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autistfanatic · 6 months
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Disney Fandom: If you're sick of the quirky awkward protagonist syndrome what would YOU want in a main lead?
Me: This 👇
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nitewrighter · 19 days
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Like... Moana worked because you had a very solid Dynamic Duo to carry you through a pretty classic Hero's Journey plot.
Encanto worked because it's basically "Let me work out my generational and cultural trauma through a big ensemble musical."
Those are both Disney movies where the plots are arguably more complex than the plots we were dealing with back in the Disney Renaissance, with the added challenge of not being based on a preexisting fairy tale, or, um... Hamlet with Lions. Like you do have the added challenge of having less time to establish more facts about your characters and settings. But at the end of the day, they still work because they manage to have a strong focus on how they set you up for their various emotional beats.
I don't have a problem with formulaic writing--you want to build a house, doesn't hurt to have a strong frame--but it's giving me such brainworms to try and articulate how Wish as a movie shits the bed by trying to incorporate both the formulaic and the flouting of expectations at once while burying everything under a pile of Disney self-references. You can practically feel an exec breathing down a writer's neck in every scene going "Make it funnier! Add this reference! Make Asha More Relatable™!"
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ahb-writes · 1 year
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"Not worth your time."
(from Kim Possible S3E12: "So the Drama")
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shinigami-striker · 6 months
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Same Actor, ft. Lex Lang | Sunday, 11.12.2023
Same actor, different characters - featuring Lex Lang.
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Dr. Neo Cortex - Crash Bandicoot (video games; since 2004) - video game series
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Dr. Victor Von Doom - The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (TV show; guest star)
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Goku - Dragon Ball Super (Bang Zoom1 dub; aborted) - anime
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mortyisacutiepie · 6 months
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Now I'm not saying that this fact is a problem or anything, just wanted to point this out.
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maldito-junajo · 1 year
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Heavenly Delusion
Very good first episode of Tengoku Daimakyou.
It set the atmosphere really well, with lot of nice character actings sequences, and very strong drawings.
The art is also top notch, Kaneko Kami.
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writerbeemedina · 2 years
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I don’t know how to say this, but “strong female protagonist” does not equal “female protagonist as small as a twig with zero combat experience take down men three times her size who have trained for years with nothing but her bare hands.
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Disney after making a visually stunning and stunningly creative sci-fi time-period-mishmash adventure movie about cool space travel and daddy issues that is heavily inspired by classic works with a relatable teenage boy protagonist, badass female captain, and silly little marketable shapeshifting splat, and then proceeding to release it immediately after a huge franchise’s long-awaited and incredibly hyped-up blockbuster release, giving this movie absolutely no promotion or hype whatsoever or even so much as a fucking McDonalds action figure because they desperately want this movie to die because they don’t like the experimentalism and queerness and want to write it off as a bad movie instead of their own refusal to accept different kinds of storytelling and emerging social issues:
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antoniosvivaldi · 26 days
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👑 Assorted female protagonists from Disney's 3D Animated films 👑
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cochart · 5 days
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Some headcanons about PT and film they enjoy:
Joker: Sundance type, documentary—esp. nature or space ones, soft spot for classic Hong Kong movies because his parents watch them.
Morgana: Detective Columbo, old 007 movies (pre Daniel Craig), most action movies
Ryuji: Fast and Furious, anything fast-paced and popular but can also stand romance. Would watch stupid rom-coms with his mom if she asks. Only person in PT who can stand Oscar movies. More of a Marvel man than DC. One Piece, Tokyo Revengers
Ann: Like Ryuji, fast-paced action films, 007, Jessica Chastain, action movies with hot female protagonist. Would watch romance with Shiho.
Yusuke: A24, Dario Argento, Akira Kurosawa, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Nosferatu, would’ve watched Lars Von Trier if only his films weren’t all rated R, shares some passion for practical effects with Guillermo Del Toro, kaiju stuff, would probably like John Wick
Makoto: Kamen Rider movie, Sylvanian Families
Futaba: classic tokusatsu, Fate series movies (except Heaven’s Feel), most anime movies, Doraemon, kaiju stuff, American animation, yes she can stand Disney
Haru: Studio Ghibli, British romance movies, John Wick
Kasumi: Japanese romance and drama, Disney
Akechi: Claims to absolutely hate romance but watches Wong Kar Wai films because his mom used to like them, anti Batman (Christopher Nolan or not), soft spot for Featherman but doesn’t keep up with all tokusatsu, probably empathizes with Lars von Trier protagonists, Hirokazu Koreeda films trigger him.
Now, I must admit that some of the choices are heavily influenced by my taste.
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destinygoldenstar · 3 months
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The fact that the fandom of Wish is mostly people falling in love with a STORYBOARD that was CUT from the actual movie is so fascinating to me. More so than the movie itself.
But like, can anyone blame these poeple?
The star is an actual character, with a romance with Asha? A villain couple?!
Of course people would eat that up. That sounds like such a unique fairytale. Which fits perfect for Disney honestly.
You'd have a cute love story. You'd have your strong female protagonist. You'd have your messages about wishes as both a deconstruction and a celebration your entire legacy. And you'd have a unique approach to a traditional Disney villain that keeps the story fresh compared to previous films. Especially if the wife was a twist villain who pretended to be on Asha and Starboy's side only to reveal she's completely on board with her husband's evil plans.
GOSH, I... that's so fascinating to me. That fandom isn't even in love with the movie itself. They're in love with the IDEA of what the movie COULD'VE been.
It's... sad that it's more prominent in fandoms than you think.
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synergysilhouette · 5 months
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Disney hero/villain tropes and personalities I'd like them to revisit or try for the first time.
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An optimistic male lead. Pessimistic leads are a dime a dozen, so having someone who's more innocent and sees the world in a positive light would be awesome.
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2. A male hero/female villain dynamic. Male villains are more common than female in Disney canon (though the female villains have better odds of being iconic), and usually when we have a female villain, we have a female hero. It'd be neat having a male protagonist and a female antagonist.
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3. A villain who's kinda right, or has selfless or selfless-adjacent (ie not "I'm doing this just for me," but "I'm doing this for someone I care about--and maybe me too") intentions and bad methods. I feel like Disney has done this trope before (or at least tried), but I'd love them to do this more; a complex villain who CHALLENGES the protagonist to grow as a person, whether they're doing "I'm selfish but now I understand how it hurts others" or "I thought I was doing everything right but now I see the situation isn't so black and white."
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4. A forgotten/fallen hero as the villain. I like the idea of someone who was originally a typical Disney protagonist, only to get to a situation where they gave in to their fear, hope, despair, grief, etc. I remember the 2015 remake of Cinderella doing a really good parallel to how both Cinderella and the Tremaines had suffered grief, but while it embittered the Tremaines, Cinderella held strong, making them resent her further (particularly Lady Tremaine).
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5. A shy Disney protagonist. Most Disney protagonists are pretty outgoing and/or social, so having someone who isn't the best at socializing would be a cool Disney lead--plus if it was a musical, the singing could either all be done from the protagonist and co's minds rather than out loud, or the protagonist only sings when they think they're alone. Perhaps they eventually gain the confidence to sing publicly.
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6. A hero and villain romance. This may not be something that you wanna have with a film that caters to a younger audience (glamorizing abusive relationships and such), but if done correctly, I like the idea of a villain redemption and subsequent falling in love with the protagonist. As such, they'd probably have to be a secondary villain in order to keep their crime/kill count low. It's a controversial idea, but I do like the enemies to lovers trope (note: ENEMIES to lovers, not two people who pester, annoy or argue with each other then fall in lover over time; not a fan of that).
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killlerfang1 · 1 year
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If there's one thing Disney loves more than possession, it's killing off it's female protagonist only for her to come back due to meeting God and subsequently becoming more powerful than ever
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poitcast · 7 months
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Moments from "Once Upon a Studio" that I adored
Mickey kindly offered Oswald to take first place in the group photo, telling him "After you!". Oswald happily thanked him by tipping his head to him.
That entire ending was perfect. I love how the "When You Wish Upon a Star" number began with Alan-a-Dale strumming his lute on top of the building, and then Scat Cat, Mirabel, and Junior join in before the singing begins. The build-up to Jiminy Cricket was great.
Belle and Beast singing together! In the original film, they had separate verses in "Something There" so it was nice that they shared a small duet. Paige O'Hara and Robby Benson did a great job!
Quasimodo singing! I'm glad to hear Tom Hulce in the role of Quasi again. James Baxter did a terrific job animating him once again.
Scuttle interrupts Ariel's verse only for Baloo to shut him up and share a sweet bonding moment with Mowgli.
There's something incredibly poetic about Snow White holding hands with Mulan and Asha as they sing together. Disney Studios owes a lot of its success to its princess characters, and it was cool to see three generations of female protagonists (the original, the Renaissance era in the 1990s, and the most recent era).
Winnie the Pooh's presence in general. I love how Christopher Robin and the others have to help him out of the picture frame, recreating the rabbit hole scene. Also, Pooh singing "Fate steps in, and sees you through" at the end and Tigger pouncing on him really got to me.
Cinderella and Prince Charming going down the stairs and Charming loses his shoe. The role reversal was cute enough, but after snatches the shoe, they go into silly mode with Prince Charming shouting "Eric, get your dog!" and Cinderella enabling the situation by saying "Go, Max, go!" It's incredibly endearing to see Prince Charming have a sense of humor and Cinderella happily going along with the shenanigans.
Antonio with the other animal characters and telling Joanna not to eat Jacques and Gus. Pluto coming in to save the mice was nice too.
Incorporating the archival audio from Robin Williams's recording as Genie.
The fifteen puppies watching the "Night on Bald Mountain" segment from Fantasia and Chernabog pops out of the screen. I also noted the various "Art of" books of their feature films on the cabinet surrounding the television.
Hearing Nathan Lane as Timon again and calling Olaf "Frosty".
Robin Hood and Little John snatching Scrooge McDuck's money bags and reveling in their victory. Oo-de-lolly!
The Wreck-It Ralph cameos! Vanellope on her race car, Ralph calling Mickey "Garfield" and Fix-It Felix fixing Goofy's camera. All in character and perfect.
Mickey's gang having their time in the spotlight. Donald trying to go down a crowded elevator, Goofy working as the photographer (may or may not be a subtle nod to his occupation in A Goofy Movie), and even Clarabelle has a moment.
It was nice seeing some representation for their shorts (Ben and Me, Johnny Appleseed) and their overlooked films (The Black Cauldron, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, and Dinosaur). Even if they didn't have any dialogue, their presence alone certainly counts.
Highlighting the artists that contributed to the studio. Burny Mattinson's cameo at the beginning was nice, and though Walt Disney himself was very much a complicated person (staunchly anti-union being one of them), the moment of Mickey staring at his portrait was genuine enough (Mickey says a simple "thanks" before he joins the rest of the characters). The framed photographs of various artists throughout the halls was also nice (I'm sure the actual building has those framed pictures of their former employees). I would have been a lot more critical of the short if many of the presence of the other artists weren't felt in the studio.
Overall, it was a great short! It was a beautiful love letter to the animation studio and its characters. I'm glad that they didn't incorporate any Pixar stuff and even flaunt their acquired assets (Star Wars, Marvel, etc.). It was just about celebrating their original animated works and the large catalog of characters. The animation was also fantastic and it was cool seeing the 2-D characters interact with the CG characters in a way that felt natural. I greatly appreciate the effort and love that was put into the short.
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Personally, I think that the main characters don't "appreciate" Yuu comes from the "TWST is a dating sim" angle. Like, sure, there are some flirty voicelines, but I feel like the boys don't express any interest in Yuu as a person besides Ace and Deuce since they've been friends since day one? I'm not saying people can't ship Yuu with the main cast or anything, but I feel like there's a real misunderstanding from the fanbase (the western one in particular) about what TWST is to begin with. (Sorry for the random rant, it's been on my mind!)
[Referencing this post!]
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I understand where this sentiment may be coming from, but I don’t think wanting Yuu (the audience’s proxy) to be appreciated by the NRC boys necessarily comes from a place of seeing TWST as a dating sim. (Though with the plethora of misinformation being spread by gaming news outlets in the West, I’m not shocked some people still think TWST is one 💀 I literally saw a 2023 Crunchyroll article still claiming TWST has “dateable” Disney villains…)
I think a lot of fans are just so emotionally attached and invested in these characters that they wish they could be friends with them or to be more intimate with them in some other manner. (I, for example, see Kalim and Ortho as my metaphorical little brothers.) The players projecting onto Yuu probably also see themselves in Yuu, so the players, of course, want to be loved and appreciated by the characters they like. It’s part of the reason why I believe the characters are not ever allowed to be “too” mean to Yuu and instead direct most of the vitriol to the other boys; it would potentially offend the players that insert as Yuu and make the characters TWST is trying to market to less appealing.
Because the game itself limits Yuu to predominantly hanging out with Ace, Deuce, and Grim, all those other relationships have to be expanded on in personal interpretations and fan works. The clashing expectations arise when the fans begin mixing their fanon with canon and expecting that the canon reflect their own interpretations. This same problem has occurred before, such as the outcry over Yuuken Enma as the Episode of Heartslabyul manga protagonist (as some interpreted this as “female Yuus aren’t valid”, until the release of Hirasaka Yuuka as the Episode of Savanaclaw protagonist). Another example is the friendship with Malleus; players get value out of the friendship depending on how much they enjoy Malleus, rather than Yuu actually being a super close friend with him in canon. (I could list off more examples, but I don’t want to bog this post down too much.)
As the asker has said, that’s not to say that I’m discouraging self-shipping or shipping OCs with canon characters! I only caution you to be aware of how to differentiate fanon from canon and how to delineate the expectations and the realities of both from one another.
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flower-boi16 · 13 days
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Lily and Mikila saying that Hunter is bad for being an "overdone trope" is so weird to me because like. Aren't ALL character archetypes over done??? In fact, this same logic can be applied to other characters within the show itself. Luz Noceda is an overdone trope; she's the bubbly "quirky" female protagonist who is also very kind and empathetic.
Her character archetype is actually more over done than Hunter's when you really think about it, especially in terms of Disney protagonists in the 2010s and early 2020s. Amity Blight is also an overdone trope; a bully character who goes through a redemption arc and becomes one of the main characters. Also has abusive parents as a way to explain their behavior and earn them sympathy from the audience. Amity's archetype, like Luz's, is arguably more overdone than Hunter's in a lot of media even outside of Disney.
Of course, this isn't exactly a bad thing; tropes are tools after all, and you can make generic ideas work with the right execution. Luz and Amity execute their respective archetypes well due to them having real depth and development over the course of the show, and, guess what? Hunter also executes his archetype pretty well too.
Story tropes are not inherently good or bad, they exist in every story and can be used effectively to create a compelling narrative, so docking points from a character for being a "over done trope" feels like a very bad faith critique, since, again, this same logic can be applied to other characters within the show.
Lily's only problem is that Hunter is an archetype she doesn't like and therefore her critique is heavily biased.
....Also he's an "angsty white boy" and Luz and Amity aren't. Sorry, I almost forgot.
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