess, he decided, not some willowy creature who sits up in a tower, brushing her hair and waiting for some knight to rescue her. - Jon XI, ADwD
This line could also perfectly describe Sansa's stay in King's Landing and her constant wish to be saved. (x, x, x,)
Also, whatever "social prejudices" there is between Jon and Sansa, is effectively being rooted out, by Sansa masquerading as a bastard-born (Alayne Stone).
Indeed Sansa masquerades as bastard-born in the vale and has not once, question her treatment -being distant to Jon, referring to Jon as bastard half brother- how she looked down upon him. Not surprising at all, considering that she has literally forgotten his very existence till someone else mentions Jon's name:
Myranda gave her a shrewd little smile. "Yes, she was the very soul of wisdom, that good lady." She shifted her seat. "Why must mules be so bony and ill-tempered? Mya does not feed them enough. A nice fat mule would be more comfortable to ride. There's a new High Septon, did you know? Oh, and the Night's Watch has a boy commander, some bastard son of Eddard Stark's." "Jon Snow?" she blurted out, surprised. "Snow? Yes, it would be Snow, I suppose." She had not thought of Jon in ages. - Alayne II, AFfC
In contrast to her mother Catelyn, who as soon as she meets another bastard Mya Stone thinks of Jon and feels guilty:
It did not please her; it was an effort for Catelyn to keep the smile on her face. Stone was a bastard’s name in the Vale, as Snow was in the north, and Flowers in Highgarden; in each of the Seven Kingdoms, custom had fashioned a surname for children born with no names of their own. Catelyn had nothing against this girl, but suddenly she could not help but think of Ned’s bastard on the Wall, and the thought made her angry and guilty, both at once. She struggled to find words for a reply. - Catelyn VI, AGoT
It perfectly shows how fundamental insignificant Jon is to Sansa. A mutual sentiment: as Jon thinks of her 12 times in his 42 POV chapters and gave 0 damn about Sansa being forcefully married off. The news about her marriage aren’t even mentioned in his POVs, while the ones about Tyrion becoming a kinslayer did:
If the tales coming up the kingsroad could be believed, the King's Hand had been murdered by his dwarf son whilst sitting on a privy. Jon had known Tyrion Lannister, briefly. He took my hand and named me friend. It was hard to believe the little man had it in him to murder his own sire, but the fact of Lord Tywin's demise seemed to be beyond doubt. - Jon III, ADwD
A stark contrast to how he feels about his other sister's marriage:
"He's to marry Arya Stark. My little sister." Jon could almost see her in that moment, long-faced and gawky, all knobby knees and sharp elbows, with her dirty face and tangled hair. They would wash the one and comb the other, he did not doubt, but he could not imagine Arya in a wedding gown, nor Ramsay Bolton's bed. No matter how afraid she is, she will not show it. If he tries to lay a hand on her, she'll fight him. "Your sister," Iron Emmett said, "how old is …" By now she'd be eleven, Jon thought. Still a child. "I have no sister. Only brothers. Only you." Lady Catelyn would have rejoiced to hear those words, he knew. That did not make them easier to say. His fingers closed around the parchment. Would that they could crush Ramsay Bolton's throat as easily. - Jon VI, ADwD
He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … "I think we had best change the plan," Jon Snow said. - Jon XIII, ADwD
And in stark contrast to how other family members -that actually care about Sansa's wellbeing and claim- reacted:
Robb took her hand. “They married her to Tyrion Lannister.” Catelyn’s fingers clutched at his. “The Imp.” “He’s the Kingslayer’s brother. Oathbreaking runs in their blood.” Robb’s fingers brushed the pommel of his sword. “If I could I’d take his ugly head off. Sansa would be a widow then, and free. There’s no other way that I can see. They made her speak the vows before a septon and don a crimson cloak.” Catelyn remembered the twisted little man she had seized at the crossroads inn and carried all the way to the Eyrie. “I should have let Lysa push him out her Moon Door. My poor sweet Sansa … why would anyone do this to her?” - Catelyn IV, ASoS
Much is made of the "Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again." quote. Out of context, it's often used to argue for a deep familial bond between the distant siblings Jon and Sansa (or god forbid a (possible) romantic relationship) but when put in context:
He was only her half brother, but still . . . with Robb and Bran and Rickon dead, Jon Snow was the only brother that remained to her. I am a bastard too now, just like him. Oh, it would be so sweet, to see him once again. But of course that could never be. Alayne Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise. - Alyane II, AFfC
Sansa thinks of Jon Snow for the first time as a brother, now that all of her true(born) brothers are dead and now that she has sunk so low that she has to parade as bastard and is nothing more than a begger. She is nostalgic, thinks of Jon as the last relic of her once happy secure childhood. The one forever lost to her "But of course that could never be. Alyane Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise". It will be quite interesting to see, how she will view him once he isn't a sweet relic to her past, but a political rival, whose claim threatens hers.
Before they even met Sansa is already coming to understand some of the pain Jon went through. So no, contrary, to what you belief Jon and Sansa would go along just fine. - elegantwoes
Where? Where does Sansa "come to understand some of the pain Jon went through"?
Sansa plays "Lady of the Eyrie" as she masquerades as Alyane, plans a lavish feast, is allowed to wear Lysa Arryn's wardrobe, is LF's complice and they attempt to score her the most eligible bachelor of the Vale. Sansa, especially as Alyane, has no idea how Jon felt as a child, who thought every bite is begrudged him (x) and had no place in the world (x, x, x,) She has no idea how it feels to be discriminated, mocked and actively held back by everbody because of her birth.
Her greatest problem so far was Harry being as much of a classist as her, to her:
"If it please you, I will show you to your chambers myself." This time her eyes met Harry's. She smiled just for him, and said a silent prayer to the Maiden. Please, he doesn't need to love me, just make him like me, just a little, that would be enough for now.Ser Harrold looked down at her coldly. "Why should it please me to be escorted anywhere by Littlefinger's bastard?" [...] You will not want green boys underfoot when the knights come round to beg you for your favor. "Who would ask to wear a bastard's favor?" [...] "I have heard that you are about to be a father." It was not something most girls would say to their almost-betrothed, but she wanted to see if Ser Harrold would lie. "For the second time. My daughter Alys is two years old." Your bastard daughter Alys, Alayne thought, but what she said was, "That one had a different mother, though." - Alayne I, TWoW
For Sansa the problem here isn't that Harry is a rude classist, but that she personally is the victim of his classism.
"He's horrible. "The world is full of horrors, sweet. By now you ought to know that. You've seen enough of them." "Yes," she said, "but why must he be so cruel? He called me your bastard. Right in the yard, in front of everyone." - Alayne I, TWoW
And not even in this occasione does Sansa think of her bastard half brother.
Also a snide rude comment is not comparable to Jon having to endure and prevail through all the social prejudices against bastards his entire life.
So no, Sansa hasn't at all grasped "(some of) the pain Jon went through", if she would, she would have thought more frequently of him instead of forgetting his very existence and reflect on her treatment of him.
All these things considered –Jon's sexism, Sansa's classism, their differences to each other– no Sansa and Jon have little to no reason to "get along just fine", but their shared thirst for power (Jon always wanted to be Lord of Winterfell and Sansa always wanted to be Queen) gives them every reason to clash in the future, if they will ever meet again.
Re: Them, about the original outlined conflict between Bran Stark vs. Jon Snow:
What?????!!!!!! Now you are blatantly grasping at nonexistent storylines. There is no form of conflict between Jon and Bran whatsoever. The fact that you needed to use the Outline says enough. Now who is making headcanons right now??!!! - elegantwoes
Yes, in fact there was a "form of conflict between Jon and Bran" planned in the outline:
By the end of A Game of Thrones (the first novel)……………onto the Iron Throne with a bit……………premature death, Bran sits free. Yet his seat is hardly a comfortable one. In the North, Jon Snow is his bitter enemy. - source
The habit of canonizing head canons by subfandoms (sansa stans at the forefront, when it comes to this) to making references to the original outline from the author (whose planned endgames GRRM has repeatedly stated hasn't changed) is not comparable and shouldn't be.
Imagine saying such thing when this iconic line exist for a good reason:
When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives. Summer is the time for squabbles. In winter, we must protect one another, keep each other warm, share our strengths (A Game of Thrones - Arya II)
[repeats the same qoute 3 times]
Ned says this to Arya, in order to remind her that unity among the Stark siblings is crucial. No matter whatever conflicts there is (canon one and fanon ones you created) the Starklings will resolve them, and work together when Winter finally comes. A Stark unity is going to happen and there's nothing you can do about that fact. - elegantwoes
As already stated, a single qoute CAN foreshadow/indicate such a future, but it sure isn't "inevitable" nor should (a) qoute(s) be the foundation to an endgame prediction/speculation.
As you already pointed out Ned explicitly only mention the "iconic line" to Arya, and her alone. Which I personally always found very odd, considering that i) Arya is known to gets along with everybody, while Sansa can neither gets along with her sister nor with her half brother Jon, while Robb, Bran and Rickon never had such problems ii) Ned witnessed Arya and Sansa's conflict, so he knows who doesn't want to budge to settle matters.
Afterall, it takes two to settle them and Sansa has repeatedly shown to have no interest in doing so. So Sansa is completely oblivious to the "iconic line" and it shows.
Not that it would make any sense for Sansa to go along with her siblings, considering her reason for existing:
Arya was one of the first characters created. Sansa came about as a total opposite b/c too many of the Stark family members were getting along and familes aren't like that. Thus, Sansa was created; he ended by saying they have deep issues to work out. - GRRM, CALIFORNIA; NOVEMBER 11, 2000
So, no "a unity among the Stark siblings" is neither "inevitable" nor is it a given that the "the Starklings will resolve [their conflicts], and work together when Winter finally comes." It's likely, given GRRM obvious favoritism, but nothing is set in stone, especially not Sansa's future given:
In regards to the conversation about the dire wolves and the Starks the point was made (I forget by whom) that Lady was dead and Sansa still alive to which I replied that Sansa wasn't really much of a Stark anymore. IIRC (this is a little hazy), at this point GRRM kind of leaned back in his chair, smiled and said something to the effect of "A very astute observation." - GRRM, ARCHON MEETING, OCTOBER 5 2001
Finally, elegantwoes's response to my post is a perfect example of the asoiaf!fandom habits I despise the most; the way head canons and personal preferences are blatantly forced onto the narrative, ii) how endgames to major plots and arcs are brazenly made up, proclaimed as canon no matter how far-stretched they are or how drastically GRRM would be forced to contradict himself and change the established course and iii) the arrogant choice of words such as "inevitably" to canonize such endgames, as if anyone within the fandom would even have the right to do so.
The most hilarious thing in all of this, is that I'm not even sure that there won't be a conflict between Aegon and Daenerys nor that that there will be ones between the Starks. I personally believe neither of these conflicts will unfold due to the pacing of the story. However, what I wanted to point out in my previous post was the fandom's hyper fixation on speculations featuring ones between Aegon and Daenerys and the denial, when it comes to the Starks.Elegantwoes was so generous to provide me with a perfect example of what I was criticising.
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