The script for Will’s coded confession being from Jonathan’s perspective makes total sense if you recall the flashback from s1.
Of course the coded conversation about Will’s interests would be a call back to Will’s first confession about his feelings. Of course Jonathan would be the one to put two and two together!! He was the one who told Will that he shouldn’t pretend to like things just to keep his (homophobic father) in his life.
Seeing these two scenes back-to-back really reinforce the idea that Will has both trust issues and fear of abandonment for me. How he would rather pretend and hide a part of himself in fear of losing the (small) group of people in his life.
It adds so much context to Lucas’s comment about Will being sensitive about his experience in the Upside Down. Since we later find out that he’s really just selective about who he tells. How he prefers to open up when he feels like his emotions are being mirrored; Jonathan calling himself a freak; Mike thinking he’s going crazy; Bob sharing his childhood nightmare.
It also adds a layer to his relationship with Mike since he also starts s2 and s4 unable to open up. And to paraphrase Finn, Will talking about being scared of feeling vulnerable ‘psyches’ Mike out. Will’s coded conversation about his own sexuality set Mike on a self discovery journey. Which is very interesting to me…
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This has been a rant building up for a while now and I just need to put it in here but it's that. I remember the joy and excitement I felt when I watched y/o/i ep 1 - 10 because I literally. Knew nothing about the show except for the fact it was gay?? dvsjgshd but it just was so GOOD but then I. Came across a couple of interpretations of ep 11-12 (which I hadn't watched by then so I had no idea what went down) which was just people being disappointed, people thinking the ending was changed for a season 2, people thinking it was out of nowhere (especially V/ictor's comeback?? I guess??) And that really. messed up my perception of the show?? Like upto then I was forming my own interpretations of the characters and after this I. Was lowkey scared to watch the last two episodes because I was afraid of it being bad™ (if that even makes sense) and then one day even when I did watch them I didn't watch them properly?? Like I even missed a lot of scene and dialogue because I was too nervous about what I had read about it before.
And like. I don't even think those interpretations are entirely wrong for record. I understand that especially when there was a whole week between episodes and when the fandom was so huge and active people might have a very different viewing experience which directly plays into how they interpreted the character arcs! And those interpretation are extremely valid even though I disagree with them. The show definitely leaves a lot upto intrepretation of the viewers so there isn't any interpretation that is necessarily wrong™ (Idk how to phrase this sorry)
But it's just that I wasn't able to form MY own interpretation properly because I was influenced by others' ?? (In lack of a better way to word it) and I just. I've been mulling over this for a whole MONTH and going back and forth and back about the ending. And it just feels very draining when I go out to look for meta and people who had opinions similar to mine and find...like what ten people?? it kind of makes me feel like I am looking at things wrong, and that probably the finale WAS just bad or whatever (which seems to be a more common idea in what I've seen)
I do think there were pacing issues, and I do think the character arcs CAN be interpreted differently than what they are in the finale but I also am a bit sad that not many people tried to recontextualise the show in light of the finale (again, it isn't a MUST But I really wish people tried to if I am making sense?)
And it's sad because I know this can be fun if I just created my own bubble without all the meta and opinions I disagree with but it's hard when that is somehow always what I come across? And I KNOW I should stop reading a post when I see that it may suggest something towards the opinions that I disagree with (because that'll just waste my energy), but then what if I AM wrong? What if those posts are right and I am willingly closing my eye towards what the characters originally are or something?? Is what perplexes me out and really makes me sort of nervous and uneasy(?)
And now it is getting worse and I feel like I am slowly losing all the love I had for this show and it absolutely SUCKS because I just want to enjoy this silly little show and now this is all....just a mess
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Beefleaf but like: Roleswap?
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Sure enough, that waiter said, “Oh, outsiders usually don’t know, and always have to ask. The Fire Social of our town Fu Gu enacts the story of a legendary character. This was passed down through word of mouth, but many centuries ago, there was a young daughter from a merchant family named Shi.
“Although the family of this Lady Shi was very, very rich, she was quite a humble and quiet girl. She was also a scarily intelligent youth, and picked things up quickly and precisely. She was also known everywhere as a kind sister; there’s really nothing bad to say about the girl. Unfortunately for her, she was just very unlucky, and nothing good ever lasts. Especially not to a little girl who had been given a cursed by a ghost since her birth.
“ Thinking she was able to outdo the curse, she studied hard and took national state exams. Even though she clearly did well, the best of them all, because she didn’t pay up a greeting gift to the examiner, she offended the officials.
"They hid her test scrolls, exchanging them for blank ones, and for years she couldn’t land a rank. Mostly thought of her as stupid, and so she had given up her studies.
“To live a good life, her parents let her marry whoever man she seemed fit, but each lover she had only caused her more and more pain in her delicate heart. One left her due to the beauty of another, the other left her due to her own appearance, then it was due to her wisdom. And then it was due to her shyness, but the next said it was due to her chattiness. And the last one even screamed bloody murder on their wedding night, almost ready to kill her. At last no one lasted for more than a month.
“Her old ma and pa, seventy years old, begged for her to live freely and happy, but their fortune soon started to dissappear like thin air. And within a few years she was left with only her brother, who, after ascending, left her all alone in this miserable world because he didn't want the curse to spread to him. The girl with no one else to really on and bringing forth curses everyday could only try to be independent, but even that didn't go well. She tried to work at a job, but was found too weak and was let go, then at another place she was harrased, and at another place she was exploited, in the last job she was branded as a criminal for something that she did not commit, and was sent to prison where she almost starved to death.”
“...” “So what do y’all think?”
That waiter sighed aloud. “How can anyone be so unlucky?”
Hua Cheng cleared his throat quietly, trying not laugh at such tale before calmly answering “Yeah.”
How could someone other than him be this unlucky? Who did their ancestors offend?
After having lamented, that waiter’s face changed, looking cheery and alive. “And then that woman went crazy; she couldn't stand it anymore and died."
"Oh is that where it ends? well how sad! Anyways time to le–" Lady Wind Master Ming Jiang was pulling on the Lord water master to go but was cut off instantly by his hand, nodding for the waiter to continue.
"THEN One night, the day before the last day of Autumn, her spirit rose up, took up a bunch of weapons and butchered everyone who had hurt her! It was a bloody sight, flesh and gore flying all over, extremely satisfying! Since all those she killed had bullied all the people in town for ages, everyone cheered for the ghost. So that's why, every year on the day before the last day of Autumn, the town commemorates her with a Bloody Fire Social. Pray the Mad Lady Shi watch over us and kills all the villains that reside on this earth. Even after death there truly is justice!”
Although it was supposed to be the defeat of evil and the triumph of good, it seemed like nothing ended well. That waiter went away, and Hua Cheng saw He Xuan had a face of contemplation.
He asked, “Lord Water Master, do you have any thoughts?” He Xuan responded immediately but was absent-minded, “This day, it seems to be the same day that I've ascended.” He turned to Hua Cheng who noticed that the lord water master was waiting for him to speak. Knowing that the other was far more sharp than him.
“Could the Reverend of Empty Words be this Mad Ghost that is following you now?” During their exchange, the next troupe had started performing the same story again. Lady Ming looked over. “But what reason would it have now? He-xiong has already ascended, and besides, this ghost seems to have killed only those that wronged him. What has He-Xiong done??” “Lady Wind Master is right,” Xie Lian finally opened his lips. "But," he added after finishing its drink.
“Monsters that are similar to humans are usually born from an individual’s extreme grudge or obsession. For example, I hear there’s a monster in Dongying called ‘The Bridge Princess’; it was formed by the grudge of women. Some say it was from the grief of women who waited for husbands that never returned, and others say it was the madness of jealousy. If the Reverend of Empty Words came from the misfortune of someone, it’s not impossible to say it was formed by that person’s jealousy of another’s fortune, or the hatred of his fate.”
“But we mustn't make haste yet, first, we must check to see at what point this Mad Ghost Lady character appeared. If it's most early record was after The Reverend of Empty Words appeared then we have landed nowhere with this story.” Ming Jiang said.
“Right. This needs to be verified,” Hua Cheng said.
"It's after." He Xuan responded immediately, leaving all of them speechless.
"How do you know He-Xiong?"
"I was there when Lady Shi died."
At this point Hua Cheng tried his best to hold out a smile, why what a coincidence of fates, it truly does make him even more curious to continue investigating this matter.
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