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for people who haven’t read the shadow and bone/ six of crows books, but have seen the show:
- inej ghafa is a survivor of childhood sex trafficking. she has ptsd and reacts in a panic attack at even walking past the menagerie
- kaz’s trauma isn’t just pekka rollins being responsible for jordie’s death, and waking up on the barge. he had to swim to shore, age nine and barely alive, using jordie’s body as a float
- the darkling has done far worse things than are shown on screen. he is not a ‘lost man’ and alina is not his ‘balance’
- alina was seventeen upon the darkling being nsfw/ romantic with her
- matthias helvar did not lead drüskelle, that was jarl brum- matthias is only just barely an adult himself
- the crows are not their own separate gang, they are part of the dregs, who per haskell leads and kaz takes over from haskell after haskell sold out his lieutenant (kaz) to pekka rollins
- zoya, genya, and alina have personalities outside of either being traumatised or hating each other
- alina never wanted any of the power and fame and idolatry, and in the end of the books is stripped of it all. she is very happy about this
- jesper is a gambling addict and somebody who watched the death of his mother
#feel free to add your own#yes i get that the show is to be treated as a fanfic#but it is at times a poorly written fanfic#that erases and ignores major parts of the characters’ backstories#and what makes them them#six of crows#grishaverse#shadow and bone#shadow and bone season two#kaz brekker#inej ghafa#alina starkov#malina#god i hate darklina#darklina hate space#jesper fahey#nina zenik#matthias helvar#wylan hendriks
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On Racism in the Darklina Community
disclaimer: this is less receipt based and just my own personal feelings over the last few days.
With the situation with Christina there was a lot push back and divide between whether or not Merel deserved the vitriol and larger if Darklinas at all deserve the automatic hate and discrediting as fans in this space.
Accusations
There were a lot of responses, and with this I noticed a common theme of accusing Darklinas, in a general sense, of being racist harassers. And I want to discuss it earnestly and genuinely because racism is a very serious thing. So I'm going to show a few tweets and we can go from there (redacted user names because I don't think who is making these accusation is as important as what they're saying).
These come from the same person.
I've explained this before and I stand by it — I don't think any one person should be penalized for the actions of someone else. Full stop. The person who was attacked was - only in the family for a few months, hadn't really interacted with Christina before, etc. But that was hashed out in my previous post.
My real issue came when people asked for proof of these accusations. "I don't have it, I didn't see a reason to screenshot it."
Now this person has since claimed to not be in the Shadow and Bone fandom at all. So lets give the grace and say they thought "not my circus, not my monkey". Right? It's fair. I don't go into other fandoms and screenshot the worst of the worst and put them on blast. But I also don't, months and years later, return and say "oh you're all awful"
I just find it weird. But again. We have no proof here. Not a name to look into. Not a phrase that someone might have said. They said this:
But I just. How are we supposed to know what to search right? If I, over the past three years, have never seen the racism people are talking about. How am I supposed to know what to look for? Who am I looking for? They claim just look it up? Look what up? Racism and Darklina as key terms? All I'm asking for is a name. Literally anything to prove that "oh these people are bad, let me disassociate with them."
Instead, I and anyone who asks for a modicum of evidence or even just 1 name its "i don't know" or "well I didn't think it was important". For years! Like if you don't think it's important to spread awareness about when it happens, or even provide like the standard "this is you?" or just ANYTHING. Then they call us idiot for asking for it.
People are just begging for information. I AM BEGGING for someone to say or show something that can ya know. Justify the claims they're making. That's not insane I don't think. All the time, accusations are put out on the internet. And every time. "Do you have any proof? If not I won't believe you." EVERY TIME. In pop culture off the top of my head — Colleen Balinger v Adam McIntyre. The Ace Family combating sexual assault accusations. Percy Hynes White. Chris D'elia. The list goes on and on. And each time it was like "where are the receipts. Or the receipts are given. Counter-evidence is given. The court of public opinion takes place.
Yet when it's a group of people asking for proof of these actions so they don't interact anymore. It's "you're just like them."
This seemed like such a popular response. So popular for people to think "lol proof? fuck you."
No Proof is Our Fault, I guess
So obviously this person wasn't the only one voicing their opinion. And this person said:
Firstly, I hate that anyone would be harassed because they point out racist actions. I'm sorry, that the one person you showed, did something awful. Truly. I'm sorry that the people in question lashed out at you.
However.
Like I said: if the majority of us didn't see it, right, how are we supposed to call this out?
If we didn't see? We never heard it? So now we're all evil, and are going to attack you? Because we said nothing because we saw nothing?
But it's people like this, who at the same time will go out of their way to quote tweet, and screenshot when they see minor behavior on the timeline.
To the point that bee briefly deleted her account. So it's like, obviously the capacity to call out problematic behavior is there. The willingness to screenshot, quote tweet, and spread around any tweet from a darklina is there.
But when it comes to racism:
"I don't trust you enough to share evidence."
"I didn't think it was important."
When it comes to harassment: crickets.
It's not important until darklinas have a problem with being discredited. It's not important enough to screenshot or report until other parts of the fandom want to have a gotcha moment without providing any instances of racism actually happening.
This is long winded already.
Final Thoughts
Idk man. I just feel frustrated because all I've seen for DAYS is "please tell us who these terrible people are, so we can block and stop interacting with them." and then it turns to "Fuck you, you know what you did."
NO. I don't! None of the people asking for proof know what you're talking about! That's why we're ASKING.
In literally all of my other fandoms, there are similar dramas and accusations. But it never drags on for years because proof is provided! Those people are excommunicated from the larger space! But it just feels like anti-darklina fans are so gun-ho on demonizing EVERYONE because the actions of the few.
If you see racism and harassment, REPORT IT. Screen shot, share why. Say "hey this is problematic." Everyone talks about cancel culture, but when it comes to serious accusations they think solving the issue is hiding it? Refusing to share what was said so people can make sure no one interacts with them or at least make it know that person sucks ass?
At this point it feels like y'all WANT darklinas to be these bad people who say and do awful things. Meanwhile, this year alone, Darklinas have excommunicated several people for defending Ben Barnes and the racist actions he's committed this year. (This is not a BB call out post, but as BB and Darklinas had a lot of overlap, it was something that came up and overwhelmingly Darklinas shamed Ben Barnes and the defenders).
I just wish this fandom was able to collectively acknowledge when someone is being terrible, regardless of their fucking shipping preference. Racism has no place in fan spaces. It never should. (It has no place in real life, either.) And fan spaces should work TOGETHER to expel racists when it's seen. It's called a fandom community for a reason.
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Darklina Masterlist
Last Updated: 15/06/23
My Masterlist
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The Three of Us • Part 2 • Part 3
You’ve managed to locate the mythical Morozova’s stag and have arrived at the Little Palace to share the news. You’re eager to meet the infamous Black General, and to hopefully see your childhood friend Alina.
New Position
A Modern AU. Mr Morozov is notoriously particular regarding his employees. As his newest assistant, your final test is to gain the approval of his wife.
The Rest is History • Part 2 [18+]
After unexpectedly bumping into your old History professor, he asks you to spend the night with him to escape your roommate and her boyfriend. And who are you to turn down such an offer?
Starting Over
One of your colleagues, Mal, brings the head of the Morozov family in for questioning - something you had discouraged him from doing for his own sake.
Spin The Bottle
During a night of drinks at Nikolai’s house, Genya makes the suggestion of playing spin the bottle. There are two particular people in the group that you hope your spin will land on.
Glitter & Gold [18+]
High Society Modern AU. Zoya finally convinces you to join her friends for drinks, but you know that she’s not-so-subtly trying to introduce you to Aleksander and Alina.
Q&A
After filming a historical romance alongside Aleksander and Alina, the three of you are put together for the majority of your interviews during the press tour.
Total Eclipse
Lord Morozova returns to his summer residence earlier than usual - accompanied by his new wife.
Starving, Darling [18+]
Alina invites you over to try some enchanted treats with her. The effects are much stronger than you anticipated, meaning that when her partner Aleksander returns home he finds the two of you in his bed. A sight that he very much wants to be involved with.
Ignite [18+] (dark fic)
Aleksander and Alina return home from a date to find you on their couch, almost completely spaced out as your heat begins. But you’re on suppressants - aren’t you?
Wedding Present [18+]
As Aleksander’s best friend, you’re an integral part of his wedding to Alina, especially when she decides you’re going to be her wedding present to him.
Sweet Treat • Prequel [18+]
King Aleksander and Queen Alina of the Fae kingdom of Ravka have always had a soft spot for you after they found you lost in the woods with little knowledge of the Fae or their rules. From then onwards they have looked after you, welcoming you into their castle and, after some time, into their bed.
Making A Splash [18+]
Aleksander and Alina are well known as the most powerful Grisha, mermaid-like creatures with extraordinary powers. When you’re hired by the man who has captured them, you do everything you can to help them return to the sea.
Game of Survival
Inspired by the Hunger Games. As the only joint victors of the Grisha Games, Aleksander and Alina are your designated mentors - the people who will house you in the capital and help train your power as a star summoner.
Someone Special [18+] (dark fic)
After becoming lost in the forest, you begin to lose hope for your survival. Then you wake in a warm house with two beautiful people doting on you.
Soulmate Comfort
Aleksander and Alina give you the comfort only your soulmates can provide.
At Your Altar [18+]
As the high priestess of the temple of Sankt Aleksander and Sankta Alina, you are the perfect choice when they decide to have a child.
Hate Loving You [18+]
Working for Aleksander and Alina Morozova drives you to insanity and beyond. No one has ever made you feel so frustrated, embarrassed, and unbelievably aroused. Officially you’re their personal driver, but you know deep down that you’re actually just their favourite plaything.
#darklina x reader#aleksander morozova x reader x alina starkov#aleksander morozova x reader#alina starkov x reader#the darkling x reader#the darkling x you#the darkling x y/n#shadow and bone x reader#shadow and bone au
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@lottieurl tagged me to share my unpopular opinions about 5 fandoms!
yellowjackets
love and light but i hate mistynat. like i know people shipped it before nat died but to me it really feels like the momentum started afterwards, surrounding the whole oh no misty accidentally killed the love of her life and she's so sad and it's fucked up and crazy too!!! which sure if that floats your boat go for it. but to me it feels a lot like just a justification for nat's sloppy and narratively unhelpful death. if i didn't feel this strongly about nat's death i might not care as much about mistynat. we all know i'm a natlottietravis girl and it just feels so much more!!!!!! like the narrative is connecting these three people and their actions are all rippling out to affect each other. every single thing natalie does in season 1 is motivated by travis, just like everything she does in 2 is either in opposition to or alignment with lottie. misty just doesn't fit in there at ALL for me. and is actually just a distraction. and i can live with it all unless season three is the Misty Is Sad About Killing Nat season. i will tap out if that's the case. also just overall season 2 was a flop and they better pull something MAGICAL out of their asses to get me to the place i was like pre-2.05
house of the dragon
my main hotd take is that daemon is essential to both the story AND to the existence of rhaenicent. you cannot have one without the other. rhaenyra is shaped by both daemon and alicent from childhood and is tied to them for the rest of her life. removing daemon from that equation or treating him as anything but a person that rhaenyra loves and needs is pointless and a complete misunderstanding of the show. christon sucks ass. alicent is a full on lesbian. larys also sucks ass and there's no juice between him and alicent it is simply creepery.
shadow and bone
i mean this probably isn't too unpopular for my followers but widely just like. darklina is forever and always what that series is about. mal is a useless waste of space who wants what is worst for alina. alina starkov should be allowed to kill and maim and drink aleksander's blood and have nasty insane sex!!!! the ending of ruin and rising is literally a death sentence for her and not in the murder-suicide way that i want!!!!!!!!!
succession
again like i know my mutuals will agree but. romangerri is literally the most important non-sibling dynamic in the entire show and roman's character is so much more more fleshed out and interesting with gerri involved. AND the same goes for gerri. those two are in LOVE love even if they will never know it. they have multiple shoes please esk moments like are you kidding me. roman ceo gerri chair would have been my ideal ending in a dream world
hacks
i hate jimmy and kayla. i like them separately but every time they are onscreen together the entire episode starts dragging and i have to slap myself to stay engaged. the weird sexual harrassment joke went on WAY too long but even outside of that i'm like paul. paul. i know you wrote yourself into the show but PLEASE
no pressure, but tagging @nicollekidman @alyswesthill @lottienat @sapphicscience @tennesseewillams and @hunterbiden and anyone else who wants an excuse to shit talk
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Lol thank you S2 of Shadow and Bone
Okay you know what, Alina did not deserve Aleksander.
The initial draw that Darklina had for me was it's Reylo parallels
Aleksander and Ben are both people who wanted something good but the means they used to justify those ends are only moral in a utilitarian sense
-Ben has been persecuted all his life for being Vader's grandson, was preyed on by Palpatine and his own mother, father and uncle looked at him like he was some big problem and so he wanted to be ruler of a galaxy where he will no longer be persecuted
-Aleksander has been persecuted all his life for being Grisha, he has watched his own family die, his lover, and countless friends
-Both of them find an unlikely soulmate in the hero of the story
-Rey is an orphan seeking belonging, finding purpose in being the Last Jedi and being the savior of the galaxy and yet she's inexplicably drawn to Ben Solo
-Alina is an orphan seeking belonging, finding purpose in being the Sun Summoner and being savior of Ravka
Then there's the sizzling Force Bond connections between them that make everything extra appealing because who doesn't appreciate Force Bonds people?
But here is where things differ:
-When Rey found out that all of this happened to Ben (this meaning Luke tried to kill him, he has been hearing voices in his head, he feels alone)
>Rey almost kills Luke, confronting him for what he has done
>Ships herself to her Space Husband and tries to save him from Palpatine
-When Ben however being the idiot that he is still chooses to stick with his rule the galaxy plan, Rey says fuck this and (rightfully) fights against him
-Ultimately though, she admits that she wanted him, but not as Kylo Ren but as Ben, her Ben that she knows is in there
-Ben realizes that living wanting revenge and being angry all the time was not helpful to him and tries to make ammends
-He saves Rey and I may not agree with his death as it truly defeats the purpose of his character arc but it was in keeping with character - Ben loves Rey more than anything, more than his own revenge
In the end the Dyad becomes a true soulmate pair, they love each other so much that they are willing to do anything for the benefit of the other, they love each other so much that nothing else matters.
This season 2 of Shadow and Bone was only palatable because of the chemistry Jessie and Ben have but ultimately
-Alina is a thoughtless, selfish child. She could not grasp why Aleksander did all of this in the way Rey understood why Ben did what he did to become Kylo. In her head Aleksander is just a monster, who lied to her and deceived her and she's the big warrior ready to defeat the big bad monster
-I always hated Mal but I truly felt and sympathized with him this season because unlike in the books - Mal is fully supportive of Alina in her ventures and did not try to stop her from using her powers. He just tried to stop her from combusting and killing everyone around them. But how does Alina treat him - she ends up getting engaged to a Prince she flirts with THEN gets angry at Mal when Mal doesn't get jealous/hurt/fight for her. Like Alina girl, make up your damned mind about this.
-She has no sympathy for anyone, and only feels bad for herself, seeking Merzost
-in the end she uses the Cut which is like yeah, obviously, your girl was hungry for this power
-Aleksander was well fleshed out this season and we see the complex feelings he has for his mother and Alina, but as Ben Barnes described it the toxicity within him where he is unable to see reason in the way Ben Solo did his - therefore he was incapable of changing for people he loved
So in conclusion, I'm not so angry at the way this ended because truly Alina did not deserve Aleksander OR Mal OR Nikolaj. She's just this petty pathetic poorly written girl who's only value is that she can summon the sun.
Aleksander deserved to die because he would have never stopped his search for power because that came before love, before anyone or anything. His desire to save Grisha has been corrupted and in that way he never would have stopped even if he became Tsar.
Also kudos to Mal for breaking up with Alina. Like yes please run for your life this girl does not know what she wants and just uses people wishy washy
Can we be done with the Grisha arc because I'd much rather see Nina, Inej, Zoya and Genya featured - I loved how Inej and Kaz blossomed in this season and Jesper and Weylan are so cute. I need to see Nina and her Fjerdan together again
Also don't get me started on Genya - like was that fucking necessary.
I mean I never had high hopes about Leigh Bardugo but really kudos to the chemistry between Ben and Jessie and how they really brought some form of humanity into these characters that got me to love them, but no amount of Ben and Jessie can save this truly atrocious writing.
I also recently saw an interview where Ben was like - the way to win an Oscar is if you do something less good with me the year before and I really felt for him, someone needs to give Ben Barnes the script he deserves :(
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The difference between Malina in the book version and the series is striking. In the book, they annoy me. They are toxic to each other from a strength. And Mal, in addition to being the least interesting character, and just plain boring, is a walking red flag in relational terms. Which makes him unbearable. Especially because he takes up too much space in the story and in Alina's head too... In the series, Mal is very much like a human being! Sometimes I even want to give him a big hug. But he's still a pretty boring character because he's only defined by Alina. Being a good person in fiction is not enough. You must have a real personality. But the Malina relationship for me is above all family. They're each other's family, and I can't see them growing into a great love story.
I agree with all of this. When it comes to ships I tend to react in a few ways, either I love them and they are my do or die like darklina for example, I think they are cute but I am not quite at the obsessed level like david and genya or I am indifferent to them, don't really care find them a bit boring, like show m*lina. It is very rare that I will hate a ship to the point of not being able to stand them, but book M*lina did that to me. I think it might actually be the first fictional relationship that I can say I hated. It was just so toxic but not in an interesting way it was just way too real, M*l often emotionally manipulated Alina, even going so far as cheating on her, he often made her feel inadequate and self conscious and the two of them just weren't compatible at all and I spent the whole book series just waiting for them to realise they didn't work and break up with each other, something that never happens. They were a large part of what made reading the books so unenjoyable for me.
When it comes to the show I do think M*l is a much more likeable character but unfortunately he is bland as they've wrapped up too much of his character into Alina and how his character relates to Alina he doesn't really get any story lines of his own. As you said being a good person isn't enough in fiction there needs to be more to his personality. I've used this comparison before but take Peeta Mellark from the Hunger Games for example, he is your typical nice/good guy, he is someone who has always been in love with Katniss and she has alot to do with what drives his character's motivation, but his character isn't solely wrapped up in Katniss, we learn more about him outside of her and he has his own story that is separate from her. I am really hoping that when it comes to M*l's character in the show they do develop and branch his character out more in season 3.
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does not, can not, will not
a/n: in honor of the fact i am getting wine drunk and forcing myself to rage finish shadow & bone s2 i’m posting the oneshot i wrote when i was a 14 year old darklina shipper. i recently moved it from ff.net to ao3 because i figured it held up remarkably well against the passage of time compared to the rest of my other teenage writing, but never posted it here. until now! but heavy disclaimer i didn’t edit or revise this at all beyond running it through grammarly so it is still very written-by-a-14-year-old
summary: Whatever she and the Darkling have, it’s certainly not love.
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Alina Starkov does not love the Darkling.
There are moments when she hates him less. Moments when she sees the lonely boy with too much power in his quartz gray eyes and is begrudgingly reminded of herself. There are moments when she forgets she hates him. Moments when her hands are tangled in his hair and his hands are gripping her hips, trying to pull her closer even though there is already no space between them and she can barely remember her name- much less that she’s supposed to hate him- because the press of his mouth on her- her mouth, her jaw, her neck- is far too intoxicating. Moments when the only real thing is him and the waves of desire clouding her judgment and weakening her resolve, however temporarily.
Then in a flash of clarity, she regains her senses, pushes him away, and goes back to hating him.
Alina Starkov does not love the Darkling because love is not a never-ending cycle of cat-and-mouse games and cruel taunting and the angry clash of lips on lips.
Love is being curled up beside Mal, her head on his shoulder and his arm loosely curled around her waist. Love is the way she and Mal instinctively reach for each other's hand at the same time and the way her gaze automatically seeks out his when they're in the same room. Love is the tender, slow kisses that reassure her that he is there. Love is sweet and gentle and clear sunshine accompanied with cloudless skies.
Whatever she and the Darkling have, it’s certainly not love.
Alina Starkov can not love the Darkling, because if she does it's proof that she does not love Mal as much as she once did.
It's proof that she is not oblivious to the way Mal dislikes her being in a room with another man for even a handful of seconds, even if he should know damn well that her relationship with said man is either platonic or nonexistent. It’s proof that she notices the way a normally casual arm around her waist quickly becomes possessive, to the point of making her feel like an object to be claimed. It’s proof that she remembers the way Mal told her he wanted the old Alina back and he sometimes mistook her for a stranger. It’s proof that she hasn't entirely been turning a blind eye to the way Mal drowns himself in kvas and other women after a particularly bitter argument.
It was admitting that she needed to let go of Mal, that she was losing him anyway.
Alina Starkov will not love the Darkling, because if she does she’s scared she’ll lose a part of herself.
She’s scared of her hunger for power. She’s scared of what she’s willing to do for more. She’s scared of the violent urges she sometimes gets. She’s scared of Mal leaving her. She’s scared of being alone. She’s scared of letting more people past her barriers. She’s scared that someone she trusts will turn and lodge a dagger in her back. She’s scared of hurting Mal, Nikolai, Genya, Tamar, Tolya, and even Nadia and Zoya. She’s scared of everyone turning against her. She’s scared of descending to point that she needs to be killed. She’s scared that no one will be able to kill her once she reaches that point. She’s scared that in a couple of centuries, she’ll be more like him than herself. She’s scared she’s already no better than him. She’s so, so scared- and mostly of herself and how dark she’s becoming.
He’s always appealed to the darker side of her.
She does not love him. She can not love him. She will not love him.
She will not let that change. She will not let her powerful attraction to him grow into anything more.
As long as she can keep convincing the darkest parts of her soul of this, she’s at least one step out of his reach. She’s at least one step away of becoming what she fears. She’s at least one step away from being consumed by the darkest parts of herself.
She’s always been a terrible liar.
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Okay, I totally understand the difference in opinions in regards to malina and darklina between the readers and the viewers. I first watched the show, I didnt ship either to be honest, but malina grew on me until we got introduced to nikolai lol, but either way. The book version of darklina is much worse; there isn’t much of any sympathy you can give to the Darkling. He also physically invades her space after capturing Alina. Not to mention the power play, while Darkling in the show clearly had feelings for Alina, Darkling in the book only cared about himself and his ability to make himself desirable to her, he used all his tricks and kissed her and then ran away. It was honestly red flags on red flags. Either way, I get why there are so many of the booklovers that hate that people even remotely ship darklina, yet, the book version and show version is sooo different. Actually, I kinda love how many differences there were between the show and the book, specifically, you could clearly see the love genya had for alina much more clearly in the books; but the show did some amazing things with the characters of zoya, introducing the crows early on, and even the darkling’s character. I am excited to see both where the books and show leads me. I do feel though, in both, they could potentially stop killing off so many people- but thats my biggest annoyance with fantasy fiction/tv. There is an obsession of making it dark rather than escapist. Oh well, we can’t always get it all I suppose lol
#darklina#malina#shadow and bone#fantasy#fantasy shows#fantasy tv#the six of crows#sab#shadow and bone 2#book vs tv show
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god that zk / d*rkalina post reminds me of why i left that fandom, i really hate how you can’t simply say you don’t like something without a bunch of people jumping on your back accusing you of ‘policing’ them or smth like how is me personally thinking something is gross affecting you? idk. esp since i’m black and they go doubly hard after me if i so much as imply that i don’t like something specifically because of racism / misogynoir.
it’s like when some atla fans get pissed off that not everyone likes aang. like he was never my favorite. after b3 / comics i actively dislike him. but every time i say i don’t like him i’m a monster who bullies 12 y/o and hates ‘non dramatic’ ships. like no, i… simply just do not like him. i never came for you. i just said i don’t like him and his (lack of) character development imo.
sorry for ranting in your inbox i am just sick of being demonized for not liking things by the so called ‘you do you’ crowd. ironically i feel like those white ‘fandom old’ types target people just as much as those they say they despise sometimes :/
right and the most annoying thing is that they claim they're all for you do you, but there's a difference between acknowledging something is unhealthy BUT fictional and romanticizing something that is unhealthy? some people don't seem to draw the line...and like i guess it's "you do you" and that's their business, but if we're going to state our opinions and accept that everyone's opinion is valid as long as they don't infringe upon other's opinions, then like....you can still be criticized
sorry you've dealt with misogynoir and racism in fandom, it really is sad how such a safe place ends up being a microcosm of the world that sometimes even amplifies its worst aspects in very insidious ways, because you leave your guard down when you're in fandom, you assume it's a safe space, and then...
i've always said i never dislike ships because of ships, but because of shippers. i loved darklina and i thought the dynamic was so cool to explore (as i said i've written several fics, like the first was when i was thirteen) but then the way i was harassed on twitter for disliking how people compared it to kanej in some form...ruined the ship for me. like, i never said don't ship it? i basically always said that darklina has a cool dynamic to explore but that i didn't want it to be canon because that is the normalization of abuse in its canonical interpretation. maybe there is a world where it could have been done and it being canon would not have been a bad impression on thirteen year old girls like me, the first time i read the grisha trilogy. but well, it isn't this one. i was there and i wish malina was better in the books lol so i would have found darklina less appealing.
but yes with the aang thing, too! i think the "you do you" anti harassment crowd has its extremes, especially when they defend racist and problematic behavior towards real life individuals in fandom as on the same tier of fictional interaction, especially because this defined "harassment" is not people venting on their accounts without instigating discourse. people will always have their opinions.
zk fandom has had a lot of issues with big name white fans conflating real problematic behavior within the fandom with general proship harassment. it's what drove me out of the fandom last year and i pray it will not happen again because it really really bothered me at the time
but anon i do empathize so so much with you <3 sucks that a supposed safe space like fandom still has so many complications--i just want to do my own thing, and that includes hating on things, in peace ✌️
#anon asks#anti darklina#dee rants#again not anti darklina. anti some aspects of the twitter fandom. but there are some zks who do ship darklina more so#for blacklisting#zutara fandom
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friendly reminder regarding shadow and bone!
ship who you want to ship and please tag your ships!! I’ve spent the past three days knee deep in the darklina tag and while I am THRIVING for all the blessed content this incredible fandom makes, I’m seeing a lot of anti-darklina in our tag for some reason. ship who you want to ship and feel free to talk about why you don’t ship other things! that’s all good! just please think before sending out needless hate to people because of a fictional character, and if you don’t ship darklina or malina or what have you, don’t tag it as such!
we’re not out here about to regress into policing people for wanting two fictional characters together like it’s 2015.
*also, and I cannot stress this enough, please for the love of god, do not send hate to any of the actors. I’ve heard about some nasty things being sent to Archie and Danielle at least, that is not ok and never will be. These are real people trying to do their job. let’s be respectful of their privacy and humanity.
final thoughts: I love this fandom, I love these people, I love that we can have conversations about these fascinating characters. It feels so incredible to be a part of a fandom that is so alive, I feel like a kid again. Let’s make this a positive and respectful space and be kind to one another.
#I also understand not shipping either ship like I get that#but when I'm in either tag I often find a lot of hate regarding whichever ship#and I'm not in the darklina tag to be reading about how I'm a terrible person for shipping darklina and vice versa for malina.#let's appreciate how complex and nuanced these characters are and explore those complexities#the moral highground is non existent#but what i do love to see is all the positivity surrounding crows content#let's just make this a space where we can have conversations without regressing into name calling and the like#It's not abundant but there's enough of this out here that i wanted to say something about it#shadow and bone#sab spoilers#darklina#alina x darkling#alina x aleksander#alarkling
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the darkling is the andrew tate of the grishaverse
#am i wrong#no i am not#darkling hate space#darklina hate space#darkling hate club#darkling slander#anti darkling#darkling#general kirigan#alexander morozova#grishaverse#alina starkov#genya safin#zoya nazyalensky#they deserved better#six of crows#kaz brekker#shadow and bone#inej ghafa#jesper fahey#nina zenik#wylan hendriks#matthias helvar
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Wait you guys actually ship the Darkling with Alina? I thought that was a joke
#shadow and bone#the darkling#aleksander kirigan#alina starkov#darklina#sfw#ok but like. he isolated Alina and groomed her until she fell for him#which already means she wasn't falling for the real man#and then once she realized he was evil she exploded a sun on his face and they're now sworn enemies#by the end of it all he seducted her to control her power and now she hates him#doesn't seem to be a lot of space there for real feelings of love. even if conflicted#well maybe one-sided on his end but Alina did NOT give me the impression she would trust that bitch ever again#spoiler tags#this post was more of an excuse to tag rant
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I didn’t think I’d ever make a post like this but after sitting on my feelings for too long, I just have to to get it out there.
I was a mod and creator of the Darklina server. I left it last year and you shouldn’t join it.
I know everybody is obsessed with receipts because lying on the internet is popular for whatever reason. I don’t have really any outside of what was discussed privately in a server between me, two other mods, and two friends who were part of the server. I won’t post much outside one or maybe two things (and I have to copy-paste what was said as screenshots are not cooperating right now) because I really don’t want this post to be long and I want it over with. I just need to get my feelings out there for some sort of catharsis. Maybe even to heal.
To get it out of the way: I was heavily bullied whilst modding the server. In fact, it kind of went beyond bullying and went into abuse frankly. This went on for months until I couldn’t take it anymore and finally left for my own safety and mental health. However, as foolish as it might sound, the damage was done and I actually now have lingering trauma due to the amount of shit I got in the server. I literally can get triggered now hearing of events like what I went through and have, in fact, been triggered or close to.
Even thinking about what happened is making me extremely sick and on the edge of causing myself to become triggered.
When the server was small, things were just fine. I was having fun and there were two other mods with me whom were friends. It was just the three of us at first. I was very excited to have started my first server. I wanted people to have fun and share a space where they could talk about the things they enjoyed.
We had rules which prevented any type of prejudice, character/ship hate, etc. These rules were consistently broken. The amount of Mal and Malina hate as well as Nikolai hate was out of control even when he kept telling people to cut it out. Nobody respected us as mods or our rules.
As the server grew we brought more people into modding yet I was the one doing most of it. I had to make the decision after somebody was warned three times to take them into a separate chat to talk to them about why their words were hurting others. I was talked down to and they left before I could settle things. I was not being nasty, simply trying to explain that their words were harmful and bordered on aphobia and victim blaming.
I always tried to steer conversations in a way arguments wouldn’t break out. I was literally called a bitch at one point for just trying to do my job as a mod. At another point I was told I was a downer who couldn’t let anybody have fun after I told people to lay off somebody else because they were really going in on somebody. Bullying isn’t fun, it’s fucking awful.
Constantly I was called names and put down and invalidated. I was often misgendered and had my sexuality disrespected. When I brought up being misgendered somebody said ‘why does it matter?’
This shit went on and on and on and my mental health was getting so bad. I was depressed all the time and just didn’t even want to deal with the server anymore but I felt I had to. My fiancee noticed and became extremely angry at these people because she knew how excited I was to create this server which was the first I’d ever made. She joined the server to watch out for me but they couldn’t be online always at the same time I was.
The other mods (outside of one) ignored all this, never tried to back me up. Never tried to back anybody up. One mod especially always ignored anything bad going on and only ever talked when things weren’t going down. The mods refused to mod.
What really made my stomach turn was when some individuals in the server began to speak of underage fic in a very fetishistic way. Some people in the server were/are OBSESSED with writing it. Somebody else voiced being uncomfortable with it and that it triggered them. They were DOGPILED by these other authors. Me and one other mod tried to calm things down and these fic writers who were totally fine with underage lashed out at us. I was alone at one point during this and they demanded a Dead Dove channel be made for them so they could discuss underage away from everybody else then if it bothered people so much.
I did not want to make the channel but was overruled by the various other mods online at the time and one was made. However, I pointed out that Discord TOS doesn’t even allow talk of that so another mod literally had to say in the rules of the server that underage wasn’t allowed but Dead Dove would stay up for other darker themes.
I never touched that channel, being completely disgusted by it. Other mods watched it instead.
The person that was dogpiled on left the server after that and I don’t blame them. They were contacted later to make sure they were alright and luckily were, they just didn’t feel welcome anymore because these individuals and that broke my heart because I set out to make a safe enviroment.
Now I wanted to kick these people because of this but once again I was overruled by mods.
I left modding soon after but remained as a Founder in the server for another two months.
During those months I continued to be severely bullied. Called names, talked over, disrespected. It was a lot to deal with until finally I just broke and left. My fiancee left the server soon after with this farewell message as she had had it with those in the server:
I’m sorry to do this but I will be leaving the server too. I joined because Crow made it, they were so excited to create and be part of this server & watching their enthusiasm die and turn into constant stress and upset has been, frankly, infuriating to me.
The majority of you are incredibly lovely people and I wish you all the best. Some of you, however, have left a very bad taste in my mouth for the way you have treated Crow, the other mods and your fellow server members. I’ll be frank, they way some of you disregard peoples’ traumas and boundaries as their own problem and have so little empathy has greatly disgusted me, especially after witnessing what unfolded in fandom venting.
I am just seriously not here for excusing the writing of - and lack of tagging - of literal paedophilia. It is legitimately the last straw for me. Y’all know damn well most of it isn’t being written to safely explore trauma (which is valid), it’s being written to fetishize. A certain topic of discussion that led to the forming of the dead dove channel is proof of that. It’s vile and y’all should know better.
I am not as nice or forgiving as Crow and at this point I do not care what anyone thinks of me. I have watched my fiancée have something they loved by ruined, I’ve watched their mental health suffer because some people here cannot follow rules or abide by basic human decency. So I’m done and I’m not going to mince my words about why.
Bye.
And then she left too.
The mod who kept ignoring anything at all happening deleted what my fiancee said because she was afraid it’d cause drama but y’know, ignoring everything else people said was perfectly fine. People showed how much they thought of me in the server after this because some peeked it. They questioned who I was, referred to me as ‘just some person’ when I was the original creator and one of three original mods of the damn server. It seriously hurt to know my existence was literally nothing to them.
For a bit after one of the mods who is my friend would give me little updates including how mods are still being incredibly disrespected there and people are still pushing for underage to be discussed in the server. When told to make their own server then, these individuals said no because they didn’t want to mod. So they acknowledge modding is difficult but continue to be little assholes to those who keep the damn server running.
I’m so sure this post will be shared in the server, I’m sure people will want to discredit me, might even come into my inbox to get me to delete it or bully me. I don’t care anymore. I just don’t. I know what the truth is. Others (including a WHOLE OTHER SERVER) know what I’m saying is true.
There is HEAVY bullying and disgusting behavior that occurs in this server (or did) and I am warning you all to steer clear. It has travelled so far from what I hoped and I am disgusted and glad to be rid of it but I didn’t leave unscathed. The fact I literally have trauma from this bothers me constantly.
Even so much as this server crossing my mind makes me feel sick to my stomach. I don’t want that for anybody else. Please stay safe and stay away.
EDIT: Hey, don’t send anon hate to anybody in the Darklina server please. Especially not the mods. You don’t know who were the ones responsible for the behavior or encouraged it and I made sure to mention no names so nobody would get hate. (Not every mod was okay with what was happening or is happening.) Yet I am seeing people who were NOT OKAY with the behavior get absolutely disgusting anons including death and r*pe threats.
I cannot believe this. Stop it. Just stop.
#the grishaverse#shadow and bone#darklina#alina starkov#aleksander morozova#discourse#i don't care#i don't care anymore and i might just delete this blog and move on!
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Jesus shit I disappear a lot.
I’ve been lurking on ao3 a lotttt. An unhealthy amount. And I’ve gotten into darklina.
Listen…I know it’s toxic but I like trash okay? And I read the grisha books and fucking HATED HATED Them. I ranted to my fiancé for like 2 months. Thank the stars for fanfic authors!!
I literally found a fic that I have accepted as the official ending. seriously.  it’s called “Start a war” by nymja on ao3.
I’m also beyond looking forward to the following on ao3:
“Dark Guardian “ by FairyRingsandWings (this is one of my most anticipated ones!) it’s incredibly interesting and is an au that involves demons/etc. it’s amazing and well researched. She runs an amazing tumblr under the name @thedarklingxalina Check it out!!
“ The Fight we never had” by PoetHrotsvitha.  this one is amazing because it’s self-aware it’s just hilarious. It’s been one of the most fun ones that I’ve read in a very long time in the comment section is to die for. I am so looking forward to the story and can’t wait to see how it ends. I’m definitely rooting for our creepy Alexsander. I dunno if she has a tumblr or else I’d put her user name. But seriously this one is fucking fabulous!!!!!
“ I have a longing” by LRcee
Jesus this one is just a feel good au. I fucking love It and I hope the author continues to write more because the writing is amazing. It’s intelligently written and every time I read it I spend the whole time smiling!
“ forgiveness doesn’t taste like this” by EvilPeaches
I never in 1 million years thought I would like any story with Alina and Ivan. And normally I do not like dark fics. Parts of this were really hard to read and there is another story like where she puts deleted scenes and extras, and there was literally one part in “ deleted scenes “ that I had to start and stop and take a break for a good while after reading. That’s a sign of a good writer. Anything that makes me uncomfortable and makes me genuinely think afterwards.  it’s at the end now with only one more chapter left but I’ll be damned if I wasn’t rooting for Ivan even though I am literally a hard-core darklingxalina shipper. This is one of those stories that is incredibly well written and just made me feel so many different emotions. It is very dark. But it really goes in depth about how in mortality and misery would affect you as well as your relationships with other people.
“A Space of Flowers” by ecphrasis
Part of series “ Darklina Cottagecore AU” , The entire series is amazing. I literally never thought I would be interested in a cottage core au but it is beautifully written and the author did a lot of research into making it feel like it’s in the century that it’s taking place in. It’s heart wrenching in and has so much angst. I truly hope that the author continues it and also that they get a happy ending. But the writing is just beyond beautiful. Fuck it is just gorgeous! Written by @ekphrastic 
”Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times….” by xxwalkinwonderlandxx
another AU that is in progress. It’s just incredibly interesting and I’m really looking forward to see where it goes. Not too much is given away so with each chapter update I’m still guessing and wondering what’s going to happen. Has been an incredibly fun read and can’t wait to see more! 
And the final one that is in progress…
“ I wanna see you in the light of the morning “ by renaegeorge
Omgggg. This one is so hilarious. Like whenever I’m having a bad day I’ll read this. I can’t wait to see how the story goes because it is just a feel good fic. I fucking love it! Please check this one out. The author is amazing and she writes so incredibly well. 
I have no clue if anyone actually read this but I beg you to please check these out and if any of these authors have tumblr that I don’t know about them please tag them so that way people can see their Tumblr in case they write on there. leave comments and kudos! Let them know if you enjoy it! And if anyone has any really good fics to recommend to me let me know. This isn’t even half of what I have bookmarked but I’m always interested in fics. 
These are my current favorites that are still in progress. I’ll do my other favorites at some point. But if you hated the ending of the grisha series like I did then please check out “Start a war”. I genuinely accept that as the ending now. 
And if you hate the darkling, then I totally understand. I totally get it but don’t attack me. People like what they like. Like straight up. 
#the darking#alina starkov#darklina#team darkling#ao3fic#fanfic writing#alina x kirigan#sankta alina#alina x darkling#shadow and bone
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All the Reylo and Darklina shippers are hilarious to me when they cry “purity culture” and “it’s fiction not reality” because… they hate characters of color with a burning passion, and all we do is treat their shitty white men the same way they treat Finn and Poe and Mal (show) and Zoya. How come when they whine about them being bad, irritating fans of color, its “no big deal” but when we hate Kylo or the Darkling we’re making fandom an unsafe space? Don’t fans of color deserve escapism too? 1)
2) Dint fans of color deserve to escape into fandom, the one place where we can uplift characters of color and shit on abusive white men (Kylo, the Darkling) all we want??? Hell, Don’t abuse survivors deserve escapism, and don’t they deserve going into fandom without seeing abuse romanticized? Don’t we deserve to point out Reylo and Darklina make us uncomfortable without getting doxxed? As a WOC and an abuse survivor, the double standards are insane. Because it’s only about purity culture when
3) people want to stan abusive white men, but not when POC try to stan characters of color or when abuse survivors try to draw parallels. Then all pretense of “ship and let ship” and “purity culture” is forgotten.
I guess it's safe to say that proshippers are pretty selfish and foster toxic spaces that enable people who're racist and gross to get away with bigotry and bad behaviour. they pretend it’s all harmless fun that annoying “antis” can’t tolerate and not because it’s very disgusting and sometimes even triggering to see pedophilia/incest/abuse being romanticised on your screen even if it’s “just fiction”.
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I have lost so much interest in this fandom, it’s actually becoming a chore to be in it at this point and I want to leave. Literally, what is up with people trying to police what other people can and cannot do, it’s so tiring. What gives someone the right to gatekeep a character not written by them and say if you want to plan an Elain week; no evil elain ,no tamlain, no elucien, no gwynriel participants , no this, no that, excuse me it’s called a fandom for a reason, I can quite literally do whatever the fuck I want. It’s like can I just enjoy my dark Elain in peace, just because I love dark Elain doesn’t mean I hate Elain the character and even if I hate Elain the character, so what. I can do that if I want to for Godsake , I don’t have to explain myself to anyone.
Sorry for the mini rant I just had to let out my frustration and I feel safe in your ask box. Anyways, excuse me while I go read some darklina fanfics or better yet klaroline fanfics. At least those are normal fandoms because I don’t know what the hell ACOTAR fandom is.
Look, my ask box is always open for 1- smut and 2- ranting. I AGREE. I used to defend this behavior like, oh people are just really passionate or whatever but at this point I'm over it. If you're so feral for a character that you can only deal with one journey for them, you're gonna be disappointed AF. People have projected their own feelings onto her, have made her a lightning rod for their own weird morality and then feel personally attacked when someone else does not agree.
I personally took time away, even from writing because the things that are said in the name of protecting writing on a page is just too much. Real people get caught in this crossfire of "Elain stans" who spew information they've heard second/third hand. I exist only in elucien spaces and have never seen people say Lucien DESERVES Elain. And maybe it happened 5 years ago on some now deleted blog but I'll tell you, in every fic I write where Elain reads Lucien to filth, where she slaps him in the face or is mean or rejects him, my comments are filled with "SHE SHOULD BE MEANER/TELL HIM OFF ELAIN" like Elain has fans outside of e/riel, and they'd know that if they actually talked to any of us.
Please remember that every time someone starts something like this, they get a TON of engagement. Be cynical about the same people constantly embroiled in drama. I'm sure they get followers for it, which incentivizes this "us vs them" behavior. Could never be me.
And if you need a break, you're always welcome to hang out here. This blog is like, 80% simping for every broken Star Wars man with sad looking eyes.
#anti e/riel#you can really just ship and let ship#it doesnt need to be your personal identity#and if you cant#bummer i guess idk like google healthy coping skills for when SJM fucks it all up#ill be here#crying about mando and general hux and poe dameron until i die#and elucien too#because canon is merely a suggestion to me
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