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storybook-with-a-hug · 2 years

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Fix-It Miraculously: Analyzing Alya (Season 1 focus)

So, with the next chapter in my story being another of the OC chapters, it gives me a chance to explore the supporting cast more. Though over-all the chapter is going to be Adrien-centric, one of the things I’m doing in it is exploring his relationships with other people besides Marinette. Particularly, this chapter is going to focus rather heavily on the budding friendship between him and Alya on both sides of his mask. To do so, though, I figured I’d take the chance to expand a bit more on my take on Alya and who she is as a character in the start of the series.

So I don’t think anyone would call it a stretch to say Alya is a very passionate person. She’s the sort to throw herself head-long and completely into every new theory she comes up with an exuberance that is quite admirable. She is fiercely loyal and always wants to do the right thing, even if she doesn’t always go about it in the best way.

However, the problems of her character are so intrinsically linked to the best parts of her character that it’s more to say she takes her best qualities too far and hasn’t yet learned how to temper herself to an appropriate reaction. Which is not to say she’s strictly in the wrong or that she’s a bad character/friend/person, just that she’s a young teen (13 in my story, probably 14 in canon, but this is an analysis for my story specifically so I’m making her 13) who still has a lot to learn.

As such, Alya has three glaring problems that over the course of this story she will learn to address. Her primary problem, which isn’t even so much of a “her” thing as it is an age/experience thing, is that she tends to jump to conclusions too quickly and then once she’s latched on she has a lot of problems letting go. This was her big problem with the “Chloe is Ladybug” theory in Lady WiFi, she made a conclusion and then set out to make her proof match her theory and disregarded everything that countered her foregone conclusion instead of letting the facts prove of disprove the hypothesis. If she had taken the time to step back and examine her facts, or listen to the advice of those around her, she never would have gotten herself in that situation. And while getting getting suspended and proven thoroughly wrong was a bit of a nasty wake-up call for her, she hasn’t quite learned her lesson yet.

She jumped to conclusions again in Pharaoh, where she (rightfully) believed Ladybug was a student in her grade in her school and then (wrongfully) changed her mind to believe that Ladybug was an ancient Egyptian demi-goddess that’s thousands of years old. Now, beyond the fact that in the canon episode Alya apparently found the book, researched what schools used it and how many girls were in their school year, went all the way to Marinette’s house, and then all the way to the Louvre and spent all that time looking at the scroll without ever once even bothering to open the front cover of the book and see Marinette’s name written in it, the fact that she so easily believed this lie makes me think it has something to do with the quantum masking that protects their identities. That’s why in my rewrite of the episode I had Chat Noir start to fall for it before Ladybug reminded him of the facts and knocked him out of it. It’s also for this reason that I had Alya mistakenly believe that Chat Noir was the Fairy King of Cats after he started dropping names related to such.

So, while she hasn’t completely learned her lesson yet, the first steps have been taken. She still has a ways to go on this point, this problem won’t start really being fixed until season 3-4 where she starts settling down out of fangirl mode and actually taking her journaling more seriously. By that point, she’ll be 14-15, have been a hero on the front lines of this war herself, and had suffered a few more wake-up calls that each move her a little further in the direction of a mature young woman who is competent at her job.

Next real problem, which is also in great part due to her age, is Alya’s inability to get out of her own head. I don’t mean that in a mean way, but children are horrible at seeing the big picture and truly empathizing with those around them. They lack the experience and they lack the basic brain development that lets them get out of their own head and really understand other people and the consequences to their actions. Alya’s still very much in that place where she goes “well, I can do it with no problem, so you should be able to as well!” Especially where Marinette is concerned. She can talk to Adrien easily, so Marinette should also be fine doing so. She comes from a large supportive and loving family who like any family that has many siblings is full of teasing and banter and she’s fine with it, so Marinette should have no problem with her making fun of her either. She doesn’t know of any commitments to Marinette’s time, so therefore Marinette can’t possibly be busy and if she says she is it’s only with sleeping.

The problem is that, in my story especially, Marinette’s past is that of a bullied child. And just like how Alya can’t get out of her own head to realize her and Marinette’s situations are different, children have a hard time getting out of their own heads to realize the long-term damage they’re doing to their target by bullying them. And as such, otherwise nice children can be downright cruel and torturous towards their target when swept up in the mob mentality and given basically a green light to do whatever they want to someone. Marinette is a very strong girl to be able to pull through something like that with an intact sense of right and wrong and a disposition of STILL wanting to help people. It’s why she was chosen as Ladybug, a hero to save the whole world from a megalomaniac. But it also means she’s not equipped to take friendly teasing. She is desperate to keep that one friend that she’s gotten after being alone for so long, so she’s not going to stand up for herself and tell Alya off for saying hurtful things, but for a self-esteem as fragile as Marinette’s is at the start of the series that doesn’t mean those sorts of things aren’t still counterproductive.

Now, don’t get me wrong: in no way is Alya trying to be mean to Marinette or reaffirm the kinds of harsh words her bullies used. But Alya doesn’t strike me as someone who’s been the target of long-term bullying before, given how confident and brazen she is. She doesn’t have a frame of reference for understanding the sorts of things Marinette faced while she was growing up or how her words cold be misconstrued. To Alya, she’s just being playful and treating Marinette as part of her family. To Alya, Marinette is as good as another sister, with all the love and bickering that goes along with it. But Marinette is an only child and didn’t grow up with sibling banter, so being treated like that doesn’t hold the same emotions for her that it does for Alya. Not yet at least.

This is further proven by the fact that in season 1, Marinette doesn’t ever really sass Alya back. She complains about Alya a few times behind her back to various individuals, but she’s not yet comfortable enough with the friendship to be snarky or put Alya in her place when Alya throws out a few lines like that making fun of Marinette over something. At this point in their relationship, Marinette is just taking it like a victim, and Alya doesn’t have the knowhow to be able to recognize this behaviour and alter her own.

And this sort of leads into her third main flaw: disregarding others personal boundaries. Alya is almost notorious for not listening when people tell her “no” and pushing on anyway because she wants something. Be that to quell her insatiable curiosity about something or seeing her best friend achieve her happily ever after with the boy of her dreams. When Alya wants something, she is relentless and nothing anyone else has to say or think on the matter means anything to her.

Ladybug’s life could be in danger because her identity was publicly revealed? Don’t care, I wanna know the answer to the secret so let’s all get excited together about figuring it out! Marinette’s on the verge of a panic attack, freaking out and spiralling because she’s not ready to take that next step in her relationship with Adrien yet? Don’t care, I wanna see my ship sail because it’s fun to get swept up in the drama of it all just like a real-life romcom so I’m gonna force it anyway! An akuma’s attacking and going near it could endanger her life and make Ladybug and Chat Noir’s job all the harder because they’re having to protect the kid that keeps running on to the battle field? Don’t care, I wanna live my dream and enjoy the excitement of seeing real lives superheroes fighting a real life supervillain and get loads of views on my blog while doing so! Marinette is being extremely insistent about a prior engagement that she’s trying very hard to keep secret? Don’t care, I wanna see my ship sail and any prior engagement is either a flat out lie or I demand to know all the deets because my best friend isn’t allowed to have anything in her life that is personal and private and I’m not intimately part of!

Admittedly, most of these sorts of problems stem from an honest desire in Alya to help out and make a difference in the world, mixed with her black-and-white morality and inability to get out of her own head, as well as her boundless thirst for knowledge about everything and anything that interests her. And while all of it (save perhaps the morality bit, but again, she’s still a child and kids tend to have trouble seeing the shades of gray between) it can be problematic at the levels she takes it to.

Do people occasionally need a push to get them to take the actions they really and truly desire to make their lives better? Sometimes, yes. But those pushes have to be situational and you have to be willing to listen to the person you’re giving a push to in order to understand if they really need a push or if they just need time. When Marinette was having troubles getting up the guts to actually hand Adrien his birthday present? Yeah, giving Marinette a bit of a push to get her actually out there and talking to the boy was the right call. Perhaps going out with her and helping lead the conversation might have made it easier on Marinette and actually guaranteed he got the gift, but she believed Marinette could do it on her own. Encouraging Marinette to stand up to Chloe in the Origins episode? Definitely okay, as Marinette more just needed to be assured that she wouldn’t be abandoned completely for putting her foot down than actually be pushed to stand up for herself as Alya more let Marinette take the lead and just followed her cues and gave her unwavering support in taking her chair back. Pressing the call button on Marinette’s phone when the girl is insisting she’s not ready to ask Adrien out yet and can’t read aloud the script she wrote her without even giving her the chance to read it over and prepare at all? Not cool. Dragging Marinette away from an actual job she’s supposed to be doing (babysitting Manon) in order to go out and stalk Adrien at his place of work? Again, not cool.

But for Alya to start learning her lesson about how much is okay to push and when, people really have to start putting their foot down and refusing to budge and pointing out Alya’s bad behaviour for what it is. And unfortunately, Marinette really isn’t the sort of person who is able to do that short of being pushed too far and blowing up with her lashing out. Alya’s gonna need someone else to teach her what is and is not okay as far as pushing other people to get her way, and someone other than Alya is going to have to be the one to be there for Marinette to let her know it’s alright to tell Alya to back off sometimes when she’s getting too pushy about things. Thankfully there’s an entire girlsquad to choose from, but friendships between the squad have to develop a bit more before something like that can start really taking affect.

So, basically in conclusion, while Alya may be a wonderful person on her own and even a pretty good friend, I don’t really think she’s the best friend a girl like Marinette needs. At least, not so early in their respective character arcs. With a bit of growth on both ends, they could develop into something closer to what each of them requires. Or they could diverge into a state of merely being friends instead of best friends as they each find other things to fill their time and other relationships to complete themselves with.

So then what other things are there for Alya? Well, most blatantly for anyone who’s seen canon is her relationship with Nino. I don’t know about most of you, but I recall when my friends first started dating, that first relationship they had seemed to consume like 90% of their mental capacity. Their dates, what it was like to kiss, how fast should they be moving, that one funny thing he said last week that they just have to share, etc. Dating Nino would be a very easy and convenient way to distract Alya away from Marinette and give the other girl a chance to grow and develop.

Another, rather obvious option, is to expand her social circle to include their other friends. The girlsquad already exists. It is there and waiting for the opportunity to interact. Mixing Alya with the others so that Alya can learn boundaries and such with characters that have more self-esteem like Alix or Rose who aren’t afraid to speak their minds and feelings to Alya over how she’s behaving towards them would be a good way to start her on the process of personal growth without leaving everything on Marinette’s shoulders to initiate. It would also let Marinette see that just because you’re friends you can still speak up for yourself without ruining everything, and that real friends won’t hold it against you or abandon you for doing so. It would let her see and know that such things are okay and she could then follow their examples to start building up some boundaries of her own that are then respected.

Alternately, there’s also fulfilling parts of Alya’s desires in order to keep her distracted somewhat form other parts which is sort of what I start doing in this upcoming chapter using AdriChat. While Adrien Agreste (TM) had to grow up dealing with everything that was involved in being Adrien Agreste (TM) (*cough*Gabriel*cough*), he also grew up with having Chloe as his one and only friend. He’s shown as Chat Noir that he knows how to throw down in a verbal spar, and being poster boy for the Gabriel Brand I’d be very surprised if he was also not coached on how to talk to reporters and give an endless non-answers to any number of inane questions. So as Chat Noir, having successfully pulled the wool over Alya’s eyes and making her believe he was King of the Cat Fairies, he approaches her again for assistance in his investigations into the identity of Papillon. Now Alya, being Alya, as soon as she decided that Chat Noir was a character from Celtic Mythology, of course then went and looked up everything there was to know about dealing with fairies. Including rules of conduct and warnings about behaviour.

So when Chat Noir hands her all his combined data that he’s collected so far, requesting her to help him compile it all and to store it safely, but on the condition that she not tell anyone, she is both excited enough for the opportunity as well as scared enough about not offending him that she doesn’t dare refuse. I mean, gifts from fae are never what they seem and the rules of the contract are to be followed to the letter or else horrible consequences can occur. As much as she wants this, she can’t go blabbing and spreading the information around, it’s also filled with people’s personal experiences at their lowest moments and as much as she’s nosy, she does still seem like she WANTS to be respectful of others and be a good person. So now she’s his junior detective/sidekick and ripe for a friendship to blossom between the two. After all, they have so much in common, it’s shocking they’re not shown more in the show as being friends. They’re both huge geeks about superheroes, both huge Ladybug fans, both brand new students at the school, etc.

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theerurishipper · 6 months

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When I reflect on the show from an outsider's perspective, Adrien really strikes me as a resilient person. Back when it first aired, I was just 12, and my understanding of abuse and mental health wasn't all that great. While I could see that Gabriel was a lousy father, I found myself unintentionally blaming Adrien. I thought he was too much of a pushover, not strong enough to stand up for himself when he needed to.

Due to my fortunate upbringing with supportive parents, I was initially unaware that parents could be harmful to their children. In my youth, I viewed the world through rose-tinted glasses. Reflecting on my growth, I appreciate the journey, but I find it troubling that the show seems to endorse abuse without the writers or creator addressing it, and instead, they seem to reinforce it in season 5.

As I've grown older and seen the show take a darker turn in portraying Adrien's situation, my viewpoint has shifted. With more life experience, I now truly grasp how tough Adrien has it. Some folks praise him for handling his trauma, especially compared to Chloe, who lashes out. But to me, both characters carry a weight of sadness from being taken advantage of in different ways.

The moment the show showed the printed document desire of Adrien wanting to be Marinette's girlfriend, it gave me the creeps. It became clear that he lacks a personal dream to hold onto, and I feel like there are metaphorical strings tying him to both Marinette and Gabriel. Like to me it's like he went from being controlled from his own father and now his girlfriend is doing the same.

Like he has no aspirations, no goals, all he craves for is love and security in his partnership and he can't even get that and from the beginning Master Fu favors for Marinette really does tie everything together. Secrecy hidden from his partner, Secrecy of his own birth, how out of touch he is when he doesn't even get to learn who the identities of the miraculous wearers are but the villain Hawkmoth does. How bad is it really when Ladybug treats Alya like an equal partnership but you've been fighting crime with her longer and battling akumas. I'd be mega salty I'd destroy more than the chimney too lol.

Adrien's backstory really has the groundwork for him potentially turning into a villain if this was in any other show but MLB lol . The show portrays everyone, including his parents, as complicit in a deception that has shaped his entire life. Given the circumstances, I believe I would be worse off than him if put in a similar situation. This is why I believe he is more compassionate individual than the fandom gives him credit for.

~ Like I feel sad for the poor kid

I don't even have anything else to add, just... all of this. Just free my boy, fucking let him go. He deserves so much better.

Thank you for your ask!

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miraculouslbcnreactions · 1 month

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I don't think there will be an apology coming from Félix for whatever bad deed he had done and that's always make me baffled in this show : the lack of apology on screen. This is more apparent in s4 onward. Even Ladybug didn't actually apologized to Chat Noir despite her rant in Strike Back and not to mention the lack of changed behavior after that. It's the same with Félix, he's good now the show said, it's as if we should assume there's an apology happened somewhere off screen. I know this show is like "Show, don't tell" but for a show for a little kid, I think they should shown an on screen apology because that would be a good example for them.

On the other topic,

How believable Félix's play is? Like, his whole character seems to be all about facade, charade, deception and lie and it make me skeptical to everything he said or do. How much he said is truth and how much is a lie, I couldn't tell. The retcon doesn't help either and at this point I feel want to dissect his brain to get to know just what's inside his mind lmao.

Canon is super weird about letting people apologize. We almost never see it happen even when we really should. For example, it will always low-key bother me that Marinette never apologized to Adrien for yelling at him over the gum incident. I do get why, it would have ruined the flow of the scene, but still...

A few other random apologies that I long to see:

Nino apologizing to Adrien for almost getting him pulled from school

Alya apologizing to Marinette for all the Lila BS

Alya acknowledging that trying to out Ladybug's secret identity was a bit of a dick move (not really salty about this one, I just think it would have been good character growth and that it kinda needed to happen before Alya was given a miraculous of her own)

Felix apologizing for everything he did to Ladybug

Nino apologizing to Alya for outing her secret identity and acknowledging that he'll never do that again since he now understands how important secret identities are

Before we get to your other question, I wanted to mention that show don't tell doesn't mean that characters should never say things! There are lots of things that can only be conveyed through words. The show don't tell rule primarily applies to exposition. Aka those scenes where a character or the narrator monologues about some event or bit of lore that the audience needs to know about.

Generally speaking, you want to avoid those moments whenever you can. However, exposition is sometimes the only way to get information across. It's not a major failing if your story has a bit of exposition somewhere along the way, you just want to use it sparingly! A lot of writers struggle with that, which is why there are so many writing guides that act like exposition is a bad thing. A stance that I will always fight against as I think it makes younger writers afraid to use a necessary and powerful tool.

How believable is Félix's play?

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing ends up getting retconned, but I also I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing ends up being canon straight to the end. It could really go either way.

A play is a good way to give exposition as it's far more interesting that a monologue, so this may just be a case of the writers giving good exposition. On the other hand, having a known liar deliver information allows you to say something without fully committing to it, so this may be the writers giving us lore in a way that they can backtrack on without a true retcon. It's impossible to say. Only time will tell.

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gale-gentlepenguin · 1 year

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So I know Representation came out today. And any good fan would wait a week before reviewing it as we still have episode 23 to watch.

GOOD THING IM A DEGENERATE

Gale Reviews: ML Season 5 episode 24 Representation

spoilers below

-So as expected, Chloé didnt stay mayor long. But Apparently Ms.Bustier is running for Mayor and might win

-Oh its the Fencing teacher/ guy who was Darkblade. Well clearly Ms.Bustier is going to win

-And Adrien and Kagami are a power couple? But Adrien is watching the news report while they are in London. Something seems VERY off

-Ah, Gabriel is behind it. And Adrien HATES it.

-"By letting your father decide your life and selling your story through a fake narrative as usual." DAMN Plagg holds no punches

-Plagg appologized though.

-Kagami is also pissed about it

-HEY ITS FELIX/ARGOS

-Wait ... is that really my chaotic son? HEARTS ON WINDOWS.

-Thats adorable, WTF

-Okay so THEY got some development.

-Adrien deciding to just say f*** it. He is heading to paris and Telling Marinette he's chat noir!

-Marinette back in paris looks miserable. Poor baby girl. Also its a lovely dress.

-Marinette has been crying. I am going to kill Gabriel

-Marinette being strong for her friends to enjoy this dance. Thats really big of her.

-Unfortunately, Spotlight.

-Wait, how did Argos and Kagami get to Paris BEFORE Astrochat? Unless they left much earlier but even then. My bet is Argos made a sentimonster that would warp them places... but that seems like BS.

-KAGAMI KNOWS MARINETTE IS LADYBUG?! Since perfection. Damn.

-KAGAMI TOLD FELIX!?!?!?! FELIX?!?!?! Okay I am a bit salty about that

-OH S***! THEY KISSED. The Feligami stans are Eating today.

-Felix is dressed like Adrien? Oh I do not like where this seems to be going.

-And Marinette thought she saw Adrien and wants to go after him while her friends are thanking her for everything she's done. Way to ruin a good moment FELIX you ass!

-Side note, WHY is Marinette the only one in a dress? Like its a dance? Why couldnt everyone Have dressed up? Seriously, I know outfit renders are expensive. DID THE KITCHEN COST THAT MUCH?

-Marinette avoiding the Lesbian bee and accidentally interrupting the Bi artist and writer. Sure is Pride month in Paris.

-Okay this is just cruel. Marinette thinks she is having a break down over this. Side note. WHY ISNT ADRIEN ACTUALLY HERE YET? HE IS ASTROCHAT!

-Alya and Nino trying to comfort her. But she aint listening.

-Adrien and Kagami escaped and the parents are pissed

-Oh no Nathalie looks really bad right now. Poor thing. All she can do is watch videos of her true love Emilie

-He took the ring back, guess now that Nathalie is too weak to fight him. Which really brings up the question, WHAT HAPPENED in the last episode that Nathalie took such a turn.

-Gabriel is being a d*** as usual

-Nightormentor sounds like a cool name. And while I thought the color scheme is weird... its probably the best akumatized form Gabriel has taken. Sad but true

-AND OF COURSE RIGHT AS SHE LEAVES ASTROCAT ARRIVES. I know its plot convenience but thats bull s***

-"His father CANT have that much control of him" Oh if only you knew Nino

-And BOOM! Gabriel the bitch agreste arrives

-I am liking Rose so much recently. She is calling out EVERYONE

-So he basically has the powers of Sandboy mixed with Darkerowl

-the guy has the power to make you experience VERY intrusive thoughts. That is evil

-Chat noir is like "Hey ladybug gonna go beat up my father text me later"

-Dude Felix must be an Olympic speed walker

-Marinette is basically being nightormented without that bastard even being here. Felix, Kagami this is just a jerk move.

Duusu: "This is so sad" Felix: "Dont worry its for Our happy ending" Duusu: F*** yea lets keep it up

-Oh he made a sentimonster... wait. I know its not human but like a sentimonster MAKING sentimonsters. Feels even more f***ed up

-THEY ARE DOING A F***ING PLAY FOR HER!?

-OH MY GOSH! ITS THE STORY OF EMILIE AND AMELIE!

-Meanwhile, Chat noir is working through his daddy issues.

-Back to the play

-Oh this is interesting.

-Oh and we find out Felix's dad was a rich Cowboy. But also an asshole. (Oh right, this is a French Cartoon, thats why American's suck in this)

-Back to Adrien fighting his father

-This is Cathartic watching Chat noir beat Gabriel's ASS

-HE WAS GOING TO CATACLYSM HIS DAD! Adrien, my boy. Patricide adrien? Well Monarch is still alive, so I guess you think it wouldnt kill him. BTW, Monarch should have had ptsd from that.

-And Chat noir got hit, so his worst fear is... and cuts back to the play

-Oh the twins were infertile. Emilie returned to try and get medical help but still nothing.

-The peacock, that was the sentimonster reference

-Oh so THATS how Gabriel got Gorilla to guard adrien.

-Also yea, any doubt that they arent sentimonsters is dead now.

-ITS CHAT BLANC WITH BLUE HAIR!?

-Oh s*** that is f***ed up.

-"It will end if you give me your miraculous"

-"Take it." ADRIEN NO!

-Oh so thats why Felix's dad was an a**hole. Okay I will give this credit. That is something.

-Welp this explains why Felix might be a sociopath

-Felix revealing why he did what he did

-THE RESISTANCE! COMING IN CLUTCH

-THE TRAY!

-ALYA JUMPED ON HIS BACK.

-They got the akuma in a jar.

-Wait, Chat noir defeated an akuma without Ladybug. (sure he had outside help, but Ladybug has done that too). Good on him

-WELL S*** THAT WAS TRIPPY.

-Felix and Kagami asked for Marinette's help. so was that all the sentimonster doing so? I am lost

-Okay so, I may not LIKE exactly how they went about it. But I cant really hate them for what they did. They are just kids that want to pick someone they trust.

-Oh s***, Ladybug never cast miraculous cure. So Adrien has some perminant trauma from the fight with Nightormentor. He still sees the antichat visions (its not chat blanc, and its just reverse color pallet)

-Chat noir left. before he could tell her. Cause the nightmare messed with him

-WAIT DID TOMOE AND GABRIEL JUST LOCK THEIR CHILDREN IN STERILE ROOMS? WTF!

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Okay! This episode was A LOT.

Well there is no denying Sentimonster theory. Its confirmed. Its done. 100% GUARANTEE NO MONEY BACK.

It did explain a LOT about Felix and Adrien.

So I am still iffy on how it was handled.

Now this DOES NOT justify Felix's Actions. He was still an a**hole. And Kagami shouldnt have told Felix. Marinette is Ladybug. That was NOT her secret to tell.

BUT the play that explained what happened was very well done. It explained a LOT about the Graham de Vanily family and Felix's a**hole father.

I will say that I hated how tortured Marinette was during this. Felix and Kagami could have done something less cruel to lure her there.

I also greatly enjoyed Chat noir vs Nightormentor. very good catharsis and we have Adrien going through some additional mental trauma, inflicted by his father (I wouldnt call it Ironic, more of EXPECTED)

I give it 7.5/10

I will say its the most I have enjoyed the second half of this season since Emotion.

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maddies-chronicles · 4 months

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rules - mlb DR.

i can't die (obvious rules are obvious)

no one i know can die (except gabriel bc that one's kinda integral to the storyline)

miraculi give basic powers of superstrength, sticking to buildings (like a bug), increased stamina, and increased ability to visualize (for plans and stuff)

teachers at francois dupont are actually good and they don't suck

french is my first language and i don't speak english (i kinda wanna know what english sounds like to people who don't speak it lol)

alya doesn't MFING SUCK (i haven't even watched the new season and i'm already salty on my big sister's behalf because what the FUCK was that)

secondary miraculi don't work the same way as core miraculi (ladybug and black cat)- instead of having one "big" power, there are usually about 3-4 "smaller" powers with individual time limits

i know everything on tests

#shifting #reality shifting #shifting community #shifting realities #reality shift #shifting antis dni #shifters #desired reality #shift #shiftblr #shifting to mlb #shifting to miraculous #shifting to miraculous ladybug

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preciouslittletoonette · 1 year

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So, I used to be apart of the Maribat/ Mlb x DC crossover fandom years back. And now I'm in the DC x DP fandom.

And let me tell you, my experiences between the two crossover fandoms could not have been any more different. These fandoms are literally on the opposite ends of the spectrum of DC crossover fics.

Here are my observations:

DC x DP (Danny Phantom)

Very Sweet. There's not a lot of hate for any of the characters most of the time.

Less romance, more found family + growing friendships

A whole lot less flanderisation of certain characters' personalities (in a way that's not overwhelming)

MLB (Miraculous Ladybug) x DC

Salt. Salt EVERYWHERE. There's so much salt it's dehydrating to read especially if you're a fan of certain characters. If you're an Adrien or an Alya fan, proceed with some caution, some fics don't tag who they're bashing/salting on. You could be reading a fic that you assume has Adrien & Marinette being wholesome friends but then get slapped with Adrien being an ooc spineless jerk/pervert to Marinette.

More romance oriented. Not to say there isn't found family because there certainly is but maribat definitely leans more into romance.

In certain salt fics, the characters are seriously flanderised to the point they're not even recognisable anymore. Adrien is the main victim of this along with Alya. Like some of y'all did Alya DIRTY. Adrien still got the worst of it though. And on the DC side of things, Damian is a little too sweet.

They do have one thing for certain in common when it comes to fics and that is that the Justice League had no clue that these teen superheroes are literally carrying a world-sized burden on their shoulders with no to very little adult guidance in their lives and honestly: my fave trope EVER! Mlb x DC fandom, continue to beat up Green Lantern for ignoring LB's calls for help. That shit is delicious.

I got a lot of criticisms for Maribat fics, especially on AO3. Authors please, for the love of all things Fandom, TAG WHO YOU'RE BASHING.

I used to like Adrien/Alya bashing fics back then but I've given them a lot of thought, especially since I began thinking about Adrien/Alya's characterisation and personalities and how some of these fics really butcher the characters. Which then just made me fall out of love with Maribat. The Fandom is too salty for me. Its unhealthy to have that much salt content in your system guys.

Anyway, just some observations and some criticisms I wanted to talk about regarding these two very different yet quite similar DC crossover fandoms.

To the Danny Phantom guys, keep doing what you're doing, you guys are amazing <3

To the Miraculous Ladybug guys, TAG YOUR SHIT

- From your resident AdriDamiNette shipper and Ghost King Danny Phantom, adopted son of Jason Todd or Lex Luthor enthusiast

#mlb x dc #maribat #mlb x batman #dp x dc #miraculous ladybug #danny phantom #adribat #miraculous ladybug salt #mlb salt

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greentrickster · 7 months

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(Same setting as my previous ML: Paris Special thread, but breaking it into individual posts from now on because that was getting Huge.)

Given that we have secret identities and a very mixed bag of who knows whose within the current group, quick breakdown on that:

Gabriel: everyone knows he's Hesperia - Alya found out on her own, Nino found out via Alya, Adrien and Marinette found out by overhearing him detransform, and Chloe was told out of necessity

Alya and Nino: everyone knows them, as they don't have secret identities

Marinette and Adrien: only they know each others' civilian identities

Chloe: everyone knows because Gabriel brought her to the hideout immediately after the first battle she was in because she needed a place to safely detransform after all that.

Also, none of the kids are thrilled to have Chloe there - Nino, Alya, and Marinette all know her as the school bully and Adrien knows her as the Bourgeois Brat, no one is happy to see her when she first arrives. And for her part Chloe can sense that hostility and sure as heck isn't going to show an inch more weakness than she absolutely has to!

This intent lasts right up until Gabriel teaches her how to free Pollen, Pollen's first words are, "Thank-you, my Queen," and Chloe breaks down crying. Because she's had A Night, on top of having A Month, on top of having A Life, and she's fourteen and she just Can't anymore, okay? Everything's a mess and she's accidentally put herself in a world of fear and danger by trying to get her parents' approval, but also she has this little creature who seems to like her, for no reason that Chloe can figure out, and she just called Chloe her queen and Chloe can't right now, she really can't, what is she supposed to do in this situation, not hug Pollen (as best she can, given the size difference) and cry her eyes out?! That's not how life works.

Which is not to say that Chloe's fixed or knows how to be a good friend or person at this point, but she is open to changing and becoming better. And that's at least partially because, for the first time in her life, she's had someone else whose safety depended on her and whose approval she not only wants but seems to actually get. She's had a whole month of that, which is enough time to get some new routines and patterns started, and as starting places go, she could have way worse.

It's going to be interesting when Chloe eventually starts opening up more about her home life and it becomes easier to see how it's shaped her into the person she is. Because Marinette's own parents aren't physically abusive in this universe or even as bad as the Bourgeois-s, but they're far more strict and cold towards her than in canon. Both she and Chloe are actually very affection-starved and lonely, and acting out as a result, just in different ways due to their different circumstances. Chloe is loud and obnoxious and demands the attention that isn't being given to her, whereas Marinette has retreated into herself in a more quiet, sullen bubble of self-protection (because if she doesn't care, then it won't hurt that they don't care the way she needs them to).

However, Chloe's way more desperate for affection and approval in this setting even than she is in canon, because there at least her father gives a facade of caring when he's really just placating. All of which means that once she gets a source of freely-given (within reason) approval and affection from Pollen and Hesperia, she latches onto it hard and is willing to do a lot to keep ahold of it. Meanwhile Marinette is salty as heck in contrast to her sweet canon counterpart, and she is absolutely down to talk crap about people she dislikes, and Adrien's right there with her, meaning they both do find elements of Chloe's brattiness pretty entertaining when not aimed at them. Which is to say, they're going to get along surprisingly well once they've all had a chance to do some growing and get to know each other better. It's going to take all of Hesperia and Alya's powers of being the voice of reason and good influences to stop those three from going full mean girls on their enemies, just saying.

(Note: Nino gives the impression that he would be a good influence, but he is secretly a calm, quiet agent of chaos and isn't even a little bit above egging the three of them on if he thinks they're being funny or the person they're targeting deserves it. He's a very firmly good-aligned agent of chaos and an excellent friend, and he's good at knowing when the situation requires a serious approach, but still. Chaos.)

In contrast to canon. Chloe and Adrien don't have a history in this world beyond vaguely seeing each other at social events for 'important people,' but Chloe's parents do approve of her making a connection with Adrien Agreste.

Audrey: Oh yes, the Agrestes are a much more feasible level for you to reach for, definitely go spend time with them, Coraline. (Said fully in the mindset that Gabriel and Emilie were just barely important enough to be in on the miraculous secret before Emilie died, and that Gabriel's only dropped in importance since his wife's death.)

Also it gets her out of the hotel and out from under her parents' feet and makes her someone else's problem for awhile. This makes things very exciting for Adrien in regards to having to make sure his relationships with Chloe as himself and as Claw Noir don't overlap.

#Tales of Miraculous Hesperia #chloe bourgeois #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #ml paris spoilers #ml paris special #miraculous ladybug #nino lahiffe #alya cesaire

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flightfoot · 19 days

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The chimney comment made me think about a conversation i had with my sister, and me think about like:

Chat noir breaking a chimney

Fandom: he's misogynistic he hates two women working together without him, Racist cause alya is woc, it's toxic masculinity and he is violent and malicous just like his father

Chloe making racist comments to marinette and her uncle, putting cockroaches in her locker, willingly joining a terrorist,

Fandom : She is just misunderstood and is acting out to get approval of her mother, stop "victim blaming"

I agree that the salty fandom response to Chat breaking the chimney was dumb and paid no attention to what was actually going on in the story, but I'd rather not pit him against Chloe here. Chloe has plenty of faults, but I am still sympathetic to her, and like to look at the different reasons why she is the way she is and how she could become better.

#ask #ml fandom salt #I'll point out double standards but I don't like actually bashing Chloe

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beezonia · 4 months

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A little bit shy, but she’s got the guts.

A Marichat drabble for @asukiess loveybug week!

[My brain has been rotating the loveybug au around for a long time, so you get this!]

You’d think as herself she’d be less of a mess around Cat Walker.

But god forbid a girl actually flirt successfully, Marinette was still her usual floundering mess when it came to the stone faced hero.

It was painful as much as it was embarrassing and she’d rather burry herself under covers then be here right now.

At least as Lovey she could be more confident with her affection, and Marinette sure had guts, but it just wasn’t enough.

SO SOMEONE TELL HER WHY CAT WALKER WOULD NOT STOP BUMPING INTO HER LATELY?!

Well civilian her.

Like last time it was at the cafe, Marinette had just finished a small study session with Alya and no sooner then later he appeared to rant!

ABOUT LOVEYBUG HERSELF OH MY GOD!

And now, supposedly alone on her balcony her he was, waiting for the one and only Marinette Dupain-Cheng.

Not anyone else, just her.

“Hi Marinette.”

A pause.

“Hi kitty, what’s up?”

Another longer pause.

“Can we talk again, about anything I don’t care.”

Marinette nods, patting the empty spot on the lounge chair next to her.

Cat Walker jumps down from her railings, a short sigh leaving his lips. It must be hard being such a stone cold hero, it must be hard deflecting love.

Her own love.

“Do you have a favourite fruit?”

Oh way to go Marinette, what a stupid question! He’s laughing? Oh god he’s laughing.

“I don’t really know, I like kiwi or passion fruit but I wouldn’t say their my favourite.”

She smiles slightly.

“Here I thought you’d be a blackberry type of guy, or maybe even a lemon guy!”

They share a quick laugh, but he instantly snaps back into stoic mode. As usual he’s being guarded with her, wether it be Lovey or just normal Marinette.

He was always closed off, deflecting her love. For the greater good she supposed.

“Hey, you okay?”

It’s his question that snaps her back to reality. Her lips parted in embarrassment as they continue to stare at each other.

“Yeah, boy problems I guess.”

What the actual fuck Marinette?!

“Oh? A crush.”

Another pause.

“Yeah, the guy I likes a little dense and won’t really reciprocate my affection. But it doesn’t matter.”

Walker takes her hands, and Marinette knows she blushing because holy shit he’s made the first move, holy shit he’s actually initiating contact with her!

“Anyone would be lucky to have you.”

Oh my fucking god, had she just fallen even more in love with this guy because of one sentence?!

Absofuckinglutely!

———-

[Okay, you’ll notice I made lovey! Marinette slightly salty and a bit of a gremlin!

Maybe this is like a few weeks after they’ve established their relationship, and she’s sorta giving up trying to balance her flirty lovey alter ego and her usual hopeless case self.

And she’s just fed up, she can’t flirt with him as Marinette because then he’ll know she’s lovey and as lovey he doesn’t really reciprocate her feelings. And when he talks to her as Marinette he amplifies that so she’s stuck.

Yeah I have thoughts about this au and sorry it’s a bit angsty oh my god :( ]

#loveybug au week #loveybug au #marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #cat walker #marichat

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ladyofthenoodle · 1 year

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Okay you shouldn't have to but i would love to hear how Socqueline is to Alya what Zoé is to Chloé and Adrien 🫣 that intrigues me

you are so right but here it is. here is the earth. damn that is a sweet earth you might say. ROUND. but

the ml writers don’t think so. they are le tired. fire ze missiles! they are zoe and socqueline and it is season 5. the missiles are laser targeted to the gaps in the narrative that adrien, chloe, and alya could have filled. maybe all blondes with shitty parents are interchangeable. maybe marinette can just switch one savior for another. maybe the fans won’t notice that the characters they’ve been invested in since season one have their screen time and purpose split with a character who was just introduced. and if they do notice, those fans are just salty and not real fans so we can dismiss them. who cares that they’ve spent countless words and energy defending their faves for the first 3 seasons if they’re not willing to automatically love these new characters that we tell them to love without question.

admittedly. i am an alya stan and not a chloe stan. so i have my own biases! but zoe and socqueline and both late additions that we are told we are supposed to like, even as they take screen time and meaning away from the characters we’ve spent years invested in. they aren’t bad characters but they haven’t earned the loyalty the show wants us to give them. and they aren’t worth pushing the characters we are already invested in - for better or worse - to the back burner.

#i have a whole rant about zoe in adoration taking chat noirs role #i don’t recall if i posted that publically or if it was just a discord rant #but essentially #marinette confessing her love to adrien after zoe’s confession #undercuts all the glaciator eps with chat noir #why is zoe’s confession more meaningful that chat noir???#do the writers not realize how much that devalues the marichat relationship???#god does any of this make sense i’m drunk #miraculous ladybug #ask

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bee-a-garbage-shipper · 2 years

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Lukanette Deserves Better Part 3

Yes there’s more Lukanette, because canon makes me bitter in how Lukanette get’s shafted. Kinda Salty.

The Karma of Lies - Plus JuleRose. Mentioned Jean Duparc x Kagami Tsurugi. Canon Ships. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Principal Damocles Salt. Bustier Class Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Juleka Couffaine Sugar. Rose Lavillant Sugar. Plagg The Kwami Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Tales of Karmic Lies Aftermath - Plus JuleRose. Mentioned Jean Duparc x Kagami Tsurugi. Canon Ships. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Principal Damocles Salt. Bustier Class Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Juleka Couffaine Sugar. Rose Lavillant Sugar. Plagg The Kwami Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

What Goes Around Comes Around Saga (Series) - Plus JuleRose. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Principal Damocles Salt. Bustier Class Salt. Juleka Couffaine Sugar. Rose Lavillant Sugar. Sabrina Raincomprix Sugar. Bustier Class Sugar. In Character Behavior.

i get a little jealous, a little selfish - Plus Chlogami. Plus Plikki. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Principal Damocles Salt. Bustier Class Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Caline Bustier Sugar. Gabriel Agreste Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Summer Days Turned Nights - Plus Plikki. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Principal Damocles Salt. Bustier Class Salt. AdriChat Sugar. Adrien Agreste Sugar. Chat Noir Sugar. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

New Perspective - Plus NathMarc. Fluffy. Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Bustier Class Salt. AdriChat Sugar. Adrien Agreste Sugar. Chat Noir Sugar. Nathaniel Kurtzberg Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Poison and Antidotes (Series) - Angsty. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Bustier Class Salt. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

The Lies We Tell - Plus JuleRose. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Wang Fu Salt. Su Han Salt. Tikki The Kwami Salt. In Character Behavior.

Vide Stitch - Angsty. Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Caline Bustier Salt. Bustier Class Salt. AdriChat Sugar. Adrien Agreste Sugar. Chat Noir Sugar. Alya Céaire Sugar. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Caline Bustier Sugar. Bustier Class Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Princess Justice & Lady Sunspot - Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Bustier Class Salt. AdriChat Sugar. Adrien Agreste Sugar. Chat Noir Sugar. Alya Céaire Sugar. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Bustier Class Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Trou Noir - Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Alya Céaire Salt. Bustier Class Salt. AdriChat Sugar. Adrien Agreste Sugar. Chat Noir Sugar. Alya Céaire Sugar. Chloé Bourgeois Sugar. Bustier Class Sugar. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

Pouring Alcohol on an Old Flame - Tumblr - In Character Behavior.

A Murder of Crows [LBSC October 2021 Minific Challenge] - Tumblr One, Tumblr Two - In Character Behavior.

Gotta Love the Accent - Tumblr - Plus JuleRose. In Character Behavior.

I Can Fix You - Tumblr - In Character Behavior.

It's a Love Story - Tumblr - In Character Behavior.

In The Silence - Tumblr - Plus JuleRose. Plus GabeNath. Plus FeLuka. Plus Love Square. In Character Behavior.

Reduced to Silence - Tumblr - In Character Behavior.

On Thick Ice - Tumblr - Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Girl Gang Salt. AdriNette Salt. LAdrien Salt. MariChat Salt. LadyNoir Salt. Love Square Salt. In Character Behavior.

A Dog Off the Scent - Tumblr - Salt. AdriChat Salt. Adrien Agreste Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Félix Graham De Vanily Salt. LAdrien Salt. AdriNette Salt. MariChat Salt. LadyNoir Salt. Love Square Salt. In Character Behavior.

Breaking the Cycle - Tumblr - Salt. AdriChat Salt. Chat Noir Salt. Tom Dupain Salt. Sabine Cheng Salt. Girl Gang Salt. MariChat Salt. LadyNoir Salt. Love Square Salt. In Character Behavior.

High Priest - Idea, Ch.1, Ch.2, Ch.3, Ch.4, Ch.5, Ch.6, Ch.7, Ch.8 - Yandere Luka Couffaine. Villain Luka Couffaine. Akuma Luka Couffaine. Salt. Lila Rossi Salt. Bustier Class Salt. In Character Behavior. Minor Out Of Character Behavior.

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theerurishipper · 8 months

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Something I will never not be salty about is that Kwamis choice was Marinette's equivalent of Adrien's Kuro Neko, hitting their lowest points and "leaving bc they got rejected by their superhero partner"

which in Adrien's case wasn't even true, season 4 just had to suddenly pretend like it so Ladybug can get out of the conflict without learning anything and taking 0 accountability because that's the shows type of feminism, but Marinette in season 5 absolutely DID leave bc she couldn't have Chat Noir anymore. Oh how almost pathetically hypocritical.

Anyway, what I was getting to is that Kwamis choice part 1 is Marinette's Kuro Neko and MAN, that really shows off just how much Marinette is getting pampered senseless.

Loving parents who were worried about her, checked on her and baked her goods, Adrien and Alya checked on her, Miss Bustier had the homework being brought to her

And of course Adrien himself did everything in his power to be there for Marinette in the way NOT A SINGLE SOUL BESIDES PLAGG was there for him in "Kuro Neko"

I swear this show constantly pretends like no one had it ever worse than Marinette and she's oh so all alone and yet in comparison to Adrien/ Chat Noir she basically never is??

I WANT to be sympathetic towards Marinette's struggles and feeling of loneliness which has indeed gotten worse since the start of the show, but the show isn't LETTING ME because whatever Marinette thinks her loneliness and isolation are is simply nothing in comparison to the ACTUAL isolation and loneliness Adrien is being put through, in and outside the mask.

In comparing to Adrien in Kuro Neko, Marinette in Kwamis choice is simply being pampered senseless and it's so frustrating bc I hate that the show's writing has left me so unsympathetic towards Marinette in these cases. This IS normally a character story I highly sympathize with but the show is demanding of me to disregard the fact that Adrien/ Chat Noir has it worse and gets NON of the resources and support she has so, no?? I can't ? And that's the show's own fault.

Marinette is just as per usual crying harder and saying that no one will ever understand her pain when like.. gurl, Chat Noir is right tf THERE. Do u think he COULDN'T perfectly understand your struggle too? As if she doesn't know that unlike her HE ACTUALLY doesn't have anyone to confine in. Never had and continues to not get.

Gosh, I WISHED I could feel for Marinette in that episode and Elation too, but Jesus Christ is this hypocritical Towards Adrien/ Chat of season 4 in every possible way.

Like, I do get it. Trauma isn't a competition, and I understand the feeling of knowing that you have so much support around you, but still feeling like you're all alone. I understand that Marinette feels like she's living a lie and that she's all alone. I understand everything she's going through.

In fact, my problems with the way Marinette's struggles aren't because I think she's overplaying them or because I think they aren't valid. My gripe is that the show focuses on Marinette's struggles and Marinette's struggles alone. Like you said, at a certain point, it feels like the show is pushing the idea that Marinette is the epitome of human suffering and invented misery or something. Her struggles are valid, of course they are. But the show also doesn't seem to want to acknowledge Adrien's struggles in the same manner. And like you said, he doesn't even have a support system apart from Plagg the way Marinette does, and the narrative can't even be bothered to acknowledge that.

The show spends so much time on Marinette's struggles that it neglects to focus on Adrien's, or even other characters' in general. Adrien's struggles only matter when they relate to his relationship with Marinette or when they are beneficial to her in some way. Or else, it's just him being an inconvenience to her and he needs to stop being so sensitive and emotional, because that's not what emotional support partners are for. The show continually refuses to recognize how bad Adrien has it until it has something to do with Marinette. Adrien is being mind-controlled by his father and is living in an abusive home, and the abuse and mind-control are only treated as significant threats the moment they start threatening Adrienette.

Again, my problem with this isn't the fact that Marinette has struggles. My issue is that in order to deal with Marinette's struggles, Adrien's struggles are diminished and ignored by the narrative, and asking me to ignore that to focus solely on Marinette just ain't it for me. I wish I could feel sympathy for her, because her situation and her feelings are something I can greatly relate to. But I can't, not when the narrative is pushing her struggles forward at the expense of Adrien's. And Kwami's Choice even had Adrien be the one to bend over backwards to help and support her in ways she never does for him. All his struggles are made into the "Marinette is so sad because Gabriel is abusing her boyfriend" show, and I genuinely can't sympathize with her when this narrative is being shoved in my face.

I don't want Marinette to go "my struggles don't matter because Adrien has it worse!" I don't want the show to say Marinette's struggles are less worthy or less deserving of empathy than Adrien's. I just want Adrien to get some focus and get to deal with his problems outside of just being the perfect emotional support for her to lean on while he asks nothing of her. I want the show to stop pretending that Marinette is the end-all be-all of suffering. It really doesn't help me feel more sympathetic towards her.

Thank you for your ask!

#Meta #My meta #Asks #ML Salt #ML Writing Salt #ML Writers Salt #ML Fandom Salt #Marinette Salt #Ladybug Salt

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miraculouslbcnreactions · 3 months

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What are your opinions on more „popular“ salt takes about Adrien and Mari, like the typical „Adrichat is an ass for for flirting with LB after she rejects him“ and „Maribug us a horrible stalker“?

Well, I'd be lying if I said that I have no idea where they're coming from. There are definitely times when I'll watch an episode and wonder what in the world the writers are trying to do, especially when it comes to Adrien's behavior as it's played a lot more straight than Marinette's. While I don't like her behavior at times, it's almost always treated as a joke, not a dramatic character beat whereas I cannot say the same for Adrien.

But these are characters in a TV show, not real people and we need to keep that in mind when judging them. It's why my go-to thought is "what is wrong with the writing staff" and not "Adrien is an incel." Because Adrien is very clearly not supposed to be an incel. Unless the writers are plotting something truly asinine, the Love Square is our end game couple. We are supposed to view Adrien as a charming and funny romantic lead. When he falls short of that role, it's not Adrien "showing his true colors." He's a fictional character. He has no true colors. If his actions and words are ever unbecoming for a romantic lead, it's because the writers are failing to write Adrien the way they want us to see him.

They consistently do this to all of the characters. Alya's supposed to be an awesome friend and a smart journalist (I think), but she can't see through Lila's BS. Marinette's parents are supposed to be loving and supportive, but they randomly believed that their daughter stole from their bakery to make a dress and didn't even try to let her explain herself. Nino is supposed to be the Chosen of Protection, but he didn't care to protect his best friend and just happily sent Gabriel on a rampage without a second thought.

Give me a character and I can point to a bunch of episodes that justify every salty take this fandom has because they're not pulling this stuff from thin air. They're picking and choosing the worst writing in the show and venting about it, which is frankly understandable. Like I get why there are so many Alya salt fics. Her writing in the Lila episodes is infuriating and I do find those fics a little cathartic at times. But it's really, really obvious that she's not supposed to be a terrible friend. She's a victim of the writers drawing the Lila plot line out for far too long and making Lila's lies far too obvious.

Similarly, a lot of the issues with Adrien and Marinette stem from the fact that you simply can't draw a romance plot out for five seasons without causing issues unless you make the romance a background plot. But they didn't do that. The love square is front and center for most episodes, but since it can't actually resolve, the writers keep adding drama that makes our leads feel horribly unhealthy.

On the Marinette side, her not being able to talk to Adrien was fine as an initial issue, but we are five seasons into this show. Over 100 episodes! You reach a point where it stops being cute and starts being concerning. It's also not helped by the fact that Marinette's crush is written like a celebrity crush and not a crush on someone she actually knows. Daily exposure to Adrien should mellow her out. Especially since he's supposed to be her friend! But if the writers let Marinette talk to Adrien, then they'd grow closer and might feel like they had to get together, so they couldn't let that. Thus Marinette being a disaster for four seasons and the terrible shoehorned plot to try and justify it in season five.

On the Adrien side, they let Chat Noir confess too soon. Prior to that, the Ladynoir relationship was a playful one where it was feasible that Ladybug just viewed her kitty as a massive flirt. This was especially true since he flirts with everyone. But once she knew that he was serious? The playfulness vanished and Chat Noir started coming across as entitled and pushy. It didn't help that they had him ignoring her preferences ("Don't call me Bugaboo") and getting them in trouble by not taking his job seriously (his flirting getting them hit in Oblivio).

In summary, the love square should have been resolved much sooner or been relegated to a b plot that got far less attention. I also would have reversed the square since it makes for a far more interesting story that you can organically draw out longer, but that's just me. I don't have any issue with people ignoring the canon problems and just writing Adrien and Marinette as the cute couple that they were obviously intended to be. I also enjoy fics that treat Adrien's pushiness as a character flaw that can be resolved because that's what canon should have done. His issues aren't the mark of a terrible person. They're the understandable flaws of a teenager who is in love for the first time and doesn't know how to express himself. If a show would actually address this kind of common tween/teen issue, then a lot of kids would get an incredibly valuable lesson that would help them when they grow up and fall in love. If you're ever watching Miraculous with a kid, I strongly encourage you to approach Adrien's character from that perspective. Talk about why his actions are understandable, but ultimately wrong and more likely to push someone away than win their heart just like we see with Ladybug.

#ml writing salt #ml writing critical #ml fandom salt #ml fandom critical #adrien deserves better #marinette deserves better #alya deserves better #This is what I mean when I say that I'm a character sugar blog and a writing salt blog #The issue is not the character concepts or the general story ideas #The issues all come from the execution #It's also why I am happy when shows only get a few seasons #I truly think we would have gotten a better story if Miraculous only had three seasons to work with

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