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Round One Part Four - Match 30
I feel like we've had a lot of Agnes statements in the list recently... A conspiracy? Probably not. In the other corner, we have a surprising combination: the Eye and body horror that's not just eyes everywhere.
MAG 145 - Infectious Doubts | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript
Statement of Arthur Nolan regarding the life and death of Agnes Montague.
MAG 194 - Parting | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript
Considerations of observation. Recorded by The Archivist in Situ.
#the magnus archives#the magnus tournament#tma#mag 145#mag 145 infectious doubts#infectious doubts#arthur nolan#agnes montague#the desolation#desolation#mag 194#mag 194 parting#parting#the eye#eye#round one#round one part four
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Mag 194: Parting
#inktober#the magnus archives#mag 194#parting#tw body horror#tw eyes#tw growth#. . . . . . . . . ewww =v=#hope you enjoyed#ye!
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Meme for @a-mag-a-day Day 202
MAG 194 - Parting
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I bet on losing dogs
I know they're losing and I'll pay for my place
By the ring
Where I'll be looking in their eyes when they're down
I'll be there on their side
I'm losing by their side
MARTIN
Yeah, but if, if you're that connected, that dependent, what happens if we actually, y'know, do manage to—
ARCHIVIST
We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, I just need us to be moving on.
The price of a long due reckoning
Laid in blood when the battle has done
Old King Cole has paid the toll
Of the crimes levied upon his soul
The rebel blades have achieved their goal
Laid in blood when the battle has done
Pip: We're doomed
Flip: We're not.
Pip: Are you sure?
There's been so little time to share
We've always had our loads to bear
I won't forget
I won't leave you this time
This time
MARTIN
I refuse to accept that this—
ARCHIVIST
(Firm) Tough! The world doesn't care what you accept. It just... is!
It just is.
It's getting late, Little Moon. Finish the song. It's not that late. You are my moon, Little Moon, and it's late enough. So climb down out of the tree. Is it safe? Safe enough. Are you dead as well?
MARTIN
Yeah, yeah. Come on. We've got a job to do.
(“i bet on losing dogs” - mitski // “mag 181 - ignorance” // “laid in blood” - the mechanisms // “war of the foxes” - richard siken // “ragnarok v: end of the line” - the mechanisms // “mag 194 - parting” // “the worm king’s lullaby” - richard siken // “mag 181 - ignorance”)
#web weaving#web weave#doomed by the narrative#mitski#i bet on losing dogs#the magnus archives#tma#mag 181#the mechanisms#the mechs#once upon a time in space#ouatis#war of the foxes#richard siken#tbi#the bifrost incident#the worm king's lullaby#mag 194#landscaping your spider habitat
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(!Warning!- Slight hints at domestic abuse. Nothing that isn't in canon)
(Do not read if you do not want to see a critical analysis of Jmart. Some people don't want to see their comfort ship criticised and I respect that.)
Me on my first listen of magnus (aged 15): Omg omg there are gay people this is amazing. Wahoo Jmart!
Me on my second listen of magnus: Wow Martin is lowkey a bit of a secret gaslight gatekeep girloss. ICONIC. He and Jon are murder bfs :D
Me on my third listen of magnus: Hah. Martin really is kind of a bitch sometimes.
Me on my forth listen of magnus: God Martin can be so condescending wtf. I dont really ship Jmart anymore. And did he just hit Jon wtf ?!?!
Me after my 5th listen to now (Aged 18): Yikes. Martin has so many red flags oh god.
(Disclaimer: I do think these characters and their relationship are still well written and I do not dislike anyone for shipping them. However, I do think the fanon interpretation of their relationship removes how flawed Martin actually is and people don't hold him accountable nearly enough)
(Additionally this is all not to say that Jon is exempt from poor behaviour toward Martin. The way he treats Martin in s1 was dickish to say the least. However, unlike Martin this behaviour isn't perpetuated throughout the entirety of the podcast/ relationship, with Jon quickly coming to respect Martin at a similar level to himself.)
Martin Blackwood is not a kind person.
He never holds himself accountable for anything or so few times I literally don't remember them. In MAG 194- Parting, it is Jon that makes the decision to apologise to Martin. Additionally after Martin hits Jon earlier on he is never seen apologising for it, even after Jon's honestly heartbreaking line of "Thank you for not hitting me this time".
Martin also tends to get pissy at Jon for something he cannot help. Jon cannot help 'giving statements' in season 5 and yet everytime he does, Martin acts like it's some sort of attack on him. He is perfectly allowed to have the boundary of 'Don't do that around me'. However in instances where Jon accidentally does it around Martin, Martin responds with aggression, either lashing out and shouting at Jon or as previously mentioned, hitting him. These can be explained as maybe reasonable responses to high stress situations however Martin never apologises for them as discussed previously.
This also comes in the form of Martin antagonising Jon's well meaning suggestions. In S4, during the 'Gauge your eyes out' scene, Martin immediately shoots back, making it about him rather than the desperate attempts at salvation from a man who's been broken down to all hell.
There's a clear bitterness from Martin throughout. He clearly feels inferior to Jon and is trying to gain as much control over the situation as he can which often means doing all he can to control Jon.
And Martin is right at the end of S5 when he says it took 4 years of the shit they've been through to be compatible. However, what I think is more accurate is that it took 4 years of Jon being broken down and into a state of perpetual emotional vulnerability and loss of autonomy for him to be so alone that he reached out to Martin. And vice versa, Martin (being affected by the lonely and always having had an attraction to Jon) reaches out in return later in s5. Aside from that, they've not got much in common and although I do think that they at least get along as friends and colleagues, I can't really see them consistently bonding outside of the world of the fears.
Now I'd like to clarify that this isn't all to say that the way Martin acts isn't understandable, it is. Having to care for his mother for years has lead to him mothering Jon at times as well as his constant need to prioritise himself and defend himself in response to her abuse. He probably also has some left over resentment (understandably) from the way Jon used to treat him in s1. Along with a bunch of other stuff that explains his behaviour. But that doesn't mean that the way he acts sometimes isn't harmful.
Their relationship is more nuanced than I'm able to fit into a tumblr post. I might write an essay about it at some point. If there is anything i didn't mention it's either because it's been a while and I forgot, or I did not have space to fit it!
Anyways, what do you guys think about all this? TMA is one of those shows I've been a bit apprehensive to critically analyse due to the fandom but I found that Jmart is a lot more interesting than I initially thought.
(SUMMARY: Jmart is not as healthy of a relationship as the Fanon tends to show it. Martin has a lot of red flags and the two aren't all that compatible aside from their trauma)
#jmart#jonmartin#the magnus archives#magpod#magnus archives#tma podcast#critical analysis#gaytventhusing#any aggression towards me due to this post will not be tolerated
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A Primer/Refresher on Celia (and why the TMA listeners are freaking out)
Below the cut, I've written up a little synopsis of all Celia's appearances in The Magnus Archives, for those who are just joining during The Magnus Protocol and want a little background context. There will be HEAVY spoilers for TMA season 5, so if you don't know what happens as of episode 160 generally, and episodes 190-194 specifically, and want to remain unspoiled, steer clear.
After that, I will be discussing her appearances in TMAGP 06 and 07, so spoilers there as well.
Following the summaries, I have a few theories about the Celia we're seeing in Protocol, based on a few extrapolations from TMA Celia.
Celia's first appearance was in MAG 100 - You Had to Be There, where she was going by the name Lynne Hammond. She showed up to the Archives to give a statement about a flaming ghost that would visit her at night up until she moved apartments. The details were… lackluster, because she was giving the statement to Martin. Normally the Archivist's powers grant the statement-givers a better recollection for the event and some amount of verbosity, but Martin's no Archivist. She came to give her statement not because she was particularly perturbed, but because according to a friend, the Institute compensated people for their stories.* She left without having met John.
We next see her after the Eyepocalypse in MAG 190 - Scavengers, where she is a member of Georgie and Melanie's cult. She was rescued from a domain of terror by Georgie and Melanie, but not before the domain took her name, so she goes by Celia now.
Celia seems head-over-heels about G/M, very well attuned to their likes/dislikes, and is first to notice and alert them to the appearance of a tape recorder. She's eager to hear how G/M rescued John and Martin, but they put it off. Georgie and Melanie perpetuate the idea that John and Martin are prophets like them in front of another follower, Arun, but it's unclear whether Celia is present in that scene. I assume the info gets around.
In 191 - What We Lose, John and Martin talk about Celia and confirm that it seems like she doesn't recognize them. She never met John, so that makes sense, but she did give her statement to Martin, and he remembers her and her former name (and doesn't even tell her, rude).
In 194 - Parting, Celia is the one to alert John to the fact that Martin left with Annabelle, but we don't get much other characterization for her, and that's the last we hear of her in TMA.
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Now, in Protocol, we're meeting Celia again -as Celia-, not as Lynne Hammond. So far we can't know whether this is meant to be the same person as the one in TMA, but we do know they share the name and are both voiced by Lowri Ann Davies. In the two episodes we've had her, TMAGP Celia has said some suspicious things.
In TMAGP 06, we get this allusion:
Back in the cult, the reason Georgie was able to survive The Horrors unharmed was that she was biologically immune to fear. Now, there was nothing indicating she could grant that power to others, but this line could be a callback to that.
Failing that, we know that Lena's interview requires that the applicant has seen something terrible, that no one would ever believe, and Celia even remarks upon it to Sam and Alice. So even if this isn't TMA Celia, this is a Celia who has seen something.
In TMAGP 07 - Give and Take, she starts hunting around more directly.
"Buried alive or meat" seems pretty specific for someone who doesn't have reason to know about the Buried or the Flesh, but let's come back to that later.⸸
After "Chester" reads out the case, Celia is audibly shaken. Notably, it doesn't seem like the Too Close I Cannot Breathe aspect of the story bothered her (which might have made sense given the "buried alive" quote). It was the voice that read it.
This one throwaway line‡ really stuck out (as I'm sure it was intended to).
It COULD just be an easter egg for all the TMA girlies. But it could ALSO be...
Theories
-Is this Celia the same one from TMA?
I think there's an argument for "no", for two specific reasons. First, that Celia was not well versed in either fear cosmology or The Magnus Institute. Remember, going back to our first *, she'd only visited there originally because she thought she could sell her ghost story - the one she seemed utterly disinterested in. Post-change, she doesn't even seem to remember giving a statement - the appearance of a tape recorder doesn't trigger a memory of the Institute, nor does she recognize Martin.
Second, we have this exchange:
Post-change, Celia hung on the words of Georgie and Melanie. They named the Archivist as a prophet, a nightmare strider like them, and shortly after he left the cult, the Eyepocalypse ended. Even if she didn't believe he was the reason it ended, "unimportant" doesn't strike me as the go-to adjective, even if she's lying to Alice.
-Then who is this Celia?
⸸ This Celia is someone who may be familiar with Smirke's 14 fears categorization.
‡This Celia may have direct, remembered experience with the Magnus Institute's filing system (which TMA Celia did not seem to have).
I think this Celia has worked with an organization dealing with the supernatural - possibly the Magnus Institute itself - before.
Wild Stretching - One Possibility
Let's make a bunch of assumptions. We know there's a multiverse situation and that people can be pulled from one continuity to another without obvious cause (see the case of Anya Villette in MAG 114: Cracked Foundation). Might it be that Celia came from not the TMAGP continuity, nor the TMA continuity, but one we haven't seen? One where John was unimportant, just another researcher? If she's hung up on "being buried alive or meat or whatever", maybe she was an aide of Gertrude's and witness to The Last Feast. I'm connecting too many dots there, but it's for illustrative purposes rather than a firm belief.
I think this Celia has been displaced from a continuity where she had more than just hapless-bystander-level involvement with the supernatural, and I'm willing to bet there is a reason she's not using the name Lynne Hammond.
#long post#feel free to skip to Theories if you're otherwise caught up#celia tmagp#celia ripley#Lynne Hammond#tma#the magnus archives#tma spoilers#tmagp#the magnus protocol#tmagp spoilers#tmagp theory#tmagp celia#magpod
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No
No?
No. I forbid it
MAG 194 Parting
Thank you, Martin, my love. I also forbid that
Stupid arrogant. Yeah
Jon, stop. Please
#the magnus archives#jonathan sims#jon sims#martin blackwood#Jay listens to podcasts and demonstrates zero comprehension of what they hears#Jay and tma
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Favourite Episode Masterlist
#tma#the magnus archives#tma poll#podcasts#tma season 5#tma season five#tma 191#tma 192#tma 193#tma 194#tma 195#tma 196#tma 197#tma 198#tma 199#tma 200
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MAG 194 - Parting
doodle 194/200; days left - 18/110 0/128
POV you and the eye growing in your shoulder check out local apocalypse hotties
#tma#the magnus archives#tma 194#mag 194#couldn't draw the jmart row ú__u#tma s5#just a quick one so i can move onnnn : )))#oof
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MAG 14 is about "Statement of Lee Rentoul, on the murder of his associate Paul Noriega."
The one where the guy works in a gang and gets this old lady to curse the guy who snitched on his gang but then he interfers with the curse and now is losing a bunch of body parts.
MAG 194 is about "Considerations of observation. Recorded by The Archivist in Situ."
In the main statement a man is relieved that a dead old man implied to be his father is dead and remembers how he used to sit at a chair in the house. Then a body starts crawling out of the man and sits in the chair where the dead old man was. Also, post statement Jon goes to apologize to Martin only to realize he's gone with Annabelle Caine.
#jonah magnus#melanie king#tim stoker#sasha james#tma#magnus archives#the magnus archives#basira hussain#daisy tonner#martin blackwood
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Redemption Round One - Match Four
I did genuinely think The Smell of Blood would do better, given that it's a Melanie statement. I also voted Parting in Round One. The Smell of Blood had 89 votes and Parting had 57 votes.
MAG 076 - The Smell of Blood | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript
Statement of Melanie King, regarding her further research into war ghosts. Statement recorded direct from subject.
MAG 194 - Parting | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript
Considerations of observation. Recorded by The Archivist in Situ.
#magnus archives#the magnus tournament#tma#mag 076#mag 76#mag 076 the smell of blood#mag 76 the smell of blood#the smell of blood#melanie king#the slaughter#slaughter#mag 194#mag 194 parting#parting#the eye#eye#redemption round one
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mag 194 - parting
thing is morally, i think jon taking position as the center of the eye is the best choice, but also - that's not what this is all about, is it? at least not fully. it's the eternal question of intent vs. outcome, and which should be valued heigher when weighing the ethics of an action. i don't necessarily think jon is power-hungry, at least not in a way comparable to anybody else in the show, but i do think he has a need to be some type of martyr. he feels so much guilt and such a heavy sense of responsibility and the only way he thinks he can alleviate himself from that is by somehow trying to fix the entire world. as some sort of self-punishment he removes himself from his own humanity, but ironically, he intends to do this by esentially making himself god of that world and making decisions about other people's morality with ultimate power
martin has always been a sort of tether to his humanity. regardless of the likelihood of there truly being no alternative, regardless of that fact that, yeah, they can't really dismiss this, it's important for jon's own humanity that he doesn't jump straight into it. and despite their argument, martin and their promise is what prevents him from doing that. i'm not sure if i agree with the assessment that love is what makes us human, but it sure as hell helps jon in trying to stay in connection with humanity
his conversation with melanie is also pretty interesting because that's sort of what she's doing here, too. it's a pretty unexpected role for her, but by telling him to snap out his obsession with his newfound powers she is dragging him back to his humanity somewhat. their dynamic this season is overall interesting because, despite jon getting god-like powers, in severing her connection with the eye melanie has prevented him from having any power over her, and for the first time since their first couple of meetings their on equal standing, and have thus returned to a far more similar dynamic to back then. i like that, as someone who is explicitly stated to be very similar to him, she manages to make him actually use that head of his
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MAG 194, Parting
I love Melanie so much in this episode.
Annabelle, please don't fill Martin up with spiders.* Spiders are lovely, but they belong on the outsides of people.
@a-mag-a-day
*Autocorrect kept trying to put "sliders" here. Martin might actually enjoy some sliders after his prolonged diet of horror and canned beans, so....
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MAG #194: Parting
👏delete👏your👏tinder👏account👏
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Right... right. MAG 192-194 thoughts. fuck.
Ok, so MAG 192-193 kinda felt like one bigger episode together, so I’m gonna lump them together. Starting off: 193 was really cool with how they set up the sound and the reveal in 194 about the difference in power levels between Jon and Elias in the ascendant Panopticon. Like, we are told in the Jonah room that nothing can really interrupt Jonah’s connection with the Eye as he is the focal point of the apocalypse all the terror is siphoned through and into the Eye. However, less than 5 minutes later we have Jon “taking a Statement” about Elias where Jonah is forced to participate in the Statement instead of Watching the apocalypse. So that was really cool, and actually even more cool for this being the first “collaborative” Statement we’ve ever had? Like, I think this is the first (and probably only) time in TMA that more than one person has participated in a Statement.
Also, I guess, to address Rosie: about all I can say is oof. No one deserves what happens to them in TMA, but Rosie definitely ended up pulling a “Jon” in that she was too close to Beholding and fed it it she could no longer escape even if she wanted. Not quite as literally as Jon, but she’s practically a Revenant or a Vampire’s slave at this point. She has thoughts of her own, but she exists only to serve the Pupil of the Eye at this point. Or just “Elias”? I don’t know if we ever get an answer about what happens to her during the events of MAG 200 from what little I’ve heard about the episode, but I’m definitely curious to find out. (And isn’t that the problem? Wanting to Know but never interfere, no matter how terrible it ends up being. And 100% that’s how Jon was Jonah’s perfect Archivist, because Jonah’s Archivist for Marking needed to fight the Watcher’s implicit tendency to Watch but never interfere just enough to get himself into situations where the other Powers had access to him, but not enough to try to escape the supernatural in any serious capacity. fuck, getting this “on paper” made it actually click holy shit.)
One last note about 193: I know the Statement is OG!Elias’s, but why do I have a very strong suspicion that Jon’s interview went very similarly to Elias’s, and that’s why Jonah/Elias played a part in the Statement recital? What are the odds that Jon pulled something similar in both the “What are you afraid of” and “Why are you here” sections of the interview? Even worse: do you think Jonah managed to give Jon a minor panic attack in his interview as well? Things to think about I guess.
And finally, 194: #1) that was rough. They needed that argument don’t get me wrong, because Jon still can’t actually communicate but he also still struggles with falling to his monstrous tendencies; and Martin is still trying to keep Jon on the straight and narrow. I will say, I thought the “sending all of humanity to it’s ultimate demise faster“ plan had been synthesized with this revelation about being able to control the apocalypse. I thought Jon had told Martin about this plan before the evil spider plan. He still might, and probably will, and it shouldn’t still surprise me that Jon is still incapable of making good plans, but this definitely recontextualizes some of the time travel fix it fics I’ve read in the last several months. (How on earth have I only been in this fandom for upwards of 4 months? It feels like years and my bookmarked fics hit over 120 recently.)
#2) It’s very amusing to me the Eye tries to communicate through Statements. It makes sense that a sapient fear god communicates through other’s trauma, and opens the floodgates to questions like: if the Stranger created it’s own version of Magnus’s apocalypse, how would it communicate with it’s designated linchpin? The Hunt? The Dark? ect.
#3) Ok Martin, I get it. Your BF is impossible and the spider lady who you seem to hate way more now than you used to has a plan, and by God you need literally anything all to convince your BF to not metaphysically kill himself in a bid to move the suffering around to people who “deserve” it. Because you don’t trust that he’ll come back from “thinking” without trying to convince you again that it’s a good idea.
It fucking kills me how terrible these two are at trusting each other. I know at the start of the season I was bemoaning their unhealthy dynamic, got excited mid-season that things were turning and they were making baby steps towards maybe being healthier towards each other.... But nooooooooo.
I think what gets me most though, is that all these problems are normally fine in long form slow burn relationship portrayals. Like, even in a healthy relationship these kinds of pressures would be sure to cause some strife. But we never get to see them have a functional relationship. The 3 weeks in the cabin we can presume they at best “honeymooned” at, was all off screen. We went from them having a moment to reconnect for the first time in months - over a year, to them sounding relatively happy together before Jon accidentally kicks off the apocalypse. I mean, we get snippets of Martin trying to help Jon cope in the cabin, but the moment they’re on their first domain they’re falling apart at the seams with little moments sprinkled throughout that almost feel forced because there’s just... no background to it? augh, I’m so terrible with words, but does any of this make sense?
In any case, I feel for both Jon and Martin in this, but due to my particular leanings towards Jon as Blorbo of my Show; I’m probably going to be more sympathetic to him even if Martin is generally speaking, the better person in every conceivable way possible.
#tma#the magnus archives liveblog#the magnus archives#jonathan sims#martin blackwood#mag 192#mag 193#mag 194#jon sims#martin#getting back on my jmart discourse again
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Date: May 7th, 2023
Episode of the day: MAG 194 Parting
"ARCHIVIST: Tough! The world doesn’t care what you accept. It just… is!
It just is."
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