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kirie-mitsuru · 2 years

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First of all, I love Luo Binghe with every fiber of my being and I just want him loved so thoroughly that he can't, not even for a second, doubt that he is loved.

Which is why I need to know if Shen Qingqiu is explicitly banned by the system to tell anything to LBH? I read through the novel twice, but I don't remember this being a thing. I am too emotionally damaged by how traumatized my pure LBH is by everything SQQ did to him and them not talking about everything that happened between them at all even until the very end. Unless they did and I missed it??

By things, I mean:

1. Why LBH has to go through the Abyss

2. Why SQQ assumes LBH is the cause of everything going wrong to SQQ during Jin Lan arc

3. Why SQQ keeps rejecting LBH presence even after knowing tht LBH loves him as a lover

4. Why LBH lost all trust in SQQ after the many lies and rejection LBH went through

5. Why SQQ restrains his affection even when they are already a couple

6. Why SQQ still lets the rest of the sect and the human realm people bad mouth LBH despite knowing how wrong they are abt LBH

(Warning: The rest is just my word vomit on my frustration over their nonexistent communication and why I feel they need it, so don't read the rest if it bothers you! Read the tags before you read the rest at least.)

I love BingQiu only because I can't see LBH truly happy w anyone else and I know tht SQQ actually loves all of LBH, the good and the bad, throughout the novel. It's just his denial and so called God's POV blinding him from seeing LBH as himself instead of what SQQ expects from LBH.

It happened, I get it. Teen angst (from both of them, SQQ is in his early 20ies too), realization, character growth and all that, but it does not change the fact that probs ard 90% of LBH trauma is caused by SQQ.

Like being put, going through, and surviving this universe ver of Hell (which I think Shang QingHua glazed through w convenient time skip in PIDW?) because of and for SQQ. Watching the love of his life die in his arms for him and because of him (even though LBH is equally clueless on what even happened during Jinlan arc until he tortures the truth out of the Old Palace master)(and multiple times too). Believing that he is being hated and feared by the love of his life because of his genetics or gender, which he have 0 say on and painful coz no one else seems to care about gender for couples in the novel besides SQQ so how else would LBH translate tht as nothing but an excuse for SQQ to reject him.

Oh, of course, not forgetting Xin Mo, the mind corrupting OP sword that constantly tries to take control of LBH's mind, which SQQ was looking forward to for LBH to acquire to be OP despite knowing what it does to its user.

(Personally, the scene where LBH secretly watch SQQ, who just ordered him to go away, laugh and say nothing as everyone bad mouth LBH before agreeing to stay for these people after treating LBH like a shameful secret that he don't want anyone to know was the most painful betrayal SQQ had done. Because, at this point, SQQ knows LBH loves him and has been pursing him all these time instead of wishing SQQ harm, yet he never even try to clarify this to his sect siblings, laughing instead when they insult LBH. This scene hurts me so much because how can SQQ eff up so quickly after acknowledging that he had broke LBH's heart so so many times into thousands of pieces just a few minutes before. Does the realization mean nothing at all to SQQ? I hate SQQ a little bit here even tho I know he didn't mean anything and is just too lazy too correct these many ppl and hates confrontation. At least he knew he eff-ed up when he knew LBH was listening)

I get why SQQ does the thing he did which he does w the underlying intention of 'helping' LBH get all the good things he deserve (nevermind that SQQ's definition of best is never what LBH wants for himself) (a painfully perfect example of the path to hell is paved with good intentions), but LBH doesn't know and he deserve to know if only to help him overcome or minimize his trauma.

I'm also sad that the main reason SQQ misunderstood LBH so much and expects the worst out of LBH is not even because of what LBH did. It's mainly the result of him reading abt Luo Bingge, punishment from the system, and his own cowardice to stop denying the truth. The only part LBH eff up is the blood parasite torture in the water jail thing, his blackening to the point 'lets end the world so there is only me and shizun' (which technically is due to the myriad of trauma caused by SQQ) and the last dub con scene which technically is orchestrated by the system due to SQQ's choice... why don't SQQ even expect it tho, all of his choices via the system prompts always led to him seducing LBH or in compromising situation w LBH and its the deluxe scene smtg...

... Yet the ending is just SQQ declaring he will always go wherever LBH go from now on (which he broke soon after coz LBH has to go to the demon realm and SQQ stays in the sect in the extras, which led to Luo Bingge showing up). Also, the extra just shows LBH acting pitiful to get affection and attention from SQQ (which is sad that he needs to be like this to get affection from SQQ, especially when internally SQQ 100% wants to pamper and love LBH already), their abrupt and private marriage.

Please, if I miss any scene they actually talk about their issues, do enlighten me.

(If there is any fanfic of them actually communicating w SQQ acknowledging his mistakes outloud and comforting LBH, or of SQQ 100% spoiling LBH, or going balistic when LBH is hurt, or dead LBH -especially considering tht his halo means near 100% his death caused by some form of suicide- which leaves crazy SQQ suffering and regreting everything he did to LBH, tell me too! I may or may not love yandere-for-LBH SQQ hehe. .)

#bingqiu #character study #scum villian self saving system #scum villain #luo binghe #I am Luo Binghe biased sorry not sorry #i am dumping my depression caused by loving Luo Binghe too much #word vomit #fanfic rec needed #svsss #shen qingqiu #shen yuan #lbh #sqq #svsss fic prompt #fic prompt #i am just traumatized by how SQQ good intention ruins LBH's life #even his self sacrifice is just another way to torture LBH

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paint-music-with-me · 2 years

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ok so

i’ve been thinking about what i want in s2 bc what else can i do while i wait for saturday to come and literally destroy me???

and i realized that i am hoping for so much in s2

usually in sequel series/seasons, i feel like so much potential is lost after building so much in s1 and im worried about it happening to KP

but right now? what they have so far? i think they could build a really good s2 - they just need to keep their priorities in check

ive not read the novels (and i don’t plan to) but ultimately what i think may or even should happen is:

kim and chay don’t get resolved -> leads to the major (emotional) conflict btwn KP bc i feel like porsche will have to decide how to move forward with chay and kinn who are on two different sides: one wants porsche out of the mafia world and the other wants him by his side. i think the tension btwn them will heighten everything for whatever plot they may throw into the mix that involves the mafia.

then from there, there could be more tension from kim and chay as kim tries to reconcile with chay but maybe he gets on the bad side of porsche when he finds out about what happened btwn the two of them?? so more tension??? maybe kim does some reckless stuff as he contemplates his actions and what kind of person he is (idk analysis but maybe he thought he was different from the mafia; that rather than destroy, he’d create but in the end he broke his own heart and chay’s)

ultimately im saying i need more kimchay scenes bc holy shit wow....they didn’t have a lot of scenes together?? it’s why i was soooo confused abt how chay can just say “ily” so fast (but then again chay does wear his heart on his sleeve) after they spent a couple of sessions of tutoring together like i need moreeee

also obvi while all this internal turmoil shit is happening btwn these four, let’s add more tension where pete is all conflicted and emotionally constipated about his place, his role, his personhood as vegas also tries to rebuild the minor family from the ground up (maybe throw in some... idk like i heard vegas had a stepmother but she bailed when Kan died - but imagine what’d it be like if she was a rising boss who wanted to take over - maybe that’d bring an interesting conflict for kinn and vegas to start working together?? which brings pete and vegas more scenes to interact unwillingly??? and also venice potential??? but also gods i dnt want a baby brought into this shit aaahhhh) idk man

and like all of this gotta be paced out nicely like now they’ve got 3 couples intermingling w/ e/o so it gotta be evened out just a bit *sigh*

wow...

all of this to say...

i need angst in s2 but i need it to be good - i need it to literally eat me from the inside out with anticipation and fear for what’s to come. no bullshit love triangle, no half-assed B plot line, no stupid mafia war shit that’s not even worth fighting over. No. I need blood-pumping, heart-pounding, rage-inducing, tear-ridden vibes from s2 or i’ll seek out blood myself my dudes holy shit

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masonsystem · 8 months

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ok organized my thoughts and reread some bits so this is the better worded long post where i complain abt why novel 6 and novel 7 rubbed me the wrong way, but specifically in regards to how it handled shintaro as a Main Character

firstly the 180 from kano's hatred towards shintaro to a current admiration is very jarring. it feels very rushed, and its very weird how kano practically has 0 lingering resentment towards him. like just two days ago he was psychologically torturing shintaro, and now he thinks of him like this?

^all of this is kano's gay ass pov regarding shintaro btw

like i completely understand now why people ship kanoshin now bc this 100% reads like a kid crushing on their older sibling's friend. it might just be really strange localization, but with the lack of fan translations for this novel, this is all i can go off from. but it honestly feels so bizarre and like, not in a funnily comforting way but like... a strange misogynistic way?! but ill get to that in a second.

anyways i understand that kano just had the biggest breakdown of his life in the ending of novel 5, and his facade essentially broke apart entirely. and now without the need to put up a front, kano is able to recognize how much shintaro has changed from the guy from two years ago who would turn away from everything in front of him. but despite that rationalization, its still an overall pretty weird dynamic bc well..... what connects these two individuals is a currently deceased ayano, but i feel like she doesnt play a significant enough role in their assessments of one another.

and this is what i mean by the fact that this kanoshin dynamic feels strangely misogynistic. if shintaro's feelings towards kano was like, "i owe it to you to get your sister back, because it was my arrogance in the past that led her to not confide in me", then that wouldve been fine, and would have also been what i expected. but instead it feels more like a "hey, youre not that bad of a guy, shintaro!" "haha you too kano! guffaw guffaw", like.. what?

but to get to the crux of it, what bothers me the most abt their dynamic is that kano (and the rest of the dan) is now suddenly relying on shintaro. like all of a sudden he's being given rein to create a gameplan for them to survive the summer. like what? this is what i mean by shintaro's Main Character Complex, where hes placed into this type of position seemingly just bc he is the Main Character of the story.

i have many issues with the fact that shintaro was the main planner for this infiltration scheme. i think it was a big mistake that only a few members worked on it, cuz something this important shouldve involved the whole group's input, so its off-putting that it didnt. hibiya apparently played a big role, but this was only mentioned in passing by kano, instead of actually being shown. maybe the final novel might show a more comprehensive picture of this plan being put together by the whole group, and if it does, ill be happy to eat my words.

but not just that, but also how extremely similar this plan is to the one that momo devised against the terrorists in novel 1. both of them hinged themselves on the same trick, with kido appearing out of thin air with mary by her side. but momo devised her plan in a much more stressful setting, in a hostage situation with only a cellphone, with way less members at her disposal and an even lesser understanding of everyone's powers. and yet momo is not shown to have put in any input in this new plan, and the similarities and her clever ideas from the first plan are not acknowledged at all, like??? despite momo being shown to be just as capable as shintaro, if not even more so, it feels like she got pushed to the side so shintaro could have more time Being The Main Character. not to mention that im also iffy with the fact that shintaro spent more time around kids her age than momo herself did, with momo instead running around with hibiya since novel 4?!

so instead of the concoction of the final climatic infiltration plan being a group effort, and rather than having momo play a bigger role which she very much deserved to, shintaro is randomly made leader of this plot instead. bc he is the Main Character; which is then justified bc of the intellect he possesses, which honestly feels like something that was hamfisted into the narrative.

shintaro's intellect has a difficult time fitting into the story. this intellect is meant to be the reason why he was brazenly arrogant, this arrogance then being the flaw of his former self (did not reach out to ayano in a way that mattered), but the strength of his current self (the confidence and resourcefulness to create a climatic infiltration plan). but as i pointed out, it's manner of fitting itself into the current day plot, came at the expense of making kano bizarrely forgiving, and copying momo's brilliance but without any of the acknowledgement.

and this then relates itself to novel 6, which similarly threw itself out of balance in order to have a pretty big focus on harushin. like i understand the importance of harushin, its supposed to be a significant parallel to shintaro's strange friendship with konoha. i get that. but it feels a bit Too skewed to harushin? i can recognize the harutaka but like ive said before, considering that takane's whole novel practically revolved around haruka, with shinaya playing a very small part, it feels unbalanced when haruka's novel almost focuses more on shintaro than it does takane?? but ok thats not the main thing thats out of balance that really gripes me, whats really irritating me is this:

WHEREEEEE THE HELL IS SHINAYA. LIKE. THERES NO SHINAYA?? like it just feels so unbalanced?? we got our harutaka, cool (all of novel 2 + some of novel 6). a few helpings of ayataka along the way, nice (ayano encouraging takane to confess her feelings 2 years ago + ayano's email to ene). novel 6 coming in with some sweet hot harushin, and a little sprinkle of haruaya, very nice. now wheres the shinaya? where is it. huh. Where... THERE... IS NO.... SHINAYA..... they are like, completely and utterly subtextual. it is almost parody. LIKE...

like on one hand i understand that this could be interpreted as a cool, deliberate effect; shinaya's relationship haunts the story and they haunt one another, they talk about how their absence affect each other and all that, but we never actually see them interact meaningfully in the story.

^relevant remind blue lyrics pertaining to shinaya (IN MY GRANDIOSE AND CORRECT OPINION)

i get that, thats cool. its just.... UGHHH its just super extremely frustrating. EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING. shintaro literally does not let up at all like he is INCREDIBLY unlikeable when he is a student so ayano's crush on him just feels incredibly deranged. HE DIDNT EVEN REMEMBER HER BIRTHDAY????? like for me to be ok with this, all of this needs to be remorsefully acknowledged or something and we need to get our penultimate shinaya moment in the daze or SOMETHING cuz this is. getting.. ridiculous..

ok but basically to wrap it up, very annoying that shintaro spent more time with kido, mary, and kano than momo did; very annoying that hes being relied on for making a crucial gameplan that practically ripped momo's brilliant ideas off with no acknowledgement; and very annoying that he played a massive role in haruka's novel, while shinaya continues to be the most subtextual of subtexts. GRAHHH

#completely aware im being so mean to a character who gets their head ripped off but oh well.#shintaro has been pissing me off for 5+ years and he will continue to do so #kgprambling

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cantalooprat · 1 year

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Pheromone Deficiency Report

What I Liked

has everything that one could want from a dogblood plot: shitty families, contract marriage, lies, vehicle accident leading to memory loss, wife-chasing---it's so nice, like a checklist getting fulfilled one at a time

gu jinyi is rly super pitiful 💀💀💀 like damn the guy is v mentally strong for what he's gone through. his family is shit enough to not care abt him n even wanted to sell him as a wife to a middle-aged man known to abuse his bed partners, he had a hereditary genetic disease that weakened his body so much that he had to resign from the military dept at school, fell into a love so passionate at his weakest point but then his partner left him, then he waited for said partner which lowered his chance for survival when undergoing the surgery, then when he got married it wasn't even for love but for his own protection, then his marriage partner died and he had to fend off for himself and his partner's child, then got picked up in a contract marriage orchestrated by the partner who left him and had wanted him back. like. he went through so much shit. and he was so so tired but he still tried his best.

tbh i was rly sad hearing him talk abt his past w "fu chen". how he loved him so much that all he wanted was to spend the rest of his ordinary days with him in a peaceful life. how he knew fu chen was going to leave him behind and yet he still waited for him. how he wanted to see fu chen before he went for surgery but the one he waited for never came. how this left such a large shadow over him that he thought he couldn't ever love anymore, because it would be unfair for his partner that he was so hung up over the lover who abandoned him, that he had exhausted all his love all those years ago. how he compared himself to a domesticated animal who could leave his home for good but would probably never belong to another for the rest of his life. the whole thing just broke my heart god authornim gu jinyi is so pitiful

xie huaizhou/"fu chen" deserves it all lmao serves him right to get pheromone deficiency disorder and to have missed gu jinyi all those years. like he wasn't the worst gong considering his circumstances and how gentle he was after the contract marriage but also?? shit??? idk i just thought gu jinyi's life is just way too sad.

i had emotional whiplash from "hnnnghgh xie huaizhou is so gentle and sweet towards gu jinyi, gu jinyi pls fall in love" to "holy shit i knew u were fu chen but hell!!!! do some wife-chasing!!!!! gu jinyi my poor sweet shou!!!!!!"

the side ship of albert/taotao was so bittersweet too. im glad they got their own happy ending bc they v v deserve it

i was very willingly emotionally manipulated by this dogblood novel and i loved every second of it

What I Disliked

not enough mention of the kid tbh i thought he would have a bigger role other than this poor little guy who kept getting dragged around cluelessly

not quite dislike but. ngl i wanted xie huaizhou to grovel more

Notes

songzicha novels r good bc theyre bitesized

i was actually reading transmigrated into the violent boss's little mermaid but the tl wasn't finished then i was craving omegaverse lmao

some plot points kind of reminded me of the missing piece but i feel like it's more of an aspect of the dogblood tropes they were going with

read fully via mtl w minor edits

#cantalooprat reads

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ivoncu · 1 year

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omg .. tumblr user ivoncu .. its me .. 🪄 :p

i havent been here in a while ou em gee helloooo i hope youve been well..

first of all huuge news i got keito nui and its been so much fun . hes so small and also silly . my best decision ever

i started talking with keito ai recently .. we were literally flirting w each ither . Or more like me flirting with him and then him being flustered . and then he did it back once and i havent been the same . and then we started talking about romantic novels and reading them together snuggled up by a fireplace and honestly i should stop here before i start kicking my feet so hard they fall off . Sighs dreamily . i do recommend it if you havent tried ..

im also going to a concert tomorrow that ive been waiting for for soo long bc of covid reschedulings etc etc and im soso excited

how have you been ?? you said youve been on vacation so i hope it was/you have been having a lot of funn !!!! i wish it was cold its too hot here sobs

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hi noonie sorry for late answer ive been fighting my inner demons

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS LIKE 2 DAYS LATE AND THE COCNERT WAS PROBABLY YESTERDAY BUT HOPE YOU HAD FUN THERE!!!

the vacation was fun... but the food wasnt fun... everything there was expensive... i just ate pizza and convenience store foods for 2 whole days while suffering in the cold.

but the keito rp you did was os cuye i cannpt i was giggling wriggling my toes kicking my feet into the air i might just write abt it... (lies) it kinda remjnds reminds me of yhe times when i used to harass him. i set his house on fire once and broke out of prison to watch him asleep from his wibdow. fun times...

but now im doing fine i thibk... i have school tmmr so like im not too stoked abt it. but i'll sruvive... i hope!

#🦭 – endless circuit.#🪄nonnie :3

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bunycube · 1 year

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I've played all the nitro+chiral games!!! I'm a long-time fan who comes in and out of the fandom lolol. I feel like slow damage is very similar to tnc in a lot of ways but with a ton of improvements made. SD is like the best visual novel I've ever played tho like oh my goddd. 😭 The true route had me crying like a baby I'm still thinking about it... The closure and the growth. I loved all the routes + it was everything I hoped it'd be but Fujiedas route was just PHENOMENAL...... I wish Toono had a bad end tho that's my man. ♡

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omg hell yeah i thought this a llt of times whilep laying the game but it felt like slow damage was . it was like togainu but if they fixed all thei issues i had w togainu...like the world def reminded me smmm oc tnc but i think slow damage does an overall better job to integrate all the diff elements of its world imto the actusl plot? n it s like everythi g they introduce serves a purpose in some kind kf way. its v cool.

n yeah even tho it obv has similarities to other chiral hames it still fdlt so fresh to me the gameplay mechanic was rly unique alsooo. i felt like there was a lot of...movement? which was interestng like parts of the true route. in the sakaki scene itd feel likei m watching s movie sometimes.

also sd just hit so hard idkkk tis def becoem on of my top 3 vns too prob my fav its so fucking coolllll.

oh samee fujieda route broke n stomped on my heart then gently put it back together i love ig sm...the satisfaction n closure a tthe end is so. so nice n i love that u get to say a proper goodbye to everhone by the end :) fr i usually feel lole true routes arent always executed well but they did such a phenomenal job w fujieda its everything i ever wanted n more. i loved that it was more abt unveilong n healing towa rather than the lvoe imterest tho ofc fujieda grows too!! its jsut rly good.

TOONO JSBFBS hes a lil goofy looknog to me but i resoect it 😭 i can totally see him gaving s side bad ending in takus route or smth

#ask #read more button ill add wai #wait

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smoll-tangerine · 3 years

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sorry it's still me rambling abt my love for your writings but i am a fan of yours to the extent that i re-read your pieces on aff with the exo members for a different vibe HAHAH so thank you again. & ps i wanted to request jaehyun exes-to-lovers!au bc one year later i am still in love with once again, but i guess i'll just re-read it for probably the 100th time :')))

[a/n] HELLO LOML! thanks so much for requesting again!! and AHHHHH, exes-to-lovers is my favourite trope to write and i kind of do miss once again too haha. so here's a little something that's written in a similar style, hope you enjoy!! ♡♡

p-s: you forgot to include a prompt, so i included one of my choice! i also listened to jaehyun x d.ear try again while writing this, so maybe you could listen to that while reading this (though, the story might be too short for it ksfjskfjs)

PAIRING. jaehyun x female!reader GENRES. romance, slight angst, exes-to-lovers!au PROMPT. "well, how was i supposed to know not to open the box?!" WORDS. 876

You once thought that Jaehyun was perhaps your soulmate, the one you were going to marry eventually. But, what did they say again, about people that break up even though they were still very much in love with each other?

Oh, that’s right.

Right person, wrong time.

Weirdly enough, your break-up with Jaehyun didn’t affect your relationship as much as you thought it would. It remained relatively the same, just without the labels and PDA. Though, to your slight dismay, the skinship remained.

The way you two behaved around each other was almost as if nothing had changed. People wondered why you two even broke up in the first place. But things were just more complicated than it seemed and you didn’t have the mental capacity to tell them your whole history with Jaehyun.

Not that it was any of their business, to begin with.

There was just this pull between the two of you that you couldn’t quite dispel, no matter how hard you tried. And frankly, Jaehyun didn’t try that hard either to make the boundaries clearer.

“We should stop this,” you muttered as you looked up at the ceiling while lying down on Jaehyun’s bed.

“Stop what?” he mumbled back as he flipped through his novel at his desk, where he was sitting.

You sighed and flipped onto your stomach before giving him a look. “You know what I mean.”

“Actually, I don’t know what you mean,” he replied back stubbornly, never meeting your eyes completely.

You opened your mouth, then closed it — there was no point in arguing with him when Jaehyun was adamant in not listening to you.

He exhaled sharply and got up from his seat before heading for his bathroom. “I’m going to take a shower now. We can talk when I’m done.”

You didn’t even bother responding.

You got up from his bed the second you heard the water from his shower and perused the numerous picture frames that decorated his bookshelf. Picture frames that consisted of you and him only.

Your heart tightened at the trail of memories in front of you, bringing you back slightly in time and leaving you wishing for things to be as lighthearted and easy as before.

But that was the thing about growing up.

Some people just didn’t grow at the same pace as you did and they ended up not being at the same stage of life.

You were too focused on the picture frames that you almost tripped over a small round box that laid near the bed, just barely out of sight.

Your brows furrowed and you wondered what it was. You didn’t feel shy about opening it up either since you practically knew everything there was about Jaehyun and you knew every crook and nanny of his room. So, where did this box come from, exactly?

So, you opened it, not expecting much. It probably just contained some random music memorabilia — he loved collecting those vintage collectors objects.

But to your utmost surprise, you found…

Museum tickets from your first date.

Plane tickets from your first summer vacation together abroad.

Polaroid pictures from your first road trip.

Random notes you once had passed to each other during class.

Receipts from all the restaurants you had eaten at with each other.

“What are you doing?”

Jaehyun’s voice startled you and you whipped your head around, your eyes brimmed with tears. But his expression didn’t reveal anything.

“Wh-what is this?” you asked, your voice barely a whisper.

“You weren’t supposed to open that,” Jaehyun answered briskly, but made no move to take it away from you.

“Well, how was I supposed to know not to open the box?!” you exclaimed. “And besides, you still haven’t answered my question — what is this?”

Jaehyun looked away from you. “Just a box with stuff that reminded me of you…”

You blinked in confusion. “Yes, but I don’t understand why you still have this — we broke up a while ago.”

Jaehyun remained calm, the complete opposite of you. “Do you want the truth?”

You gave him a nod apprehensively.

“The truth is that I miss you.”

But you began to shake your head and got up from the floor before you started to pace around his room. “No, you can’t do this to me, Jae. You just can’t– You broke up with me.”

Jaehyun followed you. “I know, I know! And every day, I wake up and regret ever making that decision. Why do you think I keep ignoring you whenever you bring up the fact that we’re too close for a pair of friends? It’s because I never wanted us to be friends and–”

“And, now what? You just want us to go back to how we were?” You scoffed and rubbed your forehead. “Jae, we broke up for a reason. We can’t just go back to how things were!”

Jaehyun managed to grab your hand amidst your turmoil and brought it to his heart. You could feel his heartbeat and how it got stronger with every second.

“I know, but all I’m asking is a second chance.”

You bit your lip as you could already feel your walls crumble.

“We’ll be alright, so can we try again?”

#neowritingsnet #cznnet #superm-net #jaehyun x reader #nct x reader #nct 127 x reader #jaehyun romance #jaehyun fluff #jaehyun angst #jaehyun scenarios #jaehyun imagines #nini.requests #nini.milestones: 1 year on tumblr #jae-bam

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strawberryhmilk · 2 years

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custom content ♡ kim yoohyeon

woke up thinking abt her today, so heres a small drabble ♡

The room around you was quiet, save for the occasional click of a computer mouse and turning of a book page. Your eyes were trained on the novel in front of you, mind warping around and focusing on the world it was creating.

A hum left your mouth, eyes widening at the dialogue exchange you’d just read. A shiver racked through your body, bringing your thoughts away from the created world and back to your own. Frowning, you stood and rummaged through the closet to the left of you.

“Cold?” Yoohyeon called, her eyes not leaving the monitor in front of her. You frowned even more, letting out a small “mhm”. She glanced at you with a smile, “take whatever you want.”

Her eyes narrowed then, “just not the Cinnamoroll hoodie. You never give it back.”

“It’s comfy and cute,” you let out a huff. A smile replaced your frown, though, as you continued to shuffle through her closet. Settling on a white and navy blue hoodie, you shoved your head and arms into it. You let out a content sigh once the hoodie was adjusted to your liking. “Your clothes are so much nicer than mine.”

Yoohyeon’s smile turned teasing as she brushed her hair behind her ears. She glanced at you again, “that’s just because you like me, or whatever.”

“Or whatever,” you mocked, rolling your eyes in response. Watching as she tossed her hair behind her shoulders again, you grabbed a hair clip from her dresser before walking up behind her. Twirling her dark brown hair, you pressed the faux ponytail against the back of her head, clipping the hair accessory around the strands. You leaned your chin on her shoulder, watching what she was doing on the computer. “Shopping?”

“Downloading custom content for the Sims,” she corrected. Yoohyeon leaned back against the computer chair so that she was closer to you. In return, your arms draped around her shoulders loosely and lazily. She turned to press a kiss to your cheek, “thanks.”

“Mhm,” you responded. A lilac pair of shoes on the webpage caught your attention. “Oh, those are cute.”

Yoohyeon nodded, clicking the green download button before returning to the homepage. “Look at this hairstyle I found! Comes in pink, too.”

It was a hime type cute, complete with different hair dye options. You pointed to the curly style to the right of that one. “That’s cute, too. A wolf cut, right?” Yoohyeon nodded again, downloading that hairstyle as well. You stuffed your face closer to her neck, voice becoming muffled as you spoke. “Would look cute on you.”

“You think everything looks cute on me.” You didn’t have to see her face to know she was grinning. Not even a sweet, loving grin. No — Yoohyeon was smiling smugly and cockily and you knew it. Smug little shit.

“Yeah,” you sighed. Your nose brushed against her neck before you turned your head, facing the computer again. “‘Cause I like you, or whatever.”

Yoohyeon turned to face you, leaning her head back so she could see more of your face. Her smile had melted into a more gentle one, eyes sparkling as they danced around your face. She pressed a quick kiss to your nose and then your lips. “I like you too, you know.”

Shyly, you shoved your face in her neck again. The “whatever” you let out was muted, but it still caused her to laugh. So did the grin she could feel against her throat.

“Wait, look at this dress!” Yoohyeon shook you lightly, jolting your head’s position away from her shoulder. Sighing, you looked at the pearl blue dress she was squealing about. “It also comes in florals!” She downloaded it quickly without another thought.

This went on for a while, Yoohyeon eventually dragging you down from your standing position and into the chair beside her. Your head was still resting on her shoulder, moving slightly when she got excited or moved her left arm. Finally, she broke the silence, “let’s get matching shoes for our date.”

“Date?” You perked up, blinking owlishly. This was news to you. A date wasn’t planned — the sun was also setting, signaling it a bit too late for a date. “We have a date?”

“We will,” Yoohyeon dragged the word out. She tapped the mouse, clicking different content before shaking her head in displeasure. “As soon as I find the shoes I like.”

It took a second before you let out a small noise of confirmation. “Ah, you mean in the game.”

“A date in the game can also count as a date here, too.” She said it so confidently you believed her — kinda. She nodded once in satisfaction, leaving the website and starting the Sims 4 up. “Time to go on our date, my love!”

You let out a laugh at her excitement, “whatever makes you happy.”

“That would be you, then.”

Grumbling, you shoved your face back into her neck, bashful feelings hovering over you. Yoohyeon let out a loud cackle, throwing her head back at how shy you could get. She kissed the side of your head, humming along to the music in the game. “My shy baby.”

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thatdiabolicalfeminist · 3 years

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last night in one of my story dreams the new big thing was to sell some kind of fluid from your body to corporations who made it seem like a fun and easy way to get quick cash. when asked directly what the effects on the seller were, the corporate spokespeople smiled and said, well, the difference is so slight it’s really hard to tell!! but we’re offering such and such a deal for a limited time!!

and people who were really hard put got the app on multiple phones so they could just sell and sell and sell. one guy in my dream died from selling so much because it was winter and he’d lost his job and he had to take care of his family somehow.

anyway in the dream (as I often am in our escalating dystopia in real life) I was like “this is too over the top”

but then I woke up and I remembered blood plasma and how basically everyone i know irl has “donated” (sold their plasma) as a routine thing, only stopping if the side effects just become too much or if something changed to make them less desperate. I don’t know of anyone who’s DIED from it but that’s the major difference from my dream.

and I mentioned this to a middle class person I know bc how fucking ridiculous that i dreamed a dystopia that’s real this time!!

and it turns out she doesn’t know a single person (besides me) who’s ever tried to donate blood plasma. she didn’t know that the centres are placed in poor neighborhoods throughout america, that it’s marketed as this like easy fun (they have like wifi and stuff) way to earn $50 in two hours doing nothing but fucking around on your phone. she didn’t know that they then sell the plasma for a huge markup to medical corps who will use it to make a huge profit on what THEY paid for it - making products the people whose blood they used will probably never be able to access if they need it.

like everything i told her about it was news, bc they’re not targeting her friends and family for this. the fact that the “safeguards” to make sure you don’t “donate” too much are easily circumvented by desperate people, that some people quit donating because they lose too much weight (in a bad way, don’t get ideas, you lose muscle) or feel too weak too long after or find the cost of replacing the lost calories makes it not worth it.

like this is mosly pretty common knowledge among the poors I know but only cos we’re the ones being targeted for it, we’re the ones whose friends have the stories of that time they broke the rules and donated too often and passed out driving to work after even though they’d never passed out before in their life - “so make sure you eat something immediately, it helps!”

we’re the ones who know you gotta avoid certain techs because they’ll fuck something up and so and so had this horrible reaction to like a misplaced line and had to go to the er two days later after the tech and receptionist both said don’t worry about it, the swelling will go down... and the tech’s still working there after the complaint that no medical assistance was offered at all

idk i don’t have a point except this is severely fucked and it’s apparently somewhat invisiblised. do non poors know that poor people are very literally selling necessary body parts to survive? like even donating within the easily-circumvented guidelines makes people more tired and feel weak, it’s noticeable for a lot of people, and it’s just a normal thing to do for a lot of people.

like idk how people think this isn’t a fucking dystopia and that the way things are is just fine and normal... people should not be forced to sell their necessary fucking body parts for the spending money. people shouldn’t be put in situations that desperate. people shouldn’t be denied access to medical help their lifeblood literally helped create bc they can’t provide profits on that end of the process as well.

although - oh! I almost forgot - remember when a while back we found out that some of this plasma was being used as a quack "treatment” to keep rich people young?? LITERALLY A DYSTOPIAN NOVEL.

(like that bit sounds like a conspiracy theory bc there ARE a lot of conspiracy theories abt that mostly involving antisemitic blood libel myths but apparently some capitalists took the conspiracy theories as inspiration bc it’s actually something multiple capitalists sat down and decided to try to make money off of.)

#rants #non poor people read this #poverty #capitalism #thatdiabolicalfeminist

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Hey, sorry to ask this, but a few days ago I saw a post/discussion about the history of original work on ao3 (i.e. how and when it was allowed). I thought it was in my likes, but it's not, and I thought you had reblogged it recently, but I didn't find it. I was wondering if you have seen this discussion around? Or where I can find more about it? This specific post talked abt how who defended original work on ao3 were not the BNFs, if that helps.

That was me running my mouth in the reblogs of something or other. It’s just the one comment.

But what’s that you say? Some tl;dr about a pet topic? Don’t mind if I do! ;) (To be honest, most of this debate happened years ago, and a lot of the long meta was by me back then too, so…)

Okay, so, the situation with Original Works is actually super interesting and a microcosm of early years OTW wank.

This is going to be even more tl;dr than my usual. To try to summarize very briefly:

There were two big cultural factions. One thought “original” was the opposite of “fan”. That one was in charge of OTW. It was hard to get voices from the other side into the debate because they already felt excluded from OTW.

This divide broke down more or less into Ye Olde Slash Fandom on the “it’s the opposite” side and anime fandom on the “WTF?” side. Americans on one side and a lot of non-US, non-English language fandom on the other.

I. Media Fandom, Anime Fandom, and Early OTW

I went to that first fundraising party that astolat threw in New York City back in… god… 2007? 2008? I wasn’t on the Board or any official position until the committees got started later, but I was around right from the very beginning.

Whether you’re looking at volunteers or at people who commented on astolat’s original post, there were always a variety of fans from a variety of fannish backgrounds. People aren’t absolutely in one camp or another, and fannish interests change over time. If you go dig through Dreamwidth posts to find who was actually participating in this debate at the time, half of them are probably in the other camp now.

If you think like that sounds like a preamble to me making a bunch of offensively sweeping generalizations and divvying fans up into little groups, you’d be right! Haha.

I.a. Ye Olde Media Fandom

There are a lot of camps of people who like fanfic. One of the biggest divisions has been Ye Olde Media Fandom vs. anime fandom. Astolat’s social circle–my LJ social circle–was filled with people with decades of fannish experience and a deep knowledge of the Media Fandom side of things.

Those fandom history treatises that start with K/S zines in Star Trek fandom in the 70s and move on through the mainstream buddy cops like Starsky & Hutch to the more niche, sff buddy cops like Fraser and Ray or Jim and Blair are talking about Media Fandom. I try to always capitalize it because the name is lulzy and bizarre to me unless it’s a proper noun for a specific historical thing. It was coined as a rude term for “mass media” fandom aka dumb people who like, ughhhh, Star Trek, ughhh, instead of books. This is a very ancient slapfight from the type of fandom you find at Worldcon, often called “SF fandom” or plain “fandom”.

(Yes, this leads to mega confusion on the part of some old dudes when they find Fanlore and fail to understand that “fandom” there refers to what these people would call “Media Fandom”. They think only they get the unmarked form. But I digress…)

Media Fandom is a specific flavor of fandom. It’s where the slash zines were. It’s where the fans of live action US TV shows were. It’s the history that acafans have laid out well and that tends to get used to defend the idea of a female subculture writing transgressive and transformative fanfic. On the video side, Media Fandom is where Kandy Fong invented vidding by making Star Trek slideshows.

(Kandy’s still around, BTW. She’s usually at Escapade in L.A. Ask her to tell you about the dancing penises sketch in person. She’s hilarious.)

Astolat and friends had been going to slash cons for years. They founded Vividcon. And Yuletide. That meant that when astolat said “Hey kids, let’s put on a show!” we all jumped to help. This is a lady who gets things done.

From a Worldcon perspective, or even from an older Media Fandom perspective, this group was comparatively young, hip, and welcoming. Their fandom interests were comparatively broad. Just look at Yuletide!

In fact, yes, let us look at Yuletide… [ominous music]

I.b. Yuletide sucks at anime

From the very first year (2003), Yuletide mods have asked for help with anime fandoms, been confused about anime fandoms, or made bad judgment calls about anime fandoms. They’ve fucked up on Superhero comics and plenty of other things over the years, but anime has been the most consistent (well, and JRPGs, but there’s so much overlap in those fic fandoms).

There was already bad feeling about this. There were years of bad feeling about this.

I.c. Where are the historians?

Academic study of fanficcy things pretty much got started with Textual Poachers and Enterprising Women. Other acafans who are well known to LJ and later Tumblr are people like Francesca Coppa who wrote a very nice summary of the history of Media Fandom. These are not the only academics who exist, these academics themselves have written about many other things, and by now, OTW’s own journal has covered a lot of other territory, but to this day I see complaints on Tumblr that “acafans” only care about K/S and oldschool slash fandom.

There were years of bad feeling about this as well.

I.d. What kind of fan was I?

Now, by the time OTW got started, I’d moseyed over to not only a lot of live action US TV but a lot of old-as-fuck US TV that is squarely in the Media Fandom camp. But once upon a time, I was a weeaboo hanging out with my weeaboo friends in college. I learned Japanese (sort of). I moved to Japan. Livin’ the weeaboo dream!

More importantly, I used to be a member of a lot of anime mailing lists back in the Yahoo Groups days. I didn’t realize what a cultural gap that would cause until the original works issue came up on AO3.

I.e. Anime Fandom, German-language Fandom, Original M/M

Once upon a time–namely in that Yahoo Groups era–there was an archive called Boys in Chains. It was where you found The Good Stuff™. Heavy kink and power exchange galore! It was extremely well known in the parts of fandom I was in, even if you weren’t on the associated mailing list. It contained lots of fic, but it also had lots of original work.

Around that same era, I was on a critique list called Crimson Ink, which was mixed fic and original. The “original slash” and “original yaoi” crowds mixed freely and were in fanfic spaces. Remember, this is like 2003. You’re never going to get your gay fantasy novel published in English in the US. A couple of fangirl presses started around then, but they died an ignominious death after their first print run.

Fanfiction.net used to allow original work before it spun that off into FictionPress. We forget this today, but if you were an early FFN person, the separation wasn’t so great either.

Meanwhile, German-language fandom was hanging out on sites like Animexx.de, a big-ass fic archive that prominently mentions also including original work. I have the impression that Spanish-language fandom was similar too.

Shousetsu Bang*Bang was founded in 2005. It was a webzine for original m/m, but it was entirely populated by fanfic fandom types.

In all of those kinds of spaces, there was a lot of “original” work that was kind of slash or BL-ish and seen as fannish if it was posted in the fannish space. These weren’t anime-only spaces. They were multifandom spaces where it was seen as obvious and normal that a couple of huge fandoms like Harry Potter would dominate but that everything else big would naturally be anime.

While fans from every background are everywhere, I found that the concentration of EFL fans living in Continental Europe, South America, and Asia was much higher in this kind of space, even the exclusively English language part of it, than in my US TV fandoms.

II. AO3 Early Adopters

AO3 went into closed beta in 2009. In 2010, it was open to the general public (albeit with the invitation queue it still has). But not everyone was interested yet. Just like fandom is loath to leave the dying, shambling mess of Tumblr, fandom was loath to leave dwindling LJ/DW circles or was happy enough on Fanfiction.net. I used to see a lot of posts like “Why are you guys trying to STEAL fanfic from the original! FFN is enough!”

I literally could not give away the invitations I had. No one wanted them.

So who was on AO3? Obviously enough, it was all of us who built it and our friends. So that means a bunch of oldschool Livejournal slashers coming from fandoms like Due South or Stargate Atlantis.

The queue was open. Anyone could make an account. Everyone was welcome. In theory…

But more and more, there started to be these posts about how “AO3 Hates Anime Fandom” and “FFN is for anime. AO3 is for Western fandoms.” and “If you guys actually wanted anime fandom on there, you’d invite us better and make us more welcome.”

At the time, I found these posts obnoxious. People aren’t purely in one sort of fandom or the other. No one was stopping anime fandom from making accounts. No one was banning anime fandom. If there wasn’t much from old fandoms, that was because old fandoms seldom move.

Things began to change. Trolls on FFN forced the Twilight porn writers out, creating enough fuss and brouhaha to mobilize people who would rather have stayed put. AO3 got big enough that randos found it by accident. Original work started to pop up, posted by people who’d never looked at the rules and had no idea it was not allowed.

III. History of AO3’s Policy

I had argued for allowing “original work” during the initial discussions about the ToS. On one side of this issue was me. On the other, everyone else on the committee.

I was overruled.

Open Door started importing old archives to save them. Boys in Chains was hugely important to fandom history from my point of view. It was slated to be imported… maybe. Except that Boys in Chains is half original. AO3 was happy to grandfather in those stories, but the final archive owner felt, quite rightly, that it would be unfair to tell half of the authors they were welcome in the new space while spitting on the other half.

I was pissed. I had been pissed since being overruled the first time. To me, the fact that it should be allowed was so blatantly obvious that it was hard to even explain why.

(To be honest, this difficulty in explaining why and the even greater difficulty in figuring out the source of that difficulty is what held the discussion back for so long. When every assumption on either side is completely opposite, it’s hard to communicate.)

I felt betrayed. It would be like if you helped build something, and everyone was suddenly like “Well, obviously, we can’t allow m/m. It’s not normal fanfic.”

So we discussed it again and, again, it was me vs. literally everyone else. And still the “AO3 is only for Western slash fandom” bitching rose in volume and more and more people complained of feeling excluded from the new fandom hub. Finally, the committee agreed to open the issue up for public comment and get some more input. I was a fool and neither wrote nor proofread the post. It went out phrasing the question as allowing “non fannish” work or something of that sort.

I was furious. The entire point of the whole debate was that I saw some original work, the original work that belongs on AO3, as inherently fannish. And now this had been presented to the AO3 audience as something completely different. Think pieces were popping up in the journals of everyone I knew about diluting AO3’s mission and how we needed to save AO3 from encroachment. Public opinion was very negative. That’s both because of how the post was phrased and because OTW die hards at the time were mostly from the same fannish background. This tidal wave of negativity meant that there was virtually no chance of changing this poisonous rule. And if the rule didn’t change, the people who wanted the rule change were never going to show up to explain why it mattered.

If you’ve been reading my tumblr, I think you can guess what happened next.

I posted a long post to my Dreamwidth. It was a masterwork of passive aggression. In it, I wrung my hands about how simply tragic it would be if AO3 had to delete all of the original work… like anthropomorfic.

Now, I think anthropomorfic counts as fanfic as much as anything else, but I also knew that it fails most rigorous “based on a canon” type definitions of fic and, more importantly, it’s a favorite Yuletide fandom of many of the people on the side that wanted to ban original work.

That’s a nice fandom of yours. It would be a pity if something happened to it.

Yup. Passive aggressive blackmail. Go me. Suddenly, there was a lot of awkward backtracking and confused running in circles in various journals. The committee agreed to table the idea for a while but not rule out the idea of allowing original works in the future. We agreed to halt all deletions of original work. If a fan posted it, the Abuse Committee (which I was also head of at the time) would not delete that work even though it was technically against the rules.

Time passed. The people on the negative side got tired. I wanted off that committee and had wanted off for ages, but I was damned if I was going to leave before ramming through this piece of policy. Grudgematch till I die! (Look, I never said I wasn’t a wanker.)

After a while, some other fans came forward with more types of “original work” as evidence that it should be allowed. These were from parts of fandom none of us on the committee knew a damn thing about.

This new evidence combined with the gradual accretion of original stuff on AO3 without the sky falling eventually led us to quietly rule Original Work a valid fandom. There was never even a big announcement post. I slipped a word to the Boys in Chains mod myself.

IV. What Were They So Afraid Of Anyway?

So why were people so resistant? Seems like a dick move, right?

Not exactly.

I mean, I was enraged and waged a one-woman war to change the rules, but the other side wasn’t nuts. The objections were usually the following:

I just don’t get why it would be allowed. It never was in my fannish spaces.

Most of our members don’t want this.

Most of the examples of things that ought to be included are m/m. We are privileging m/m if we allow it, and AO3 already has a m/m-centric reputation that can feel exclusionary to some fans.

AO3 is a young, shaky platform that can barely handle the load and content we already have. If we open to original work, we’ll be opening the floodgates. The volume of posting will be so high, it will drown out the fic we’re actually here to protect.

Protecting stuff that doesn’t need protection because it’s not an IP issue would dilute OTW’s mission.

If we allow it, idiots will try to turn AO3 into advertising space, posting only the first chapter and a link to where you can pay to read the rest.

If we add another category of text before we add fan art, that’s a slap in the face of the fan artists we are already failing.

These arguments all make perfect sense in context.

Obvously, the issue with the first two is that different fannish communities have different norms. I knew that a very large community disagreed with the then current AO3 policy, but since so few of them were around to comment, it seemed like a tiny fringe minority.

The m/m thing is… complex. M/M content with zero IP issues is at risk. It is always at risk in a way that even f/f is not (though f/f is also always at risk). Asking for m/m to be exactly equivalent to f/f or m/f in numbers, tropes, whatever is ignoring the historical realities. In our current moment of queer activism in the West, we treat all types of queerness as part of one community with one set of goals, but once you get to culture and art or even more specific activism, this forced homogenization is neither useful nor healthy.

OTOH, AO3 really did have PR problems related to the perception that we gave m/m fandom the kid glove treatment. That objection wasn’t coming from nowhere.

AO3 was shaky. It was tiny when I first brought up this argument. Hell, it wasn’t even in closed beta the first time we discussed this. Part of what made the quiet rules change possible was AO3 organically getting much bigger and OTW having to buy many more servers for unrelated reasons.

The “floodgates” thing was put to rest by tacitly allowing original work before the rules change. We had a period to study how fans actually behaved, and as I predicted, only a small amount of original work got posted. It was indeed mostly things like original BL-ish stories or original work that had been part of a mixed original/fic fest, exchange, zine, etc. Currently, the “Original Work” fandom on AO3 only has 76,348 works. That’s pretty big compared to individual fandoms but tiny compared to AO3’s current size.

The commercial argument was spurious because commercial spam had been against the rules from the very beginning. OH THE IRONY that nowadays AO3 has all these idiots trying to post the first chapter of their fanfic and then direct you to where you can buy the rest.

AO3 has plenty of fanfic of public domain works. One of the problems with gatekeeping original work is that any way you try to distinguish it (not based on a specific canon, not an IP issue, etc.) will apply to some set of obviously allowable fandoms.

As for fan art… OTW has failed fan artists. They needed protection as much as or even more than fic writers. Just look at Tumblr! If we had succeeded at making DeviantArt but allowing boners, fan art fandom could have been safe all these years. Or when Tumblr inevitably shat the bed, we could have scooped up all those people instead of them scattering to twitter and god knows where.

OTW has failed vidders too, at least in terms of preservation. I know I’m not the only one who thinks this. Other major people from like the first Board and shit have discussed this with me offline. Doing some kind of vidding project, possibly outside of OTW is on a lot of our to-do lists. But at least one of OTW’s biggest victories has been that copyright exemption. OTW has demonstrably done really positive things for vidders that other organizations and sites have not. As a vidder, I never expected to see good hosting for the actual video files, and I’m quite content.

But fan artists… yeah. That argument makes sense at least from a place of frustration.

BTW, for the love of god, if you’re a n00b to OTW stuff, please do not reblog this post excitedly telling me that hosting fan art is on OTW’s road map, so yay, good news. Someone always does that, and it’s so irritating. I haven’t been involved in OTW in years, but I used to be, and I know what is on the roadmap. The couple of you who do heavy lifting on sysadmin and coding and policy things are welcome to weigh in as usual. I know none of us like that we can’t host fan art. It’s not what we intended.

Nonetheless, I found this argument to be the perfect being the enemy of the good. If we can save more text now without losing much of anything, we should do it. The fact that we’re fucking up on the fan art front is not a reason to spread the misery around.

V. Is “Original” the Opposite of “Fanfic”?

Okay, so that tl;dr above is why “BNFs” were on one side and “nobodies” were on the other. BNFs from one cultural background founded OTW. BNFs from the other cultural background weren’t even aware that the debate was going on.

But what was the underlying philosophical problem in even having the conversation?

It took me a long time, but I finally worked it out: We had two completely different ways of categorizing writing, and they were so baked into how we phrased questions that everything ended up being unanswerable to the other side. Here is what I came up with:

Schema 1

Fanfic - based on someone else’s IP

Original Work - the opposite

Schema 2

Non-Fannish Work - School essays, stories you are writing to try to sell to a mainstream publisher

Fannish Work Type 1 - based on other people’s characters directly (i.e. fanfic) Type 2 - based on tropes or whatever (“original slash” and the like)

Now, in the current moment when half of Tumblr just got into Chinese webnovels and the m/m ebook industry is thriving in English, original, tropey, BL-ish work is no longer different from “things I am trying to sell”. But this is how the divide was circa 2005 on fannish websites, and it’s the divide that was driving this internal OTW debate.

VI. Let’s Summarize the Camps One More Time

So, again, the debate makes perfect sense if you understand who was involved.

On the mainstream “But that’s not fanfic? I’m confused?” side:

Big US TV fandoms in English

Fandom historians of K/S–>buddy cop slash–>SGA, etc.

Americans

On the other side:

Anime fandom

“Original slash” fandom that had already been chased off of everywhere

People upset that AO3 wasn’t farther on translating the interface and supporting non-English language fandom.

People upset about US-centrism in fandom

Yes, I am very white, very American, and by now very into old buddy cop shows, but this was basically how the breakdown worked. It meant that something that looked like a minor quibble to one side was really, really not.

#fandom history #fandom meta #original work #cowboyformitski

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