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quitealotofsodapop · 8 months

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Sorry just realized something funny about the Shadowpeach pregnancies.

First it was one (MK), then two (Eclipse Twins) and now three (Lunar Node Triplets). Maybe it is a good thing they are not interested in having any more magical pregnancies, if this keeps up they will be having quadruplets or quintuplets.

Haha! It was more a happy accident on my part XD

But yeah, Shadowpeach best be careful making more kids in the future. The "Buy 1, get 2 Free" situation with the Lunar Node Triplets have probably made them more wary when planning for future infants.

I wanted Macaque's little toyline shadow clones/Eclipse Twins (LMK) to be their kids, then I wanted the non-canon Yuebei Xing and ofc I had to include her brothers Jidu and Luohou (all three from "Journey to the South") cus they're so cool.

There are other "unofficial" kids of Sun Wukong in extended Journey to the West-inspired media that I wouldn't really count tho.

King Pāramitā (+4 unseen brothers) from "A Supplement to the Journey to the West" - set between an alternate timeline of Chapters 61 and 62 where Tripitaka gets kidnapped by a time traveller (even in 1640 people were pulling that trope) that somehow convinced him to give up the pilgrimage. King Pāramitā and his four brothers were apparently concieved when SWK accidentally got PIF knocked up when he transformed himself into a stomach bug/parasite in order to extort the Fan from her (Chapter 59 of JttW). I find that situation a bit too uncomfy/medically inaccurate so no. If anything I'd give Ironbull the bonus five kids, and that Pāramitā was the result of SWK accidentally lifting a curse from the couple - like when parents joke that their kid's "true parent" was a bottle of alcohol.

And since LMK's MK himself is likely a whole reference to Sun Luzhen from "Later Journey to the West" (17th century), it would be a little redundant to make a Sun Luzhen kid. Does give my Wukongverse idea of each of the SWKs having an "MK" weight tho.

In hindsight; between my au Shadowpeach's bio and adopted kids, I accidentally gave SWK the "five sons" (MK, Rumble, Jidu & Luohou, + the adopted Chenxiang) he's said to have had in A Supplement. XD

I would like to thank @journeytothewestresearch for their endless dedication and research into these sort of topics, since I use their articles as sources. I apologise for using your research as fanfic material. Go check their website out if you got any Jttw questions.

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journeytothewestresearch · 2 years

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Who raised paramita and the rest of sun wukong's children?

SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!

A Supplement to the Journey to the West (Xiyoubu, 西遊補, 1640)

King Paramita and his four (unnamed) siblings don't actually exist. They are figments from a dream world created by a fish demon to distract Monkey. The novel mentions in passing that Sun Wukong and Princess Iron Fan are a couple with five handsome sons. But this comes as a shock to our hero upon learning second hand (a good representation of this realm's transitory nature).

Journey to the South (Nanyouji, 南遊記, c. 1570s to 1580s)

As for his other children, Jidu, Luohou, and Yuebei Xing, this novel never mentions anything about a mother. Perhaps they have different mothers, and then the entire community helped raise them. Monkey is after all the king of the primates on the Mountain of Flowers and Fruit. As the alpha, he would have his pick of any girl monkeys.

But I should point out that Sun doesn't show any interest in sex in the standard 1592 version of the story. One paper suggests that this was a response to an early-Ming play in which he is cast as a sex fiend.

Those wishing to learn more about the Monkey King's literary children can read my article:

#Sun Wukong #Monkey King #Monkey King's children #Sun Wukong's children #Journey to the West #JTTW #A Supplement to the Journey to the West #Xiyoubu #Journey to the South #Nanyouji #Lego Monkie Kid #Jidu #Luohou #Yuebei Xing

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maidenofthecloud · 10 months

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here is a doodled of king paramita and his four nameless brothers

#lego monkie kid #king paramita #lmk king paramita #a supplement to the journey to the west

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the-monkey-ruler · 12 days

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So, all the children that swk has are 100% yaoguai monkeys, or are some of them human? I think King Paramiya and Yuebei Xing have human appearance? I mean the ancient writings, not books or adaptation of JTTW.

It’s hard to say as we don’t get a lot of information about them.

Paramita is easier to at least know what he could look like (however please keep in mind that this is a dream and that Paramita technically wouldn't have to follow any set rules due to being in a fantasy) as we know that his mother is Princess Iron Fan. He was not conceived in the traditional sense however as he was born when Wukong accidentally got Princess Iron Fan preggers when he jumped in her tummy. Funny enough he did this to like four other demons as well so... perhaps we know where Paramita's four unnamed brothers came from. Joking of course, it is said that Paramita's four other brothers are also Princess Iron Fans BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUNNY.

The only description I can find in the book about Paramits is that he is "dashing" and this might cause he takes more after Princess Iron Fan. Sadly, looking like a monkey-yao was not considered "dashing" and therefore I think decreases his chances of being as such. Paramita would be half monkey yao and half Rākṣasī if he was real. There is few other pure yao children in mythos, the only one we really can compare him to is Red Boy (who doesn't exist in this fantasy dream) as he has a very human-looking appearance as well. I talked a bit about this, but it could be that since Wukong and Iron Fan are already very cultivated that their children would take on a human-like appearance to show this. In any case, Paramita wouldn't have any reason to look human since neither his parents are human, but still, he has powerful parents who have cultivated to a human form he would be able to have a human form as well.

Of course, there is a part in the Supplement JTTW where Wukong meets another version of himself but as an old man. Wukong is still a monkey but he sees another version of himself as well but as an old man that is his "true spirit" in Chapter 10. This is strange cause Wukong in his dream was he was called "only having a monkey face" but he wasn't Sun Wukong because he wasn't a Monkey Yaoguai. This could be saying that Wukong in his dream transcend his own monkey body and form and rather moving into a full human form. This would increase the chances of King Paramita's hypothetic form being seen as all-human if this was the case as well.

On the left is the White Ape Perfected Man that I think Wukong's "true spirit" would look like in Supplement. On the right is King Paramita from a modern Comic Strip published in 2021 as there is little to no other modern interpretations of King Paramita.

Yuebei Xing and her brother are a tad different and harder to pinpoint due to their mother being unknown. Certainly, they are half-monkey-yaoguai but as for mothers, it could range from another monkey yao to a mortal to an immortal to even Wukong using the baby river himself. Hard to say but there are possibilities.

If Yuebei Xing's mother was human than the chances of her and her siblings looking human increase greatly. However, if they are a yao then they COULD look human with some cultivation but that doesn't mean they would be born looking human guarantee. This is also a story that would be based more on the Xiyouji Zaju play Wukong where he kidnaps his human-wife in the introduction and doesn't reach Buddhahood by the end of the play so it would be within reason to believe that Wukong got another human-leaning wife whether that be mortal or immortal.

But unlike Paramita, Yuebei Xing DOES have a description!

"Monkey King had a daughter named Yuebei Xing. She had a crooked head with large eyes and a broad mouth, a wide waist, thick hands, and long feet with thunderous footsteps. Every time, she would utterly defeat her enemies. Yuebei Xing stepped forth, "I'm going too." "You were so ugly," the little Suns roared with laughter, "You will become a laughingstock in front of Huaguang.""

She is described as more outlandish in form and even called ugly, however, this could be that she simply takes more after her father's face as he was called ugly as well.... or maybe she is only ugly by monkey standards, it is hard to say. Despite this description, however, it does not say that she looks like a monkey or a human as while a detailed list of what she has, doesn't lean towards human or monkey either way.

I'm taking from @journeytothewestresearch page about his articles for Yuebei Xing but she is noted to have two forms from Secret Practice of the Primordial Lord Yuebei 元皇月孛祕法. So this is not from the same author as JTTS but can still provide some idea of what her past interpretations could have looked like.

"In the form of a celestial human, their hair is let down over their naked body. Their mass of black hair covers the navel. Red sandals. Their left hand holds the head of a drought demon. Their right hand holds a blade. They ride a jade dragon. In their modified form, [they display] a blue face with long fangs, a crimson garment and blade, while driving a bear." (Kotyk, 2017, p. 62).

It could be that in JTTS was learning more to her modified form as she is given more extravagant details to her description.

The left image is of Yuebei Xing in her celestial form with her sword in hand. On the right is where she is drawn as a man but still holding her sword and severed head.

However, these are descriptions based on Yuebei Xing outside of JTTS and therefore would not be considered to have any monkey relations to her. If that is the case then that could be as to why the author of JTTS didn't describe her celestial form or her modified form as he was creating a new original look for her NOW that she is half-monkey. It wouldn't be fair to say that she is one or the either considering that now her origins have not only changed but also are unknown who or what her other parent is either.

So overall I can't say that they can be 100% monkeys as King Paramita is half rākṣasī and Yuebei Xing (and possibly her brothers) are most likely not from a monkey-yao mother. But while Paramita wouldn't look monkey himself there could be hope for Yuebei Xing and her brothers since their origin has not only changed from her previous depictions but also that her mother is left to interpretations. So while the chances of her being 100% are low they are not impossible at the very least.

Take it as you will!

#anon ask #anonymous #anon #sun wukong #jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #ask #supplement journey to the west #journey to the south #jtts #sjjtw #yuebei xing #paramita #jidu #luohou

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jttwconfessions · 1 month

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#journey to the west #the tower of myriad mirrors #supplement to the journey to the west #journey to the west confession #jttwconfessions #072

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yourlocaleggperson · 1 month

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This paragraph of Tower of Myriad mirrors always leaves me so happy... Even if Wukong kills the children 5 minutes later

#lego monkie kid #lmk #jttw #journey to the west #A Supplement to Journey to the west #the tower of myriad mirrors #I Love Zhu Bajie so much

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sketching-shark · 3 months

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a question how bad or disrespectful would it be to use the name as king paramita for an oc I really like the way it sounds It sounds like the name of a perfectionist character, someone who always seeks efficiency as a personal goal. I don't know, that's what it transmits to me

Thanks for the question anon! And as far as I'm aware using the name King Paramita for an oc wouldn't be disrespectful at all.

From what little I know the word "Pāramitā" is a Sanskrit term often translated as "perfection," and that it is used in Buddhism to describe the character of enlightened beings, or the paths bodhisattvas must follow to become true buddhas. And you wouldn't be the first to use it for an OC! The author of the unofficial side-journey for Journey to the West called A Supplement to the Journey to the West (published in 1640), after all, involves Sun Wukong meeting his "son" King Pāramitā in an illusion created by a goldfish demon.

So given this, "King Pāramitā" sounds like a pretty good name for an oc who's a perfectionist! That said, if you're still feeling uncertain about it you may want to do more research into Buddhism, and particularly Mahāyāna Buddhism, to get a better sense of how this term is commonly used and why your oc may have that name.

Of course, it again can't be forgotten that "King Pāramitā" is the name of someone's oc from the 1600s who was there to be a "what-if" scenario/mess with Sun Wukong's mind, so take that precedent as you will XD

I'm also linking @journeytothewestresearch's article on the fan children that people have come up with for the Monkey King over the centuries, as it gives more detail into what said oc does in A Supplement to the Journey to the West, as well as gets more into the term "Pāramitā" in Buddhism:

#anon answered #king paramita #sun wukong #monkey king #journey to the west #jttw #xiyouji #supplement to journey to the west

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loyaltykask · 4 months

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Made this to show how the quintuplets' power dynamics work! The Supplement children are based on the Five Chinese Elements, both in their designs and their powers.

Generating cycle (相生 xiāngshēng) is:

Wood feeds Fire

Fire produces Earth (ash, lava)

Earth bears Metal (geological processes produce minerals)

Metal collects Water (water vapor condenses on metal)

Water nourishes Wood (Water flowers, plants and other changes in forest)

Weakening cycle (相洩/相泄 xiāngxiè) is:

Wood depletes Water

Water rusts Metal

Metal impoverishes Earth (erosion, destructive mining of minerals)

Earth smothers Fire

Fire burns Wood (forest fires)

Destructive cycle (相克 xiāngkè) or Overacting cycle (相乘 xiāngchéng) is:

Wood grasps or stabilizes or depletes Earth (roots of trees can prevent soil erosion/depletion of nutrients in soil, over-farming, over-cultivation)

Earth contains or directs or obstructs Water (dams or river banks/over-damming)

Water dampens or regulates or extinguishes Fire

Fire melts or refines or shapes Metal (affecting its integrity)

Metal chops or carves Wood (makes it rigid to easily snap)

Counteracting cycle (相侮 xiāngwǔ or 相耗 xiānghào) is:

Wood dulls Metal

Metal de-energizes Fire (conducting heat away)

Fire evaporates Water

Water muddies or destabilizes Earth

Earth rots Wood (buried wood rots)

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rebeltigera · 1 month

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About Wukong's children, they're actually non canon. In total there are about 9 non canon children from different fan sequels.

Paramita and his four brothers from supplement of journey to the west. (Wukong jumped inside PIF's stomach and thus she had quintuplets)

The lunar node triplets Jidu, Louhou and Yubei Xing from Journey to the south.

Luzhen from later journey to the west. (Basically its a repeat stone egg birth but Wukong is a spirit and there's decendents?)

Still

Wukong went for milk

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badasstransswag · 1 year

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Just asking out of curiosity, but where does the idea that swk is trans come from?

Macaques are matriarchal, and 王 (typically translated as the "king" in Monkey King) was historically a gender neutral title. This is widely known enough that some scholarly readings of JTTW interpret the other macaque in his sworn brotherhood to be a female monkey king. (On a similar but less impactful note, though often translated as "Handsome Monkey King," Sun Wukong's title of 美猴王 more accurately translates to "Beautiful Monkey King," with 美/beautiful having feminine connotations.)

It is widely known that Sun Wukong was appointed the position of 弼马温 (translated directly as “to soothe the horses”) as a pun on the identically pronounced 避马瘟 ( “to ward off sickness for horses”). This title references a traditional Chinese belief (often cited to 马经 by 赵南星 of the Ming dynasty) that female monkeys and their menstruation would ward off plague for horses if kept in the same stable

The disciples in Journey to the West hold elemental names in addition to their given and Buddhist names. Zhu Bajie and Sha Wujing both have feminine elemental names (木母 "Wood Mother" and 黄婆 "Yellow Matron" respectively), but in contrast, Sun Wukong holds a masculine elemental name, 金公 Metal/Gold Male

Sun Wukong is a 妖 yao, and yao in general have a history of being associated with the Chinese trans community. (Supplemental: see Bai Suzhen being read as an allegory for trans panic)

Thematically-wise, Sun Wukong's story is one of transgressing boundaries. JTTW as a whole is a story that places a lot of weight on the topic of transformation and change. Buddhas becoming humans, humans becoming gods, gods becoming yaoguai, yaoguai becoming buddha, buddhas taking the face of yaoguai. Yin within yang, light within dark, nothing is inherent, nothing is black and white. 变化者乃天地之自然 "Change is the nature of heaven and earth" (Daoist text 抱朴子 by 葛洪), 诸行无常 "all forms are ever-changing/no self is permanent" (Buddhist three marks of existence), etc etc. Sun Wukong is at the center of it all, a yao who not only asserts his identity as a god, but also a yao who will not change his being in lieu of that (SWK is very invested in showing off his grand power, and achieving/living in human form is an end goal show of power by many yao, yet SWK markedly remains steadfast in keeping his monkey form). SWK is a yaoguai, a god, and a buddha all at once, transcending boundary over boundary and master of the 72 transformations, transforming himself into what he wants to be and what he feels is true for himself.

This naming scene: 祖师笑道：“你身躯虽是鄙陋，却像个食松果的猢狲。我与你就身上取个姓氏，意思教你姓‘猢’。猢字去了个兽傍，乃是个古月。古者，老也；月者，阴也。老阴不能化育，教你姓‘狲’倒好。狲字去了兽傍，乃是个子系。子者，儿男也；系者，婴细也，正合婴儿之本论。 "The Patriarch laughed and said, “Though your features are not the most attractive, you do resemble a pignolia-eating monkey (husun). This gives me the idea of taking a surname for you from your appearance. I intended to call you by the name Hu. If I drop the animal radical from this word, what’s left is a compound made up of the two characters, gu and yue. Gu means aged and yue means female, but an aged female cannot reproduce. Therefore, it is better to give you the surname of Sun. If I drop the animal radical from this word, what we have left is the compound of zi and xi. Zi means a boy and xi means a baby, and that name exactly accords with the fundamental Doctrine of the Baby Boy." -JTTW Chapter 1

Also 1961 Sun Wukong speaks in a very characteristically Chinese opera 生 voice while no other character in the movie really does so outside of exclamations and such. And well... (The sheng is a role type in Chinese opera for dignified and respectable male characters such as Confucian scholars, nobles, or heads of households. They may be portrayed by either male actors or actresses. In Yue opera, sheng roles have been mainly portrayed by actresses. Actresses playing men (sheng) is also common in some southern genres like Teochew opera and Taiwanese opera. It also appears in Ping opera. (Wikipedia))

#asks #he's basically the only one who hasnt turned to the camera and said 'i'm trans' on this poll but i think its enough .#thank you marcus for all of this teehee

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avissapiens · 5 months

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Jockbull Summer Week 4 Set C (3/12/23-10/12/23)

Model used is Onome Egger

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I have continued the trend of fasting+cardio day. It’s actually not that bad. What was bad was the decision to bake while fasting. It’s not that I wanted the food. I don’t eat most of what I bake. But I couldn’t realistically test things too much to make sure they came out well. Luckily they were quite good the next day. Only half of one. It’s still cutting season.

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I got two in again! The first one was just kind of a general muscle flash. Brain producing lovely images for myself. Who needs AI when your head is already so full of muscle.

The second one however was a deeper introspection done together with Abg. We’re both POC but in many senses we are atypical. And yet still the presence of stereotypes still kind of gets in the way of both of our minds, and in particular our muscular journeys. We are both dead-set on breaking stereotypes and still coming out on top, so that was the seed for this meditation. There’s a lot of stereotypes for Black folks. And I know they are nonsense because not only do I not embody them, but most of my friends, relatives, peers etc from back home don’t either. But every time that one encounters a situation where you do meet that stereotype in yourself or in others, you pause for a second. Because especially while living in a mostly white country, you become extremely aware of the fact that everything you do is a form of ambassadorship for anyone who looks like you and visa versa. Which is a shitty burden to bear. Even after coming from a background of Black excellence in the Caribbean, there’s still so many stereotypes that come to mind. The perception of black people being unattractive, or if we are, it can only be in a brutish, animalistic, unrefined non-aesthetic way that doesn’t adhere to societal norms.

The mental stereotypes of underperformance and stupidity. The lack of ambition.

So many stereotypes are strangely contradictory too

That we're just needlessly loud and confrontational all the time but still get portrayed as servile slaves.

That we can only be good at sports but still deserve to be excluded from them. That we can't perform well at anything else. The strange juxtaposition of the athletic achievement that many POC are forced into because they lack the resources to pursue other interests and the idea that Ethnic food is unhealthy, dirty. And the very real reality of unequal access and outcomes for healthcare. The idea, often reinforced within the community, that we do not belong in certain places. In certain professions. In nature, in the world at large. That we should remain forever in this conservative slave mentality while we exist in the west.

Frankly, I see muscle and hypnosis as ways of outgrowing and defeating these stereotypes. Of changing perceptions not only for me but for my community. Perception is everything because it means that those who come after can see something different for themselves.

3.

Anyway on a lighter note. Yup, we’ve entered an edging period. It always feels so fucking good after a full week of building that erotic energy. It takes you to new and darker places and makes you vulnerable to things you might not have been before. Sometimes thats good. Sometimes its dangerous. But even that danger comes with a certain appeal.

4.

Its been a rough and busy week working on the first comm. I have some ideas brainstormed with Jockrs for an avis abstraction, it’s just always a whole different story putting pen to paper. Wish me better luck for the next week.

5.

So this one’s been interesting. It’s less been a process of drafting and then sticking. More a progressive building of momentum. Incorporating more and more things until the morning and myself feels more whole. I’ve ordered a bunch of supplements to take. A bunch of skincare stuff to harden my routine. I’ve expanded my already existing routine and even incorporated some new concepts from the world of Looksmaxxing. Truthfully, there is this deep desire in me to grow so much more in so many dimensions.And the himbo programming has definitely made one of those dimensions my aesthetics. Not for anyone else’s pleasure but for my own. I already know i’m gorgeous to other people. I want to be brilliant for myself and to be able to use that element of me like a tool and a weapon.

#jockbull summer #JBS #jock #bull

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journeytothewestresearch · 2 years

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You wouldn't happen to know if anyone has translated A Supplement to the Journey to the West, have you? I found a few online links to the book, all in Mandarin, and have been google translating it to read but of course, I feel like I'm missing a lot of content to things.

I know it is not that popular or that well-known but I still really think it's an interesting and fun addition to JTTW inspired stories.

There are two translations, actually:

Dong, Y., Lin, S. F., & Schulz, L. J. (2000). The Tower of Myriad Mirrors: A Supplement to Journey to the West. Ann Arbor: Center for Chinese Studies, The University of Michigan.

Dong, Y., Hegel R. E., & Li, Q. (2020). Further Adventures on the Journey to the West. University of Washington Press.

I've only read the first one.

Both are available on libgen.is (a great resource for book PDFs). Once you click on the respective links below, select "get" at the top to download a PDF.

http://library.lol/main/8D3A13F5D9E9A9AE156069612B85B91E

http://library.lol/main/14BD8C38157C6475C8FA1E207535D9DFF

I've never had a problem downloading from the site. I know it's very popular with professional scholars. This is because scholarly books tend to be very expensive.

For those not familiar with A Supplement to the Journey to the West (Xiyoubu, 西遊補, 1640), it's an unofficial sequel to the original 1592 edition of JTTW. Please see my article here:

#Journey to the West #Sun Wukong #Monkey King #JTTW #A Supplement to the Journey to the West #Xiyoubu #book translation #book PDF #Lego Monkie Kid

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maidenofthecloud · 11 months

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Sun wukong is king yama's replacement as judge of the dead

Sun wukong with an intimidating face looking a Recently dead and very scared qin hui, He changes his expression to a quiet smile with a soft voice said

Sun wukong: well, prime minister qin hui, as I am new to being a judge of the dead, I have decided to start with something simple for you

Qin hui: *sigh of relief*

Sun wukong: ¡¡ someone bring the boiling oil !!

#a supplement to the journey to the west #supplement to journey to the west #xiyoubu #lego monkie kid

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the-monkey-ruler · 11 months

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If wukong drank the pregnancy water do you think he’d want to get an abortion or keep it? He could transform so that the baby would be delivered safely. And he’d probably leave it to be looked after by the woman kingdom if he did.

Honesty I think Wukong in the book wouldn’t keep it as his first priority was to get to India first and he seemed pretty fine with helping Bajie and Sanzang with getting the abortion water. Monks leaving the family and all that.

But if he was to keep it then honestly I think he would take the baby with him on the road. Why keep it with some strangers when he is Sun Wukong? Great Sage Equal to Heaven?! He doesn’t know those women and I wouldn’t blame him if he didn’t trust them either. He would just have the baby strapped his back and still being killing a million demons on the road. If anything the parental instincts just kick in harder to make him fight more.

Is that the safest thing? No, absolutely not. But I can see him doing that. That or he just goes back to Flower Fruit Mountain and asks his monkey troop to keep his baby safe while he finished the journey. Can visit them legit with just a single leap and they are about 6 years into the journey, and would need about 8 more years to wrap up. Of course, this is just right before the Six Ears Macaque arc. Would be such drama if Six Ears got to the child while Wukong was away.

Could be an interesting premise def!

#anonymous #anon #anon ask #jttw #journey to the west #xiyouji #sun wukong #not my hyperfixacting on th e supplement and jtts kids again #but here i am #single dad wukong #wukong found family #just let him be happpy with some little suns #he loves his little monkeys #and is a great grandpa #would be good dad #still kicking ass #but still dad #ask

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sophieinwonderland · 8 months

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that’s an interesting and really cool observation— not many ancient stories of time travel to the past. do you have any thoughts to why that might be?

I wonder if it’s related to different values of the people, or maybe those who were storytellers had less regrets. Like what kind of background would an ancient storyteller come from? More likely to be of a higher class or a revered status. Or maybe there were stories of time travel to the past, but they’ve been lost to time/not passed down.

(Context)

I think these are some solid possibilities.

On not being passed down, that would make sense. Time travel narratives are complicated. Storytellers passing them on is going to be hard and will be difficult for a lot of people to grasp. Maybe popular stories we know today might have even once had time travel elements but were simplified over hundreds of years of retellings. It's one possibility.

I'm not sure about higher class people having fewer regrets. If anything, I think they might have more. Having social mobility means more opportunities to make mistakes. And being at the top means that when something goes wrong, you're more likely to be blamed and feel responsible.

And these were periods where one would think regrets would abound with so many wars, plagues and corruption everywhere.

The Photograph Theory

One possibility I've pondered is that technology might have changed how we perceive time.

The first photograph was in the 1820s.

Hans Christen Andersen's The Galoshes of Fortune was written in 1838.

The first colored photograph was was taken in the 1860s.

In 1881, came The Clock That Went Backwards. There are many more time travel books written after, leading to the concept truly taking off with The Time Machine by HG Wells.

One could argue that the pictures may have influenced how we view the past then.

Or Maybe Not...

But that might be too presumptuous. Trying to find patterns to explain things in hindsight.

A Supplement to the Journey to the West in 1640 depicts a sort of time travel to the past. But that's actually a dream so it's questionable if it counts. Also, Memoirs of the Twentieth Century was written in 1733 and depicted someone getting written messages from the future. So despite these playing with the idea of time travel in some ways, neither directly involve actually visiting or altering the past.

Maybe the relationship between time travel and the photo is coincidental. These later time travel stories might be evolutions of those mentioned above. (But probably not since I doubt A Supplement or the Journey to the West was that well known around the world, and Memoirs of the Twentieth Century had most copies destroyed.)

I like the photograph theory at least, but I'm not certain.

Maybe our concept of time changed because of how fast advancements were happening?

It's not that the world was static before the last few hundred years, but it's been changing faster than ever.

If someone writes a story set in the 1400s, it's not going to be that different of a world from one set in the 1300s. At least on a technological level.

In comparison, almost every few decades in recent history have been world-changing. Compare the 2010s to the 1980s. Compare the 80s to the 50s. The 50s to the 20s. The 20s to the 1890s.

It appears that the rate the world has changed has radically increased. This could then affect people's perceptions of this time.(But then, maybe that observation is just bias itself, a result of knowing certain eras better because they're more recent and we have pictures and videos from those time periods.)

Maybe this caused people to become more nostalgic for these lost eras? Eras they had personally lived through, and watched as the world changed?

No... this doesn't sit right with me either...

Even if technological advancement caused humans to become more nostalgic for past eras, that's not the only thing nostalgia should exist for, right?

What about nostalgia for kingdoms who were overthrown? For cities lost to natural disasters? To simpler times with loved ones lost?

Not all nostalgia should be tied to technology and advancement. Some should be more personal.

Back To The Future isn't about huge technological difference between the time periods. Not really. It's more a story about a kid learning about his parents and who they used to be, and making them into new people. The differences between eras are really just dressing on this personal story about Marty's relationship with his family.

And then you have Groundhog Day stories which are just... one day on repeat. These don't explore the speculative or historical side of time travel AT ALL.

Not to mention prophecy was a thing. People could always conceptualize getting information from the future. But physical objects and beings traveling to the past is unheard of.

Prophecy is Another Oddity

Almost every culture has stories involving precognition. There's always been interaction FROM the future.

But no time travelers anywhere. No spirits going back to the past. No gods. Not even objects until Memoirs of the Twentieth Century. So information can time travel in mythology, but literally nothing else can.

Despite time travel not existing in any fiction ever prior to the past couple hundred years, it's always been assumed by every culture on Earth that the future was something that people could just see.

In today's world with our understanding of physics, prophecy would only make sense as a form of time travel. Much like how light is just particles bouncing off of things and hitting us in the eyes, information about the future would need to be coming from the future. (Or be calculated somehow by understanding all the variables that could lead to that outcome in a predeterministic way.) But I don't think most ancient people saw it that way. And thus, never made the leap from information traveling back through time to entities and physical things traveling back through time.

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I admire how open you are with your journey back to Islam mashallah tabarkuallah but I mean how do you do it? What motivates you to share your story with others, I know on your anon post you from a while ago you said it’s not something you hide. Why? (I don’t mean this from a place of judgement at all!!!!!!!!! I respect you a lot for it but I just kind of am wondering you know?)

You're all good, don't worry! Wow this is such an Interesting question and I thought about it all day but I wanted to wait until I had a bit of time to sit down and think it through!

I think to understand my motive(?) you would need to understand the islamic environment I was raised in. A part of the reason I had left the religion in the first place was because of how much of an imposter I felt. The environment around me shamed any form of mistep or waver in faith. It felt suffocating to a young me? As someone with such little islamic knowledge at the time, I felt as though I could not keep up with my peers and all of that culminated into me feeling shameful about my imaan and it discouraged me from getting closer to God, especially as a young girl living in the west.

I swear if I had just heard from one person in my community or in that masjid tell me I wasn't doomed for hell or irredeemable as a muslim because I couldn't understand certain concepts in Islam I wouldn't have felt so isolated with my questions and uncertainty.

So when I had started a halaqa in my masjid now specifically meant for middle school girls, I wanted to put an emphasis on the kind of space it was and I found it helped best to communicate to them struggles I went through doing those times but to also do my best to help supplement it with tools and ways to navigate their lives as teenage girls living in America. I do it for them I guess? I don't go into extensive detail because there is a limit to exposing your sins and it doing the opposite of what I hope to do, there is a balance to be struck.

It also carried into my work with the youth and events at the masjid. Bringing that perspective there as well. There is a lack of accessibility I think to masjid events for people who don't have as much extensive islamic knowledge and that barrier can deter them. Like not everyone knows what Ibadah might mean for example, so now in a khatira we should define what those words mean. Things like that.

So thats where I first ever opened up having a not so strong connection to my faith, in my halaqa and so then it was like yeah alright. So I guess I do it because of that. In my orginal ask post I said I share it when I think it would be helpful so yeah. I am not sure if this quite answered your question anon? I should note, I am pretty open with certain things about me, and this is one of them - I don't mind talking about things like this so yeah

#gosh guys should I start putting warnings at the top of my posts for when they are excessively long lol #anon I am so sorry I don't even know if I answered the question correctly uhhm..#but yeah!#muslim blogging #m's mind #Reconnecting with allah

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