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punkeropercyjackson · 1 month

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"Well it's not like you can just TELL the non-Water Tribe characters are poc too,you'd have to pay extra attention!"Aang is a buddhist monk,Ty Lee is named Ty Lee and Zuko literally has monolids

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kibutsulove · 1 month

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// Blood tw // — Azulon and Hama fanart

last year I abstained,

this year I devour.

#ATLA #Azulon #Hama atla #avatar the last airbender #FINALLY finished the drawing that was decided by the poll #Ik it said ship deck setting but like. shhhhhhh. it’s implied guys shhhh #I wish I drew Hama better. sigh.#I’m sorry queen #let them beat each other with hammers PLEASE #once again spreading my ‘Azulon was the most violent fire lord’ agenda #this took way too long #32 hours in total. ERHH…#finally fulfilling my part of the contract of being an artist #blood cw #blood tw

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karlyuchka · 1 month

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ATLA isn't that great at showing the reality of war and you are ready for this conversation.

You can call me biased for this post, but whatever. I've been silent for too long.

It's certainly better than a lot of other shows, but fans often overestimate how good it actually is. It's excellent at showing more simple things like people getting hurt and traumatized because of war, but when it gets to more complicated things it's not that good.

In the show we got two people opposing to the fire nation. TWO. (Technically more because Jet wasn't alone, but you get what I'm saying). And they're BOTH antagonists. It's great to show that anger can blind you, but couldn't they make at least one character who wasn't somehow affiliated with Gaang who was against Fire nation and was in positive light? It kinda sucks. Also it doesn't make sense that Hama could actually attack military men and she just didn't. Why? She could attack civilians AND military and it could have been much better.

Then we get an entire arc to show that fire citizens aren't that bad, they're also people and they're also victims, blah, blah, blah... And the idea isn't entirely bad, but it was shown like they're just all innocent and can't affect what's happening in their kingdom? If the show authors wanted to show something positive about Fire citizens wouldn't it be better to show that there are some opposition to Fire Lord or something? But no, we get episodes about how the citizens are prohibited to show their true selfs because they can't breakdance and we get propaganda mentioned a little. Obviously it's a kids show and demanding to show 100% how war works is dumb, obviously the writers have to tone it down a little, but it still kinda sucked. This is actually why it's my least favourite season. Like, it looked like literally no one in Fire nation was against war? The opposition wasn't mentioned even in the comics? HUNDRED YEARS war and Fire citizens didn't even try to do anything? This fire school arc just made me despise Fire nation more because it looks like they just don't give a damn. (Don't start on "they're being brainwashed by propaganda". If propaganda is enough to convince you that killing is good than you were never good in the first place).

Jet was portraied extremely weird in Ba Ding Se too. Like... Fire nation is occupying Earth nation, killing and abusing civilians. Jet sees two fire benders in the most secured city. One of them was a war general who actually had this exact city under six hundred days siege. OBVIOUSLY he would try to arrest them. Who wouldn't? Who knows what they're doing there? Why would he believe that they don't want to do anything malicious? But show portraits it like some sort of obsession. Like he was crazy and in the wrong, like "they're not hurting anybody and he's nagging them and wants them arrested for no reason". Jet was being completely logical.

At the end of the show Iroh keeps his tea shop in Ba Sing Se??? What??? The same city he had under siege? And he names it "Jasmine dragon". DRAGON. The literal symbol of Fire nation. HUNDRED YEAR war just ended, I refuse to believe that citizens were completely fine with it.

And in "Legend of Korra" we find out that Fire nation still has an army? It got much smaller, but still it was pretty powerful? After hunder year war? How? WHY?

It's also extremely weird that in LOK they explored goddamn ANARCHISM, but not how Fire nation is treated after the war? It looked like nobody even remembers it. It was mentioned like three times in the series.

Also I read the comics and the creation of Republic city was weird af. Kuvira was terrible, but she was right at one thing: Republic city belongs to Earth kingdom. There was a lot of resistance. In comics this colony was still full of Earth civilians and culture. It wasn't completely mixed. And the argument to not returning the colony to Earth kingdom was literally "we've been colonizing this territory for so long that it can't be yours anymore" wich is dumb. It becomes even dumber when you remember it wasn't the only colony like that. It was mentioned that it was ONE OF THE OLDEST colonies. Which means there were colonies where fire culture was even more integrated. Then why weren't those colonies also turned into "something completely new"? And the resistance stopping resisting was really weird. They were extremely enthusiastic and determined and then just stopped because the Avatar came and told them "protect people, not borders"???

In conclusion: "Avatar" has a lot of flaws which are caused by "love everyone" mindset, wich isn't bad at it's core, but sometimes you gotta hate. And some flaws are caused by writers' inability to understand war and what comes after. The series are amazing, and comics too, but people tend too overlook a lot of mistakes.

Thanks for reading

(no one's reading allat💀)

Also if you disagree, it's completely fine, just know that I will not argue about it. It's my opinion that I thought about for a very long time and I will not change it.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #the legend of korra #war #rant #essay #probably #Ukrainian rage in this one is really strong #I'm sorry #I love atla #uncle iroh #republic city #atla rant #jet atla #fire nation #hama atla

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rootbeerwarriors · 27 days

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rewatching atla and i am a hama apologist at my core

#when she kidnapped all those fire nation citizens for her brothers and sisters #but literally left them to die when she escaped #slay queen #art #my art #digital art #atla #avatar the last airbender #avatar fanart #hama atla #aang #atla aang #aang fanart #atla fanart

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balanceoflightanddark · 4 months

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For @prying-pandora666 's experiment on YouTube. This is the control group.

#katara #katara atla #pakku #master pakku #hama atla #hama #iroh #uncle iroh #avatar the last airbender #atla #atla polls #social experiment

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azal-lea · 6 months

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katara's power is so well tuned and considering her power to be the 'calmest' of all the four powers and yet she is the strongest amongst them and we along with Zuko witness just how POWERFUL she is. Her vengeance fueled with her immense control in waterbending is seen when she blood bent the replacement of her mother's killer and turned the rain into icicle shards.

Even when she goes against Hama who has learnt to bloodbend during her time in captivity Katara manages to hold her stance against her, and instead of diverting the water she blocks it which she learns in Toph earthbending and then incorporating it in waterbending.

Conclusion: katara is absolutely a power of force to not be reckoned with and she is epic

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yxngchen · 5 months

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hama is one of the most tragic characters of the whole show. ik ultimately what she did was wrong but her story is just sad

#iduna.txt #like yeah she kinda had to be imprisoned after bloodbending everybody but it still made me so sad to see them put the chains back on her #her life could have turned out so different if it wasn’t for the fire nation #one of the few characters who doesn’t get redemption or a happy ending #there was absolutely nothing positive to be learned from her or that she got to experience herself.#her whole life was just sad. and her effect on the gaang was just negative. nobody wins everybody’s upset:/ the end #atla #hama atla

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chuplayswithfire · 1 year

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recently rewatched the puppetmaster episode of atla with the gang and lemme remind everyone that Hama Did Nothing** Wrong. Ignore the comics and exist with me in the world where Hama is extradited to the Southern Water Tribe and gets free due to time served.

the Fire Nation gets to die mad about it.

#atla #hama atla

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felucians · 1 year

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Hama defender til I die.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #hama #hama atla #southern water tribe #indigenous

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officialthelonelycandaian · 1 month

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Re watching Avatar and realizing that

Hama just left The rest of the water benders.

She had an opportunity to free them, and she chose to leave them there and Honestly, that's the worst thing she's done, and that's what makes her unredeemable.

She is preaching about justice And duty to the community But she abandoned her siblings, her community. She doesn't care about Justice.

#hama atla #atla #avatar: tla #avatar the last airbender

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rubydart · 5 months

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This song put a spell over me.

Animatic for Hama of the Water Tribe, Bloodbender, after she frees herself from the Fire Nation prison.

Music by Jorge Rivera-Herrans - Get in the Water, from EPIC the Musical, song cover by Morgan Clae [Video Description: Get in the water: Hama faces a Fire Nation soldier at the beach under the light of a full moon. Face tired, almost impassive, she tells him to get in the water. Tides so high: She reaches her hand up to the moonlit sky and the waves of the sea around her start to roil. Her actions in time with the music, she threatens and bloodbends the soldier to step closer to the sea. He shouts no, and Hama sends a wall of water up around them. Hama forces him to kneel and sends the water over the soldier, and the final shots are from his POV as the water rises and covers his vision. ]

#bloodbending #atla #avatar the last airbender #the puppetmaster #atla hama #Get in the Water #epic the musical #Animatic #Morgan Clae

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punkeropercyjackson · 2 months

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Re my last post:'Aang and Katara shouldn't have had to kill Ozai and Yon Rha' wasn't 'Everyone deserves to live uwu',it was 'Aang and Katara are fucking children who are under no obligation to kill for vengeance'.It was never about Ozai and Yon Rha you buncha numbnuts,it was always,ALWAYS about how Aang and Katara's feelings and mental health should come first and finishing O and YR off should've relied on the shoulders of adults,not a 14 year old girl and an entire 12 year old.Personally i gladly would've killed them in their name if i was an Atla character but then y'all niggas would call me a terrorist like you do Jet and Hama,don't even lie-I've read how you(Zutara shippers)write them

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comradekatara · 3 months

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katara’s role as the show’s narrator is so underrated because no one really seems to understand just how deeply katara is impacted by the nature of stories, with regards to their craft, their promulgation, and their cultural significance, so they don’t truly register the sheer metatextual brilliance of having her be the resident storyteller of the narrative itself.

the first thing atla establishes about katara is that she is someone who is fueled by dreams and fantasies, and believes in a return to a world where “all four nations lived together in harmony” (which is obviously an illusory ideal, as there was always geopolitical strife even if it wasn’t as overt as the devastating imperialist project they are now subject to), described to her by kanna’s stories about the old days.

katara is someone who indulges in fantasies of adventure and heroism, projecting these ideals onto both herself and others. she is an idealist in the truest, purest sense of the word, and what is an idealist if not someone who tells themselves stories about a more beautiful world to survive?

it’s no coincidence that the episode where katara successfully scares everyone with a very compellingly narrated campfire story is the same episode that she must contend with her heritage, the ominous lacunae in her stories, the pitfalls of her own naive idealization. it’s also not a coincidence that the story she tells was first told to her by her mother.

katara grew up hearing stories passed down to her from kanna and kya, and those stories gave her hope and brought her the possibility of happiness in a bleak, cruel world where she was ultimately alone. there used to be people like her, said the stories, and they were brave, and they fought til their final breaths to hold onto their culture, their love for their people, their humanity.

well that’s who i’m going to be, says katara. someone who fights, someone who cannot be knocked down (because there is no one else left to take her place), someone who will never cease to have faith in the capacity of others for good, for truth, and for justice.

stories are her heritage, they are her culture, they are how she defines herself and how she understands the world around her. stories are how she copes, how she survives; they are all she has left to cling to. and sometimes they are reductive, and sometimes they are outright false, but that’s okay too. she grows, she adjusts her narratives, she learns to leave room for more grey in her neat tapestries of black and white. stories can define a tragic past, but they can also pave the way for a better future. she keeps telling stories.

#i could sunlit garden this girl so easy (probably what hama was thinking)#katara #analysis #kanna&katara #katara&kya #hama&katara #this is also what makes the southern raiders so brilliant as the apotheosis of her arc #but that’s for another post #(one that I’ve probably made before lbr)#everyone in atla has a sunlit garden / mythmaking event / whatever you wanna call it #but katara is the QUEEN of narrativization #and you do not get katara at ALL until you get this #fyi.#anyway i love her so much that i nearly teared up writing this. it’s whatever tho

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mugentakeda · 20 days

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we were girls together

#who is this pakku you speak of. Never heard of him #hama #kanna #What is their ship name. i dont know #atla #avatar the last airbender #alicias art

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muffinlance · 3 months

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Wait, what’s going on with Embers???? That fic has been on my read later list since 2021, what’s happened with it???

Brief overview, then I'm likely never touching this topic again, because this is not a Drama Blog:

Context: Embers is a super old AtLA fic that was written during the early fandom days, read widely at the time, and was the origin of the widely-used fanon name of "Wani" for Zuko's ship (kind of by default that it was one of the first popular fics to give his ship a name, I think?), even though most fic writers don't seem to realize it's from there anymore.

"What's Going On": I used to include a link in all my stories to it, because I believe in crediting other writers for borrowed elements, and I was using "Wani" in all my fics. But BOY did I not want to be sending readers that way anymore, so I've adopted a new name for Zuko's ship, and removed all Embers links.

None of the criticisms about Embers itself are new; I'm assuming they date back to when the fic was being written, because this isn't an "it aged badly" thing, this is an "actually yeah this gets worse the longer you think about it and I shouldn't have ignored my bad feelings just because some of the worldbuilding was interesting" thing.

An Incomplete List of Why I Made the Change:

I don't actually like the story that much anymore, and don't want to rec it

I tried to re-read it recently to see if some things were as bad as I remembered and it turns out they were So Much Worse Oh Yikes. More specifically, the treatment of Katara and Aang and their respective cultures has... rather a lot going on. One example: The Fire Nation and Air Nomads are both given multiple backstory elements in an attempt to make the average Fire Nation soldier's participation in the genocide/war in large part the fault of the Avatar and the Air Nomads themselves, and also fully justified from the Fire Nation perspective. And I do mean fully. One of its core tenants is "People from the Fire Nation (and only people from the Fire Nation) who don't follow orders Literally Die, therefore murdering pacifists and babies and continuing the war (and their regularly scheduled war crimes) is the only thing it is physically possible for them to do". I cannot emphasize enough how literal that is.

Also the name "Wani" means "Alligator" and is... objectively a pretty lame name for Zuko's ship? Where's the personality, where's the deeper meaning, where's the resonance with Zuko's themes? @tuktukpodfics initially thought I was calling the ship "Wanyi", and that's what I've switched to, because it is Objectively So Much Better. In their words: “Wànyī (萬一): Literally ‘one in ten thousand,’ ‘perchance.’ Used grammatically in Chinese to mean ‘what if’ or ‘just in case.’ I think a ship called ‘The Perchance’ is perfect for a boy clinging to false hope.”

TL:DR; I don't rec Embers anymore, because I don't actually like the story anymore, and there are things about it that get worse the more I think on them. I've removed links to it and renamed Zuko's ship to "Wanyi" ("The Perchance") because our boy deserves a ship name that reflects his character arc.

#for the record if you ever find something kind of rancid in my fics #do please let me know #EX: I've rewritten scenes to be better Actual Blind Rep for Toph based on blind reader feedback #and I'm debating how hard it would be to ignore/re-write the canon issues of Water Tribe sexism (for the Southern Tribe at the least)#because that is a common complaint I see from the people who's RL cultures the Water Tribes was based on #probably I can do more interesting things with that going forward #in other words justice for Hama and Hahn #at least the show itself made Hama excellently complex #anyways back to doing actual writing #please no follow up questions #though I will say anyone who wants to update their own fics to use Wanyi (or any other name): go for it!#all you need to do is plop your chapters in a word editor and find/replace the ship name! it took about 40 minutes to do literally #all of my fics and I had some other editing to do besides! it'll be even quicker for you!#let's sink the Wani #avatar the last airbender #atla #Zuko

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theweeklydiscourse · 2 months

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Some Atla fans are deeply unwilling to engage with the fact that their beloved series may bear the marks of being written by two white men in the early 2000s. They can’t conceive that the show might’ve been anything less than perfect and that there are certain problematic elements within it that are consistently overlooked by the fandom at large.

#hence why discussing Hama is an excercise in futility #They refuse to hear it they refuse to hear that Hama was unfairly vilified by the narrative (a pattern that pervades through the subsequent #episodes as well)#Maybe I’m just a hater but sometimes I can’t believe how much faith fans have in the politics of Bryke and idolize them as the perfect #storytellers #avatar the last airbender #atla #atla netflix #avatar live action #anti bryke #atla critical #atla discourse #fandom

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