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flower-boi16 · 2 days

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It baffles me the lengths the fandom/writers will go to just to make stolitz problems look like it's everyone's fault except Stolas. Stella, who has a right to be angry? Lobotomize her, remove her personality. Blitzø calling him out for using him and forcing him into the arrangement? "Noooo, it's a misunderstanding. he loved him all along" (barf). Octavia? God, it's so gross how they treat her.

I swear I'm living in bizzaro world because how can there be so many people defending this man, to the point where a fan song's lyrics were changed by the creator to try (and fail) to make this character sympathetic

The show & the fandom have this strange insistence on completely ignoring and absolving Stolas' mistakes and treating him as an UwU soft boy who did "nothing wrong". They made Stella abusive solely so they could use her as a scapegoat and that's pretty much it.

It's why the show demonizes the characters who Stolas hurt, it can't admit that Stolas is a bad or flawed person because it wants to keep him sympathetic. Really the show should've never tried to make Stolas sympathetic in the first place and actually make him a flawed character that eventually grows as a person.

But we can't have interesting writing in Viv's shows, can we?

#vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical #vivziepop criticism #helluva boss criticism #anti stolas #anti stolitz

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moistrodent · 12 days

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Nature is healing 🙏

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bump-inthe-night · 2 months

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People are losing interest in Helluva Boss because Vivziepop abandoned the original premise of it being an edgy comedy about imp assassins to instead make it a romantic drama centered around Stolitz, with Stolas being a pathetic, woobified character who wallows in self-pity as he obsesses over Blitzo, who’s blamed by the writing for not returning his feelings.

Fans have defended Vivziepop abandoning the original premise by claiming it would’ve gotten "boring," which isn’t true considering there are shows that have been on for far longer that stuck to one premise and remained entertaining. A good example is Total Drama, an animated series that has 9 seasons, all of which are centered around contestants competing in challenges to win $1 million. The writing has kept people entertained for 17 years and has created an active fandom that adores the show.

If Vivziepop was a decent writer, she could’ve done the same with the original premise of Helluva Boss instead of abandoning it for a lamer one centered around Stolitz, a poorly written ship that even shippers are tired of being the main focus.

#anti vivziepop #vivziepop critical #helluva boss critical #anti stolas #anti stolitz

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helloimamistake · 15 days

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Honestly i miss it when stolitz is just a crack ship judging by the pilot and doesn't really have that much angst or whatever random bullshit lore that they have...

Remember when the main theme of helluva boss is about assassins doing their jobs and not an angsty poorly written mlm love story?

What the fuck happened to the lore????

#Anti Stolitz #helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #idk what to tag #helluva boss rant #anti vivziepop #honestly i prefer stolitz more when it's just a crack ship that isn't meant to be taken seriously or have a history with each other #but either way this show is dead to me

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pastellia63 · 4 months

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Oh my! I think i just found the original version of Just Look My Way!

#helluva boss critical #anti stolas #anti stolitz #You know i made this edit as a joke but it's actually scary how much Hellfire fits with this music video

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spopsalt · 4 months

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The way "Look My Way" has no purpose for existing besides being a Stolas pity party. I'm gonna dissect some lyrics I hate.

"A deed we forged to mutual gain." Excuse me while I throw up <3. You mean how Blitzo has to have sex with you or else he won't be able to do his job? Is that what you mean?

"What's left for me and my broken heart, if I cannot have you?" Oh I don't know, maybe your daughter?

"Unless it's me, and no matter what in this world I could give, it's not enough to save you from the walls you've conjured up to live." ....Maybe he doesn't want to date you because you forcing him to have sex with you?

"I don't care if you're of lower station, or primed to state my dark temptations" Ah the hellfire scene, the perfect example on how Stolas fetishizes imps. Also, nobody really seems to have a problem with Stolas and Blitzo being together? Except in Ozzie's, nobody seems to care about it.

"Why can't you understand? Let me explain!" Are you seriously asking him why can't he understand that you love him when you've only shown interest in his body and literally called him your impish plaything.

Yeah I'm not feeling bad for Stolas, this song just made me hate him more <3

#helluva boss salt #helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critique #helluva boss critical #anti stoliz #stolas critical #anti stolas #anti stolitz #stolas hate

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starrclown · 4 months

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☆The vilification of a victim: How toxic Stolitz shippers blamed the victim☆

Ya ever see a post that makes you so mad ya have to rant about it? That's what we're here for Matey's!! I am a Stolitz shipper, my Stolitz. I'm specifying that because I changed everything about cannon Stolitz in my rewrite. I was on a blog post I enjoy and I saw this screenshot from someone on Twitter. (Yes I'm calling it Twitter. Call your daughter by her name then we'll talk about calling it X Elon)

2 problems with this image. Here I'll give you time.

Figure it out? Here.

1. This tweet implies that STOLAS is the one that needs to get away from Blitzø. He needs to have a actual relationship, no string attached. He needs love!! I mean the poor owl has such a mean wife!! He needs love and care!! 🥺🥺!! BLITZØ needs to pull his head out of his ass and stop abusing our poor defenseless owl boy!!

2. Vivziepop liked this tweet.

Incase you didn't catch my sarcasm that first point is absolute bullshit. How the fuck did that person rationalize in their head that, Stolas, the one that started the deal, set the conditions, and continued to break Blitzø's personal boundaries. (This is completely off topic but it annoys me that at the end of Loo Loo Land we never actually see Stolas pay Blitzø.) I'm sorry but what? Hi, ARE WE WATCHING THE SAME SHOW??? How the hell did you rationalize that BLITZØ, is the abuser!! Dude if this deal ends then Stolas loses nothing. He still has money, he still has his title, he still has his job. BLITZØ WILL LITTERALY LOSE HIS BUISNESS!! HE, LOONA, MILLIE, AND MOXXIE WILL BE OUT OF A JOB!! Blitzø is screwed if this deal ends. I really hate how that person implies that Stolas is the one that needs a relationship with no strings attached when Blitzø is the one being sexually explotied. The fact that Vivzie liked it only amplifies that that's how we should be seeing the relationship. It just makes me sad.

(This is short and bittersweet because my next post is gonna be explaining MY rewrite Stolitz!! Can't wait to gush about them!!)

- ⭐️StarClown⭐️

#helluva boss critical #helluva boss criticism #vivziepop critical #vivziepop criticism #anti stolas #anti stolitz

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flower-boi16 · 3 months

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Can we talk about the fact that TOH, a kid's show that aired on the Disney channel, has an unironically a better gay/sapphic relationship with Lumity than either of these "adult shows"?

Lumity is an incredibly well-developed ship; Its gradually built up throughout season 1 and season 2A and they don't drag the shit out of it, they are just incredibly cute together. The ship isn't abusive and toxic...

...unlike Stolitz, which is a very toxic ship where the victim is portrayed as the abuser and the abuser is framed as just an UwU soft boy. Another thing about Lumity that makes it a good relationship is the fact that Amity is her own character; she isn't solely defined by Luz, her relationship with Luz is an important part of her character, sure, but she still has a lot of development in the series that makes her a well-developed, three-dimensional character.

Compare that to Chaggie, which while not nearly as bad as Stolitz, still has issues, that being how Vaggie's character entirely revolves around Charlie, she doesn't have any real development outside of that. There is the stuff about her being a fallen angel but we'll have to see what the show does with it to make a full judgment, but the reveal that she is a fallen angel feels too rushed to give her depth.

Vaggie doesn't feel like her own character, she feels like she's completely defined by her relationship with Charlie, and she doesn't have that much of a character outside of that. Amity meanwhile, is her own character beyond her relationship with Luz, even in Season 2 where people say that supposedly Amity became just "Luz's girlfriend", she still had that whole conflict with her parents.

Lumity is infinitely superior to both of these ships guys.

Then again TOH blows HH/HB out of the water in every single aspect so...

#hazbin hotel critical #helluva boss critical #vivziepop critical #helluva boss criticism #hazbin hotel criticism #spindlehorse critical #spindlehorse criticism #the owl house #toh #lumity #amity blight #luz noceda #anti stolitz #anti stolas #anti charlie x vaggie #anti chaggie #vivziepop criticism

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cherrytea556 · 4 months

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Just a simple edit of Octavia, the girl who deserved better

Crack baby -Mitski

(I know she's a rock/metal person but I feel like she'd give mitski a chance at least once)

#helluva boss critical #hb critical #stolitz critical #anti stolitz #stolas critical #octavia #edit #octaviaedit

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starlight-bread-blog · 7 months

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Why Stolas is a Terrible Person/Character

Oh this will be long. In this post I will cover why Stolas is a character that fundamentally fails at everything it tries to accomplish. I probably have to say that you can love Stolas. That's just why I hate him.

Trigger warnings for: Racism, casteism, power dynamics, sexual assault, sa apologism, abuse, and neglectful parenting. A lot, I know, but that's Stolas.

His Actions in S1

Despite the title, there will be two examples from season 2.

Racism/Casteist

Stolas is from the upper caste, a royal. He seem to often fetishize imps, or the fact that he's sleeping with someone who's less than him. I even saw fans pointing this out. He have empathized Blitzø being an imp in a sexual context.

(Notice the use of words: "little", "plaything", to me this is blatant racism and fetishism).

He also showed a certain lack of empathy for his imp butler.

Stolas isn't particularly violent, he doesn't choke people left and right. He's just angry, at Stella, so he decides to.. choke the imp.

Stolas has been dehumanizimg imps. Fetishizing an imp for being an imp, calling him an "impish little plaything", and he has been willing to choke an imp just because he was angry at something unrelated. He's racist and casteist.

Treatment of Blitzø

"Treatment" is putting it lightly. In the first episode, Stolas does something inexcusable that will taint their dynamic for all of season 1. First, he sees Blitzø in a vulnerable position, where he cannot think or negotiate. Thus, stripping him of what little choice he has on what he's about to offer.

What Stolas is saying is, "Fuck me or I'll shut down your business". This deal he makes is just a threat with extra steps. Which, is a real life abuse tactic called Quid Pro Quo:

"Quid pro quo harassment occurs when someone in a position of authority over another directly or indirectly demands sexual favors in exchange for some benefit, or to avoid some detriment in the workplace".

One element I haven't brought up yet, is the political power imbalance. Stolas is royalty, one with a lot of power, influence, credibility, etc. Blitzø has non of that. Other characters have commented on that the fact that Blitzø even has a business is a miracle.

There are so many layers of imbalance and how Blitzø has no choice or agency. A royal is """offering""" the powerless a Quid Pro Quo while he's in a life threatening situation.

And their dynamic looks exactly like you'd imagen. Stolas is consistently sexualizing him against his consent. (As it's been established, Stolas's racism feeds into this). And refuses to do the surface level courtesy, not even calling him his real name (x).

Stolas treats Blitzø as a lesser being, violates his boundries, forces himself on him, and strips him of all autonomy.

Faliure as a Father

Stolas's role as a father is directly tackled in Loo Loo Land and Seeing Stars. At the beginning, both episodes show Stolas being a good father to Octavia, but does this still hold true in the currect day? Well, no.

In Loo Loo Land, Stolas wants to take Octavia to a theme park. Octavia is 17, and Stolas ignores her when she says she doesn't want to go. (In retrospect, Stolas coud be oblivious because he's projecting onto Via his experience meeting Blitzø).

But that's just the start. Stolas then invites Blitzø to the trip and harasses with him all throughout. Essentially, Stolas is forcing his daughter to watch as he harasses "the homewrecker", all the while he's supposed to be with her, on a trip she didn't even want to go to.

After a whole day of this, as expected, Octavia runs away. Stolas chases her. (And of course, he's still thinking of Blitzø on his way to find Via). There's an apology scene that looks deep, but when you dissect it, it's rather empty.

Stolas never actually provided an explanation as to why he just did what he did, nor of the "drama" with Stella. There is nothing here. Octavia only makes up with him because he said he isn't gonna leave her. Which is bare minimum.

After he realizes that his affair hurts his daughter to the point where she feared he's gonna leave her, what does he do? What practical actions does he take to improve? Divorce Stella? Cut off his deal with Blitzø? Explained the situation?

Nothing. And now we see he's willing to stand up on a stage and let people know.

In Seeing Stars, Stolas bashes Via's mother to her. Which, does she know about their situation? Does she not? She isn't shown to hate or.. anything Stella. Is he hiding the situation (which I'll cover), while also trashing her mother? That's impulsive and negligent.

But that's nothing. She later runs away, Stolas is stressed as he should be, but the second they arravie on earth he's all calm and everything's normal.

When his daughter is missing. When he is shown to be stressed, it's for the sake of plot. But he's willing to just chill, watching Blitzø's show.

Stolas is, dare I say it, neglectful. He might care about his daughter, but he's proven that she's not enough of a priority to focus on her when it matters.

Cheating

Yes, I know what ended up being revealed, I'll cover that. In season 1, the relationship is presented to not be perfect before Stolas cheated.

But there were instances that showed that what Stolas did changed their relationship for the worse. (Some additional rebuttals).

It could have been a loveless marrige, they could hae fallen out of love, they could have been arranged. But their relationship was manageable. Love or no love, it's a committed relationship. and Stella didn't deserve to get cheated on.

Who was Stolas?

Stolas's behavior is common among royals. Stella has no problem throwing said butler at Stolas (S1 E2), and the Goetias are shown to be casteist. They're untouchable privileged assholes.

Stolas was born that wealth, never having to suffer the consequences of his actions. Always putting himself first, hurting others. He doesn't mean to, he wants for everyone to be happy, he does care.

However, when it actually matters, he acts on his worst tendecises with no self control. He never had to learn self control. That is, until Ozzie's.

Before Ozzie, Blitzø and Stolas are at obligation. Stolas's actions had tainted them. There was one redeemable moment: He saved Blitzø's life. Stolas did something for him. But this one act of goodness doesn't magically fix anything.

Stolas's family life have been escalating. Stella hated Stolas for cheating and his daughter just had to take it. In Loo Loo Land, he learns the full weight of the damage he caused. And in the next episode we see him, he proceeds to take no steps to improve the situation. In the end of that same episode, we learn that Stella hired an assasin after him. Because he did nothing.

The season 1 finale, Ozzie's, is aware of all of this and absolutly delivers.

The episode starts with seeing Stolas alone, in his big house, miserable. It appears that Stella finally left the house. (Also he later says "Octavia is with her mother this weekend"). He's eating a bowl of cereal, pitying himself, wallowing in his despair. You feel bad for him, he looks so torn down.

And then Blitzø calls. The one he loves, asks him on a serious date. It's hope, it's honest, and it's exactly what he wanted. It's almost as if the universe handed him is fairytale scenario.

Almost. Reality smacks him right in the face on that date. Asmodeus calls him out on losing everything he had. He had a family, a happy daughter, but gave it all up for an affair.

Blitzø calls him out on treating him like a pet, not earning any of that emotional connection he wants or even communicating it, just violating him, they have nothing.

The show held him accountable and called him out. While it's not perfect, Stolas is a morally grey character. Now, a character arc was set up where he learns to treat people better. Stolas is exactly the character I want to see from a show like Helluva Boss. He's a horrible person, but nuanced, who does care.

Season 2

Yeah... all of that is thrown out the window. Because apparently, Stolas is just imperfect. He simply made a lot of mistakes. He misread a lot of situations, really it's all just an accident. He's an oblivious victim. So, let's get into the woobification of Stolas.

Surrounded by Evil

In The Circus we're given Stolas's ✨️backstory✨️. And we find out he had such a terrible life.

Stella is, and always was, an abusive evil bitch. From the day she was born. Pure evil.

So you see, Stolas did nothing wrong. Let me be clear, you are not obligated to stay loyal to your abuser. We can erase "cheater" off the list. But that's the only reason why it's done. So we can erase that off the list, and that we could feel oh-so-sad for him.

Because Stella isn't written to be an abuser. She's a cartoonishly evil. We see a picture of her as a kid where she's the same person. Spongebob villians have more depth than her, you know, the abuser in the adult show.

Helluva Boss reversed an established dynamic where Stella is the victim and Stolas is at fault, except without any of the depth or nuance.

But that's not all. Stolas's dad (Paimon) is also neglectful. By "neglectful" I mean, of course, a Saturday-morning cartoon villain.

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He doesn't remember his name. This is such bullshit. I can buy Stolas having a horrible father. It's also not bad to show Stolas's trauma. What is bad is that the subject matter is handled with less seriousness as the fish fight in Spring Broken. And Helluva Boss did write Crimson as a serious abuser, the episode did have comedy, but not Paimon.

The reason why all of this is happening, is so we could feel bad for Stolas. They do zero of the work to earn a good story about abuse, but still go "Do you see how sad he is? Look at how they're treating this poor baby!!"

"Recontextualization"

In said ✨️backstory✨️, we also learn that Stolas and Blitzø are childhood friends. But also not really, they just hung out for one day. Where did this come from? How does that enrich the characters? I would tell you, but I don't know. However, what I'm sure of, is that it's done to make Stolas look less problematic.

DO YOU SEE HOW CUT THIS IS? He isn't just horny for that imp, he is special, it's absoultly pure! Don't worry, totally safe.

Later in the flashback, we see how Blitzø and Stolas reconnected after over 20 years. Apparently... Blitzø was the one who sexually manipulated Stolas, selling him that he wants him.

All Stolas did was just buying into Blitzø's narrative he was imposed on. It's a role he leaned into, because he thought Blitzø liked it. I.. WHAT???

If this horseshit is true, why did he make this weird r*pe deal with Blitzø? If Blitzø was the one who acted like he's interested at first, and he was sexually exploiting him, why did he lash out at Stolas in Ozzie's? Did it just hold no weight for Stolas? It went from "Don't pretend to have something when you've been harassing me this whole time" to "You misunderstood".

The Stolitz backstory makes no sense, it's cheap, and fixes nothing. No matter what the story is trying to sell, in season 1 Stolas knew what's happening enough to try to force it. And maybe Stolas wanted Blitzø because of a connection, he still harassed, dehumanized and violated him.

Note: Stolas realizing "he imagened the relationship" is completely ignored one episode later in Seeing Stars. This is a huge deal, didn't he learn? Just further evidence that he's willing to violate the guy. (x)

Before this backstory, we had a story of a selfish man hurting the person he loves while explointing the broken system and the power that he has over him for his own selfish desires that he's forcing on him. Now, we have the same thing, but with fanfic tropes – and the story refuses to confront that.

Casteism is Brushed Off

Helluva Boss pretends that Stolas isn't racist, because he didn't want Blitzø for being an imp, but for being his fanfic trope childhood friend. Which fails to adress the disgusting fetishism of Blitzø for being an imp, and he also continued to dehumanize his imp butler in Seeing Stars. He's still racist.

Imperfect Father

In The Circus, Stolas devivers this line: "The only reason I have endured your constant insults and cruelty, was for that girl to have a normal life".

Sounds impressive, he stayed all these years just for his daughter. But that's the thing – it sounds impressive. Every time their relationship is the focus, Stolas is being the scum of the earth. What I see here, is a person. A person who despite being willing to stay passive, acts on his his selfish wants, forgetting to look around him. Mind you, this fact is also being revealed one episode after Ozzie's.

But no, one episode later, in Seeing Stars – that was covered as a prime example of everything I just descriped – Loona says this:

Yeah. He's just a good father "trying" his "best" and makes some.. "mistakes". The Circus did present Stolas as this, but Seeing Stars really solidified how his parenting will be handled moving forward. And I think it's comlete and utter dogshit.

Damsel in Distress

The title is a bit misleading. This section is mainly about Stolas's power being toned down. Both magical and in presentation.

In season 1, he was energetic and enthusiastic, while being able to set his foot down and intimidate when needed. He's still all of those things, but in some instances his characterization made my raise an eyebrow.

In Seeing Stars, he's being weirdly gentle with people kidnapping Blitzø and are later beatting him.

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In Oops, he's excited to start negotiating with literal kidnappers. I have no idea why he's so nice.

(He did harass Blitzø again in Seeing Stars and bashed Striker, all of which isn't soft, but it's also the two moments where he should have shut up).

Further more, both of these conflict rely on Stolas not using his powers for some reason or another. Why didn't he just do whatever he did in Truth Seekers to track Fizz/Via?

About Via, I'm gonna have to call bullshit on the "My powers are limited on earth" nonsense because, for starters, kid Stolas is shown to remember the contents of his books and now he's been studying them for years. And two,

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There is no excuse for Stolas to not use his powers and whenever the show says otherwise it's bullshitting its way out of it.

Even in Western Energy, before Stolas gets captured he was just aimlessly going in and out of his demon form. Why didn't he turn him into stone like he did in Loo Loo Land?

Stolas has been presented as weaker than he is. He's made to look more vulnerable, less "above it all". He was untouchable, and when he wasn't, it had a harder impact and made sense. Now, I almost forgot he's a powerful demon.

And his characterization is at the core of this issue. At times he's just so kind and gentle with people who should get smacked in their heads.

What about Ozzie's

The big clash, the one that called Stolas out on everything, the one that set him on a genuine path to grow, what about it? How is it adressed while the show tries to pretend he's a good person?

No, not the message Stolas is looking at, the ones in the background he just scrolled through.

I'm not breaking this down. I refuse. The only reason I put it here is to show how fast it goes. I'm not touching that.

Who is Stolas

Stolas is a moral scapegoat – "a character that is bad, but the book/movie/show portrays them as good". It's characterized by the story twisting itself to make one character look good.

Stolas didn't start out as one, but became one over one season premire and it just kept escalating from there.

Helluva Boss takes place in Hell. A horrible place filled with horrible people, the root of all evil. Stolas fits right in there. He was already problematic, awful, fed into Helll's broken system. Why trying to cover up his faults? It's Hell, and it was great. But now, we're supposed to pretend he's just flawed.

With the show actively ignoring everything he did, what's left for him? What does he have to learn? How will he grow as a person? How will he improve? What's his character arc? It's nothing. Because everything that happens to him isn't his fault, and at times could just be solved with one conversation.

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moistrodent · 2 months

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All the Queer relationships in HB are basically just built on sex. Wait stolitz isn’t a relationship that’s stolas r*ping someone of a much lower class, and that sex is VITAL to keeping his r*pe victim’s job!!! Awesome representation!!!

HB shouldn’t have been included in a queer show award. Like…what the fuck.

#helluva boss criticism #helluva boss critical #anti helluva boss #anti stolitz #stolitz critical #anti vivziepop #vivziepop critical #vivziepop critique #tw sa

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sir-subpar · 5 months

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I see a lot of people is the Helluva Critical tag talk about why Stolitz is a bad relationship. I agree.

I just noticed something that I don't see talked about much, that's related to it.

I see people talk about stolas pressuring blitzo into the "fornicate with me for the grimoire" deal, the constant pushing of boundaries, the constant talking down to Blitz, Etc

But there's was one moment that in particular drives me absolutely bonkers, and it's this:

Stolas talking down to Blitz while putting his cigar/cigarette out on his head

I still wish that he was the antagonist of the series instead of Blitzo's supposed "love interest".

Anyway! I'm going to be releasing some original art again soon!

Just because I don't want to be entirely HB/HH blog. I have my issues with the show and whatnot, but this is not the point of my blog. And it really drains me sometimes

#rant post #mini rant #anti stolitz

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