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Saw a rather mean post last night, and genuinely, I do not understand how people can play Persona 5 (particularly Royal), and come out thinking Akechi genuinely hates Joker when Morgana outright states for the audience, "You don't really hate Joker, do you?" Akechi laments how they didn't meet a few years earlier and how they could've been "great rivals, perhaps even friends."
o_O Like... is this a vanilla thing? I genuinely don't get it. The interrogation room wasn't even his idea (SIU director mentions as much). It's not even about the ship- the game spells out that their bond is more complex, and it just so happens that a lot of people like to explore it as one. Even as platonic, tho, there's a shit ton of depth.
Idk, any time I see discourse (especially people making fun of Shuake fans and stuff), I just question how many people actually paid attention to the dialogue. Even the "I hate you speech" reads as him being extremely emotionally constipated and conflicted. Plus, y'know...
Very hateful. Sure. :p Idk, maybe certain playthroughs of the game remove all those moments where the game spells out that they have a special bond (Maruki even states it isn't based on hatred, but that's only if you get his third awakening).
Just wish people would get off their high horses, if anything. Sometimes I see people get really condescending about liking Akechi or liking Shuake, and like... just block the tags if you don't like these things instead of posting untagged ship/character bashing and making fun of fans? At least have the decency to tag it as something that Shuake fans can filter because some of those posts are really mean-spirited. :/ You think we haven't heard it all before? I may be new to the fandom, but I have heard that this BS has been going on for years.
I don't think it really matters if there are "healthier" ship options because some of us prefer the messiness, the depth, and complexity. It's not for everyone, and I respect favoring more straightforwardly sweet and wholesome dynamics or wishing your favorite pair got more spotlight. I'm a Riku and Kairi shipper in Kingdom Hearts, for crying out loud. :P I get it, but you're not gonna win anyone over to your side by telling them that [insert ship here] is better. In my case, it makes me more averse because of how deeply their relationship in the confidant, engine room, and third sem touched me and seeing people go "yeah, but you are wrong for feeling that way, THIS is better" is just... yeah. :/
(Also, people gotta learn the difference between hitmen and serial killers. Akechi is the former, which I've ranted about before, but yeah.)
So many fandom problems could be solved if people didn't take the piss out of others for shipping something they don't personally like. x_x; By all means, feel the way you feel, it's okay to not like things.
#goro akechi#persona 5#persona#persona 5 joker#joker p5#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#not naming names but the amount of times i see people shit on shuake fans while ignoring blatant dialogue in the game#i was just trying to look for cool akechi posts last night#every time people make fun of shuake fans i like the other joker ships less and less tbh#the ship and the character mean so much to me#discourse
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I usually don't comment on stuff like this, because I don't make a habit of pissing on people's parades, but some of the recent things people are using as "proof" (of bbg ending, of Larry communicating with us, etc) are really wild stretches.
And, I usually wouldn't let it bother me; I understand that people (especially newer larries) are just having fun. But, as someone who's been here for a long time and who was part of the fandom when "proof" really meant concrete, vetted, and consistent evidence, I think people are unaware of how creating, spreading, and encouraging these unsubstantiated stretches and theories only support the extremely damaging stereotype that larries are unhinged and that we can (and will) make a connection out of anything, if it suits our narrative. (Which is, literally, what hets and shippers do, so yeah, forgive me if I don't want to be lumped in with that crowd.)
When we talk about Larry signaling (through clothing, warnings, selfies, the bears, etc), I think it's really, really important to remember the context in which those things happened.
They were both banging on the glass closet and seemingly seeding a potential coming out. They were at the height of their 'enemies' narrative and banned from being seen interacting, even while they were living out of each other's pockets. They were restricted by extremely abusive public identities (homophobe and serial womanizer) and contract clauses. They were making music and money for oppressive management and labels, none of which was directly contributing to or even hinting at potential personal career growth outside One Direction. They were signaling not only because it's all they had in terms of connecting with their community, but as an act of extreme rebellion and as a means of winning over even an inch of personal freedom and self-expression. (Remember, Niall wasn't even allowed to keep his natural hair color.)
And, while yes, Harry and Louis are still heavily closeted and being made to participate in (especially in Louis' case) extremely vile and abusive stunts, the context, in terms of their need to be seen (whether it be as their own people, queer people, or as a couple), has actually changed. In terms of self-expression, they're both making music that resonates with their creative identities, that they have some level of control over, and that contribute to them, personally, as individual artists. This means they actually have a personal stake in whether or not their projects do well because its a direct indicator of whether they get to continue making music that they love. Taking that into consideration, its unlikely that they want to overshadow the soul of those projects by slipping in all these little clues about their relationship into their promo. They’ve also (thanks mostly to the fans) found other ways of connecting to the queer community (which is an entirely different objective from wanting people to know about their relationship, specifically.)
To be really honest, I think they’ve actually made a collective decision to work harder to protect the privacy of their relationship, even behind the scenes, for many reasons. (Harris Reed’s recent interview, where he mentioned not really knowing Harry all that well, but alluded to leaving space for his queerness is what swayed me the most.) Being older, and having a lot more at stake (personally and professionally), makes me think they’re now (maybe in the last four or so years) very, very selective about who they share this part of their life with, one, because they each have a lot more to lose now if they’re outed, but also because their relationship is their top priority, and as Harry has said (and no doubt learned), a relationship has never benefitted from being made public (and we have to remember that even “within the confines of the industry” is still very, very “public”).
But, I digress. My point is, they've been together for twelve years, they've written hundreds upon hundreds of love songs to each other, they have their love story tattooed all over their skin. I get if you, individually, need to read into every little clue to prove to yourself they're still together, but don’t confuse that with them needing us to know it.
Again, I'm not saying this to piss on anyone's parade. I love a Larry proof to death and god knows I believe in the real ones with my whole chest (Still the One still gives me chills, Princess Park is fucking perfection, ‘waiting to wrap your legs around me' and ‘tired eyes are the death of me’ are tattooed on my heart). What I'm saying is people need to take context into consideration to keep from devaluing and trivializing actual, solid, vetted Larry proof and signaling because the only people and reputations these stretches and theories are hurting are Larries’.
Anon, if I wasn’t already married, I would marry you. THANK YOU.
#fandom dynamics#for newbies#I was going to add some thoughts#but really you made such good points#I don’t even want to dilute it
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how certain are you about gojo not being dead or his revival? do you think gege might bring him back? some buddhist revival theories make sense to me but if the main problem is that gege just wanted him gone for the plot to progress then nothing is bringing him back. i also see that a majority of people are now praising the chapter when i'm still not happy about it so it might even give the impression that the chapter is well received....
i’m not certain at all because i can’t even tell what we’re working towards plot-wise 😭
before 237, i was 50/50 about it. it could either happen because his “death” just seemed so lackluster and lacking something (a lot of things) that there might be more to come, especially knowing how capable gege was at wonderfully handling death as a subject, but it could also not happen because gojo wasn’t even given the grace of an on-screen development from his unsealing to his death. (i talk about this more here.) after 237? if he’s only going to come back as a convenient plot-device, i’d rather he stay dead.
i honestly think gege killed him off to write him out of the story because nothing is indicating to me that there’s more to what we saw in 236. not even a mention, not even a scribble of his body in the battlefield in 237. (but i don’t know. prove me wrong, gege.) 236 would’ve worked if the gojo vs. sukuna battle was a short story separate from the overarching storyline, separate from jjk in general, and instead of gojo and sukuna, they were both new characters that we got a brief rundown of prior to the battle. but like everything is, the story should be bigger than them both and the battle. 236 and the battle should fit in with everything else, even the very edges of where we started.
there’s this habit in fandoms (but especially in the jjk fandom) of retroactively justifying (and subsequently, plainly accepting) chapters/plot points that weren’t initially well-received. it’s crazy because when 236 came out, the only people praising the chapter were sukuna stans and people who heavily favor the technical side of jjk more than the narrative (and some shippers who’ve lost the actual plot long before, but what’s new).
a week later, there are all these discussions saying, “well, maybe we just didn’t get gojo’s character,” or, “well, actually it’s in-character of him.” it shouldn’t have to take a week for part of the fandom to reluctantly accept what was written. hindsight nuance is supposed to add another level of understanding, not change the whole perspective. this isn’t a case of an author withholding information to keep readers on their toes, this is a case of an author not being consistent in characterization (among other things).
we keep trying to piece mismatched puzzle pieces for it to make sense, but we’re in the long run now! the bigger picture (including gojo’s character) should be clearer than before! why are we left more confused now than before, and so close to the end of the story, too? if the majority of the fandom is confused (all of us, honestly, don’t lie), the problem isn’t us not understanding—the problem is the goddamn writing.
“let them cook!” yeah, but if you leave the fire on too long, the food burns. then the kitchen catches fire. then the house is in shambles. it’s okay to admit that the story we once knew is no longer the same. it sucks, but it really is okay to dislike a chapter and be disappointed with an author. and it’s okay to take your time grieving what you once knew (hell, it’s why i’m talking more on this app these days). and it’s okay to keep reading and following along because you still have hope.
the way i talk about this, you’d think the whole fandom is in a relationship with gege and gege just keeps negging us 😭 some people have faith, despite the downhill track record, some people are pissed and feeling cheated, and some don’t even know what to think. coping is different :’)
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clarifying something in regards to my trigun meta, because i’m realizing finally why people get so tetchy with me about it.
tl;dr: can i please talk about canon events of consent violation as an entirely separate conversation from the fandom concept of a ship? i’m talking about what is, not what if.
cw: trigun spoilers, rape, incest. you know the drill.
also, because i made this mistake once before: if you use or interpret this post as some kind of tirade against kv shippers, or get morally righteous about icky fetishists in my notes: fuck off, you do not speak for me, i hate you, and this is exactly why we need to be able to separate analysis and shipping.
moving on.
okay but. people do understand. that rape is not necessarily about attraction or even about sex, right?
when i talk about the scenes i describe as sexual assault in trigun, i’m not saying that it means knives/vash is canon. i’m saying that there’s a deliberate construction to the narrative that makes knives’ violation of his siblings’ consent a driving force of the plot and what eventually screws him over.
i know this is a “yelling in the library and expecting not to be shushed” situation. you can’t take a piss in fandom without someone asking if you have a fetish.
but i really think we can stand to at least not keep putting square pegs in round holes, here.
yes, i know, you tag non-con with a slash too. but i’m not talking about shipping when i talk about knives violating the consent of vash and his sisters. those are two different modes of engaging with consent violation and relationships that involve it.
attraction and desire can be motives behind assault. but it’s not the only or even the most driving motivation. assault — violation of consent — is about power. having and exercising power over another. regardless of that’s to satisfy a personal desire or to force them to comply or just to hurt them.
(this is the same reason that using “pedophilia” as the catch-all it’s currently used as is rather than its actual definition is Fucking Stupid, but i digress)
when i discuss the metaphysical acts i refer to as analogous to rape, i am not saying that knives’ actions and his treatment of vash are driven by attraction (exclusively — that’s a conversation for another post) or that he fuses with his sisters to have an incestuous genocide orgy.
i’m saying that it’s extremely telling how knives treats his siblings, the acts of domination over them and the violation of their consent, their bodily autonomy, and their willpower, when his stated goal is to prevent humans from doing the same.
knives believes in power. that’s the only thing he believes in. and fundamentally, that’s why his attempts to “help” the dependent plants results in far more harm than good, and ultimately in failure.
he doesn’t understand freedom. he understands power. so for plants to be safe, in his eyes, there can be no humans that could hold power over them — the only one with the right to overpower them is him.
in vash’s case, the line blurs — vash is almost a whole, real person to him. he wants his cooperation, wants his company, he does desire him, in one way or another. but if vash won’t listen to him, won’t comply, won’t cede, won’t indulge in power for power’s sake [july incident, trimax] there’s no choice but to overpower him. consume him.
and the other reason i describe these events as assault, as rape — they are not just violations, not just acts of control. they have consequences. knives takes power from his siblings. keeps it, hoards it, so they have no way to challenge him. he literally consumes [trimax] and warps [stampede] his sisters’ bodies and destroys their homes. they cannot go back what they were before he raped them. and neither can vash — knives’ actions, nearly all of them, are designed to isolate vash. to make him terrified of his own body. to keep him from reaching out to humans. to give him nowhere to run but back to knives, knives who will stop hurting him, stop him from being hurt, if he’d just listen.
does knives love his siblings? yes. but when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. and when all you have are knives… well.
shipping is a what if. this is just what is.
#trigun meta#trigun#probably a bit late for this but it’s worth saying regardless#reblogs and replies on for the moment but i will turn them off if people can’t behave#tw rape#tw incest#tw abuse
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I’ve been listening to the Thrawn 2017 audiobook with my husband on our way to and from work. We just finished the Dromedar incident and got to the part where Captain Rossi gets all pissed off at Thrawn for saving the Dromedar’s crew instead of the Tibana gas. She suspends him, but then Thrawn razzle-dazzles her with some reverse psychology, getting her to kick Eli off the Blood Crow along with him. For those that don’t remember, the convo goes something like this:
Rossi: “One word out of you, Ensign, and your ass is staying behind on Ansion too.”
Eli: *seethes silently*
Thrawn: “i’M sUrE EnSigN VanTo WiLL bE Of gReAt VaLuE tO yOu On tHe ReMAiNDeR oF yOuR PaTroL.”
Rossi: “On SECOND thought, I can hardly deprive my extra special lieutenant of his aide. Congrats on the extended shore leave, Vanto. Peace, bitches.”
Eli: *surprised pikachu face*
At this point, shaking his head in disbelief, Ricky paused the audiobook. This was the conversation that followed:
Me: “What’s wrong?”
Ricky, exasperated: “Why is Thrawn OBSESSED with Eli?”
My brain, who’s an unapologetic Thranto shipper: «Where do I even BEGIN? Let me launch into a detailed monologue on how Thrawn and Eli are actually soulmates, only at this point in the story, Eli doesn’t know it yet.»
But in reality, I don’t want to sway his opinion, and I’m really curious about his unadulterated take on the Thrawn trilogy, so all I said was this:
Me: “Why do you think Thrawn is obsessed with him?”
Ricky: “I dunno, because he keeps manipulating his life? First he asked Palpatine to put Eli with him. Then he pulled that shit to get Eli assigned to the Blood Crow instead of the job he wanted. Now he’s getting Eli kicked off the Blood Crow too. Wherever Thrawn goes, he’s making sure Eli comes with him. Seems pretty obsessive to me.”
Me: “Hmm…”
Ricky, thoughfully: “…Is Thrawn in love with Eli or something?”
My brain: «Yes. Definitely.»
Ricky, not waiting for an answer: “Well, my man Eli better watch his back. Thrawn seems like the kind of dude who’s got people chained up in his basement.”
My brain: «Yep. I’ve definitely read that fic before.»
Me: “Lucky for Eli they don’t have basements in space.”
Ricky: “Are they still roommates? He might not actually need a basement…”
My brain: «And they were ROOMMATES!»
So I really enjoyed my husband’s take for several reasons. Firstly, he picked up right away on the fact that Thrawn’s early relationship with Eli was super manipulative. When I first read the book, I think I was wearing Thranto-colored glasses. I only saw the things I wanted to see. Like how Thrawn saw potential in Eli and wanted to cultivate it. Or maybe it was the bonding experience of Thrawn and Eli both being outcasts together, “the Wild Space yokel and the Unknown Regions alien”; they could succeed when all those core-worlders wanted to see them fail. But in reality, even if he did indeed see potential in Eli, Thrawn screwing around with his whole life and career was hella manipulative. Of course I know now that Thrawn wanted to keep him close because there was concern of Eli being a spy or even a Grysk plant. Even though he did indeed come to appreciate Eli’s unique talents over time, that’s not why he kept him close at first. But I was impressed that Ricky immediately called Thrawn’s behavior out as “obsessive,” because…well, it does come off that way.
Secondly, the Thranto shipper in me found it really interesting that Ricky asked me, “Is Thrawn in love with Eli or something?” Even though the love in question is of the manipulative and obsessive variety, I found it interesting that that word crossed his mind. It goes to show that even people who aren’t looking for it, and who aren’t reading between the lines, can pick up on some sort of Thranto vibe while reading (or in our case, listening to) this book. I really can’t wait to hear what he thinks once Eli’s loyalty to Thrawn begins to grow.
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What's fascinating about the lack of empathy from a certain set of shippers that you and ultilitycaster have been discussing is that it doesn't just extend to refusing to empathize with characters outside the ship, even characters like Percy who we've had a whole campaign's worth of insight into, but they also refuse to empathize with characters IN the ship if the way they're behaving doesn't fit with the idea they've built up about what the relationship should be. Case and point the gharlrock fight you mentioned in your tags. People were so upset with Imogen because she dared to react to the situation in a way that put her in conflict with Laudna, even though her reaction was totally justifiable from her perspective
Yep. The tone of the discourse at that time was that if it conflicts with "pastel girlfriend and goth girlfriend statically hold hands in a cottage all day", it's bad. And like...y'all, it's a story. Stories have conflicts. Like, isn't that what you want for your ship? P*rc'ahlia wouldn't be half as iconic as it is without the characters' flaws causing problems for each other; I want my stories to be as good as they can be!
At this point I don't ship anybody in Bell's Hells, but with the way Laura and Marisha have played romances in the past, I think that if they do go for endgame Im*dna, they'll do it in a way that'll probably piss off a significant portion of the Cute Girlfriends fandom and will thus actually be interesting. Because relationships need a conflict of some sort to be believable in fiction—even Percy and Vex briefly broke up!—and I think Marisha and Laura both get that it's going to take more than "Imogen and Laudna were super codependent and had a bunch of the same conversations over and over and then they kissed :)" to be a fulfilling narrative for either of them. If they go for it, they'll do it in a way that will be worthwhile and actually has some conflict...which means much of the obnoxious fandom will be outraged by it, but it'll be a much better story in the long run than the current Absolute State of the fanon at the moment.
Like! Let's deal with them being codependent! Let's deal with Laudna not doing anything about Delilah in her head for thirty years and not really bothering for 37 episodes! Let's deal with Imogen considering siding with the people who killed Laudna, and doing so for personal reasons rather than any kind of philosophical ideas! There's genuinely interesting, meaty stuff there, but you have to actually dig into it in order for this relationship to be a worthwhile narrative.
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Im getting rather annoyed
No. Everyone has the right yo ship what they want. Whatever brings you joy. This is but my opinon thats it. No judgement no shame. Im venting.
Now im a bit of a multishipper. Like to see some diversity in art you know? But never have i met such people that are so angry or vicious as tipo shippers. Kung fu panda po x tigress
Where do i start with this? Never in the course of the films have at any point do they show or hint that their crushing on each other. No romantic coded scenes. Nothing. So thats unfortunate why i don't see what all you lovley people see because i dont.
Tigress tai lung and po are conected in the parent upbringing sibling cycle. But hey ship whatever you want.
Now this is where people start to hate on me but let me clarify no hate nor disrespect to anyone. Im sick of looking at kung fu panda art and what? 97% of it is tigress? How abertary. Dull. What about the others? Do they not deserve as much attention? Clearly not.
As for the ship people get my goat "make it canon" blah blah. In the art of story telling to have it rondomly their into each other after like nothing? Makes for bad writing.
I do enjoy anything kung fu panda related but the ship for me anyway just doesn't fly. Those whom are super into the franchise are like yes they are but those who have seen all three films and enjoy them are like what? No.
Again if your going to ship them why on earth is tigress oc? Like shes all happy and silly? No.
Still here? Angry yet? Fuming because my trained animation degree with honors head doesnt comprehend what apparently im missing? Well thats ok.
Now i know alot of people who are actually nice but ive met vicious fans directing their hate towards me. Death threats. Vulgar language. The works. Made me just not want to draw anything kung fu panda related due to it.
Now recently due to the encouragement of others i did draw ship art. Dragon knight? Yes. Why? Because its actually hinted at in such a badly written way. I wont get into it. Thats a rant another time.
Now as something that i personally dont like and that goes across any anthro media is interspecies relations. Not a fan. However their ate acceptions to the rule and that has alot to do with the universe in which the fandom is set. BNA for example. The grimior of zero explains this perfectly, interspecies actually doesnt matter due to the world building. But in cases like zootopia or kung fu panda (films only) interspecies relationships arnt explored nor shown.
As for tipo po loves kung fu thats it. The only time he has ever shown any interest in a girl is meimei. Drops his baobao bun. Pupils dilate. yes theirs a but the illusion broke when she spoke soooo that doesn't really count.
Still here? Well good for you. still pissed at me for not conforming to liking what everyone else does? Well that too is ok.
If you ship tipo thats cool. Heck ive seen art. Some of its nice. Art is art and a ship diesnt define a person. But stop with the viciousness po will probably never end up with tigress. But thats a good thing. He doesnt end up with anyone. That way everyone wins. But the viciousness and anger and the make it canon because insert reaons here is so stupid.
Stuck around? Read my vent? Great. Please refrain from commenting anything vulgar towards my person and remember. Opinon.
Ship whatever you like. Awesome. Great.
Now piss off. Im tired.
(Brit humour)
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MiracOlympus- Formal Introduction
Howdy, ya'll! Here's the formal introduction to the characters from my new AU! The background is pretty simple, the Miraculous characters are the Gods from Ancient Greece! Enjoy! @imsparky2002 @artzychic27
Adrien:
(Zeus)
God of the sky, king of Olympus
A much fairer and more compassionate ruler than Zeus
Still a sunshine boi
Doesn't sleep with a bunch of women, actually loyal to his queen
Team Dad
Kim:
(Poseidon)
God of the seas
Crazy-ass Middle Child
Constantly losing his trident
Protective of the ocean and its creatures
Likes challenging the other gods for fun
Nathaniel:
(Hades)
God of the dead, lord of the Underworld
Oldest child, protective of his two younger brothers
Chose the Underworld because he likes peace and quiet
Not the bad guy mortals make him out to be
Very respectful of Marc, i.e. never kidnapped him
Marinette:
(Hera)
Queen of the Gods, goddess of marriage and family
ROCKS that peacock aesthetic
Acts more like a team mom than a queen
Doesn't try to murder any other girl who's interested in Adrien
Likes to ship people with Rose
Mylene:
(Demeter)
Goddess of the Harvest
Loving and nurturing, makes sure mortals are taken care of
Protective of Marc, her younger brother
VERY passionate about the environment
Mediates conflicts on Olympus
Sabrina:
(Hestia)
Goddess of the home and hearth
Gentlest and humblest of the Gods
Gave up her throne for Nino, since she never really wanted it
Has a hard time saying no
Amazing cook
Kagami:
(Ares)
Goddess of war
Believes in honor and fighting for a worthy cause
Has never lost a battle
Rides a kickass motorcycle
Always armed, just in case
Rose:
(Aphrodite)
Goddess of love and beauty
Supportive of all sexual identities, ACE PEOPLE ARE VALID
World's biggest shipper
Very humble about her looks
Adores Juleka beyond all sense of reason
Juleka:
(Artemis)
Goddess of the hunt and the forest
Shy, prefers to spend time with animals
Always has her bow and a quiver of arrows
Gets pissed if you insult her mom or Rose
VERY against abusive relationships
Luka:
(Apollo)
God of music and prophecy
HE CAN SEE THE FU-TURE
Never seen without his lyre
Most beautiful voice in the history of all time
Juleka's wingman
Ivan:
(Hephaestus)
God of fire and blacksmithing
In his forge 70% of the time, Mylene drags him out to take a break and get some sun
Buffest of the gods, but super humble about it
Olympus' repair man
Still a soft, gentle boi
Alix:
(Hermes)
Goddess of travelers, thieves and messengers
Carries messages between all the realms
Has a winged pair of rollerblades
The ultimate prankster
Fastest of all the gods
Max:
(Athena)
God of Wisdom & Innovation
Always accompanied by his owl, Markov
Gets exasperated with the foolish choices of his peers
Actually still good friends with Kim
Always working on something new
Nino:
(Dionysus)
God of Wine & Festivity
Ironically, drinks in moderation
Has so much energy
Plans all parties on Olympus
Shares a passion for theater with Jean
Alya:
(Themis)
Goddess of truth and justice
Oversees all trials conducted on Olympus
WILL call you out if you're acting unfairly
Only Nino can get her to cut loose a little
DESPISES Lila
Chloe:
(Helios)
Goddess of the sun
Has an ego the size of, well, the sun
Nothing can shine as bright as her
Knows EVERYONE'S business, because the sun sees all
Has a soft spot for her sister, the moon goddess
Ondine:
(Amphitrite)
Goddess of sea creatures, queen of the oceans
Rules over the sea with Kim, makes sure he doesn't do anything too reckless
Has tea meet-ups with fellow Goddess Queen, Marinette
Unceasingly bubbly and optimistic
Lila:
(Eris)
Goddess of strife and discord
Thrives on conflict between the other gods
Lies to get her way constantly
Starting wars is a hobby
The others only put up with her because they have to
Keep an eye out for more of this AU! Leave thoughts in the comments and reblogs!
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Hey! Could I request a continuation of the shitty cops fic where one/both of them come out to the other? I really like their dynamic + how you write them :)
I mean, if you must... /j
Okay okay I kid. I still hate Sam Sweetly, but the shitty cops shippers have found me, so... Here's to living peacefully?
"Nah, y'know, I don't think you'd have been the only one to ralph after seeing that shit."
Sam smirked like his cocky edge had never been lost. "What's the matter, Oliver? Scared of a little blood?"
Bailey rolled his eyes. In confrontation with Sam, he found it best to rely on his instinct to keep him going. Sam didn't have the necessary number of braincells to actually think about a response, so often it was just best if he didn't think either. "I'm not the one of us who got a weak stomach over some kid." He said, matter-of-factly.
Sam lost his cool then. He'd had enough of this shit from Farris before he left the scene, which was the main reason why he hadn't told Bailey. Because Bailey was an absolute bastard for this kind of senseless drama, and he knew he'd turn it into some kind of huge deal.
So, he turned on him, grabbing both lapels of his leather jacket and digging his fingers in deep. In a couple of lengthy strides, he had him pinned against the wall, inches away from that stupid face of his. "Listen to me good, fucker. You don't get to say shit about me, cos I know you're nothing better. Think you're all high and mighty, but you're nothing more than a shit scared little pansy."
Bailey smirked as he felt his back collide with the wall, gazing intently into Sam's icy cold eyes. "You don't have shit on me, you greasy fucking rat."
"Wanna bet?"
"Go on, then. What've you got?"
"You didn't do that case last year in that old fuckin' house, cos you can't stand the thought of ghosts. Fucking ghosts! They're not even real!" He scoffed, pushing harder and really selling the point of driving him into the wall.
Bailey's head ended up inches away from slamming into the wall, and for a moment, his smirk faltered, but he managed to regain his edge. He had him with that one, though how he'd found out was another matter entirely. "Doug didn't go either. What, you gonna accuse them of some bullshit claim like being scared of ghosts too?"
"How the hell d'you know they didn't go, huh?"
"Cos I was here all day, wise guy. So were they."
Sam heard footsteps behind him. Bailey watched Shapiro walk down the corridor and stop just behind Sam. He had the gall to nod at her, forcing Sam to scowl.
"Sweetly, Bailey... If you're gonna fuck each other on work hours, at least keep it private, huh?"
Immediately, Sam flushed a violent shade of crimson red. Bailey laughed so hard he snorted, and managed to shift when Sam's guard dropped enough that he loosened his grip.
"The hell you mean, fuckin'?!" Sam growled, turning his gaze. "Him?" He nodded over his shoulder to an amused looking Bailey, but didn't seem to catch his expression. "I've got standards. This ain't it."
"That's a bar you'd have to jump over just to meet," Bailey retorted, one eyebrow raised. "And even then, you wouldn't come close."
"Shut the fuck up you cocky bastard." Despite the way his tone hadn't changed, there was a part of Sam that was rather glad for his pissed off front right now, because he was quite surprised to have been proven wrong in his assumptions.
Bailey was very much the kind of man who would loudly protest he wasn't into men if that was the case. The fact that his comment was only followed by another- albeit laced in more smugness- sparked a certain curiosity. He looked right into Bailey's eyes and watched the fluorescent lights dance in their depths.
Oh no. Not today. He hadn't had a proper kick at romance since he was seventeen. It was a kid's game. He was not going to start again today.
Besides, Bailey's eyes couldn't even decide whether they wanted to be green or brown. It was stupid. Probably for the best that he wore those shades so often...
"Make me." Bailey muttered in a way that almost made him blush harder. He knew what was going on here, he could see it in the way Sam's cocky demeanour broke.
Sam let go, but not before one last shove, about as hard as he could manage. Then he stormed off, leaving Bailey trying to get his breath back, and Shapiro still standing in the corridor, watching him go.
"He's a... Fucking mess," he heaved. The laugh that followed sounded pathetically weak, but he supposed he did tell Sam to make him shut up, and he didn't seem the type to man up and kiss the breath out of him. He stood up and straightened himself out. "God, you could... Smell the whiskey on that fucker."
Shapiro raised an eyebrow. "Are you into that, Oliver?"
Bailey stopped dead in his tracks, and shot back a glance that looked twice as offended as he felt. Maybe he could find himself into it, but god forbid, he wasn't going to admit that, especially not to Shapiro of all people. "I have standards too, y'know..."
"Sure you do, Bailey. Sure you do..."
"Hey! you don't seriously think I'd go after that bastard, do ya? He should be the one comin' after me." His shoulder blades felt tense after being slammed so fervently against the wall, but for some reason, he couldn't say he hated the feeling.
It only took him a few minutes to get his breath back, but his shoulders ached for a good hour afterwards. Long after he walked away, long after he tried to make a plan to avoud Sam as much as physically possible... It wasn't going to be easy in such a small space, but god was he going to try.
Because if there was one thing he knew about Sam Sweetly, it was that, if there was a bar for standards, he would work his cocky ass off to vault that bar.
And there was a damn good chance that he'd clear it too...
That was not something he was going to think about. That was something he couldn't afford to think about.
#starkid#officer bailey#sam sweetly#void offering#star mail#nova's tags →#a sequel? to the fic where sam puked in a high school?? more likely than you think apparently#i dont even know what to say!#the shitty cops shippers have found me!!!#which means i have to write about sam!!!#and once again i find myself obliging#because my friends on tumblr dot com asked for it
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searching walty on xitter was a fucking mistake oh my god ??
my dash warned me and i still did it so i only really have myself to blame but i get CURIOUS okay ?
anyways.. why on earth are people so triggered by this ship ? what abt it pisses people off sm i'm confused. like did some shippers do something to warrant this ? or do they just hate our guts for no reason ?? it's a harmless ship and even uno (walter's actor) seemed to be very aware of the ship and even open to it. WHERE DID THE HATE COME FROM ???
this is why i prefer tumblr (which is a wild thing to say)
gonna go off on a side rant but anyway:
at least people here who don't ship it are civil abt it. i read the whole toxic hetero parallel post which obviously does not see them as a (potential)couple, but at no point does the blog attack shippers.
i, in case it wasn't obvious, wholeheartedly disagree with said post. but it's an interesting take. it's a great fucking analysis regardless of if i agree with the conclusion. and you don't see me (or anyone else that i'm aware of) attacking the blog.
it just makes me so sad how toxic fandom can get- especially on xitter.
don't like ? that's fair. don't interact with it !!!
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Steddie (stranger things) omo shipping meme
This is a kink thing, folks, discussion ppl desperate to pee.
dldr
I love running through this series of questions when I’m all fired up on a “new” ship. I’m a multi shipper here as well, but I’ll start with these two yahoos, Steve and Eddie (some qs I approach as if Steddie are a couple in the future and living together, and some I stick more closely to canon for)
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Who gets desperate because they didn’t want to get up from a video game/work/other activity
This is definitely more likely to be an Eddie move– hyperfocus can be a bitch, man. I can see him reading or especially working on a campaign or music and just putting it off or even not noticing until someone else, maybe Steve, sitting across the room, like, notices the quality of the bounce has changed and totally clocks it as Eddie-has-to-pee instead of the normal Eddie-finding-the-right-stimulation-threshold. Maybe Steve would pop over with a drink, or maybe he made himself a sandwich and did one for Eddie as well, so he intentionally interrupt Eddie’s focus which, like, normally he wouldn’t… but in a case like this he’d do it intentionally, “Hey babe, I made some for me, you want some too?” and Eddie jolts out of it, comes back to the world, accepts whatever Steve was giving him, and then Oh-So-Casually scoots rapidly towards the bathroom.
Can also see, like, Eddie hyperfocusing on a day when he’s home and Steve’s at work, only for Steve to come home and interrupt and Eddie to realize he’s Absolutely Desperate.
In neither case do I see him actually really wetting himself, not unless they play these games.
Now Steve… I can definitely see Steve specifically having had close calls or incidents related to sports? Like, many an athlete has many a time pissed themselves, or peed right off the field etc because they are SO well hydrated and sometimes it just is like that.
But then again, that’s “can’t” stop the activity more than it is “don’t want to”
Who insists they can hold it even when they can’t
Either. I can see Eddie more often being the one, like, not in tune with what his body is up to and getting into a tight spot and then doubling-down bluffing about it… but i can see either one of them getting, like, competitive about it, not willing to be the one who admits he’s gotta pee first… or imbibing substances that mess with his control… i especially can see Drunk!Former-Frat-type Steve forgetting that he broke the seal and not remembering he’s not gonna be able to hold it, etc, but trying to bluff his way through anyway
By the same token, can see high!eddie having nooooooo idea how bad hes gotta pee, really.
Who pees in a bottle because they didn’t want to leave their warm bed at night
Oh absolutely either one.
Steve maybe doesn’t do it as much, was less in the habit when he lived in his parent’s pristine house, or when the likelihood of having a girl over was high, wouldn’t want to miss something like that and have a potential partner find it…
And def after they are together, if one catches the other at it, he’s gonna give him good-natured shit about it, but yeah. No big deal.
Who doesn’t pay attention to their fluid intake
Steve, maybe, if he’s drinking alcohol (otherwise, he’s more likely to just Always Be well hydrated, less “not paying attention” and more “always shooting for hydrated, even if that means peeing a lot more”)… but Eddie probs more normally, vacillating wildly between over and under hydrated.
Who has the larger bladder
I can see arguments for either, steve has to pee a lot, but that’s cuz he’s usually well hydrated. Can see that either resulting in him Not holding as much, cuz always peeing, or holding plenty, just, there’s always plenty to hold…
And I can see Eddie with a monster bladder cuz he’s always putting it off, and therefore always holding… or the opposite, especially if he’s bad about, like, drinking water, and it usually drinking, like, coffee or other things that are stimulants/diuretics/bladder irritants.
Who is more likely to have a shy bladder
I think it could be fun to write either one that way… but of the two, probs more likely Eddie. He’s a more baseline-anxious type to begin with… and I think athletics to the degree Steve has participated are very likely to cure anyone of that– when you gotta, then you gotta, and you gotta take every opportunity, even when you’re packed in with a bunch of other athletes and there’s maybe not much privacy
Who will only use an appropriate facility
I don’t think either would care, really. Steve has definitely pissed in some “convenient” places during/after games, or in folks’ backyards during parties, but also i bet Eddie has pissed in the woods in particular many a time.
If we gave either one a shy bladder, that could be a component, but i don’t think it much is if we’re trying to be canon compliant.
More likely to have a holding kink
I want to say eddie, who i think is more likely to be kinkier in general/aware of his kinks.
But steve, between the athletics, the drinking at parties, the general competitiveness, and the fact that he definitely definitely has had a great deal MORE sex than eddie– it’s entirely possible, that if he had one he would also have figured it out.
Who challenges the other to a holding contest
Either. They’re competitive. Actually, maybe it’s a comment/dare/etx from Robin or one of the kids.
How would each react to having and accident
Lol depends on how sober they are and or if there are extenuating Upside down shenanigans.
I can see eddie being embarrassed/humiliated maybe? If it was, like, sober in company or while he was trying to be cool or smth. Like maybe if it was Steve catching him coming out of a hyperfocus sesh and he doesn’t make it, maybe then he’d be embarrassed, especially if they were dating and hadn’t been that long.
But if he’s in an altered state and/or really after all the shit they’ve been through, idk that he would care that much.
Similar for steve, like, if it were to happen somehow like on a date or smth, some situ where he was trying to be Cool Steve, maybe he’d b embarrassed about it. Maybe if it happened during sex, where he prides himself on always giving a Good Time… maybe then he’d be bothered… but otherwise, nah. Again, intense athletics + altered states + the upside freaking down, who gives a shit.
How would each react to the other being desperate/having an accident
I mean, with horniness in anything I write. But otherwise…
So if Eddie’s in the pickle, genuine stressed about whether he’s gonna make it/or in the aftermath, Steve’s gonna be good about it (in the later seasons, might have been a real Ass earlier). He’s gonna do his best to get Eddie wherever he’s got to go, or find him a bottle, or encourage him to piss on a tree or whatever, the fuck does anyone care about it. Clothes wash.
He might tease some, definitely if this is pre-established kinky game stuff for them, but he’s gonna do his best to make Eddie not feel bad/keep other folks from knowing, etc.
In the reverse situ, Eddie would definitely come out of the gate making fun, but he’d shift Very quickly into being genuinely helpful/trying to make Steve laugh about it (even if laughing isn’t exactly ideal, lol)
Who is more likely to wet because of anxiety/fear
Probs eddie. If steve was prone to that, it would have come up almost certainly when Robin mentioned it in the bathroom at Starcourt.
Plus eddie just reads as a nervier dude in general. Dunno how likely, but he’d def be more likely
Who is more likely to wet deliberately
Either if part of some kinky game, steve if during a fight or smth when he knows there’s no point devoting any more brainspace to it (like sometimes in athletics), Steve maybe also more generally (probs again in context of drinking etc) more when they are living at home, partly because he’s not gonna worry so much about ruining his clothes/shoes? Like, not that eddie wears real fancy stuff, but sometimes maybe he does, and especially steve has an empty house with built-in washer dryer and eddie Shares a small space with his uncle and likely does laundry elsewhere.
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Salutations.
First off; I would like to thank you for humoring my questions, by far. Having been in the fandom (Death Note) for quite a while can be daunting at times considering how persistent everyone is on certain views that, more often than not, contradicts the canon itself, though I do not mind the originality. Some of the questions you might remember answering from me would be;
1. How unfair it is for everyone in this fandom to go full autobiography mode on Light Yagami but wrote a piss poor characterisation of other characters.
2. L would not enjoy fighting for Justice under Light's idea
There might be more, but these two are the ones that I remember writing and asking.
I rather enjoy reading your point of views. Being an avid Lawlight shipper myself (which you might found dissapointing, and for that, I apologise) I found it rather... boring that most, if not all, were very insistent that L would join Light's side if given the opportunity while writing him very, very poorly. I enjoy these two through the energy they emitted while actively going against each other. Not when they shook hands and went about it all the same like a carousel ride.
Second: What is your opinion on the whole Wammy's House organisation debacle? On A and B? The whole Successor Programme?
I don't like it. Having being nurtured the same as these children does, I absolutely resented it. Partly because of how harmful the product of the whole environment, largely because of how it reflects the morale ground Quillsh Wammy stood and what he believes in. I despise men in suits, even more so than people in orange jumpers or stripped, black and white outfit.
(Call me E.H. I would like for us to be friends. Mutuals.)
Please, E.H., I would be honoured to be mutuals, but how could you betray me like this? Mid-message? Dropping a bomb of that size on me and my blog?
Seriously, though, I would like that. I will overlook this little flaw of yours, because not everyone can be perfect, and I will accept you with open arms.
Okay. Really dropping the act this time. You don’t have to apologies for shipping them, even though I suppose it was more ironic than anything. I already have mutuals that are like you. I filtered out the various tags concerning L/Light – there are a lot of variations –, and I am fine.
I will survive if I add one more… Hopefully — but I think, in this case, it is more of a “probably”, because you do seem to share some of my views on the whole manga/anime and that means we have some common ground, even though I believe that is not that difficult.
I am really glad you like reading my long-ass posts, because I do enjoy writing it. I actually was waiting for some kind of feedback from you, because, truthfully, I wasn’t sure if your opinions were supposed to be just published without any input from me or if you actually wanted me to say something.
I was both confused (didn’t understand why you decided specifically my blog, since it’s not that well know) and delighted by them.
In any case, I am happy to see this message, especially the last part. You are the first person on here who explicitly stated the wish for my friendship. I didn’t expect that at all. I’ve been told that I seem intimidating, and I still don’t get why, so seeing that someone isn’t put off by this, it’s a nice feeling.
I will now get to your questions, and the post is going to be long, because it’s on a topic that I am actually working on and wanted to do a post of my own, but felt like, “why would people care?”, so I am glad that you do.
PREMISE
I need to do a premise before, because I feel like this is relevant to understanding my opinion.
I would love to kick myself in the face every time I happen to mention it (even though I do so to help my motivation), because it seems that I bring it up so many times and it’s making me annoyed, like, “can this bitch (me) just shut the fuck up already?”. However, it’s important in this context.
I am writing a fanfiction about the Wammy’s House, during L’s years there. And, since I am doing this, my idea of the Wammy’s House is crafted in a way that can make my story work, but I do realize this, so I will try to eliminate all my OCs’ stuff (I think I’ll mention them), even though I still believe that some roles or events I have created can be considered plausible (not canon, of course), because they help explain some things that I noticed about L while reading the manga.
Another thing is that this is a work in progress and while I have an outline for the plot, a lot of things about the Wammy’s are still not definitive. So, everything I say is not set in stone. [This question also made me realise that I made a huge error when it comes to the timeline of my fanfic, which screwed up half of the outline, but thank you.]
Other than this, Ohba left a wide-open door for any interpretation of Watari and the Wammy’s, because he didn’t think too much about them. He just wrote them in for plot purposes and never developed them properly, so anything goes, theoretically, so maybe I will be a bit more lenient on both. I don’t deny the possibility of them being pretty fucked up, because I cannot say that what I think is completely backed by canon. To each their own, but since you have experienced a similar environment, I had to preface this, because my view on it doesn’t adhere to the reality of some of these institutions, and I don’t want you to believe that I’m oblivious to the real-life problems that occur.
I think I took more liberty here, because I had few things to start from, and I’m really fond of the idea that the people (Roger and Watari too) at the Wammy’s were like a family, with its ups and downs (more downs than ups – even in my fic, so I realise that not everything is all peaches and cream). It’s just the wishful thinking of my younger self that so desperately wanted to be part of that world, and I have a hard time getting rid of it.
I must also say that most of my choices regarding the Wammy’s structure and organisation is based on “gut feeling”/intuition. More often than not, I feel if something is right or wrong, even though I can’t pinpoint exactly what’s the reason for that. I just have the impression that something must be in a certain way, and if I don’t comply to this, it just feels uncomfortable until I fix it.
WATARI & ROGER
I want to start from them to explain exactly what I think of these two, particularly their past and what led them to create the Wammy’s.
Reference to another post I wrote – headcanons about Roger – but you needn’t to read it, since I am going to repeat it here, and it talks more about their relationship than the Wammy’s.
In my mind, Watari was both a professor and an inventor. The professor job needed to provide for him before his inventions took off and gave him enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his life, since it seems that he was quite rich, even before L gained something.
So, together with Roger, who was his assistant, he was in close contact with different types of students and noticed the disparity between those who can study and have the resources and those who don’t them but have the abilities to continue. Of course, they couldn’t intervene in the private business of these people. Instead, they discussed knowledge, intelligence, and the social economic situation of England (and later around the world) that didn’t allow young kids, especially orphans, to develop themselves and their abilities, since they didn’t have the means.
Not trusting the state institutions with their money, they decided to take matters into their own hands and had in mind to create an orphanage that had an internal school, so they can provide them resources and knowledge, without making them sacrifice any of those.
But then a dilemma appeared: “what if some kids can learn faster than others and we end up slowing them down?”
[learn faster than others – because “prodigy” doesn’t mean anything when it comes to orphans that don’t have resources or any help from adults.]
And from that dilemma, the Wammy’s House was born. It was a specific type of the institution they had in mind, which was meant for those who seemed more capable than others.
It’s said that Watari owns different orphanages, but they are not talked about like the Wammy’s, so it’s safe to assume the main difference is this one – what kind of kids are there and what they learn.
About Roger, I honestly think that the “he hates kids” was added to have some sort of comedic effect. However, if it was meant to be taken seriously, and I do consider it canon, there are two reasons to me:
He began to hate them, as he continued to work at the Wammy’s, because they pulled pranks on him. He’s not fierce – shown to us by how he responded to Mello grabbing him and how he stopped Mello from bothering another kid. He is quite passive and not confrontational, so I believe he was an easy target for the kids, and he grew to despise their behaviour and to be quite afraid of them in a way, because, while he tried to stop Mello, his attempt was shallow. I don’t think this is because he didn’t care, but because Mello was angry at him, and his explosive nature made him cautious.
Romantic reason: the kids, and especially L, took Watari from him Watari was too occupied with his work that he almost forgot what he and Roger had. That obviously pained Roger and he began to resent the situation and those who stole him and his attention. That would explain why their relationship grew cold, because we don’t see Roger communicate with Watari once, so it means that something happened that drove them apart, aka these kids got in between.
No matter what the reason is, Roger tries to be emotionally distant from them. I have this trope that I associate with him of the grumpy old man having to deal with a kid because of circumstances he cannot control, and he grows attached to them, wanting to protect them at best of his abilities. This is my wishful thinking, but I believe he has those moments in which he thinks, “maybe they are not that bad”, and they then do something that makes him annoyed, and he’s like, “never mind”.
Watari is emotionally not present too, not because he doesn’t want to be involved, but because he is still an inventor before becoming L’s right hand indefinitely and full-time, so he has to fulfil that role and be involved in that community to promote his stuff, to develop it, and etc. Also, the Wammy’s and the other orphanages are relatively new in my opinion, because he first established them when he’s around 40-45, so a few years before L was born, and he has to make sure they all work as he wants to, and he has to make connections so he can find these kids to bring to the Wammy’s. So, he has a lot on his plate. For this reason, if the kids need to talk to him, they have to go through Roger and get a date and an hour for when he is avaliable. Roger says that if it's urgent, they can talk to him, but they are like, "no, thanks", aka they would rather eat cold and raw food for the rest of their lives.
WAMMY’S HOUSE
Location
I have actually thought about this for a long time, and even wrote a post (after I finished this section, I noticed that I was repeating word for word what I had put here, so please, consider reading it for all the reasons).
Littleton, in the north-west part of Winchester.
I know I’m kind of going the extra mile by doing this, but I’ve always done it for every structure I had to write something about, so the Wammy’s gets a real-life location too.
The actual true reason for which I chose this location is because it’s near big fields, and I needed that for plot purposes, but even without considering that, it seems to fit what we know about L’s life there.
He played tennis – there’s a tennis court 20 minutes by foot from there. Relevant that it’s by foot, because I imagined that Watari couldn’t constantly leave the Wammy’s with L for long periods of time and multiple times a week. He had other affairs to attend to, aside from his responsibility at the Wammy’s.
A’s suicide – there’s a church where he can be buried. It can be reached by foot, so the kids could attend his funeral. I also have a morbid headcanon that B took his body from his grave. I also liked to tie the church to L hearing bells before he dies, so this closeness would make it possible for everyone inside the Wammy’s to hear them.
Big space – because the Wammy’s seems to be pretty big by the manga panels we have, and I have a specific idea of how it’s structured, both its exterior and interior, so it was necessary to have many hectares available.
Structure
I made floor plans. I started this a while ago and never actually completed it, because the site I was using was infuriating, but I found an app, and managed to copy what I had done in the other one. I forgot to change the names of the rooms, because I created this to help me visualise the setting of my fic, so ignore them for now (I will point out some names there, just to explain one thing). Don't mind that they are two different sizes, because the app didn't let me make some of the furniture smaller, so I had to enlarge the rooms, so that's why the first floor is bigger.
It’s not definitive, because I still don’t understand where I should put their stairs – or if to put them, ‘cause based on Mello and L’s egos, they already think so highly of themselves that I don’t think they need a staircase to reach the first floor.
In my fic, I didn’t explicitly state where they are supposed to be. I’m letting the readers figure that one out for me, while I just stick to say if they go down or up them. The main problem is not if they should face or not the entrance, because they have to, but where the hell are on the first floor? My gut feeling keeps making me image them next to Lex’s room, but that doesn’t make sense and would be pretty ugly on the ground floor – they would be too close to the entrance, and I hate it. So, I’m just going to ignore it, until it becomes a problem, which I doubt because I’m the one writing this, and nobody is going to police every single detail.
The two unnamed bedrooms on the ground floor are for people that work there (cooks, cleaning staff or the nurse) that can’t go home for reasons.
In my fic, one of the rooms is always vacant, because I imagine that the employees are near the Wammy’s, so they don’t need to stay there, and it is a storage closet, with all of things – costumes and decorations for all kinds.
It’s a pretty big institution. The size of the rooms might not give that away, but it’s big. It has high ceilings, and the classrooms and bedrooms are longer than wider, but they are still very spacious. When I write and imagine it, even it’s from the perspective of small children, I envision everything to be comfortable even for older kids.
I couldn’t add everything I think it has, so I’ll just list them:
A small football field on the left with two benches, so the kids can rest.
Some big trees next the corners of the garden and some bushes here and there.
A stone path from the main entrance to the gate.
A shed on the right, with all the gardening tools.
The interior might not coincide with the way it is portrayed in the manga panels, but I like to imagine that after A’s death and L’s parting, things got restructured and the internal organisation changed.
Internal organisation - from the year it was founded to 1993, so even during L’s years there
I placed L’s arrival in 1988, when he’s about to turn 9, because L is shown to us to be in relatively light clothing in the one-shot “L: The Wammy’s House”, so it can’t be after 31st October. Winchester usually has a high of 11° and a low of 4° in November, and 8° and 2° in December, so I don’t see why he would be dressed up like that.
And 1993, because he says to Light that he stayed in England for 5 years, which also means that he is not from there. I headcanon him to be born in Scotland, because it’s hilarious to think he has a Scottish accent that he hides – “Bang! if Ah was kira, yoo'd be deid.” | “Looks loch someain drapped thes ceel phain in th' crowd earlier.” and so on. It’s so funny. And also, it kind of makes sense why he wasn’t in England before and why he knows standard English. He could also be from Northern Ireland, but he gives me Scottish vibes.
1993 is also the year in which I place A’s death. I don’t follow the timeline from Another Note, because I cannot imagine A and B being younger than L. I’ll talk about this later.
ENTRY
The first requisite for the kids to be brought to the Wammy’s is to show that they are more able than other (as in “able to learn to a faster speed” or show some specific ability), and they usually are kids that were in another orphanage already. Watari has a wide social network and, to me, he’s called by the people in charge of those institutions (that could be his, like he just owns it and is contact with the ones who take care of it) when they realise a kid’s ability. For this reason, rarely there are kids who are very young, and I put that the second requisite is that they have to be at least 5 years old, because the school inside it goes only from elementary school to high school.
Only in exceptional circumstances, the Wammy’s House takes on younger kids, e.g., if they are in danger and the Wammy’s is the closest place where they can stay. However, after everything is settled (a matter of a few days), they are transferred to other orphanages administrated by Watari if they are that young. They still can come back, when they are older, but it’s a lot more work to look after toddlers or pre-schoolers.
After passing the entry exam, all the kids have their own personal folders with all their existing documents – birth certificate, medical records, etc. – that will be given back to them once they leave the Wammy’s House.
While the whole letter system becomes a thing when L appears, the kids still have to choose their alias, because some of them surely have a troubled past and choosing a new name is a fresh start, as if the bad things that happened to them can’t reach them anymore inside those walls. Since making only some choose it would make them stood out, it is implemented as a general rule, and even Watari does it so it isn't seen as a bad thing.
ENTRY EXAM
To enter the Wammy’s House, there is an exam. Since every one of the kids that are sent here is with the idea that they are more able, the admission rate is 100%.
The exam covers different abilities: raging from knowledge the orphan should possess for their age to difficult stuff (this knowledge is chosen based on the national curriculum for students up to 18 years old), and it includes other scopes (e.g., musical, artistic, etc. – to understand if they have an inclination to something or if they are interested in that).
There is also a social part. Since they live into a community, it’s good to understand how to live with others. If they don’t pass this part, it doesn’t mean they get automatically excluded, but it can lower their position a bit.
There is an obvious fallacy, because if they theoretically know how to behave towards others, it doesn’t mean they employ that behaviour. In fact, most of the kids “know” how to act in a community, but they have some behavioral issues, and the higher they are in the grade system, the worse they are. I like the irony I created, so I’m keeping it in.
This exam focuses more on the thought process than the result.
THE GRADE SYSTEM
I created a system made by 6 grades + 1, which is called “Apex”.
All of them have a basic requirement in knowledge.
The first three (1 is the lowest, 3 is the highest) are more socially oriented and coincide to elementary and middle school. They mostly teach kids social skills, so they can work all together to get to a common objective, aka pass the grade. They focus on play, conversation, emotional intelligence and problem-solving skills.
When developing this, Watari thought it would be quite easy to pass it, but he was wrong. He found out that letting the kids try the test – which is, like, a presentation, a competition and a debate – every year created more hatred between them, so he had to add another year, so they could defuse these feelings and make them understand that cooperation is the best option.
The result here is not that important. The most important part is how they got there and how they all behaved towards each other, which should be inclusive. And, while the kids can maybe work better together as a class or big groups and pass the first two with ease, grade 3 is tricky. Not because the curriculum is hard, but because they need to find a person and trust that they are on the same page as them, but not everyone is eager to get to the new grade.
It never happened for someone of the age 13 to still be in the grade 3, so it was never a problem to “what if they remain there until they become 18?”, because Wammy’s existence is short at this point in time, and usually they find someone, but, in case it happens, Watari has a plan B and it’s individual classes to teach them what they should know at their age. They are still in grade 3 and they still have to do the debate with someone else, but if they pass it, depending on how much they have learnt, they can also do the exam to get to grade 5 or skip the classes about the things they already know, because the other three grades (4 is the lowest, 6 is the highest) are more individualistic. They don’t have to work with the others to pass it, so here is more important the result.
The last “grade” is not a grade, but a category. These are those who fulfilled all the requirements and are “free” to do whatever they want. It’s like they finished high school. They are not required to go to class or take some exams, unless they ask to get a degree or a master, in which case, if they need it, a professor is called to assist them and then, an external qualified examinator to test them and their knowledge. But, other than that, they are completely free.
CLASSES AND TEACHERS
Classes are semi-mandatory, and everyone is greatly encouraged to take part to all of them. Watari may even talk to those who deems more needing to be present, which are usually those in the first grades, especially if they misbehave or show anti-social behaviour.
For the first grades, there is one teacher per grade for every subject, since the syllabus is not hard. They are of course specialized in those parts. This choice was made for consistency and to create a great bond with them, since having different teachers might throw off the dynamics that exist within the class.
For the other grades, since the topics are harder, there is a different teacher for subject.
School time is a bit different from the one for the public school:
Youth Month represents the start of summer break.
Classes are resumed in September.
They have all the other breaks like Easter, Christmas and so on.
The classes are from Monday to Friday, and every student has their own timetable that may or may not coincide with those who share their same grade – it depends on what they know already, determined by a test at the end of every quarter.
ACTIVIES
Youth Month
For this, I took inspiration from youth games in Italy, which is basically an event that promotes inclusivity, sport, healthy competition, and social relations.
It’s in May, and every Sunday there is a different activity in which pairs compete. There are two different competitions based on age: 7-12; 13-17.
In 1989, I put that:
May 7: three legs run.
May 14: relay race.
May 21: treasure hunt.
May 27: cops and robbers (the last game is divided into two big groups to give a chance to gain a lot of points for those who didn’t until then).
In 1990, the only change I made is that the third game is table tennis, since it was raining outside.
Holidays
Valentine's Day, Halloween, Christmas, and New Year's Eve are the main holidays that are celebrated inside the Wammy's, because even though I believe that Watari is Christian and the orphanage has an affiliation to Christianity, I don’t think he indoctrinate the kids. That would go against the core of the Wammy’s in my opinion, because kids are supposed to think critically and accepting the existence of God without questioning it is not. They can always turn to that religion if they feel close to it, but it’s not mandatory. They don’t go to Church (imagine two old gay men having to make sure 30+ kids don’t destroy it every Sunday) nor celebrate other very Christian holidays, like Easter. They might have a feast, but it’s not publicly associated to the resurrection of Jesus.
This is a choice I made based on the fact that nobody showcases any belief in any type of supernatural entities. Mello wears a rosary, and it seems more symbolic than him actually believing and practicing the religion. I associate it to his mother, who I like to headcanon as a devoted Christian, since Eastern Europe/Balkans are very, extremely, to a worrying extent religious, to the point that people would rather go to church or call a priest home and pray instead of visiting a doctor to cure any kind of injury.
[Tangent: and the church as an institution seems like the mafia. I happened to be home in Romania when the priest and his helpers had to bless our home and they made us kneel in the dark with torches in hand. We had to kiss his ring and give him money, and it’s not like a voluntary contribution. It’s pretty much blackmailing, because if you don’t “donate”, they have the right to give your place in the graveyard to someone else, and they write it down how much you paid to see if it’s enough when you die. If it is not, your kids or relatives have to pay. It’s wild. It’s not everywhere like this, but the church is quite shady, at least in Romania, and they brainwashed people, especially older ones, to devote everything to them. It's insane.]
Halloween:
I put that a few days before Halloween one of the older kids is appointed to go around the Wammy’s and take notes of what the kids would love to eat (candies) and what they want to dress up as. Everything is done in the realm of possibilities. Watari is going to buy the costumes he can find. Usually, they are passed down from one person to another, so during L’s years, there have been enough requests to have pretty much the ones that are more common, and the only change is to make them fit the new person wearing it. Kids like also to be crafty, like for a mummy costume, they are going to use toilet paper and so on. It’s more about the candies, because he needs to buy something they will like.
In the first part of the day, Watari calls some outsiders to help him decorate the Wammy’s and carve pumpkins into jack-o'-lanterns. Some kids give a hand, but the others are more preoccupied with their costumes.
The party usually starts at 17:30, after they take a group photo under the “Hallowe’en XXXX” banner over their head. They then play games and just do their things, while eating candies and other sweets. At 19, there is a feast. After that, Watari or Roger tell the kids some age-appropriate scary stories, and at 21, Littleton has fireworks, but you really have to be lucky to see them, aka it doesn’t have to rain, and it usually does.
Since trick and treat wasn’t popular in UK until the late 80s-early 90s, I put that the kids at the Wammy’s experienced it for the first time in 1992. Watari didn’t understand it at first, because he was the one to buy candies for the kids, so why would they need to go to someone else? (Poor grandpa, feeling replaced).
Christmas:
I wanted to do something different. Watari doesn’t ask the kids what they might want, but tries to surprise them, showing that he knows them, so that he can make up for all the time he isn’t present, which is a lot. He buys the gifts and places them under the tree in the main hall. After the kids open them, they take again a group photo next to the tree and the kids have all their presents in their hand, showing them to the camera. It’s very cozy and calm holiday. They have a big feast, and the kids are let playing with their new toys. They even watch some Christmas movies.
New Years’s Eve:
Watari doesn’t prepare anything special, other than a feast. There are fireworks, and that's it.
Valentine’s day:
There are two types, for those older than 14 and those younger, because I think the Wammy’s is strict when it comes to romance (mostly about PDA), which is not that serious at that age. But it’s an important part of growing up and they cannot go around fearmongering that liking someone in a romantic sense is bad. That would defeat the purpose of the first 3 grades. If you can’t like someone in that way, then you can’t even get near them, as to avoid the possibility of that feeling to develop.
Generally, everyone gets chocolates and candies, but they are also required to write a nice card to someone else. This person is chosen by extraction – done by Watari, who can pretend that is random, but it’s actually not.
In my fic, they usually write stupid things, like “you are funny”, but some of them get someone they have petty rivalry with, and so they write backhanded compliments, because they can go to Watari and complain about the card, and the sender can just lie that they meant it, that it’s all in good faith.
Those that are older than 14 can ask Watari a gift to buy to someone, but of course, it’s fucking embarrassing to go and ask him that, so they usually just gift their sweets to that person and do a hand-made card for them, if they feel like it. Only those that are braver go to ask him to buy a rose, a special card or something.
Stargazing
I added this activity for the summer break, in which they all gather in a nearby field and look at the sky on some specific days.
There is also an astronomer called by Watari that can answer their question, but the reason for this was to let the kids feel a bit freer and not confined within the gates of the Wammy’s, especially the younger ones that can’t go to the recreational ground. They can play some games there, but usually they just lay on the ground and talk with each other. There is a telescope they can use.
Recreational ground
There’s a park near the Wammy’s – 20 minutes by foot, but they usually use bicycles to get there.
Only those age 13 or up can go there. They can’t go alone, but always with someone. If someone age 11 or up wants to go, they need to be accompanied by someone age 16 or up, because those of 13-14-15 might not pay attention to them that much, even if they say, “yes, of course”.
For extra measure, Watari has the numbers of those who live near the park, that can contact him in case something happens. Those under 11 can’t go there under no circumstances. I decided this because the roads that take to the park are not safe for riding bicycles, and there is an age limit for doing that on the road.
Other than the necessary stuff for riding the bicycles, they have a tag with the number of the Wammy’s and a bag with Wammy’s insignia on it, because I did create it. It was just a vision in my mind, but I did a draft using picsart and color, so here you go. It’s not well made, since the lines of the ribbon banner are not straight. The ribbon banner I took from Google had such a bad quality that I could see each pixels (like in the first picture), so I had to draw over the border to make it more full.
The picture on the left was the first version.
The first idea was to have a W with an H behind it, like this.
But I decided to change it, also because it has all the letters of Watari.
Everything that is propriety of the Wammy’s House has this on.
SUCCESSOR PROGRAMME
Premise
First and foremost, I don’t like the idea of Watari being the one to impose it on everyone, without any regard for what they want to do, because I think he’s experienced enough with kids to know that you can't just force them to do something. They won’t. You can coerce them by using violence and threats, but none of the kids that we know of showcase any sign of being physically abused.
It’s also important to note that not everyone in the Wammy’s is competitive. Mello is the only one who wants to be at the top. Matt and Linda don’t care, and neither does Near. He is just first because he is that smart. However, this is after.
Competitiveness is more prevalent in the system I had created, because being in the Apex means not having to follow classes or have to listen to teachers. That’s the prime reason for why people want to reach it. It’s not about prestige, because I don’t think the kids, especially younger ones, have that concept wired in their brain. And usually, as a self-preservation technique, people tend to consider negative something they cannot reach/have and that opinion is automatically applied to those who can enjoy it, which makes them want to stay away from it so nobody thinks that of them, but if they had the chance to join it, they would take it in a heartbeat.
E.g., imagine someone that wants to go to a water park, but they find out that the entrance costs a lot or it’s far away. They are more likely to think, “well, it wasn’t that good to being with” or that it’s only for rich bastards or something, rather than accept that it just happens. They will even talk badly about it to others. However, if they manage to get in, they will enjoy every second of it.
So, in this case, while advancement is okay, getting to the higher position is pretty much a curse, because if you act in a certain way that is redeemed rude, then the reason is considered to be your status.
In my fic, when A and B got in to the Apex, people started to have a negative opinion of them. They have always been on their own, but since they are now reserved AND in the Apex, then it’s because they think too highly of themselves and less of others, which makes people find them some times annoying, even when they are doing nothing wrong. They might still interact with them nicely, but that doesn’t mean they like them.
Secondly, the general theme of the Death Note is that people are responsible for their own downfall in a way, so I’m going to follow that when it comes to its establishment and organisation.
L's idea
Unlike others in the fandom, I consider A and B to be older than L (4 years apart), so the successor programme was first tasted out when L was living there. Decided this because I want him to see what he caused, and for the reasons in the post I hyperlinked.
I have a kind of specific yet not definitive idea of how L’s life before the Wammy’s was. I won’t write all down because I don’t think it’s that important. The only part that is, is the fact that he managed to stop a terroristic attack to get Watari’s attention, because “go big or go home”, and he was the one who decided to establish the successor programme.
Establishment
When he arrived at the Wammy’s, he wanted immediately to get down to business, and asked Watari to talk to the smartest people there: A and B, together.
L introduced the idea for “when I’m away”, as in “when I am taking a break” – because I imagine him to ramble about his career to Watari in the days they stayed together before going back to the Wammy’s and on the 8-10 hours long trip, and Watari pointed out to him that he needed to have time to play/free time, and L said that he was right, that he’d put someone in his place for that time, he’d teach them what he knew, because he was very good at it, he was basically justice itself for how many things he knew – but A and B took that as in “when he dies”.
It was in that moment that L took everything more seriously. They talked for hours. A and B asked him lots of questions about that project, the possibility of that to happen, and how to make sure that it can last for a long time.
And while the conversation started as more of an abstract idea, after L showed them what he managed to do, they were both impressed and eager to learn to be able to do the same. They too had an interest in solving riddles, and… C’mon, it’s cool to be a detective, especially one that was supposed to be the greatest.
They discussed the technicalities and decided not to limit themselves only to two members, so that’s how the successor programme was actually created. It was also A and B to decide their own names, because they said that, since he’s called L, they too should have they own letters, and, while talking, they said, “I would be an alternative” and “if you are that, then I’ll be your backup”, so that’s how they got them.
Basically, it started with L, but A and B became co-owners of this programme in a way, and L didn’t mind it, because they were older than him, seemed wiser, and he looked up to them in a way.
For the others, the letters were chosen in two different ways: the first five smartest people there would be the first letters of the alphabet, while the others would have their own letter based on their real name, because five people were enough.
And I say, “smartest people”, but A and B advised L to look for other qualities other than that, because you can have someone that is extremely intelligent, but if they are extremely reckless too, then that detective persona is doomed to fail.
All three of them talked to kids in grades 4-5-6 and the Apex (in my fic, there are other two people here) about this project, but they weren’t obliged to accept. They let L speak, who explained what they were planning to do, showed them what he did, and gave them the choice to accept or not. If they didn’t accept, they would ask them to not divulge the information they discussed. In my fic, no one actually says no, because they think it’s awesome.
In case they accepted, he granted them a wish, something that he would fulfil, so that, if they wouldn’t get chosen, at least they wouldn’t think they wasted time. It’s a quality I noticed in L, while reading the manga. I explained it in my long post about the characters: he compensates his actions, which I think it’s something he picked up as he started to be interested in solving cases (before he arrived at the Wammy’s), because he saw what criminals had to do after they got caught doing something bad, and wasting people’s time is bad.
So, everyone had a choice and L, initially, worked mostly with the first five people in the successor programme, but not immediately.
In my fic, there is the MC that tries to destroy him and his project, but even without her, it makes sense that he would take time, years even, to make sure this project can operate without any vulnerabilities. He’s far-sighted and took things more seriously, thanks to A and B’s inputs, so he wanted to create a solid foundation for this detective persona and the project.
However, he didn’t spend all his time thinking about that, because he is also a child, so he experienced a bit of his childhood: he participated in Wammy’s activities, played with the other kids, spent his time picking and giving up interests, etc. He even had tennis practices and tournaments, so it’s not like he just solved cases. He still did – smaller ones – but not all the goddamn time. He was also into stocks, and he had to pay attention to that too.
To me, he started when he was 12-13 to solve them periodically, but not publicly, just to have some credibility in the eyes of England’s law enforcement, that could then recommend him to other national law enforcement, slowly building up his empire.
There wasn’t this urgency or this pressure to be like him. It was like a long-period plan that still had to show its fruits. L wouldn’t even tell all the members everything he solved – just the first five, because he would give them the case files to practice their skills.
ALTERNATIVE / A
So, he was older than L and participated to the establishment of the successor programme.
For the first years, he didn’t actually think too much about it, but as he was slowly approaching being 18, he started to have doubts about his abilities, because, as said before, L gave him case files to solve and he wasn’t able to get any of them entirely right. He still didn’t want to admit defeat and be a disappointment in the other eyes’, so he tried times and times again. This had an impact on his mental health, of course.
L noticed this change in attitude and told him that he can switch places with B. He had no problem with it, but A, instead of admitting that he wasn’t fit for the position, preferred to argue with him, damaging their relation.
The situation was really heavy for him, and since telling the truth was worse than anything else, his first attempt to leave it was by running away from the Wammy’s. That didn’t go well, because B, with a group of people there, managed to find him. A invented some kind of excuse, that he was being followed and didn’t want to bring them to the orphanage. B didn’t buy it, and they too started to argue.
So, in that case, telling the truth was worse than death and he couldn’t bear the idea of being a complete failure, and killed himself.
That’s how I see how things went, more or less. And L was blamed for it. The successor programme was interrupted, and some of them decided not to participate anymore, even though they could always return, once and if it would be resumed.
L left the Wammy’s the same year, before turning 14, which is important, because B kills a 13-years old girl by bashing her head, and that what I think he wanted to do to L (in my fic, it’s him and the MC, but whatever) at that time, but couldn’t.
In my fic, A’s name at the Wammy’s is Natal, because it means birth/birthday. And B’s name is Elioenai, which means “towards him are my eyes”. Now, this can have different interpretations: the “eyes” could mean the Shinigami eyes and “him” could be Natal, or L. I am not sure how much I consider him having the Shinigami eyes to be canon. It’s an interesting concept, but I don’t understand how that would be possible, like what led to that and what else does it mean for B? Is he part Shinigami? Or his mother had wild sex with a Shinigami, that then got some type of punishment by the King, because it’s against the rules?
I don’t know, so I don’t count them as canon, to be honest. Cool, but I don’t get it.
For me, Beyond Birthday means also “After Natal”.
BEYOND BIRTHDAY / B
I don’t believe he went completely insane after A’s death. In my mind, he was always kind of shady, ruthless, based on survival instinct and self-preservation. He had an attachment to A, but he had no problem to consider him also a tool that he could use and then discard, if he needed to. He loved him, but he always prioritized himself, at the end of the day.
I associate to them the betrayal trope - Was It All a Lie?
If things went differently and A became L, that would not last long, because B would kill him so that he could succeed him, and nobody would question it, because they wouldn’t know what truly happened.
A’s death screwed up his plan and blamed L for it. He wanted to take his place, but he first needed his detective persona to be well established. He let L do the hard work to create it. A mostly gave some inputs to help him, while B supervised it, to make sure that everything was going according to his plan.
Since A was chosen as first successor, he couldn’t convince him to switch places, because he didn’t want him and L to have the impression that he really wanted that.
He honestly believed that L would be the first one to crack, because he was younger, but when A died and the project stalled for an indefinite period of time, he couldn’t take it. He planned his life to go in a certain way, but now L wouldn’t work as L anymore for an indefinite time, making no progress, and the project was a big question mark, without any information on when or if it would be resumed? That made him see red.
If he couldn’t become L, then nobody deserved it, and he decided to impersonate L and ruin his career. If he had managed to kill himself in Another Note, while Misora still believed him to be L, then that would’ve had irreparable damages to L’s credibility (Misora would tell Raye, who would tell to the FBI, and etc.), and L would’ve needed a lot of time to get that trust back.
That’s one of my interpretations of the LABB case, because I can’t really explain why B decided to that. We take for granted that the Another Note is canon, given also the praise by Ohba, but… It’s not. I have a hard time to consider things about L published after the manga conclusion canon, because they usually follow the fandom’s reaction. I consider the two one shots about Near canon, because Near has never had the same kind of fanbase L did and does, so it’s easy to not be influenced by what other people think.
In Another Note’s case, it’s also written by someone else and, even though it might be weird to say it, it’s a fanfiction in my eyes, that Ohba considers canon because he is lazy, and couldn’t come up with any type of case L solved. He said that himself.
I pick and choose, basically. I could also throw Another Note out the window, with A and B, and pretend they don’t even exist, and I wouldn’t be “wrong” in doing so, but I like them, even though some parts of the novel leave me confused, because it contradicts the canon.
AFTER A'S DEATH
I haven’t thought about this too much. I have just a general idea of the fact that the orphanage got restructured in some way, but don’t know what exactly changed. It’s just my gut feeling telling me that, as well as saying that the grade system got replaced by a simple graduation list, who ranked the kids based on points they gathered during the year by doing tests, and etc. Can’t go in-depth, because there is nothing here that I actually explored. It isn’t important in my fic, so I haven’t paid too much attention to that. I might start to think about it in the future, but I still want to submit my answer.
It gets tricky when it comes to who decided that Mello and Near are meant to be his successors. It makes sense that it would be something imposed to them, but they seem to want it. Near takes on the title of his successor and even tells Light that he is that, meaning that he does not despise it. Mello clearly wants to be the best, and the best in his eyes is L, and I think this is due to the fact that L, during their time, is an established figure in the world and they want to be like him. He came from the Wammy’s, which tells them that they can reach that level of grandiosity.
In the 2013 “It’s not about justice" one-shot, it said that some of the kids lose respect for L and keep their distance, so it is not mandatory for everyone to be part of the successor programme. Maybe even here, it’s mainly for the best in the institution, so that position was offered to Near, Mello and Matt (third in line).
Mello accepted for obvious reasons. Near because he likes to solve puzzles. Matt because, “yeah, why not”, but never believed that he would ever end up actually taking on that role, because Mello was in front of him.
Here, they are not given letters in an alphabetical order, so there isn’t a first or a second for L’s position (it exists only inside the Wammy’s), and it ties well with what I said before about A and B. A felt like he needed to become L and couldn’t back down or ask for help because he was "A", but now, who feels fit will take on L’s role and can also work with the other, without feeling like they need to do things alone.
I doubt L would make the same mistake twice and impose such job on only one person. Besides, I don’t think L believed to die that young, so while they taught them some important skills to be a detective, the idea was that they will become L later in life – in their 40/50s. Unfortunately, L died young and so even the successors were young.
Maybe it’s just naivety on my part, and the interpretation of the majority in this fandom of the Wammy’s House, Watari and the Successor Programme is more accurate than mine.
Of course, characters’ individual experience of the Wammy’s can be absolutely horrendous and they are not fond of the institution, but I don’t think Wammy’s House was born or became as something meant to create copies of L, especially because Near and Mello’s, as well as Matt and Linda’s, personalities and thought processes aren’t a carbon copy of his. They are their own people, in some way.
That’s all I had to say. I think I wrote enough to get a grasp of my idea of everything, even though there are some parts that I did not disclose or aren’t definitive. So, keep that in mind – I might as well wake up one day and decide to consider Wammy’s a factory of Ls, that resembles the common depiction of Hell in cartoons, but I highly doubt it.
Hope you like it. Let me know. And thank you for the ask, as always.
I kept thinking who you might be, based on when you sent the asks and my notifications around that time – maybe to find a correlation (e.g., you read something I wrote and thought of talking about that) – and I identified some accounts. Some of them are mutuals, that I can now exclude. The other non-mutuals that ship L/Light but have views that are different from yours. So, when I said that maybe I know who you might be, I think I was wrong, so I am quite curious to find out the truth.
Take care, E.H.
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I didn't get a weird vibe from EB but it was odd how Rhett said they need to "feed the" shippers. Sure, Rhett. 👀
I don't think anyone had even speculated about their camping meetup. Haha
I am gonna explain both here because they go together.
Finally watched EB, just in time to get done with it before the new R&L video.
I didn’t see a weird vibe in EB either. Rhett indeed had COVID and in case he had been annoyed throughout his sickness with Link due to the reasons we discussed, it was over by the time of this recording. He didn’t however say a single thing about GME except that he felt horrible throughout. But no afterthoughts on the GME whatsoever. And since Link pointedly did not include Rhett among the people with positive views on it (himself and the crew) in his solo episode, it seems we will likely never have Rhett’s takeaway from GME3.
The one strange moment was when Rhett explained how he caught the virus after having sex with Jessie - again. Link was weird about Rhett’s sex with his wife. Water is wet. He didn’t say anything too much so you probably wouldn’t get it from the podcast format but it was visible in the video format. I had found it interesting last year how after so much time evading covid, Rhett and Link both caught it at the exact same time after vacationing together in a mountain town. But Rhett was adamant he caught it later from Jessie during the sex they were having and that Link must have caught it during his next vacation with his family. Now in this podcast, Link said that he had probably caught covid last year from Rhett and Rhett gave him a slight side look and said “no it cannot be because timing” and Link was like “yeah yeah you right”.
Of course this could have totally been the case (although Covid can make a lot of days to show the symptoms) but the funny thing here is… that you don’t have to have sex to get Covid lol That was one of the things that has driven the world crazy about it - that it is easy to catch! Rhett could have perfectly be in the same general area as Jessie and there would still be a high chance to get it especially since they had not figured out Jessie had Covid. Take me for example. I know how I caught it but how the person I caught it from caught it in the first place will remain the biggest mystery in the universe… But Rhett makes this almost seem like an std lol Again I am not saying he is not telling the truth but that it is funny how he overexplains getting Covid - like, he could also say “Jessie was sick and I got it too”. But the previous year he had also analysed how he was on top of her and their mouths were aligned and they were breathing into each other basically and, okay, Rhett you caught Covid. It happens a lot, trust me. We get it 😂
Now let’s go to what pissed me off both here and in GMM. I saw that the GMM thing was viewed positively or as a joke here on tumblr and I don’t know if I have got this the wrong way or something.
So in GMM Rhett chose to say in an irrelevant moment that they are trying to do certain things for the clicks, and apparently these things are taken seriously by certain fans who analyse them and they are so adamant about the conclusions that they draw regarding their lives that this certainty is so overwhelming that even they forget what the actual truth is or they end up agreeing or they are conditioned to agree. Link said ironically that this is very healthy. Rhett said all that with a smile.
I saw people here taking this as part joke-part semi-confirmation that some things in the theories are correct.
In EB he claimed Link made it sound like they had sex or fondled each other during their short encounter during camping. Fun fact: Link didn’t really sound like that, he said “we didn’t get into it that much” or something along those lines but well this can have a generic meaning, you have to be suspicious in advance or on edge to immediately consider that Link meant there was some light petting going on. I mean, Rhett eventually made it seem more suspicious than it was before.
But Rhett went on saying there are people living their lives wanting to believe that this was a romantic date. And much like in GMM he said they were mentioning things in such a way in order to cater to such fans and get the views. These are very similar statements in two different videos and it seems this is a thought taking a lot of space in Rhett’s brain lately.
Now here’s a few things:
The phrasing of this is exceptionally demeaning. While there are people believing or suspecting such things founded on a frankly strange behaviour from these two (including me lol), it is a wild leap to assume they are living their lives for it. Most people are able to make the connections or draw conclusions at real time while watching THEIR content. And then they can go on with their own lives. Given how fast they managed to lose some of their most dedicated shippers a few years ago, I would say that in fact most people don’t live their lives for it but some simply see it and some might find it cute? Appealing? Interesting? Idk. For me it’s intrigue more than anything else - I am curious how this thing will pan out. And a bit concerned since it’s been years I watch them - dunno how concerned I will keep being if Rhett keeps saying shit like that lol
The claim that they do it for the views - don’t make me laugh now. How will you get the views from it when all your content’s titles are about Doritos and sriracha?!?!?? The following they have gathered around them is in truth mostly foodies or generally people who like to consume various products and nowadays fewer viewers care about their friendship, their dynamic, their personal stories. They drove those successfully out. Whatever innuendos exist within the content (save for GME) are incidental, do not interest a great number of viewers and do not really attract a reliable and steady audience. You only have to check the views honestly. If this went in sync with how suspiciously homoromantic Rhett and Link act, there should be rises in the views, not drops! And their R&L videos would have been soaring, not struggling.
If Rhett says that they do things to attract shippers but then shippers get too serious and there is some sort of violation in their personal lives (that’s in fact what he implied, despite the smile and all), then the fault still lies with them. If he means they initially bait shippers this way, well since it gets out of hand and since as he claims it is all unfounded, well, here’s a solution: 🌺DON’T. BAIT. PEOPLE.🌼 If there’s no truth and it’s all strategically planned in those strange moments, then surely it will be very easy to stop. On the other hand, if despite all those concerns expressed, they still choose to perpetuate this for the “””””views”””””” and the money, well then I can’t feel sorry for them. It’s their choice. One of them really said “we are desperate”. Yeah I could tell that by the nipple suck. But if you are really getting desperate, maybe something doesn’t work right in the top of the Mythical Pyramid. And the problem is not the viewers, shippers or not. I was more understanding a few years ago but now I get the old shippers’ frustration more - you fuck up and then you say “oh it’s the fault of the one watching me that I fucked up but I need them to watch me so I am gonna keep fucking up” No thanks, if you ask me. Stop fucking up.
#Rhett and link#randl#R&L#negativity#ear biscuits#GME#gmm#good mythical morning#anon#ask#mythical#tw negativity
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The double standard that will never fail to piss me off is how some parts of the fandom will happily criticize Amity’s past behavior and downplay her parents abuse but will get angry if you ever dare criticize Hunter’s terrible behavior. Dude almost got Amity killed two times in Eclipse Lake and explicitly threatened her girlfriend. But god forbid you ever bring that up while watching someone else bring up the stupid “Amity almost got Luz dissected” argument for the thousandth time that doesn’t actually hold any weight.
I know this isn't the point of your ask but I really do love it when people try to say Amity was going to assist in the murder and dissection of Luz in that episode, because it's just so clearly not the case at all. Like. At all.
Anyway. I do think, yeah, there's sometimes a bit of a double-standard that can be irritating. You can't force anyone to enjoy the same characters you yourself enjoy, but I understand the wince you can get when someone dislikes them so intensely that they're wrong about the characterization.
On the other hand, Hunter's actions should not be excused, but they can certainly be explained. So can Amity's. They're two sides of the same coin, explicitly paralleled in that way, and it is--odd to vehemently dislike one of them when you praise the other for the way they've risen above their abusive tendencies.
Most of the Hunter fans that I see are just "meh" on Amity, which is obviously fine. I'm personally just "meh" on Hunter. I think it's mostly Those Shippers that tend to villainize her, and that's when you just block :) curate your own internet experience! It's so much nicer when you do.
#also I don't just mean regular-ass l/unter shippers I cant personally understand the ship but you do you#but there are some who are very Defensive about amity bc of it and thats a shame.#anyway sorry for the rant lmao#I find this sort of thing fascinating#toh#amity blight#hunter#hunter noceda#smokey answers#anonymous
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it seems like you and anon are still yet to figure out that tae has dug this hold for himself. he's not dating jungkook, he's dating jennie, and he messed up when he cared too much about ppl knowing that he's dating her by throwing her under the bus (when he pretended that the insta follow was accidental—which it was, but not bc she showed up in his recommendations, he was lurking on her account shortly after opening his own—and had armys ganging up on her in the comments) and he tried deflecting the fandom by mentioning jk a lot since he knows "armys would like that" (his own words but about him doing fan service with seokjin).
taehyung monitors army and he knows how popular taekook is in the fandom, and since it won't take much to distract tkkrs/army he started name dropping jungkook often when the taennie rumors were at their peak. he REALLY didn't want ppl to know he's been sleeping with the enemy. but alas.
also idk who decided on that paris date because it did look like a pr stunt but the relationship itself is not fake. imo i think it was either jennie who hired the pap bc she wants ppl to know she's dating V of BTS (who could blame her) or she managed to convince tae to soft launch their relationship but he was hesitant and backtracked after he saw the backlash. relationships are not perfect and no offense but jennie seems like a selfish person and a show-off and i hate that tae likes her but this is none of my business anyway. they've some really similar characteristics though (not necessarily bad things just stuff that i've observed over time after the rumors began) so it makes sense that they would date. i really hope they don't last though cause tae deserves someone with a better personality, someone nicer.
now that tae knows what kind of hole he had dug for himself, and he knows that name-dropping jungkook had blinks, kpoppies, and even jkkrs jumping him and calling him a coward he had to stop. he can still hang out with jungkook (and does!) since it doesn't translate badly to most people (except for insecure shippers) because taekook are friends. them hanging out or spending time together will never be the proof tkkrs want it to be, because there's nothing weird or out of the ordinary about their hang outs, especially when they've been consistently hanging within a friend group aka the wooga squad.
yeah yeah, tkkrs might be right about "the woogas adopted jk" thing or whatever, but who cares? it still means nothing romantic-wise for taekook. even all the name-dropping tae did had no romantic undertones to it but that pissed people off because jk was always singled out and constantly mentioned out of the blue on two minute lives for no clear reason AND it wasn't mutual on jk's end. it's the same situation with jk getting hated on by pjms because he keeps mentioning jimin when jimin seemingly doesn't care. but ofc jimin cares about jk, just like jk cares about tae, but the one-sided-ness of it all is causing issues between their groups of solos and shippers because "taehyung is obsessed with jungkook" but "jungkook is obsessed with jimin" and all the bs their solos spew.
taehyung's case is complicated because he now has blinks watching him and one wrong move from him that could potentially set jennie up will get him dragged to hell by her fans, and he doesn't want that especially now that he's promoting his album.
sometimes i feel like a lot of yall are really dense, and have no intuition at all. because what tae's has been up to this year is obvious as hell, he's actually pretty calculated and it showed especially this year and this is why all the jk mentions left a bad taste in my mouth midst the taennie fiasco, but only tkkrs and some armys (mainly army twitter) were in denial about it because they hate blackpink and their fans. but what we want isn't always what goes on in those celebrities lives and yall need to understand that they KNOW their audience and they know how to control it when things get out of control, and tae is no exception. he tried controlling his audience with the way he thought will work but it backfired on him because not all of his audience are gullible tkkrs, and now he's not trying anymore because it's risky when he's promoting (at least for now).
and i hate that people consider anyone who acknowledges that tae did wrong as an anti. we're not fucking antis for acknowledging things when our faves fuck up. they're humans, they make mistakes without thinking sometimes, taehyung fucked up when he ignored all the rumors about him and jennie and even actively tried to divert attention from it thinking that ALL who cared about the rumors were tkkrs who'll eat up his few jk mentions and move on with their lives. but there were armys, blinks, and kpop stans who didn't fall for this shit bc they don't care about some jk mentions, we noticed his pattern of singling out jk and as non-tkkrs it all clicked into place quick and the conclusion wasn't pretty. this is why i hope after his album promo ends he doesn't mess things up again because it will really cause issues.
Hi anon!
Tae singling out Jk isn't exactly new. A lot of people are looking at this like you are, like it was some masterplan Tae formed to hide his relationshi with Jennie. When actually, Tae and Jk just did what they always do. They just see each other a lot, and that shows. Whether it is through mentions in lives, through meeting, through being physically close in official footage... Jk and Tae just have a special bond. What has been new though, is that we are in a different era. Before chapter2, Tae and Jk's 'singling each other out' was obscured by the other members and by them also interacting wih other members a lot. Now though, both Tae and Jk have hung out with each other obviously more than they have with the other members (especcialy during the first part of the year. So for them mentioning each other like they normally would wasn't on purpose, it just was normal. If they'd hung out with Jin, or Jimin, or Hobi just as much, they would have mentioned them as well. You can also see this in with Jimin who kept seeing Hobi and Yoongi most, those were the members mentioned by him most. It's not something they came up with, it's just what they do. Jk isn't obsessed with Jimin. Although they obviously care about each other a lot, the interactions that are magnified atm (like Jk's live dedicated to Jimin, the recent live with Jk in bed) are all more or less sett of by something. It's just Jk spotting something about Jimin and going along with it in the moment. This is also how they have always been. It's banter and friendship.
Mentioning Jk to divert attention from Jennie is also very non-effevtive and management would have known that and advised him otherwise. It only means much to Tkkrs, and we are very much not the whole of army and Blinks. So only if Tae would've wanted just Tkkrs to not know about him and Jennie that might've been a thing, but that just doesn't make sense in any way. If they wanted to keep Tae and Jennie a secret they wouldn't have walked around Paris like that (which yes was obvious pr). Tae posted Jk on his insta right before that, so whas that also still him trying to divert attention right before soft landing his relationship? Please, they have a whole team behind them who advises them about how to deal with situations like this. No company would let things run wild the way they have unless that was the intention. If they were actually together, there would have been a confirmation straight after Paris to calm things down.
I think the things that are considered 'members doing something wrong' are rarely actually members doing something wrong. Things get magnified to an unreasonable extent. Members mentioning each other is never 'doing something wrong' if you think that in any capacity you don't fully realize the respect and love members have for each other. I see people (tkkrs) say that Jimin is showing that pic of him and Jk together is him not asking for consent from Jk... what flip? Those men (all members) know exactly what they can and cannot do regarding the others.
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Why do you think will/Byler seems to get more active, targeted hate/homophobia than Robin/Rockie (or ronance)?
theres a lot of reasons.
robin became an established queer character the season she was introduced, and she was never in a hetero relationship before. for byler, mike specifically, its different because they hate the idea of a character they love “suddenly” being revealed as queer. because they refuse to look into all the queercoding, all theyve ever known is mike as a straight character in a relationship with a girl so they would be pissed if they found out theyve actually been rooting for a queer character.
robin and vickie also arent main characters. they see them as the shows representation points and thats the only purpose they serve. mike, will, and el however are the main characters and we so so rarely see main characters in media thats not explicitly a queer story end up being queer. this just doesnt happen. and if it does happen, their sexuality and feelings are revealed in the first season, second at the latest. never the last. and they also never leave a long term hetero relationship for it. again, this goes for shows that ARENT considered a queer show. maybe youd see this in heartstopper but a scifi horror show about an evil alternate dimension??? this is so rare.
because of that, they think we’re absolutely ridiculous for believing it will happen. i think the aggression and homophobia also has to do with them subconsciously seeing the signs that we’re pointing out and theyre getting mad that mlvn isnt the perfect couple they say they are. and/or theyre seeing the massive numbers of byler shippers compared to mlvn shippers and thats enough to piss them off and worry them that mlvn isnt endgame.
the biggest thing i think tho is mike. they chose to show mike deeply struggle with internalized homophobia and people dont like that. they see him with a girl and think “SEE!!!! HE’S STRAIGHT!!” even tho their relationship is obviously unhappy for both of them. a lot of times internalized homophobia is represented with the audience aware of their true feelings. this is one of the first times ive seen it played out where we’re given clues, but not seeing mikes pov at all. they wont like that. they’ll feel tricked.
robin also hasnt been represented as repressed at all. she assumed steve wouldnt want to be her friend but other than that she is not ashamed, just careful because she needs to be. i think homophobes prefer this in media. when they see the ugly side of it they claim theyre focusing way too much on the gay shit.
also the fact that will is their second canon queer character. like i said, they see robin as just a tool for representation points so the fact that theres a second queer character completely unrelated or uninvolved with the first one makes them think “you already have robin why do you need another gay character!!” i think this would also be the case if will was canon first and then robin was introduced.
i also think the fact that theyre guys makes a difference too. i think with robin and vickie, even tho its well established that at least robin has feelings, they can play it off as some girly besties hanging out but with guys its so different. we saw max and el holding hands in s3 and no one thought that was weird but we probably wouldnt see lucas and dustin like that. so i really dont think theyll like it if/when byler kiss.
for ronance i think since theres zero chance of that actually happening and most people who ship them are well aware of this, they dont even bother with the hate. bylers already half canon tho so they feel like their precious hetero ship is threatened.
i could write a whole paper about this honestly. theres so much else.
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