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the-girl-in-the-high-castle · 8 months

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I've had these thoughts in my head for days now, but I finally put my ass down and am writing it now. Because I can't and will never let go of my beloved boat show, here it goes. Lots of thoughts and theories all over the place. This is a long one.

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Some people had theories that there are multiple simulations running at the same time. I actually like that one, and there are some of the things that could really justify that theory. Now, some of them might be mistakes in editing, but this is not a normal show we're talking about. These people pay attention to tiny details, they don't make common mistakes.

There are a lot of parallels with the characters, but there are also some things that you just can't explain. For example:

- In episode 6 when Eyk and Maura go down her memory shaft and exit the tunnel, they leave their lanterns at the end. Picture below:

Daniel follows them, goes down the shaft, exists the tunnel, yet their lanterns are missing. It's pretty clear they didn't take them. They left them there. No lanterns when Daniel jumps off.

Of course, just like I've said, this can be a common mistake in editing and filming, but I still think it isn't, I think it's more important than that.

- Then we have the passenger list Eyk finds on the Prometheus. While him and Maura are there, when he sees it for the first time, his name isn't there. Later, he is signed as the captain when he shows it to Maura, even before that, when he looks at it again at the end of the episode.

- When Maura locks Daniel up in the room in the mental hospital, it is clearly shown she turns around and leaves while he calls after her, yet later, after she yells calling after Henry and discovers the limitation of the sim, she is again in the hallway in front of the door, like she never left, looking at it as Daniel calls after her again.

Now, these are just a few things that can be used to support the multiple sims theory, but my rant here isn't about multiple sims running at the same time, it's about the previous sims we don't know anything about. Or do we?

So, to put it simply first, I think that the "memories" the characters have on the Kerberos are actually a representation of the roles they played in the previous sim, or sims. It's pretty much certain they aren't real, but they can be a projection of "past lives" in past sims.

It is confirmed by Henry that Kerberos is unique, aka that no sim had ever played out like this one. He says to Daniel something along the lines of "good job using the Prometheus to get to the Kerberos, still you failed". This means that no other sim before had had a missing ship and straying off course because of a missing ghost ship. And it makes perfect sense. Why? Well, if you pay attention, Kerberos and Prometheus are not exact copies of each other. While Kerberos' funnels are red, the Prometheus' are kind of yellowish. If you look closely at the ships in the graveyard or archive, as far as the eye can see, all the ships are Prometheus judging by the looks of it. There might be a third ship of the company that looks exactly like Prometheus, but it's highly unlikely. Now, driven by this, like I've said, it makes perfect sense that no previous sim had a missing ship as a force to drag the plot, because it wouldn't really make any sense to have a ship called Prometheus receive a distress signal from a missing ship called Prometheus. It would be stupid to have one ship search for another that is exactly the same. Plus, Elliot saying "we never got this far" must mean something too.

Following this: In episode 6, Daniel dispatches Eyk off to the Prometheus. Or is it A Prometheus?

Eyk ends up in the woods, familiar to all of us as the woods from his "memory" on the Kerberos. But, we are never shown anything but the woods in that moment. No house, burnt down or still standing, no family, no wife, no children, just the woods. The next we see of him is when he is getting out of the shaft and to his cabin on the Prometheus, or a Prometheus. So, there is no guarantee that his "memory" was the same on a Prometheus he ends up on at the end of episode 6. (I remember GoT theories back in the day claiming no character is truly dead in Westeros until we see his death on screen, off screen means life)

At the end of episode 3 when Daniel plays with his tetris, he teleports the Kerberos to another place at the simulation sea, Prometheus stays there. Again, we are never shown that *that* Prometheus is ever teleported back to the archive. Thus, a Prometheus Eyk is dispatched to doesn't have to be THE Prometheus, it can be one of the previous Prometheuses gone to the archive, containing different memories and hiding different lives the passengers lived through on it. Now, it does look the same as our Prometheus, but then again, so do all of the other ships in the graveyard.

When Eyk is sitting at his desk on a Prometheus and is drinking his sorrows away just before the Kerberos comes to the archive, we get a focus on the empty frame on his desk. We never see any focus on the desk or the captain's cabin on the Prometheus before that. There have already been many discussions about his family photo and the frame and Maura's emotional reaction to it, but I think it's pretty much taken as true that the photo that belonged to that empty frame was Maura's photo Daniel brought with him to the Kerberos. That photo looks exactly like Prometheus. It looks old and washed out, like it's been left in harsh conditions for years, just like the ship when we see it for the first time. It also looks like it's been specifically made to fit in a frame. And, it looks completely different from all the other photos from Daniel's memory.

The tobacco box in this picture is the same as the one sitting on Eyk's desk on the Kerberos and Maura uses it to trap Alfred.

The conclusion to this would be that their roles were different in the previous sims and that on a Prometheus Eyk ends up on, or more than one, Maura was his wife, or they were something else to each other. Meaning, that was their role in the sim, which can mean it was either a projection of their reality outside of the sim, or just a role they kept playing.

Also, in a different sim, Daniel could be her husband. In one sim, Elliot is her son, while in another, she lost her child. It would explain why she insists on not feeling anything towards someone who is supposed to be her own child.

This led me to believe that Daniel is actually trying to make her remember not her reality, but maybe an earlier sim, one of the earliest, or the first where their roles were those he claims and those from his memory. We know there have been too many sims. So, what if with each sim, their minds go deeper and deeper and more out of touch with reality and the only way to wake up is to go back through the sims that wasn't too deep and could still be escapable. It still doesn't determine whether he is real or not, though.

He says: "you have to wake up, or there will be nothing left to wake up to". This can be accepted as some sort of post-apocalyptic reference, especially because we have the spaceship survival mission in the end, but I think it's more of a reference to physical body that can no longer wake up if it goes too deep into the layers of the simulation.

Now, to Daniel's memory. His memory is placed in the big pyramid we see. Right across from the pyramid is Henry's building, aka the mental hospital. So, Henry is in Daniel's memory on the Kerberos, which is why Maura couldn't find his office in hers. If I follow my theory about the shafts containing "previous sim lives", Henry could be stuck in a previous simulation. Though why he can't get out while everyone else can, that's still a mystery to me.

Anyway, I hope this makes sense to someone because in my head, it sounded pretty good and better than a lot of other theories I've had so far.

I will never let go of the boat show, I have made my peace with it.

#1899 #1899 netflix #1899 theories #1899 thoughts #i am never letting it go #don't touch me #long post #this turned out damn long #sorry about that #but it's my beloved boat show

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thermodynamic-comedian · 1 year

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actually i love it when the characters are all lying. i love it when they all have secrets and none of them trust each other. i love being given clues that solve puzzles i haven't even been presented with yet. i also love it when i get chills watching a scene without even knowing what it means, and when i do know what it means, i get even more chills. i love theorizing and thinking and solving and coming up with possibilities of where a story might be going. i love it and i will do it for free, for fun, for no real reason.

this is a mystery appreciation post!! if you appreciate mysteries and secrets and stories that slowly unravel before you, please interact!!!

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hyolks · 1 year

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ling Lan fan and Mei for the Sci fi western fma au?

(and possibly edling???? please were starving/j)

some brief ideas.......!! gotta do more research and decide whether or not to go full for sci-fi or western....

#winks. i have the sketches of a comic for some edling soooooo ;)#fma #fmab #ling yao #lan fan #mei chang #IT is. so difficult. to like keep components of the og design but also adjust it to whatever the hell the aesthetic is for this au #like i thought about giving ling a closed shirt and i was like wtf... who is that man #throws rocks at 1899 western frontier.#ALSO I REALIZED LAST SECOND THAT THE SCALE LOOKS SOOOOO BAD #mei lookin like a toddler and puntable #9k doodles #this is still technically part of the 9k doodles even tho the illustration style changed lolllll #just looked it up. mei is in fact nearly the height i just drew her at. points and laughs. tiny #wastelands au

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podcastwizard · 1 year

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the best bit of accidental world-building is, of course, in lotr when orcs use the word “menu” and imply that orcs have a concept of restaurants. my new favorite is in court of fey flowers, when emily says “do you think henry ford doesn’t use car puns?” implying that henry ford is still alive (due to the use of present tense) and has invented the car, thus setting the events of the story between 1896 and 1947 in the material plane.

#court of fey and flowers #acofaf #emily axford #you COULD argue that it would have to be from 1899 #because that's when ford introduced cars to the public #but let's benefit of the doubt and assume fairies are omniscient or whatever #anyway just thought that was fun

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sgt-dignam · 1 year

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Eyk Larsen & Daniel Solace in 1899 created by Baran Bo Odar and Jantje Friese

#1899 #1899 netflix #1899edit #andreas pietschmann #aneurin barnard #eyk larsen #daniel solace #i did gif the bit where he throws him #but i had to remove it #i was just too funny #anyway i want to know every little thought that goes through each of their heads #about each other #the way daniel only sent eyk away with the device #when he had the means to kill him #it has to mean something

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demadogs · 1 year

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ok the rate at which shows are being canceled after one season is becoming more and more ridiculous and excruciating to the point where they dont even give people TIME to watch the shows anymore!! i will be recommended a good show by a friend and think “ooo im excited to watch when im not super busy” and then just a month later before i even had the chance to watch it, its already canceled.

and these days whats considered a “successful show” has to surpass hundreds and hundreds of millions, sometimes over a BILLION hours streamed to be worthy of renewing but when shows get somewhere between 50 million and 100 million theyre treated like they were a complete flop even though that is STILL MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE INVESTED IN THE SHOW AND WOULD WATCH FUTURE SEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was going to watch that show. i was so beyond excited to watch that show. it had one of my favorite actors in it and it was produced by the same creators of my favorite show of all time. but because i have responsibilities from work and school like a normal fucking adult, i couldnt make the time to watch it and now only a week after i was recommended the show, it was already canceled.

i am used to mourning stories that ive become attached to that will never be complete, but this is altogether different. you didn’t even give me a chance to meet these characters or watch this story. a story that an entire cast and crew of probably thousands of people put all their hearts and soul and TIME into and yet you gave it just a fucking month before you decided it was unworthy of pursuing. even though tens of millions of people who were lucky enough to have been available to watch it at the time thought otherwise.

#im so mad im so mad im so mad #dark is my favorite show ever of all time ever ever ever and 1899 is made by the same creators #when i tell you i lost my shit i was so fucking excited but IM FILMING MY THESIS RIGHT NOW IM DOING WORK I DONT HAVE TIME #I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AT LEAST THREE MOTNHS BEFORE THEY RENEWED IT OR NOT #i love wednesday but i feel like that show is a big reason why this one was canceled #it came out the same week and wednesday got over a billion streams so 1899 having only 87 million looks bad but THATS STILL 87 MILLION???#im so fucking pissed rn #if dark got canceled before s3 i would have fucking ended it all thank god at least i have that #but now ill probably never watch 1899 bc i dont want to love it and never know the ending #im so mad #1899 #netflix #byler #youll agree w me

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partiallypearl · 4 months

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Nobody's son, nobody's daughter

#olek 1899 #ling yi 1899 #1899 netflix #1899edit #gifs #gif #*mine #olek x ling yi #having thoughts!!!!!#there's something abt water being a symbol of rebirth and how olek dies in it but also finds ling yi in it #BUT THAT'S JUST ME

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tiredcowboyy · 4 months

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Therapy isnt enough I need some kind of fic or comic or smth where dutch realises how mean he was to arthur - like not just realising how much he fucked everyone over - specifically how he hurt his boy so much and even left him to die alone. The arthur that would do anything for him. I need his heart to physically shatter when he thinks of all the mean things he said like “oh but, arthur needs to rest” etc or “I never had a son” LIKE I NEED HIS WORLD TO FEEL LIKE ITS ENDING UGH

#2024 is gonna be a long year #I need to hear Dutches heart shatter at the thought of how much he hurt his precious boy #arthur morgan deserves the world #hosea Matthews has been rolling in his grave since 1899 #rdr2 #arthur and hosea #arthur morgan #red dead redemption 2 #arthur morgan rdr2 #dutch van der linde #arthur and dutch #red dead angst is my favourite #I dont hate dutch but I do need to kill him #someone give arthur a hug

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rumpled · 1 year

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Eyk Larsen & Maura Franklin in 1899

#1899 #1899 netflix #eyk x maura #maura x eyk #maura franklin #eyk larsen #why did I make this gifset? *looks at smudged writing on my hand* uhhhh they're sexy people?#also #I have thoughts #in that last gif? they're standing like people who just kissed #and considering stranger jonas and martha had a kiss scene that was cut and no one has ever seen it…#makes me wonder if they maybe shot an alternative scene with a kiss there #just food for thought #(sorry)#mine #1899edit #blogtag: mauraxeyk

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theseventhveil1945 · 1 year

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Your father is a fool. His attempt to hack the code will destroy the entire simulation. 1.08 | "The Key"

#1899 #1899edit #1899 spoilers #1899 netflix #tvedit #tvfilmedit #i'm really struggling w/ coloring this show but im being so brave about it lol #anyway maura and eyk and are cute and i'm all for it but maura and daniel are giving me codependency vibes and in the end that is #where my heart lies #s2 when??#daniel x maura #before i wasn't serious about my daniel being ciaran theory but i've thought abt it all day and i've convinced myself so now i'm #dead serious and i want this deliciously fucked up family dynamic

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lowkeyslytherin · 9 months

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#you can't tell me this isn't them #“lets take over the world together!!” 😈#“ok sounds reasonable” :D #Abeforth: bitch wtf y'all r completely off your rockers #Abeforth: jail. directly to jail.#“u don't get it! great minds think alike. we're just at a higher level of thought than everyone else”#“a higher level of *delusional* is what u are”#grindeldore #gellert grindelwald #albus dumbledore #fantastic beats and where to find them #summer of 1899 #harry potter #Abeforth Dumbledore #ariana dumbledore

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sylviamarsh · 1 year

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#1899 #1899edit #eyk larsen #sebastian 1899 #eyk x sebastian #periodedit #netflixedit #edit #tv #my kneejerk reading was 'ah I see eyk has secret Feelings for his first mate but he's too grief-addled to figure it out'#(and tbh that first impression did influence the rest of my viewing)#and then I thought 'oh no it's a confrontation. he's pulling rank. etc'#but it's not exactly that either #it's a question of trust #(not that I'm disavowing my first reading either. bisexual eyk larsen is a lifestyle)

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neosatsuma · 1 year

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#1899 #1899 Netflix #eyk larsen #maura franklin #this was my instant thought while watching LMAO #my nonsense #my gifs #1899 spoilers #the editing this took to be able to see eyk and maura at all sfgjgfh

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pessimisticpossum · 5 months

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Netflix was upset enough with 1899 not immediately doing well that they cancelled the whole show, but I think it's 99% their fault.

If the whole thing was so expensive, why, for the love of gods, didn't they spend a little more on a proper trailer?

I put the show on my watch list as soon as it came out but didn't watch it until a few weeks ago because everytime I considered watching it I saw the "trailer" and decided against it because the trailer made it look SO BORING.

Why did they pick that scene???

It's a good scene within the show, but it's a horrible pick for the trailer because it didn't tell you enough about the show to actually pull you in.

There is no sign of a "deeper" plot or actually making it look like a mystery show. I get that you can't spoil the whole show but you have to give the audience something to catch onto because like this it's no wonder it didn't catch anyone's attention when scrolling through netflix deciding what to watch.

It just didn't stick out as special when you make it look like a Titanic ripoff.

#i love this show to death #but I thought it looked so boring at first #it's a crime that they killed this show with the fucking “trailer”#1899 #1899 netflix

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awwsd · 1 year

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