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I hate that Via, Blitz and Angel Dust’s trauma are typically only used for unfunny s*x jokes (And Via isn’t even 18, which makes the s*x jokes and the stuff Brandon said recently even worse)
Via especially gets it bad with the writer's attitude towards her. I don't think the other two are used just unfunny sex jokes but Via absolutely is.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#hazbin hotel criticism#octavia deserves better
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”you want everything to be spelt out to you!” “The show doesn’t need to explicitly spell it out for you!” “You can just infer it!”
This is the exact same defense I always get whenever I argue with Viv fans when I criticize Viv’s piss-poor writing. And the thing is this IS true; shows don't need to explicitly spell things out to the audience, as there are conclusions that the viewer can draw on their own without having to be explicitly told by the text, usually by the text giving direct hints to that explanation.
The problem is that Viv fans' definition of inferring isn't "drawing conclusions on our own with direct explicit hints given from the text that is the canon explanation the story wants you to come to" it's "making shit up to try and explain and/or justify Viv's terrible writing".
There are three times where I got this defense when arguing with HH/HB fans all three times I lost several brain cells in the process.
The first time was in a discord server where I posted an HB episode tier list and put Truth Seekers in C tier (the mediocre one). One of users commented on this and I explained my reasoning why I thought the episode was meh. One of these reasons was the plot hole of why the Dhorks didn't send the footage they already had to the government.
The user then countered that with "how do you know didn't send that old footage?". Well, the reason why I know that is because the episode gives no actual indication that they sent it, and when I said that the user countered that with "because there was also no indication that they didn't send the footage". And then after that the argument spiraled into both of us repeating the same counterarguments over and over again.
The user says that it's logical for the audience to assume they sent the footage because it's the logical thing to do cuz why would they keep it. Which, ok, you can assume that they did send the footage but there's no indication of that within the story. This does not change the fact that this is an unanswered question that the story itself didn't answer, did they or did they not send the footage?
That's a pretty important question to answer and the show can't just leave it there. And then the user tells me "you don't need to be told, Its in your face how they act". There is no way to infer if they did send the footage because the story gives a SINGLE hint that they do, and the story DOES need to say if it they sent it or not.
This is not inferring. This is making shit up to explain Viv's writing for her. Did they or did they not send the footage? This is a big question that the episode does not answer even though this is a major plot hole and it can't just leave it hanging there for fans to just guess. The episode gave no indication that they sent the footage, so I have no reason to believe that they did. You can't infer ANYTHING from this.
This explanation is simply something made up, not a conclusion that's given direct hints from the show. If the next never said it happened, it did not fucking happen. This assumption is literally just headcanon.
The next argument was from an ask I got calling me media literate for my point about how fans shouldn't have to create fan theories to explain Viv's writing for her and Viv should explain her world-building herself. It stated that the explanation for why sinners are confined to the pride ring (making the exterminations more efficient/easier) is the clear explanation that the show doesn't have to spell out because 1) The show says that there are annual exterminations which aren't viable without the confinement and 2) Lucifer gets control over which ring his subjects go to.
Both of these explanations suck, here's why.
The exterminations simply being there does not explain the confinement. Also, this explanation doesn't work to begin with as I've talked about before
Lucifer having control over where he sends his subjects to doesn't inherently explain why he sends them to the pride ring specifically.
The "sinners are confined to the pride ring to make exterminations easier" was a fan theory created by the fans to explain this because the show itself didn't bother giving an answer. That's bad world-building.
The show itself needs to explain these things rather than having fans create explanations for it. There isn't any way to infer that because the show never once gives any hints that this is the reason. And, like I said before, the explanation doesn't even work anyway.
There is no way to infer why the sinners are confined to the pride ring at all, this explanation is once again a headcanon. But when I pointed this out, the anon said that I just want everything spelled out for me.
The third and final instance of this is with our good ol friend truffhollowell. Ya know, the person who's been going around on Hazbin critical posts spouting nothing but complete bullshit.
This argument was under this post about why Vaggie's turn around made 0 sense. In the post truff tried countering my argument with "uuuuh, actually, not all murderers are heartless monsters!" even though that is explicitly what the exorcists are shown to be.
They then go around and say that Vaggie could've been thinking "how could a child end up in hell" and she realizes Heaven's corrupt systems and develops her own identity (at least that's what I remember them saying since they deleted all of their replies once they lost the argument lmao)....even though there is NO indication within the show that this is what's happening.
This is not inferring. This is just a headcanon. But truff says that you CAN infer it because...child murder is bad...
...umm...WHY TF WOULD THE EXORCISTS GIVE A SHIT IF CHILD MURDER WAS BAD IF THAT CHILD IS A FUCKING SINNER????? And THEN they hit me with that same fucking claim of "oh, you want shows to spell things out for you!".
Ya, well, guess what, I can't infer any of this because that's not what's happening. This is not what's happening in the scene, this is just a headcanon truff made up.
There's more to their arguments than just that but that was the general point they were making.
I'm so sick of always getting this stupid-ass defense because NO, I DON'T want everything spelled out for me, I want things to actually make sense. I'm looking at specifically what the text itself is saying, the information that it gives out and what's happening within the show.
Not your headcanon you made up to explain Viv's terrible writing. None of these explanations are people infering things based on direct evidence from the show. They are just headcanons/theories with nothing in the text hinting towards it.
So, to anyone who is going to give me the "you can just infer it yourself!" excuse to defend these shows whenever I criticize them...
Shut the fuck up.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#hazbin hotel criticism#arguing with viv fans is a headache inducing nightmare#sorry#I just wanted to vent about this#because it's SO FUCKING ANNOYING getting this same argument over and over again whenever I complain about Viv's shit writting
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Thoughts on the Helluva Boss season 2 teaser?
https://youtu.be/BZTI5OWypAg?si=F2CEY9zxCK745BQ4
Looks like the Cherubs and Dhorks are coming back
The imps seem to be on the run from these randos in cloaks…?
One of the clips shows Blitz using a crystal, so Stolas will most likely give the crystal to Blitz in the full moon
Stolas acknowledging that his deal with Blitz was fucked would be good if the past seven episodes weren’t spent woobifying him.
Really not excited. I don't really think there's any way the show can come back after those first six episodes, episode 7 was the only one I actually liked and that was it. The other episodes are bad at best and awful at worst.
So ya, not very hyped.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism
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I really like MHA but like
Wtf would design this costume for a teenager???
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The Millie-Sallie Mae short would've been cute if it weren't for the fact that Vivziepop will give her men multiple episodes dedicated to them. However, her women are lucky if they're even the side focus in episodes, let alone the main character.
Vivziepop will shower her men with heavy amounts of attention, exploring their backstories and their relationships with other men in MULTIPLE episodes, while her women get breadcrumbs, receiving little focus by comparison.
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The Millie Problem
The first Helluva Boss short came out and...it was mid. It's cute and harmless, sure, but it's also nothing special or anything that great. The short once again tries and fails to give Millie any real depth and it made me realize the biggest flaw with Millie as a character...
....the writers don't know how to give her depth. I've talked this before but now it seems like a fairly common thing for Millie as a character that it's time to make a post about this. The writers clearly want to give Millie depth but like I said the problem is that they don't seem to know HOW, and here I'm going to explain why the writers' attempts at giving Millie depth simply don't work.
In Season 1 Millie kinda just...existed. She was there. She had little personality or character depth beyond being Moxxie's wife, she was completely one-dimensional as a character.
Season 2 would come and try to give her depth with Unhappy Campers, and this is where the problem begins to arise. Instead of actually focusing on Millie as a character, Unhappy Campers wasted it's runtime on focusing on Moxxie being jealous and decided to just. Randomly give Millie validation issues completely out of nowhere.
I've spoken before about this doesn't work, so I'll just explain it quick; it comes out of nowhere. Millie has never shown to want validation from others, there was no foreshadowing or build-up to this, thus it feels forced and rushed. It's just a random character flaw the writers pulled out their ass in a rushed and failed attempt at giving Millie depth.
But it doesn't give her depth because it came out of nowhere. This flaw is also never explored upoun; the show never explores this insecurity or why Millie even has it. Feels tacked on to her.
It is, essentially, a rushed attempt at giving her depth. This is a conflict that comes completely out of nowhere and is heavily underdeveloped. It does little for Millie as a character and fails to give her depth.
The new short is the second instance of this; once again we have a conflict where Sally is upset that Millie moved away and they reconcile in the end. This conflict is at least better than the other two of three times is happened, however, it still has the same problems; it doesn't really do that much for Millie as a character. It comes out of nowhere and is explored very little.
It's not enough to develop Millie as a character, it simply feels like the bare minimum. Once again; it's a conflict that comes out of nowhere, is explored very little, and gives little depth to Millie as a character. It once again, feels tacked on.
Now we're going to go into leak territory here as a future episode called GhostFuckers shows the third instance of the writers attempting to give Millie depth. How are they going to do it this time?
By making Millie suicidal of course! ....wait I'm sorry what???? Like with Unhappy Campers I've spoken before about why this doesn't work but of the three instances, this is easily the worst one. Why is Millie being suicidal here??? WHY have her be suicidal in the first place??? What's the point?????
This adds nothing to Millie as a character and once again feels forced and tacked on. Like the other two instances, it comes completely out of nowhere. Plus it just flat out makes no sense! Why does Millie apparently hate herself for "being a killing machine" when that is LITERALLY THE THING HER HUSBAND LOVES ABOUT HER AND WHEN THAT'S THE THING THAT MAKES HER ONE OF THE BEST MEMBERS OF THE GROUP???? WHY DOES SHE HATE HERSELF??? AND WHY IS SHE SUDDENELY SUICIDAL???? WHY DOES SHE SUDDENLY FEEL LIKE A BURDEN TO HER HUSBAND????? Once again, it's a forced attempt at giving Millie depth and feels tacked on.
It comes out of nowhere & is extremely forced. Granted, the episode hasn't come out yet, however judging by the leaks it seems like the episode will be the third instance of the writers randomly introducing conflicts out of nowhere in order to give Millie depth.
It's clear that the writers want to flesh out Millie as a character, but the problem is that they don't seem to know how. They constantly try introducing random conflicts for Millie to try and give her character depth, but they fail because every time the writers try to give Millie depth, it always comes out of nowhere. They always feel rushed, tacked on, and they just don't add anything to her as a character. It just feels like the bare minimum.
I want to like Millie, I really do, but it seems like the writers just don't know what to do with her anymore.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism
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So how u feel about the new short?
https://youtu.be/_38dtqdR5V4?si=AFYQA71f3oC57e2-
It’s a bit cute but not anything special. It’s weird that Millie and Sallie suddenly have this “OMG WERE BEST SISTERS EVAH!!!” dynamic when the last episode they interacted in the two kind of had a rivalry going on that just…disappears here. You could say they still love each other in spite of their rivalry but it’s still a jarring change in their dynamic.
The emotional moment in the end, while cute, does very little for Millie as a character. It really feels like the writers don’t know how to give Millie real depth and just give her small moments that TRY to give her depth…but don’t, usually because the conflicts are either heavily unexplored or just come out of nowhere.
This falls into the former for me. Once again we kinda just have a conflict for me that comes out of nowhere and isn’t explored, thus failing to give her depth. Sallie is fine, again her change in character compared to her last appearance is weird and makes no sense but she’s ok.
The short was just kinda ok for me. It’s harmless and kinda cute but it’s not really that memorable. It’s eh. 6/10, probably nearing a 5.5/10 to me.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism
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Ah yes, i will call child a cockblocking slut over because they blocking my OTP from happening.
No seriously, what the actually fuck is wrong with you, Brandon.
Octavia is 17 years old, A FUCKING MINOR and yet, you decide call child a slut over she's blocking your percious OTP.
She's have right be angry at Stolas because he's neglecting to her and he's obsess cry over Blitzo, who he's also treat Blitzo like shit.
All i want say is this:
FUCK THIS SHOW, FUCK VIVZIEPOP, FUCK BRANDON ROGERS AND FUCK EVERYONE WHO WORK WITH THIS SHOW (Expect some voice actor who aren't piece of shit just as Richard Horvitz, Cristina Vee and etc).
So yeah, i'm done with this ranting.
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writers and artists will go "this isn't good enough." my brother in christ, you're creating something new out of nothing and expressing yourself creatively. your productivity and unrealistic standards of perfection do not define you or the worth of your art. you're doing great.
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Brandon Rogers being like: “Oh yeah fuck this 17-year-old kid, who the fuck cares if she's upset that her father is cheating.” Is like me saying, “Oh yeah, my protagonist ocs that are upset at my villain oc? Oh yeah just fuck em, my villain oc is justified to murder people because reasons.”
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Do you think this fandom can still improve despite everything? Is it Viv and Spindlehorse's fault that this fandom is problematic or there is deeper root cause? Despite the amount of negativity both hh and hb recieved, is it still possible to listen to fans who give constructive criticism and improve both shows? Many fans often say something like"The Spindlehorse's crew don't want to listen to critics because there are too many bad faith criticism and hate" or "Those critics don't have the vision of the creators so their advices are invalid." I think both sides of this fandom are overly aggressive to whatever happened. It must have something behind it.
I think the reason why the fandom reacts so poorly to criticism is a mix of several factors:
These shows are fairly popular, the more popular something is the bigger the fanbase will be. And, likewise, some fans would be very defensive when it comes to criticism.
The batshit insane twitter users and fake outrage being confused with the actual critiques people have of the shows. I'll admit, early critical videos were...not great to say the least (cough cough Pkrussel cough cough), and many of Viv's past controversies are admittedly dumb. However, there are real issues people have with these shows and Vivziepop, however, because of all the past controversies with Viv being over-blown, fans lump these real and valid critiques in with the fake Twitter outrage, causing this confusing mess.
Vivziepop's reaction to critiscm. She directly dismisses critiques people have of her shows and pretty clearly spends a bit too much time on online discourse about her shows. Viv IS aware of the critiques people have of her shows but she has this very immature response to criticism just looking at her twitter, and, this does translate to the fandom as well.
Drama channels such as AyyLmao and Iox constantly defending Viv and her shows. AyyLmao is a fairly big channel and a lot of his videos are about controversies surrounding Viv. Pretty much all of these tend to be heavily biased as AyyLmao instantly takes Viv's side, as in several of his videos he deliberately chooses to lump in the actual critiques of the shows with the deranged Twitter users online, which contributes to the second problem I mentioned above. This can be seen with his hatedom video where he says that most of the criticism at least on Twitter isn't "real criticism" and "just hate disguised on such". Notice how he says that at least on Twitter the criticism is just hate. He's deliberately making it look like the critical community is just a bunch of deranged Twitter users who just hate Viv cuz they are jealous or something, when looking at sites such as Reddit, Youtube, Tumblr, etc you'll see people with ACTUAL PROBLEMS with the shows, by AyyLmao's ignoring that in order paint the critical community as a toxic hell-hole. He pretends to be neutral in the video but he clearly is biased with how he paints the critics here, as he only focuses on this one site just to make it look like the critical community is just an annoying vocal minority on Twitter. and because of that, the fandom views the critical community as just that; just an annoying vocal minority of Twitter users who shouldn't be taken seriously.
The fandom just refusing to engage with people's critiques because they can't handle criticism of their favorite shows. That's pretty obvious.
I don't think the fandom will get better any time soon given these factors I just mentioned. Until Viv learns to accept criticism, until Viv drama channels stop defending her bullshit, and until the fandom actually engages with people's critiques rather than sending death threats...ya no this fandom is still going to be awful.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#hazbin hotel criticism#spindlehorse critical#spindlehorse criticism
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You know when looking at Octavia,she's just a teenager who is trying to have a good life and is afraid her father will left her. I mean,I get her attitude is sometimes can't be related but we have to know,that poor girl is just a child. A teenager. I can't imagine why some of the audiences and Brandon would hate her. It's not like she asked for it,she's just afraid blitzo will take stolas away from her. And she's already been through enough.
Honestly,if I were in that show,I would adopt Octavia and give her the best best ever hug she needs. And also,I think this song suited us who wants her to have a good life away from stolas and those who wants to harm via:
https://youtu.be/0xgaqhe5QiM?si=pHzmUb9xoMwYmjQR
https://youtu.be/pBfbC27JaFY?si=DYWnxhU4A9Mo0uUu
https://youtu.be/v8jJD15-E6o?si=icEVeaOV7qPe9sxJ
https://youtu.be/qOW9l6m0FLY?si=_j_FtVv5cBartU3_
That is what Octavia is. She's just a teenager going through a hard experience, afraid that her dad might leave her for his fuck buddy...
...and people are demonizing her because she dared get mad at Stolas. Girl did NOTHING wrong, yet, like with the other people Stolas hurt, she's vilified.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#anti stolas#octavia deserves better
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So I just finished the first season of MHA. I'll just give my thoughts on each arc so far:
Entrance Exam Arc: It was a long time since I watched this one so I don't remember much, but I do remember enjoying it quite a bit. A good introduction to the show, 8/10
Quirk Test Arc: Continues off the last arc quite well. A bit weird that Bakugo is surprised that Midoria has a quirk given what he saw him do last arc but aside from that, there's nothing wrong with this one, 7.5/10/
Battle Trial Arc: We get a lot of really cool fights here and it's a good starting point for Bakugo and Midoryia's rivalry. The stuff for Bakugo as a character and that rivalry is fairly interesting as well, there's a lot of tension between the two. 8/10.
USJ Arc: Best one so far. I could make a whole post about this one so I'll just keep it short; it's a great climax to the first season and it's the first major challenge the students have to face. The League of villains are threatening antagonists in this arc and it raises the stakes because we know exactly what they are capable of. The students also get to see what kind of threats pro heroes have to face every day, and how dangerous a villain can truly be.
Also, characters get injured in this arc. Like. REALLY BADLY. It adds so much stakes and tension to fights and this whole arc. We also get some of the best fights in the show so far. Ya, I REALLY liked this one, 9/10.
So ya, MHA is pretty great so far, 8/10. Now onto season 2...
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It baffles me the lengths the fandom/writers will go to just to make stolitz problems look like it's everyone's fault except Stolas. Stella, who has a right to be angry? Lobotomize her, remove her personality. Blitzø calling him out for using him and forcing him into the arrangement? "Noooo, it's a misunderstanding. he loved him all along" (barf). Octavia? God, it's so gross how they treat her.
I swear I'm living in bizzaro world because how can there be so many people defending this man, to the point where a fan song's lyrics were changed by the creator to try (and fail) to make this character sympathetic
The show & the fandom have this strange insistence on completely ignoring and absolving Stolas' mistakes and treating him as an UwU soft boy who did "nothing wrong". They made Stella abusive solely so they could use her as a scapegoat and that's pretty much it.
It's why the show demonizes the characters who Stolas hurt, it can't admit that Stolas is a bad or flawed person because it wants to keep him sympathetic. Really the show should've never tried to make Stolas sympathetic in the first place and actually make him a flawed character that eventually grows as a person.
But we can't have interesting writing in Viv's shows, can we?
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#anti stolas#anti stolitz
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My comment was inspired by a post about a similar palette between Carmilla and Veggie, let’s move on to the topic. As an artist, it’s painful and embarrassing for me to look at the palette of characters from Hazbin Hotel, literally all characters in Vivzypop have the same palette, stop at a moment where the whole group is together and you will see how everyone is the same, it’s just red, pink, yellow, and a white mess, only ones that are different are Vox, Zestial, Adam, and Sera (I don't know if Lute and Emily count, since they have a similar palette to Adam and Sera), you won't find purple, green, and yellow characters in series, and so on, Hotel Hazbin has no color variety at all, and as an artist Vivzypop should be ashamed of this, poor people with poor eyesight cannot distinguish characters at all, let alone some colorblind people
Ya a lot of the characters have mostly the same color pallet and I can see why it might be an annoying design choice to some especially to color-blind people.
#vivziepop critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#vivziepop criticism#helluva boss criticism#hazbin hotel criticism
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Hazbin fans: "Charlie looks nice but she could also be mean🥺🥺"
Also Charlie: refuses to help angel dust from Valentino cause she thought she was being "too mean" although being extremely powerful as Lucifer (and y'all know how powerful he is, mf could be at his bald ass in a sitting) and during the finale she is constantly saying "sorry sorry sorry" as she kills exorcists, like be for real they'll probably respawn in heaven or some shit they're all ready dead 💀💀💀
As much as I like Charlie she is not badass and takes way too much time to actually help people cause when she's actually supposed to take things seriously it's supposedly "rude and mean"
Wow, great writing Viv...
The sad part is that pilot Charlie wasn't like this.
Like girl was willing to throw hands with Katie Killjoy lmao, GIVE ME BACK PILOT CHARLIE!!!!
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