#aroace tolya
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the only good part about netflix canceling sab is that the show writers can’t hurt tolya now
#aroace tolya#tolya yul bataar#anti tolnej#lewis tan#inej ghafa#amita suman#shadow and bone#six of crows#six of crows spin off#shadow and bone season 2#shadow and bone season 3#shadow and bone cast
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Alright, who is the CEO of the aroace Tolya agenda?
Because if we make it a thing on twitter, netflix may see it (because lets acept that they probably would sexualize him like crazy because...netflix) and make it canon on the show
#aroace tolya#tolya yul bataar#netflix shadow and bone#shadow and bone#sab netflix#grisha trilogy#leigh bardugo
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NOT SO FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT THE POETRY LEGEND HIMSELF TOLYA YUL-BATAAR IS AROACE OR AT LEAST AROMANTIC AND HERE IS THE FUCKING PROOF SINCE SOME OF Y'ALL THINK ITS NOT REAL
#grishaverse#shadow and bone#king of scars#tolya yul bataar#tolya#aroace tolya#aroace#aromantic#asexual#aroacspec
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In a move surprising exclusively the people who think the Shadow and Bone dumpster fire is good queer representation because omg the cast ships genyalina, one of the shadow and bone creators just made a pride post on instagram and Nina Zenik and Tolya Yul-Bataar were not included. Shocking.
#anti shadow and bone#shadow and bone#six of crows#six of crows spin off#nina zenik#tolya yul bataar#aroace tolya#so sick of this shit I can’t
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you ever get massively annoyed about how casually fandom culture accepts and even sometimes encourages ace/aro erasure, even in fandoms that are predominantly queer? because I do.
#fandom#asexuality#aromanticism#aroace#asexual#aromantic#this is mostly about#tolya yul bataar#and#yelena belova#but it probably applies to lots of other fandoms#oh! like how osemanverse fans consistently ignore tori being aroace#or how aroace characters are treated as an afterthought
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I honestly think it's so interesting that people tend to pick Kaz when they're making a character aro/ace when in the books Tolya mentions having no interest in romance or finding a partner and Harshaw (who was sadly omitted from S2) is mentioned to only love fire.
#headcanon whoever you like i'm not the fandom police#i just think it's interesting that people always go to kaz when they mention the grishaverse and ace rep#kaz states that he has desire for inej and has tried to be intimate with people#so clearly the urge and attraction is there#but with tolya and harshaw it's confirmed to not be#grishaverse#shadow and bone#six of crows#crooked kingdom#tolya yul bataar#harshaw#kaz brekker#aromantic#asexual#aroace
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Characters i wholeheartedly believe are aspec of some sort
Madeline hatter
Reyna ramirez Arellano
Chiron
Tolya yul bataar
Clarisse la rue
Wednesday addams
Perry the platypus
Phineas and ferb
Feel free to add more to this list
#aro#aromantic#ace#asexual#aroace#aspec#madeline hatter#ever after high#reyna avila ramirez arellano#chiron#percy jackson#pjo#pjo hoo toa#tolya yul bataar#soc#sab#six of crows#shadow and bone#kaz brekker#clarisse la rue#wednesday addams#phineas and ferb#perry the platypus
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Since I have seen a few people try and frame Tolya being aroace as just a headcanon, or point out the (valid) fact that being aroace doesn't completely negate that someone can be in a relationship as a reason why having him be interested in Inej in the show isn't erasure, I feel like it's important to point out that he very specifically states in the text of one of the books that he has no interest in forming a romantic relationship or attachment with anyone and never has:
So yes. Shipping him with Inej, or anyone else, is erasing his canon sexuality. That's it.
#cannot belive people need this explained to them in the year of our lord 2023#'but he didnt SAY hes aroace' and Jesper never specifically called himself bisexual but you had no trouble getting that#neither did Nina for that matter#like if a character specifically calling themselves the exact same terms for something that we have is the only way to confirm their#sexuality then that means basically any character in any work that doesn't take place in the last century of the real life world has#no canon sexuality. you realize how dumb that sounds#Tolya is aroace. that's canon. he also has no interest in being in a relationship. that is also canon. trying to change that is aroace#erasure. thanks for coming to my tedtalk#shadow and bone#s&b#tolya yul bataar#inej ghafa#tonej#tolnej#image description in alt
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Prompt: “He doesn't love me. He's not that stupid.”
Song: Rosyln - Bon Iver
For Tolya x Reader please!! could be with Tamar and he overhears etc. or something else x
By Stars - Tolya Yul Bataar
Yes.
Is this sad or angsty, I honestly cant even tell anymore it is my default.
Content Warnings: No Beta/Proof Reading, Feelings???
"This is a celebration," Jesper reminds you, handing you a drink.
You take it, nod at him and hope his attention will return to Wylan, but Tamar is watching you like a hawk. She has been trying to decipher exactly what you're thinking since the burning of The Darkling's body.
She'd rather hoped some of that infectious hope and joy her brother was expressing would have reached you by now. But you were still quiet.
She has her best guess as to why. Tamar, no stranger to romance, to the eyes that linger longer than they should. To the way a heart beats that much faster when they move near. To the way a tone can change when speaking a name. Tolya may be the one to read the high romances of poetry but Tamar is the one to know them, to recognise them.
And you have been holding your breath, keeping your self close, arms tight across your chest, focusing on keeping your heartbeat as calm as you can, trying not to give yourself away.
Tolya smiles at you from his seat and there it is, that leap in your chest and Tamar's guess has all the evidence she needs.
"Okay," Jesper smiles, another drink in, "go on then, read us something you gentle giant."
Tolya laughs and looks up from his book. "From this?" he asks.
"From a confession if you like," Jesper says, leaning back and into Wylan who is watching him with those bright adoring eyes of his. Had you ever had doubt in love, the time spent with the crows would have swayed any doubt. Nina's dedication to freeing her love. The selfless and understanding quiet of the love Kaz and Inej clearly share. And the love that is bright and shining between Jesper and Wylan, so bright even through all of his obliviousness Tolya noticed.
"I still recall the wondrous moment:
When you appeared before my sight
As though a brief and fleeting omen,
Pure phantom in enchanting light," Tolya reads aloud. Wylan turns his eyes from Jesper to smile at Tolya.
"You know I find that quite wonderful," Wylan states.
"Don't encourage him," Tamar groans. "He will start recalling from memory."
"If you insist sister," Tolya's tone is jovial and light and Tamar tries to brush his words away with a hand and a glare, but it does not discourage him. "In ecstasy the heart is beating,
Old joys for it anew revive;
Inspired and Saints-filled, it is greeting
The fire, and tears, and love alive."
"Excuse me," you say getting up. Tolya's eyes follow you as you leave, but it's Tamar who walks out the door behind you.
"You are upset," Tamar says, joining you by the wall outside.
"I am not," you attempt to lie.
"Well I could've told you that isn't true without the ability to listen to your heartbeat," Tamar says. She bumps your shoulder gently, a reassuring gesture, a familiar one. "Talk to me."
"There's not much to talk about," you say.
"Because you're stubborn and want to keep your feelings to yourself or because he is my brother?" she asks out right. You whip your head to the side to look at her and she shrugs it off, giving a knowing look up to the sky. "I am not too wrapped up in the pretty women to ignore those around me."
"Nadia is very pretty," you say, trying you deflect.
"I am surprised you noticed, I thought you only had eyes for my brother."
"I don't have eyes for your brother."
"Oh, and the second lie so far," Tamar says, "come on, you don't have to lie to me, or to you, if it runs that deep."
"I... what is the point?" You ask.
"You have feelings and they're clearly affecting you, that's the point," Tamar says.
"That's my own fault," you say.
"Walk me through it," Tamar insists. You want to tell her to leave it be, but Tamar is persistent. And also brutally honest, so maybe hearing the need to move past and move on from her mouth instead of just the voice in your head will finally do the trick.
"We made it," you say quietly.
"We did," she smiles.
"We... all made it," you reiterate.
"By the Saints."
"And he was so happy and so proud and he had," you inhale deeply, "and he shares that joy so willingly."
"He is always himself," Tamar agrees, her eyes are watching your smaller movements, listening to the shuddering of your breath. She wants to help, to calm you down, to push off your nerves, but you asked long ago for no interference and she respects that. You want to feel what you feel, even now, even when you don't.
"So when he said he was so glad that I was okay, and he wrapped his arms around me, I forgot how to breathe, and for one- blindingly stupid moment I thought... I don't know what I thought, and it doesn't matter because it wasn't real."
"I wouldn't assume to know my brothers feelings so easily," Tamar says, "he might surprise you."
"Tamar, I fell in love with your brother a long time ago, he does nothing but surprise me," you say. Tamar tilts her head impressed at the honesty, impressed more at the bluntness.
"You cannot know his mind without talking to him," Tamar says.
“He doesn't love me. He's not that stupid.”
"To love you isn't stupid," she says, "besides if he did not love you, that would not be about you. I am somewhat convinced my brother is not built that way."
"Between his books and his faith what more could he need?" you ask.
"You're asking the wrong person," Tamar points out.
"I am not asking," you reply, "not really."
He held on just a moment longer than you thought he would, smiling down at you and that was it took for your hopes to jump high above your expectations, and come crashing down into you when he finally let you go. You do not know what you thought would happen, that you would win, all make it out alive and finally the timing would be right, things would be different, you would know it because you would feel it in the way he looks at you. But all you feel is this regret at letting yourself think it would change, letting yourself be disappointed in something that you knew would never happen. Your love for Tolya did not need to be requited but in the moments you hoped it would be, you had broken your own heart.
"For someone who reads so much of romance, with such a true admiration for the poetics of love, my brother is not always aware enough to recognise it, I have watched the same two lovestruck fools dance around each other for the same time that he has, and he has seen nothing where I have seen all that was unsaid but equally wanted," Tamar gestures. "He would not presume to know your feelings for him, because he sees love as something on a page, between the words and the mind. I think he has never considered it as something he might do, but that isn't to say he can't."
"I do not think you give him enough credit, you should have seen him with Jesper and Wylan," you state.
"A blind man could see what was happening between Jesper and Wylan," Tamar offers. "I think you should talk to him."
"I do not wish to waste my time Tamar, and it would be better that he know not at all, keep him in this blissful ignorance instead of him feeling some obligation to be delicate around me," you say.
"My brother would not treat you differently out of pity, his feelings are only ever genuine, and his actions intentional," Tamar defends.
"I do not want him to see me differently, and I do not want to hurt myself further, please let me wallow in peace," you say. Tamar sighs.
"You won't come back inside?" she asks.
"To listen to him read poems about love, show the beauty of romance, and wish for something else?" you ask. "No I shall wait for this feeling to pass, as it will pass, and I can be normal for him again."
Tamar just shakes her head, and says nothing else as she leaves.
You stare up and the sky is so dark and the stars so bright that that ring of light is soaking into the darkness, giving the stars a bigger brighter saturation, and you just want to breathe the cold air in and deep better. But you now just feel alone.
You feel the movement behind you before you hear the approach. "Tamar I have nothing more to say about it," you say.
"Not Tamar," comes Tolya's voice and startles you. You turn to look at him and he is so much closer than you realised, you want to chastise yourself for not noticing, for letting your guard so completely down.
But you were always like that with Tolya.
"I did not mean to upset you," Tolya says.
"How much did you hear?" you ask, leaning back on the balls of your feet, the guilt of all you may have put on him pulling at you. He goes to speak but his eyes give him away. "So everything." You sigh. "it's not your fault Tolya. My feelings are my responsibility."
"And so are mine," he says, coming to stand beside you as Tamar had before him. "You know, for all my love of poetry, I cannot claim to have felt what these poets have in their ways."
"Tolya, you don't have to explain," you say quickly, "I did not mean to put this on you-,"
"You are putting nothing on me," he states.
"I am not asking you to love me," you say, looking at your hands, begging them to stay steady.
"I know you're not, but I am not telling you I don't," he says. You look at him now, and his eyes are soft and golden, and his expression kind and light. He looks like the things poetry talks about, by the light of the starred night. "I care about you, and I don't know if it's in the way you want me to, but I don't know if I have ever felt that way, or if I will ever feel that way, but I need you to know that in my way, in all the ways I know how I do love you." You give him a weak smile and he feels your heartbeat steady for the first time all day. "Maybe I am just that stupid."
"You heard that?" You ask, relaxing enough to allow your shoulders to lean against him.
"I can pretend I didn't if you like," he offers. You laugh, and it's gentle, like the moment.
"I loved you: love may not have died
completely in my soul,
but don’t let it disturb you,
I don’t wish you any pain," you recite, your breath standing cold in the air, but the feeling ever warmer than before.
"I loved you without hope or voice," Tolya continues.
with diffidence, jealousy,
as tenderly, truly, as Saints grant
you may be loved again."
#shadow and bone#six of crows#tolya#tolya x reader#tolya yul bataar#grishaverse#fanfiction#Tolya is so aroace coded that when I am writing romance stuff it shows#platonic love is one of the most important things to me#tolya my darling I adore you
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Look I know that if they don't I'll eventually come to accept it but this hc means a little too much to me and this is the Chance to make it canon
#tolya yul bataar#asexual!tolya#shadow and bone#grishaverse#netflix shadow and bone#look as an aroace asian starved of poc ace rep you won't get how much it would mean to me to have this#leigh bardugo#shadow and bone netflix#shadow and bone s2
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Nikolai: Don’t preach to me about romance, Tolya. I had a three-way in a hot-air balloon.
#i find it so funny that tolya is the one that gives out relationship advice as the aroace of the group#tolya yul bataar#nikolai lantsov#malkolina#grishaverse#shadow and bone#incorrect grisha quotes
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tolya is the aroace friend who has never been (and doesn’t want to) in a relationship that gives great relationship advice that works.
#it’s me#you can’t tell me it’s not tolya helping jesper.#aroace tolya#aroace#lgbtqia+#bataar twins#siege and storm#grishaverse#shadow and bone#tolya my darling i love you so much#fuck tolnej#aromatic#asexual#sab#shadow and bone season 2#tolya yul bataar
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The only ones allowed to be on a love triangle with Kanej are Nina and kruge
#i really don’t want Netflix setting up tolya to suffer#our aroace king deserves better#six of crows#netflix shadow and bone#kaz brekker#inej ghafa#nina zenik#shadow and bone
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Tolya being the person Jesper goes to for relationship advice is so funny bc it's so accurate as an aroace person lmao
#and the way the advice was just to communicate IS SPOT ON#the amount of times this has happened to me#aroace#tolya yul bataar#tolya#shadow and bone season two spoilers#sab s2#shadow and bone
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I HAVE OPINIONS!
Season 2 is rushed if you view it as a one-to-one adaptation.
As a fan fiction (which we’ve been told from the start this is basically fan fiction) I am SO HYPED FOR WHAT IS TO COME.
I’ve always though Storm and Siege and Ruin and Rising could have been combined into one book. The Fire Bird reveal I could see coming from the start of book 2. So getting all that out of the way now and leading us into a fun alternate ending with new implications for the two duologies is super interesting to me.
I completely get why people are upset about some early CK scenes. But I think adding them and putting them into a new light is a smart idea. We might not get to the same points of those scenes in this show.
The crows are starting off older. Kaz already had the crow club. Taking over the dregs wasn’t going to happen with the same character implications. He didn’t start under Haskell, so we used the massive fight scene to show how ruthless Kaz is in a fight on his own.
The Kaelish Prince thing was also a great way to demonstrate to new viewers Kazs whole “act like a monster and they’ll believe you” thing. It’s too early to take down Pekka completely, so we get this scene still while putting Rollins in a new power dynamic
The bandaid scene wasn’t the bandaid scene. They hinted at it. We have a base for how much contact Kaz can handle. Inej didn’t even get to talk about how touch is difficult for her too. I think we will get that later
So I forgive them for those things, I’m glad we got to see bits of the story acted as amazing as they did
I think I only have two main complaints
David :( HE IS TRIUMVIRATE HE COULD EXIST WITH SANKTA ALINA IT COULD HAVE BEEN ALINA AND HER TRIUMVIRATE >:(
I’m so worried about Tolya and Inej. Not even for the sake of Kanej. But Tolya is like the one crumb of aroace representation we have and they did the thing where they lingered on their smile a bit and they’re both good actors I saw a thing and went oh no. It’s not a sure thing maybe they will be friends (as they should! I want to see Tolya and Inej interact!) but please please please
So those are my thoughts. I’m so excited give me Alina Villain Arc
#shadow and bone#shadow and bone spoilers#six of crows#tolya yul bataar#asexual#aromantic#aroace#kaz brekker
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disclaimer: I haven’t read the sab books so my knowledge of tolya comes from the show and people who’ve read the books
the only time I will ever accept a mention of romantic tolnej is if it’s a scenario where tolya was being 110% unintentional and completely platonic but everyone else is on their allo bullshit and thinks it was romantic. like someone slyly mentions that tolya was “flirting” with inej and tolya’s eyes slowly widen, he lowers whatever he’s holding and asks in the most pained voice “I was doing what?”
and the entire plot is tolya being horrified by how what he thought were just nice things to do were coming across as flirting.
“you helped her up onto the boat-”
“it’s called being a freaking gentleman, were you people raised in a barn?”
#shadow and bone#tolya yul bataar#inej ghafa#inej is also shocked to find ppl think tolya was hitting on her#aroace tolya ftw
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