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Zukka was fine at first but now it just sucks. All the shippers I see strip both characters of who they actually are and shove them into the same tired klance/lams formula. It's not that hard to stay true to a character. Even though they're not as bad as other shippers, it's exhausting to see the same thing happen to popular gay ships over and over and over again, regardless of whichever fandom I'm in.
Please, don't strip characters of their rage or intelligence or issues just so you can shove them into their bastardized shipped moulds (soft boy x jock). Zuko is angry!!! and defends himself with that anger!! And he's a bit stuffy and stuck up! Sokka is SMART! And he's a competent leader and isn't just comic relief! Zuko doesn't break down sobbing the minute someone looks at him wrong and Sokka isn't Zuko's protector- they each have their own lives.
There's nothing wrong with shipping two characters together but PLEASE DON'T ERASE THEIR CHARACTERIZATION JUST SO YOU CAN SHIP THEM PLEASE.
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Some Zukka shippers need to understand that “Zutara shippers spend so much time arguing that their ship should be canon. Zukka shippers don’t care if our ship is canon or not because we’re above the ship wars” isn’t the sick burn they think it is.
Like YEAH obviously. Zukka is a ship that has almost no standing in canon in the first place. So many Zukka shippers admit that they are drawn towards the dynamic because they just like to see the characters together (there’s nothing wrong with liking a ship for this reason).
But the entire reason that Zutara is still as popular today as it was 15 years ago is because the narrative strongly suggests that it would be canon. If ATLA was a bottle, many Zutara shippers believe that the wrong cap was screwed on in its final moments.
Zukka is a ship that is not backed by the narrative while Zutara is heavily backed by the narrative. So of course our conversations are going to revolve around different topics.
It’s not “above the ship wars” to complain about Zutara shippers gathering too much evidence that our ship should be canon, it’s actually inserting yourself into the ship wars.
#it’s just a dumb argument#good because you wouldn’t be able to win the canon argument anyways#ship whoever tf you want#I don’t care#just stop saying you’re better than us#cause we like to talk about the canonical potential of our ship#zutara#pro zutara#anti anti zutara#anti zukka#anti zukka shippers#atla
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It’s just interesting to observe the differences in how people treat Zukka vs how they treat Zutara. Because I searched Zutara on TikTok to look for some edits and the comments were filled to the brim with people saying “But Katara belonged with Aang 🥺” or “How can you ship Zuko with her after Mai said such a romantic line?” Or perhaps the most insufferable of all “Maturing is realizing that Zuko would’ve thrown himself in from of lightning for ANYONE” as if that’s some revolutionary reading of the text. It’s so irritating how this kind of behaviour is…accepted by the fandom.
But you don’t get that with Zukka, instead you see people gushing over how sweet they are together, hailing it as a wholesome and unproblematic ship, praising artworks of it with positivity and appreciation. It’s difficult to find much negativity under Zukka posts, you won’t see people saying “But Sokka belongs with Suki 🥺” or boldly going on a tangent about how another ship is SO much better. I saw one person praise Zukka as the most unproblematic ATLA ship because of how little conflict there was about it, that you wouldn’t see the same hostility among that fandom as you might with Zutara.
But there’s a reason for that which has less to do with Zutara shippers themselves, and more to do with the harassment and hostility they face on all sides of the fandom. Fans will go out of their way to antagonize Zutara shippers, they’ll feel brazen enough to leave backhanded or outright hostile comments under Zutara posts and art, they’ll interject their shipping opinions in spaces where nobody asked and condescend Zutara shippers by framing them as shallow or delusional for shipping it.
I think Zukka is admittedly cute, and they definitely have their haters, but the difference between it and Zutara is astounding. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch this phenomenon play out, especially when these shippers carry themselves with a kind of false moral superiority that can only be found in shipping discourse.
#especially ESPECIALLY when Zutara is constantly being hit with the old *colonizer x colonized* accusations#But somehow Zukka manages to avoid that same criticism despite Sokka being from the same tribe as Katara#Frustrating as a poc zutara shipper to constantly be accused of being a white person romanticizing a supposedly *colonizer romance* dynamic#katara#Zuko#pro zutara#atla discourse#atla fandom#atla fandom salt#atla fandom critical#shipping discourse#enemies to lovers#anti Zukka#anti maiko#avatar the last airbender
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I knew the new show was going to bring the worst people to the Zutara tag. I know the other tags are less interesting, but there are clearly at least one or two people who want to talk about it. Go find each other and stop perpetuating the shipping drama you're constantly whining about. In case you're confused about how, notice how I'm not tagging your ship here.
#atla#zutara#anti kataang#anti zukka#anti maiko#i am#team ship and let ship#but keep that mess over there
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Zutara being the most popular ship in the ATLA fandom just sits so right with me
#zutara#atla#avatar the last airbender#katara x zuko#zuko x katara#anti zukka#anti kataang#anti maiko
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blah blah something something about how fandom gravitate towards more individualistic characters because they’re easier to understand compared to community-oriented characters whose character development is very much tied to their culture/nation because understanding a single character is easier to understand than a character AND an entire culture, especially when said culture is based off a marginalized community that exists in real life 🫠 and said fandom is majority WHITE.
#mini rant#fandom problems#aka#atla fandom problems#yes this is about#katara#cuz when am i not talking about katara#and how this fandom does NOT understand her#because y’all don’t bother to learn about the cultures the white men took from for this show#and how katara’s entire character revolves around her community and her role in it#which is also why that horrible ship is allowed to prevail#because this fandom downplays katara’s loyalty to her tribe#and the cultural implications of that ship#anti zutara#anti zutara fandom#the same can be said for zukka before someone brings it up#in fact#anti zukka#when the tags longer than the post#lmao#i’m not even gonna mention who the individualistic characters are because
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Zukka makes no sense
Ok here we go…I hate zukka. Don’t get me wrong I absolutely have nothing against the people who ship them, you guys are alright. It’s just so…random. Like where in the world did this ship come from. They basically had that ONE episode, which mind you contains not even an ounce of romantic tension, in which Zuko helps Sokka rescue his dad and-wait-what’s that? Oh yeah his GIRLFRIEND! (Yes, I talking about the girlfriend Sokka is crazy in love with.) So basically zukka is built without a base foundation, it was pulled out of thin air. It is also common in this ship for Zuko to be portrayed as a uwu femboy and honestly completely out of character, if you watched one episode of Atla you would know he is the literal opposite. It is mainly shipped because people see two attractive men and go feral. I know that some people ship it because of the “red/blue” trope or the “enemies to lovers” trope, but you know what? Zutara does that. And it does it so much better.(they actually have chemistry and romantic subtext, what a concept). With this in mind I have seen SOOOOO much hate for the ship that makes sense: Zutara. Compared to its baseless counter part, which everyone seems to love and seen as the “pure ship” I just don’t get it.
If I get hate for this don’t care, I just telling the facts.
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Sorry, but I feel like you ship Zukka just because Zutara is much better than canon and it threatens your ship.
Beside, even if Zutaran ship Zutara just for fun, canon shipper would still call us delulu, because it's Zuko and Katara. 'How about Aang if they're together', right?
We are ruining shipping experience for everyone? Really? There are a lot of artists mind their own business, upload Zutara fanarts for fun on their own social media, then the comment full of hate from canon shipper. Why?
Forget about headcanons. I think, every ships have headcanons, even Zukka. But what's wrong with metas and analysis?
Well, okay, Zutara shipper very much delulu! They do a lot of metas and analysis. Even worse, they use materials from the show, not just making up from their heads. Bad! Very bad!
I mean, what's wrong with Zutara shipper? Zuko and Katara have no chemistry at all in the show.
I don't need to show all the proofs, there's too many.
But still, Zutara shipper so pathetic! Because, you see, Dante Basco as Zuko VA and Mae Whitman as Katara VA ship Zutara as well.
(Reminding again about Zutara shipper ruined shipping experience for everyone, Dante Basco didn't do anything wrong with any fandom but he got a lot of hate because he vocally ship Zutara. Why?)
And Greg Baldwin as Uncle Iroh VA personally ship Zutara!!!
Jack de Sena as Sokka VA does support Zutara too in a lot of ways, you know? 😭😭
Zutara shipper are so delusional, because even John O'Brian as ATLA writer ship Zutara. He also said that the writers talked a lot about Zutara in writer room, but they were lost the fight.
Yeah, Zutara shipper shouldn't think Zuko and Katara were almost canon! That would ruin the canon shipper mood.
Unfortunately, I as Zutara shipper being delusional that even Netflix ship Zutara!! 😭😭
Why gave us crumbs if Zutara just delusion??!!! 😭😭
#pro zutara#zutara#zuko and katara#zuko x katara#anti anti zutara#anti kataang#anti zukka#anti bryke#antikataang#atla zutara#natla zutara
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"zutara is SO problematic when you think about it i can actually write thesis about that and the self insert? omg-"
"anyways i love my zukka💙💜❤"
some of you are just typing words you do realize that the self insert argument fits into ANY zuko ship right ? zukka too.... these ships are literally cousins you cant say u think zk is problematic and then go and ship zukka bitch are u dumb ??
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zukka does not solve the zutara and kataang debate since it removes katara—the main person of interest, the actual key component—from the conversation at hand I fear… zukka is not the remedy to zk v. ka since the only thing it’s doing is removing the focus from the topic of katara’s poor treatment as a female character in the narrative by the writers to simply prioritizing her brother I fear… i see this take so much and as a katara stan first and foremost-
#MISSING THE DAMN POINY#i remember the shit katara got put through during the atla renny and I’m saying NOT on my watch#not again y’all won’t do this again#anti zukka#zutara#katara#atla
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Im high and that means its time to apeak my truth again. This is my disclaimer to not take this super seriously or anything go touch grass
I've never seen a good argument for why zukka is narratively better than zutara OBVIOUSLY ship and let ship, (Y'ALL motherfuckers are the ones that started pitting them against each other anyway) but honestly it sounds like a lot of y'all just like it because it's a gay klance coded (derogatory) ship. which is fine whatever none of my business but like just own it you don't really need to justify your preferences
Atla hit Netflix like two years after voltron ended so I don't think It's accurate to call it a rebound ship and I'm sure it was a thing before that. But also some of you fuckers slandered my girl katara for no good fucking reason and for that I think you should like, suffer a horrible fate, step on a Lego, piss your pants, whatever.
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Why People Hate Momtara/Dadko
I was in the Momtara/Dadko tag and I was surprised how many people are disgusted by it. But I have a theory on why it bothers some people.
It’s a tag that references the fact that both Katara and Zuko act as the Gaang’s kind-of-parents in the show. But it also points out the glaringly obvious difference in emotional maturity in the group. I think that when people start to acknowledge this difference, it might make shipping either Katara or Zuko with the other members of the Gaang feel kind of gross.
Because Aang and Toph both act very much like children (they’re like 11, so I get it) but, despite the fact that Katara is only 3 years older than Aang, she is MILES ahead of him in terms of emotional maturity. Aang deals with his emotions similarly to someone of his own age, like when Katara yells at him in the Waterbending Scroll and he immediately starts getting teary. That’s a normal reaction for a child, but Katara never yells at him again and shoves her own feelings aside for the better of the group (The Western Air Temple). She is constantly having to calm him down when he gets angry or goes into the Avatar State and always supports him emotionally (despite getting none of that back from Aang). On top of that, Aang doesn’t take responsibilities regarding the domestic chores, so it really makes Katara seem like more of a mother or older sister.
I also know that people ship Zukka (I don’t, but I know it’s popular) and, while Sokka acts close to his actual age, Zuko has a bitterness to him that came because of his banishment. Zuko even said in The Beach (S3 E5) that he doesn’t deal with the same problems that normal teenagers have. His trauma made him into someone who doesn’t see himself as a normal teen and we see how Iroh’s influence shaped Zuko whenever he is doing something good. Think about how he interacted with Lee (Zuko Alone) or the emotional maturity he shows when he apologizes to the Gaang (Western Air Temple) or when Katara blames him for her mother’s death (The Southern Raiders).
I just thought about that because it would make sense why it seems to disgust people. Because it’s seen as cute or a way for Katara and Zuko to support each other for a lot of Zutara fans (I’m not making a blanket statement, but there is a reason why it’s popular with a lot of us).
Just a theory.
#zutara#zuko#katara#momtara and dadko#Avatar The Last Airbender#atla ships#atla#what's with all the hate#also#if people don't like the tag#why put it under the tag?#put it under the anti tag#anti kataang#anti zukka
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It’s a bit of a self-own to express pride that the Zukka shipping base doesn’t produce many essays or meta analysis on the ship. That kind of content and engagement with the text is arguably one of the best things a fandom can do when it comes to shipping. Of course, not everything has to include in-depth analysis because sometimes you just want to ship something based on vibes and a dynamic you like. But…it is kinda odd to see this be touted as some amazing quality to the Zukka crowd (particularly when it’s a not-so-subtle dig at Zutara shippers).
To me, it reads as them trying to prove themselves as “humble” shippers by constantly trying to prove how unseriously they take it. But like…you can take it seriously? I don’t ship Zukka, but I see the appeal and can understand why that dynamic appeals to people, so it puzzles me that a bunch of Zukka shippers pride themselves on this front. Maybe they should consider channeling their energy into writing metas instead of constantly trying to prove that they’re above Zutara shippers lol
#guys don’t be afraid to like something in earnest#avatar the last airbender#anti zukka#atla fandom discourse#shipping discourse#zutara#atla fandom salt#atla fandom critical#atla discourse#atla
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It's as if fandom one day collectively decided "we need a slash ship we can blindly worship but it must be the most boring and contrived thing imaginable, with zero chemistry or basis in canon".
And then Zukka was born.
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I can't remember where I saw this but there was this post I saw a while ago about how if zutarians "really wanted to engage in media analysis they would ship zvkaang" and I just... Ugh.
For one, the age difference is gross to me, especially considering a lot of anti-kat@ang zutara arguments center around the fact that Aang was not mature enough to be in a relationship based on the way he treated Katara, and pointing out that Katara is considerably more emotionally mature than Aang throughout the series. Shipping Aang and Zuko, who remember are canonically twelve and sixteen throughout the series, may be okay for a lot of chronic anime fans (from my understanding anime has huge age gaps like that all the time) but a large age gap is basically the first thing that puts me off of a ship. It's the same thing with ships like tokk@ and zvtoph and sokk@ang. A two year age difference is fine for high schoolers, but four years is really, really pushing it, especially when you consider that Aang would be fourteen when Zuko is eighteen.
And if that weren't disqualifying enough, whereas zutara has a truly incredible amount of romantic coding from the music used in certain scenes to small gestures such as them reaching for each other in the final agni kai and Katara's thumb on Zuko's lips in the crystal caves scene to the "she's not my girlfriend!", a common romantic trope being used several times between them, zvkaang has no romantic coding. They honestly remind me of that "platonic tension" textpost that was making the rounds a while ago. That being said, I do understand that "chemistry" and "romantic coding" are fairly relative concepts, but it definitely isn't heteronormativity that makes people see zutara instead of zvkaang as romantic (and although I also ship zvkka to a lesser extent the same can kind of be said there).
Anyway, with a weird age difference and zero romantic coding, that, in my opinion, kind of derails the ship, but its also worth mentioning that the original post's only argument seemed to be that just because Zuko and Aang are narrative foils, it makes sense that they should be romantically involved, which frankly, isn't a very good argument, especially when you consider that Zuko and Azula are also narrative foils and siblings. Narrative foils come in many forms, and come to think of it, I don't think I ship narrative foils from any show I've ever watched. The parallels between zutara often specifically highlight how they might suit each other romantically, and fit with the show's themes of balance.
This is just my opinion, and certainly not meant as a callout for any zvkaang shippers, especially those who are zutara and zvkaang shippers, I just felt it necessary to debunk the idea that if zutarians actually cared about literary analysis, they would ship zvkaang. It's just another half-assed, poorly thought out way to delegitimize zutara shippers and pretend that the ship has no canon basis, while in reality, anyone with an objective eye for media analysis can see that zutara is by no means a ship to be ignored.
#atla#avatar the last airbender#zutara#fandom salt#anti zukaang#anti zukka#anti kataang#emmie babbles
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I hate to do this but someone reblogged one of my posts and I scrolled down their tl, hoping to mutual, and saw this mess:
Do people actually somehow watch the show and not see every single moment where Katara blushes or plays with her hair around Aang, gets shy at the thought of kissing Aang, is clearly attracted to him in Book 3, gets jealous of any girl that’s also attracted to him.
Or Aang comforting Katara several times: hugging her in the Serpent’s Pass and validating her feelings to the point she cried, comforting her when Jet died and getting the whole group to hug her, telling her how she inspires people and gives them hope, literally tells her she’s a hero??
Aang and Katara literally having several disagreements, Aang’s perception of Katara changing over the three seasons, him agreeing with every single idea she had to flat out rejecting her advice, then wrongly blowing up at her after zuko and the rest were flat out racist to him?? Aang telling her to confront the man that killed her mother after she rejected his advice??
Mind you Katara can barely tell Aang likes her back until season 3 and clearly shows feelings for him way before he starts initiating romantic acts with her after TWO seasons of her touching, kissing him on the cheek and hugging him unprompted 💀 not to mention “forces non-romantic feelings on her” when she is the one that said he was her family after a week of knowing him?? what does that even meannnnn
And I’m supposed to believe that these people actually watched the show, paying attention to… KATARA?
On top of that, to say (not pictured) the only person to ever comfort her was the guy that attacked her several times 💀 and he didn’t even do anything??? used Sokka’s trauma to come up with a plan he didn’t even agree with (nor did he ask him, like you can ask him to retell the most horrible moment of his life, but you can’t ask him if taking his sister to confront the man is a good idea? you can’t even ask him if he wants to go??? that is literally the most horrible writing i’ve ever seen but i digress). on top of that doing it for the most obvious ulterior motive of getting her to forgive him. standing there while she bloodbended and almost killed a man, not knowing she just swore off doing the former weeks ago because all he knows her to be is hostile until that moment. He doesn’t know Katara to be someone that expresses love and kindness until she forgives him but apparently this is how you comfort someone over every single moment of Aang comforting her that I listed above. okayyyyy
Just to contrast for contrast’s sake, Aang:
1. offers to take Katara to the North Pole with zero ulterior motive,
2. gets her mother’s necklace back with zero ulterior move,
3. helps her destroy a factory with zero ulterior motive…
4. helps her get Haru back, stands up for her to Pakku, calls her Sifu when she complains, comes back to save her home and gives himself up, comes back to save her in ba sing se and I’m sure a million things I’m missing, all with literally zero ulterior motives at all.
Meanwhile antagonist does one nice thing for female mc with shady undertones that might as well be overtones and now he’s allegedly better than her friend who helps her several times for no reason other than the fact that its something she wants.
Like am I supposed to believe that these people actually like Katara or are media literate at all? I feel like I’m going insane 😭
#pro kataang#anti zutara#antizutara#anti anti kataang#anti anti aang#anti zuko#anti zukka#katara#aang#atla fandom problems#i think i need to put a dni in my bio#because these freaks are winding up on here reblogging my posts#the jokes write themselves#stay away from me
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