Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel try so hard to be "adult" with excessive sex jokes and swearing that it seems like an edgy teenager wrote it and not an adult, it doesn't help that Vivzie responds to criticism like a child.

Hazbinverse Salt: Stella

Okay I finally gathered my thoughts about why, as a swan aficionado, I dislike Stella's design so much. I'm also going to point out what I would change.

Too much going on while bland at the same time:

On first glance it looks good enough but the more I think abou the more I start to scream internally

So many feathers, face is cluttered, isn't very regal, even her arms (why not make the gloved full length?)

Dress is TERRIBAD

Honestly the design tries so hard it ends up boring

Except for feathers and color palette her design doesn't reflect her basis very well

HER NECK IS TOO SHORT

Either make the dress solid with less feathers and keep the "hair"

Or you could keep the feather dress and make her hair shorter in length

Alternatively turn the hair into a bridal train to symbolize her purpose

Also if her (assumedly full-blood) brother is a peacock wouldn't it make more sense for her to be a peahen?

Eh I'd make her a mixed species; and also include peafowl feathers as part of the dress or an accessory

Long hair + big ass lashes + crown = cluttered face

Again I would shorten the hair length or style it differently

SHORTEN THOSE EYELASHES

Somebody pointed out that her lashes are so long they literally blend into to the background

Change the eyes back to pilot's blue to match Andre & pop out from all the pink&purple

Silhouette isn't very regal

For someone groomed to be royalty she doesn't look like it

HER NECK IS TOO SHORT WHERE'S THAT GRACEFUL S SHAPE SWANS ARE KNOWN FOR

Amp up the design to be Victorian/Edwardian inspired: that's when circuses really blew up in popularity; fits the circus theme of Hazbin

Some historical refs I found

See one of them even has feathers!

Instead of a gradient top make it a solid color and the top layer of skirt the same color; end with a gradient or keep it solid

Change the bottom layer to a lighter purple or pink

Lack of dark colors makes her evil less conspicuous

Probably stripes or a star pattern her name means star after all

Keep the short sleeves

The more evil Stella grows the darker her palette becomes; maybe more plums and maroons with hot pink

Cluttered Face AND hair = mess

See above

Again I'd keep the head hairless and change the eyes to short lashes and blue orbs

If Goetia shouldn't she have celestial motifs?

Have a star shaped crown or jewellery

Make her palette sunset themed

Since Stella means star have her wear solar themed clothing at times

at least SOME heat based power to contrast her brother's ice; since she is demonic royalty I guess she should have some magical power

Having a bit of power shows that she is more of a threat than given credit for; justifies why she's an equal match for Stolas

IT FITS HER PERSONALITY

Adds a sense of tragedy: her power never recognized for their potential due to outdated ideals of hell

Which in turn legitimizes Charlie's crusade; changing Hell for the better would prevent future situations like Stella

Tragically, Stella succumbs to her flaws instead of growing out of them; tragic, complex villain instead of a cartoon caricature for wittle ol' woobie owl to overcome

Aaaand that's about it. I might draw my dream look for Stella. I think as someone who's supposed to be a villain she should've had a way better design. The Pretty Pink Princess turns out to be a total witch. Cool concept, uncool execution.

The new Mammon and Fizz episode has been released and I wanna put my two cents in.

The palette is oooof........ One of the most "hard to watch" HB episodes. Seriously, hasn't anyone told Vivzie that her colour choices are just utterly failed?

Mammon was simply annoying and cringe, especially considering he's one of the highest "demons". He curses every few seconds, has an Australian accent and is some kind of a rock star(because......because). Oh yeah, he's also a very bad guy, cuz he disrespects women! Also I find it funny that Vivzie said in one of her tweets that she apologizes the fans wouldn't like him, as he's "fat and ugly". In reality, he's just a typical Vivziepop-ish male character, having sharp teeth and eyes without pupils. And his "fatness" is just looking like a Christmas tree with a round body.

Overdetailed backgrounds and sloppy animation, as always. Some moments look reeeeeally stiff. Maybe Vivzie starts drawing easier backgrounds and make characters with less details so the animation was better and faster to produce? Just dreaming.......

The songs are just generic tasteless pop-stuff. Gosh, I just wish they have a better composer cuz it's tiring to hear these cheap pop tunes every time. Maybe get some real rock or something with synthesizer........ I don't know.....

The background characters in this episode look much less like some early Deviantart furry OCs or cosplay freaks, which is a real plus. Take some cuties:

Hee hee goat boy

Hee hee goat girl(kinda accurate to the demonology, love it).

I really like the left amphibia girl, she's so pretty. Also yeah, bg characters really look better than in previous episodes. Almost like they were drawn by someone who actually knows their job well and doesn't make every person look like different art style or different teenager's OC.

Fizz being tired to be a clown for entertainment, having panic attacks, dealing with crazy fans and a shitty boss was honestly a good idea but the final song was just too weak to handle it. If it was done better, it would be really good.

The sigh language kid is cute and it was interesting to see a disabled person being cheered and supported by another disabled person.

Oh wow Viv made another female characters whose entire personality is being bitchy and arrogant(even to each other, though they're sisters they're calling each other whore, bitch etc.). Can't wait for the fanbase to hate these two or lust for them in the worst way possible.

Though there were actually some beautiful and......esthetic frames.

Am I the only one who never understood why Fizzarolli is considered a sex icon in this show? Like, yeah, Mammon said that he'll exploit his "clown employee" in every way possible and it's all for money, but I still don't get the whole "having tons of sex dolls based on him" thing. Who in sanity would buy a sex doll of Fizz? He looks like a stick with limbs and painted face, which is somehow considered sexy by Vivzie or her fans? Wouldn't it be more logical for a woman to be a sex icon? Lots of real women, including teen idols, were sexualized and fetishized for media by their producers and shown as beauty icons. But I just couldn't imagine the same with males. Like, I'm sorry, but to me Fizz who's a circus performer, celebrity and a sex icon is in the same category as Angel Dust who's a porn star, stripper and prostitute at the same time.

I'm very glad there wasn't much Blitzo.

It's funny that this girl looks like a better design for Loona than Loona herself, lmao.

It's actually a progress to see that Vivzie didn't fetishize a romantic relationship between two men and actually showed them as a loving couple which doesn't talk about sex and cocks every five seconds. She actually has put some unexpected effort in it.

Oh wait she didn't—

It's really unfair that when the characters go to moxxie's hometown the episode gets to be all about him but when they visited millie's family the episode was about everyone but her

Yeah to be honest my main issue with Helluva Boss is how godamn rushed it is. The storylines get shoved out the door inhumanly quickly before we literally have a chance to even know the characters or come to terms with new information. Here's Octavia, in the same episode she has an emotional breakdown about her parent's terrible marriage (that we've seen... literally one scene of?) and a big resolution moment of relationship healing with her dad. Uh... cool. Glad that's.... sorted? Am i supposed to take any of this with magnitude? I don't know these characters, we're on episode 2, this conflict was literally only just shown to me and now it's resolved i guess, why do i care?

Good, bad, idk

Ya know there are shows I'll watch and at the end just be like "there's alot of interesting stuff but like some stuff was just sketchy"

And perhaps if something is making you question abt the show's intention, maybe the problem is the writing. Like no matter what the show is, if they are doing the show in a way they want it to be, then they're doing pretty well; even if the show is trying to smth I just don't like/hate. Also including what to take seriously and what to take as a joke appropriately.

One of my favourite is bojack horseman as it shows clearly in everything how bojack is a shitty person yet sympathise with his messed up childhood and same going with his mother. I don't feel like I need to question who's good or bad or did they do the right thing cos the show makes it clear in the way the flashbacks, the music, the words and dreams/hallucinations that bojack isn't simply bad or good, it's clear when he's doing smth that's wrong and it's clear when he's trying to be better and it's clear that alot of things from the past will affect your behaviour and other people still later on.

It's hard to get what to take seriously if shows will joke about killing, violence, insults, harassment ect. yet tries to be serious about things usually relationships and how they treat the ones close to them.

And an example for this for me is helluva boss. It's an interesting concept w alot of potential characters and plot. But it seems so muddled as they joke usually abt characters treating other characters poorly then try to be serious abt the relationship like blitz and loona or stella and stolas. There's probably be more to make it clearer, but while the back story is sympathetic to the characters it just clashes w the characters actions they were joking abt before.

Tho they joke abt bojack being a jerk, it's at least brought up later to be taken seriously like Sarah Lynn having sex w bojack or bojack putting todd down.

Buuuuut idk what you think

Edit: going back to helluva boss s2 episode 1 had a scene that was so off putting.

The show's been joking abt how stolas is so horny for blitzo and then show how actually stolas really wants to connect w blitzo on a personal level, smth he hasn't seem to be able to do w anyone.

His only other positive relationship seems to be octavia which even then he struggles with.

But then they show in the flashback stolas talking w blitz for the first time in decades and blitz clearly eyeing the book.

And yet stolas is really uncomfortable w blitz coming onto him and then all of a sudden excited abt it. And then saying how happy this was happening w his first (and probably only) friend.

Yet the way they showed the scene done poorly. This seemed honestly so heartbreaking and shocking, yet dramatic music seems to play only when risking the stolas will see the book and joking abt stolas being aroused; and even the big heavenly music when stolas got aroused.

There's nothing on how uncomfortable stolas was or how stolas was so desperate to be with someone that wants him and that someone being one of his happier childhood memories. It's not surprising how much of a reaction he got when it's clear he's been in a marriage w no love and seemingly no friends or close family.

The way they were showing this scene just felt so wrong for smth so awful happening. ESPECIALLY after the episode abt how blitz desperately wants a healthy loving relationship that he couldn't deal w stolas and stolas so desperately wanting to just be w blitz without sex being involved.

Stella 🤝 Gabriel: Being interesting characters that COULD have been fun complex intimidating villains but were instead ruined by bad writing

Not Helluva boss fans being Antis and dissing Stovia☠️☠️

How can you be a Helluva Boss Fan and be a Anti?!!!

Fic rec: this is a crack fic with an improbable premise (Alastor hires IMP because he wants to get Vox a birthday gift) but the way the author wrote Blitzø's POV on Alastor is *chef's kiss*/aldldk he doesn't know how lucky he is that Alastor can't read minds

https://archiveofourown.org/works/55015480

Fic link!

The only thing that makes this fic funnier than this particular author's profound talent at writing absolutely hysterical crack fic is the fact that I do not have the foggiest fucking idea what any of these Ikea items are, including the one that Alastor wanted IMP to get him.

10/10, I'm fucking cackling @soot-and-salt your works are LOVELY

The way "Look My Way" has no purpose for existing besides being a Stolas pity party. I'm gonna dissect some lyrics I hate.

"A deed we forged to mutual gain." Excuse me while I throw up <3. You mean how Blitzo has to have sex with you or else he won't be able to do his job? Is that what you mean?

"What's left for me and my broken heart, if I cannot have you?" Oh I don't know, maybe your daughter?

"Unless it's me, and no matter what in this world I could give, it's not enough to save you from the walls you've conjured up to live." ....Maybe he doesn't want to date you because you forcing him to have sex with you?

"I don't care if you're of lower station, or primed to state my dark temptations" Ah the hellfire scene, the perfect example on how Stolas fetishizes imps. Also, nobody really seems to have a problem with Stolas and Blitzo being together? Except in Ozzie's, nobody seems to care about it.

"Why can't you understand? Let me explain!" Are you seriously asking him why can't he understand that you love him when you've only shown interest in his body and literally called him your impish plaything.

Yeah I'm not feeling bad for Stolas, this song just made me hate him more <3

Rewrite vs. Canon: Helluva Boss

ACTUALLY HAVE THEM GO ON MISSIONS

Keep the personal drama stuff in the background as sideplots or special episodes

Have them challenge the caste system like example Stolas realizing his own biases

Give Millie more personality outside her marriage to Moxie.

Change Human!Stolas' design

Have Striker a credible reason for taking up Stella's offer like he is nowhere near poor as we're led to believe in canon so give him some true grievances

Not HB exclusive but give Lucifer a better design "we can't all be white twinks!"

You know as a former member of Vivziepop's cult and yes its a cult not a fandom anymore I am disgusted by a majority of the people in it.

Like someone on the subreddit brought up it being kinda tasteless or fucked that they sold sexy Stella merch in bdsm gear when she's abused Stolas physically. The post was deleted quickly and judging by my experiences in the fandom people were stanning Viv or harassing OP and that has got me thinking.

Why is Stella in bdsm gear? Like Stolas and Blitzo are canonically into it yet you give the abuser that...

Like isn't a bit fucked that instead of choosing the canonical practicioners in your show you choose to put someone who uses pain not to pleasure but to slowly break and hurt someone.

We know Vivziepop has a merch rep so how did that get into production?

I also find it fucked that Vivziepop and crew are attempting to tackle an issue as serious as domestic abuse and do it so poorly by writing Stolas and Stella as bickering children next we see them. Then the staff has the utter gawl to sell merch in general of Stella and the fans buying it up.

Like I understand autograph signings slightly but that's the only merch Stella should have.

Vivziepop's cult loves to claim that they utterly depise Stella and deserves to suffer because she's an abuser so how dare people want nuance or not just a generically evil cartoon villain but the moment she is drawn in a sexy way they start throwing money at that.

Like I just want to know how these people if their friends ask about the character on the pin will explain "Oh this is Stella who's a sexy domestic abuser"

Then again am I surprised when Vivziepop makes merch of a rapist and most of the crew have some weird fascination with Valentino and not in the way that he's their best written villain way more like they are simping over him.

I think a lot of fandoms, especially nowadays, have a lot of genuinely bad people who really need help/therapy but see nothing wrong in what they do or just keep doing that, though they know it ain't okay. That's so frustrating when you can't feel comfortable even in an Internet community. But Viv's "fandom"(I mean exactly these two shows, although Zoophobia also had......not very pleasant people) is surely something........Where'd you find so many blatantly oblivious and blind brown nosers which keep pretending everything's good when there's already tons of red flags from Vivienne? Yeah, that's a rare case. I don't wanna interact with this fandom or even talk about it, tbh. I still watch the show cuz it's fun to see how it manages to be worse with every episode, though sometimes I don't make reviews as many other people do it faster and better and I just have nothing to say(I need to take my jaw from the floor). Regarding Stella - well, I don't know on what principles Viv or her team makes merch with the characters, but aren't all characters being sexualized anyway? They even have merch with Chaz, a guy who, like, died in the same episode. And they keep doing new merch with this jerk. And that's obviously because there are people who simp for him. I don't know if Stella's merch may be an insult to those who practice BDSM, I'm not into it, tbh, and I don't take these things seriously, but I find this just a bland sexualisation. Well, it's "sexy merch", but yeah, Stella's all character is based on being a mean aggressive yelling bitch, and this thing.......it must be a character trait, I guess? Or just a sweet treat for rule34 artists, like most of the stuff Viv does. Again, I don't take all of this seriously, this sexy merch was made to tease and please the simping fans, but there's certainly a part of irony in it. Like, people in this fandom hate Stella so much that they shit on people who simply want her to be a more complex character, and they're........still buying all this stuff. They........enjoy Stella being "hot dommy mommy" and still keep hating her? Ngl, only Viv's fanbase can do that, lol. I've seen this fandom from the start and I can say that many people here always had some weird obsession with Valentino. I even remember some person passive aggressively telling me that "he's just very charismatic and it's your problems if you can't see it". When there were, like........A musical clip and a comic where he just was being an abusive jerk. Yeah, that's a really weird fascination. Also, doesn't one of HH's crew, who is an animator or a director(don't remember correctly), has a rape fetish and has drawn an animatic on their beloved ship Angel/Val? Hella ironic that a show about serious portrayal of trauma and abuse has a crew member(or members) which legit.......find it hot or cute. That's sick af but I guess Viv doesn't care who she hires. Oh, that's definitely not a pit I would like to fall in. I'm not sure there's any hope on Hazbin portraying trauma or mental illnesses properly, but I'll still watch it anyway. Whenever it comes out....

You know what? I’m gonna say it: Thomas Astruc is just the gender-flipped version of VivziePop!

The fact that the Ozzie's conflict got resolved in a text message is infuriating

Helluva stans and Helluva bash accounts are both so annoying like no the show isn't the greatest thing ever or even GOOD (it's absolute shit and Viv is terrible at seeing that) but no Stella isn't betrayed by the narrative and secretely the best character like grow up lmao. Y'all are so fucking immature.