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YR Season 3 speculations: a layperson’s take on the criminal justice side
I’ve been considering making this kind of post for a while, because I’ve seen a lot of hopeful takes on how things are going to play out now that Sara has called the police, and I feel like I could add some perspective for those less familiar with the Swedish justice system. I hesitate to do it because I’m just a layperson and not even from Sweden but the next country over - but our justice systems are reasonably similar, I’ve spent a lot of time poring over relevant sources on Swedish law and justice, and @scatteredpiecesofme encouraged me to do this after our conversation yesterday.
So, here goes, haha.
As usual, I could very well be wrong about some things, and I welcome any additions or corrections!
Part 1: The system
Let’s start with a cultural observation: the criminal justice system in Sweden strives to be rehabilitative (restorative) instead of strictly punitive (retributive). This is especially true for young and first-time offenders, who are yet to develop a ‘criminal lifestyle.’ Fines, suspended sentences, and sentences on the lower end of the scale are the norm unless the crime is very serious. (See for example this text in Swedish about how the brain only fully matures at 25 and how young people experience punishments more severely.)
Swedish law recognises three different age brackets for offenders: 15 to 18, 18 to 21, and over 21 (adult). The punishments for young adults were harshened in Jan 2022 for some severe crimes (mostly to counter gang violence), but YR is set in the autumn of 2020 and spring of 2021. With that in mind, let’s review the situation that should apply in the show.
Firstly, the now-outdated law and practice include something known as ungdomsrabatt (juvenile discount). Any sentence given to an 18-year-old is normally reduced to 50% of an adult’s sentence, and a sentence given to a 16-year-old is reduced further so they get about 20-25% of an adult’s sentence. This can either mean a reduced version of the same sentence, or an alternative, more lenient sentence. Punishment can also be waived entirely for juveniles sentenced to minimal fines for minor offences (e.g. minor narcotics offences).
Secondly, there are some punishments specifically designed for young offenders. Ungdomstjänst (youth community service) and ungdomsvård (youth/juvenile care) mostly apply to those under 18 but can also apply to those under 21 where appropriate. The latter is for those in need of social service intervention; it’s an open arrangement where the juvenile continues living at home. Sluten ungdomsvård (institutional youth care) only comes into play in very serious cases. It’s the primary punishment for minors who would otherwise face imprisonment and, under the old law, also for those under 21, unless there are very heavy grounds for prison time.
There is also something called ungdomsövervakning (youth supervision); basically youth care with more restrictions. However, it was only introduced in Jan 2021, which means it cannot be applied to crimes committed earlier (for example in YR S1).
As mentioned, juveniles can also be sentenced to reduced versions of the same punishments as adults. For young adults, that most likely means a suspended sentence and/or community service and/or fines. These fines are often dagsböter (day-fines), which can range from 50 to 1000 kronor based on the defendant’s income, wealth, and debts for example. The minimum number is 30 fines, the maximum is 150, or 200 for several crimes. There can also be some other financial consequences, e.g. a 1000-krona payment to the Crime Victim Fund or compensation for the victim (these are much lower sums than in the US, for example).
Here’s a made-up example from Domarbloggen: three people aged 16, 18 and 22 beat someone up together. The 22-yo gets 4 months’ imprisonment, which means the 18-yo should get 2 months. Instead, she gets a suspended sentence and 75 hours of community service. The 16-yo should get 1 month, but that is commuted to 50 hours of youth community service. Social services are (and must be) involved for the 16 and 18-yo but find that they are not in need of any services.
Thirdly, juveniles are processed differently from adults. If someone younger than 21 is suspected of a crime, the police investigation that starts when the crime comes to light must be conducted without delay. For those under 18, there’s a time limit of 6 weeks from the initial police report to the decision to prosecute. In many cases, the prosecutor can simply decide not to bring charges and hand the matter over to social services instead. (See for example this Q&A document on the old law, in English.)
Young offenders are also often eligible for förundersökningsbegränsning (limitation of preliminary investigation) and åtalsunderlåtelse (no-prosecution deal). In the former, the police and prosecutor decide not to investigate the crime, and in the latter, the suspect confesses their guilt to avoid being charged or tried for that particular crime. There are specific circumstances in which these can come into play - for example, when there are several crimes being investigated/charged and the crime in question would not affect the sentencing, or the sentence would be minor anyway. Here’s more info on the reasoning in Swedish, but it’s basically done to save resources for other crimes. The sentence for all the crimes committed is determined as a whole; it does not necessarily match the sum total of all the individual sentences. Accepting a deal means the crime will still go on the person’s criminal record.
If sufficient evidence is found and the matter does go to trial, the court can decide to hold it behind closed doors if the parties are young and/or to protect them from negative publicity. The judge must also be specialised in juvenile cases if the defendant is under 18.
Trials in this corner of the world are usually rather boring compared to what you see on TV. There’s no jury or heated cross-examination. The facts are presented, the injured party, defendant, and witnesses are heard, and the court considers the case. (Here’s a detailed description and even a 24-minute film in Swedish.)
The bar for detaining young offenders before and after the trial is higher than for adults, but it can happen if they are considered dangerous or there’s a risk of them destroying evidence/influencing the witnesses (for minors, the social services usually watches over them instead). There is no bail system.
Oh, and if someone is sentenced to prison after all, they are not necessarily taken away directly after the trial. Serving the sentence may be postponed until the period of appeal runs out (often 3 months after the sentence enters into force, according to the Prison and Probation Service).
So, now that we know the framework, let’s take a look at the crimes that could come into light in YR S3! Not just those committed by August, but also those committed by Simon and Wilhelm.
Part 2: The crimes committed by the mains in YR
All excerpts quoted are from an English translation of the Swedish Criminal Code. I will include some of my own interpretations in the context of the show - but while reading those, please keep in mind that I’m just a layperson and could well be completely mistaken!
Kränkande fotografering (intrusive photography): August
A person who unlawfully, by means of a technical device, covertly records an image of a person who is indoors in a home, or in a toilet, dressing room or other similar space, is guilty of intrusive photography
(Swedish Criminal Code, Chapter 4, Section 6a)
Scale of punishment for adults: fines or prison up to 2 years.
I don’t think this should be very hard to prove now that Wille has admitted to being on the video. August could of course claim it was someone else using his phone, but I think it should definitely be someone other than Alexander, who had already been caught with the drugs.
Olaga integritetsintrång (unlawful breach of privacy): August
A person who intrudes into the private life of another person by disseminating:
1. an image of or other information about a person’s sexual life;
(...)
4. an image of a person in a very vulnerable situation; or
5. an image of a person’s wholly or partially naked body
is, if the dissemination is liable to result in serious damage to the person whom the image or information concerns, guilty of unlawful breach of privacy
(Swedish Criminal Code, Chapter 4, Section 6c)
Scale of punishment for adults: fines or prison up to 2 years for normal severity, prison from 6 months to 4 years for gross offences.
This is the revenge porn clause. In reality, sadly few cases lead to a conviction; for example in 2021, only 27 out of 1876 cases. The perpetrator can always claim their device/account was hacked, for example, and it’s hard to disprove that. We’ll see if Sara’s testimony and August having admitted his guilt to Wilhelm are enough.
Förtal (defamation): August
A person who identifies someone as being a criminal or as having a reprehensible way of life, or otherwise provides information liable to expose that person to the contempt of others is guilty of defamation
(Swedish Criminal Code, Chapter 5, Section 1)
Scale of punishment for adults: fines for normal severity, fines or prison up to 2 years for gross offences.
Note that defamation does not have to be untrue in Sweden! It’s the ‘exposing that person to contempt’ that matters. However, if the defendant can show that the information was true and they were a) obliged to make this kind of statement or b) it was “otherwise justifiable to provide information about the matter”, they are not held responsible. August’s lawyer would probably argue that spreading the video of Wille was a matter of national importance.
A note on aggravating or special circumstances:
Both unlawful invasion of privacy and defamation can be considered gross if the information or image or the method of dissemination was liable to result in serious damage. This bumps up the potential consequences.
Normally, charges can only be brought for the above crimes by the injured party. However, the prosecutor could also choose to bring charges on their own in cases where public interest calls for it. The same goes for defamation if the injured party is under 18 or reports the crime in connection with another investigation, and public interest calls for prosecution. In this case, it doesn’t matter if the injured party wants the case to be pursued or not. So in my view, any potential resolution where Simon and/or Wille decide not to pursue these crimes should be written very carefully to exclude public prosecution.
There’s also another interesting angle that I haven’t seen thrown around much. It was first brought to my attention by a friend on ao3, and I can’t believe it’s still a thing in 21st century Sweden, but it is.
Högmålsbrott (treasonable offences): August
A person who commits an offence referred to in Chapters 3–5 that involves abuse of the King or another member of the Royal House, or of a person discharging the duties of the Head of State as regent, may be sentenced to imprisonment for at most four years if the offence can otherwise result in imprisonment for at most six months, and for at most six years if the offence can otherwise result in imprisonment for more than six months but at most four years.
(Swedish Criminal Code, Chapter 18, Section 2)
Yes, really. Wille being one of the injured parties could complicate things for August when it comes to the above crimes, because they belong to chapters 4 & 5. He’s not actually going to get six years in prison for gross defamation, that’s just the maximum for adults, but it’s an interesting angle and a potential aggravating factor.
Next up, the elephant in the room.
CP: August
I don’t think I need to describe what this means; you can look it up in Chapter 16, Sections 10a and 10b. I’m not going to write it out so this post doesn’t get flagged.
Scale of punishment for adults: fines or prison up to 6 months for minor offences. Prison up to 2 years for normal severity.
Rickard did say that this could land August in prison, but I am highly sceptical. For comparison, consider this case, where an 18-yo who had 540 images in his possession, 98 of those particularly graphic, was only sentenced to 60 hours of youth community service, despite having disseminated some material on social media on two occasions. Or this one, where an 18-yo who was in possession of a video sent to him via SnapChat for a few months, was sentenced to 45 hours of the same - although he was 17 at the time of the crime.
August was 18, but on the other hand, the video he made and disseminated was short, not very graphic, and meant to defame the people in it rather than arouse those who view it. By law, the age and developmental gap between the victim(s) and perpetrator must also be taken into consideration, and as we know, it’s only two years. I’m inclined to think August is only looking at a minor offence - if charges are even brought at all.
So, the fandom should probably prepare for a more lenient sentence than many are hoping for! Ironically enough, the opposite is true for the next crime, which also applies to Simon and, to a lesser degree, Wille.
Narkotikabrott (narcotics offence): August, Simon, Wilhelm
Any person who unlawfully
1. transfers narcotics,
2. manufactures narcotics intended for misuse,
3. acquires narcotics for the purpose of transfer,
4. procures, processes, packages, transports, keeps or in some other similar way handles narcotics which are not intended for personal use,
5. offers narcotics for sale, keeps or conveys payment for narcotics, mediates contacts between seller and purchaser or takes any other such measure, if the procedure is designed to promote narcotics traffic, or
6. possesses, uses or otherwise handles narcotics
shall, if he has acted wilfully, be sentenced for a narcotic drug offence
(Penal Law on Narcotics, Section 1)
Scale of punishment for adults: prison up to 3 years for normal severity. Fines or prison up to 6 months for minor offences.
Swedish law is strict on narcotics crimes. Both Simon and August are guilty of several of the above, while Wille is only guilty of use. Wille’s offence would be considered minor, and the punishment might even be waived. However, I think it’s quite likely Simon and August might be looking at normal severity, and Rickard would probably advise August against bringing it up just to spite Simon.
If August went against that advice or the matter came out another way, he would probably get a harsher sentence than Simon on account of his age - although he could provide mitigating circumstances for the selling by saying that Simon coerced him...
In any case, Simon wouldn’t get off with a slap on the wrist either. He sold drugs on two separate occasions - ADHD drugs (which are amphetamine derivatives) and possibly also strong painkillers. Micke’s back pain was specifically mentioned in S1, we saw Simon steal Tramadol (which is an opioid) when he first got pills for August, and there was clearly more in that bag than just the ADHD meds. Amphetamine derivatives and opioids are specifically classified as narcotic drugs due to their potential for misuse, even if the drugs in question (Tramadol and lisdexamfetamine) aren’t as bad as some others.
Furthermore, Simon also committed:
Stöld (theft): Simon
Pretty self-explanatory. Chapter 8, Section 1 of the Criminal Code.
Scale of punishment for adults: fines or prison up to 6 months for minor offences, prison up to 2 years for normal severity, prison from 6 months to 6 years for gross offences.
It’s hard to say what the severity would be. On the one hand, it was just a few boxes and bottles of pills, and the value of the stolen goods should generally be over 1000 kronor to even be considered normal severity (case from 2009). On the other hand, committing theft as part of “criminal activities conducted systematically” is an aggravating circumstance. But I think the prosecutor would be lenient with a 16-yo like Simon and just focus on the narcotics crime (åtalsunderlåtelse for the theft).
Let’s proceed to the last crime, which is something I haven’t really seen a lot of people mention.
Olaga hot (unlawful threat): Wilhelm
A person who threatens another person with a criminal act in a manner that is liable to occasion serious fear in the person threatened for the safety of their own or someone else’s person, property, liberty or peace is guilty of making an unlawful threat
(Swedish Criminal Code, Chapter 4, Section 5)
Scale of punishment for adults: prison from 9 months to 4 years for gross offences. Fines or prison up to 1 year for normal severity.
It’s highly unlikely that Wille’s shotgun waving would come out unless someone accidentally let it slip when questioned about the other offences. So the risk is slim, but I think it still deserves to be included, because an unlawful threat usually becomes a gross offence when a weapon is used. It’s also a publically prosecutable offence, which means August wouldn’t have the power to drop the charges. Note that the ‘treasonable offences’ clause doesn’t apply, because August has not officially been appointed as next in line by Parliament.
Like I said, I don’t think there’s any reason for August to sour his relationship with the Crown by dropping Wilhelm in it. I just wanted to include the threat to be thorough and show how much of a mess this could theoretically become.
Phew, that’s all of them! Thank you so much for reading all this way!
I guess the main point I wanted to make with this marathon post was that I really, really hope the criminal justice side is handled realistically in S3 now that a police investigation probably can’t be avoided. We shouldn’t expect anyone to be locked up with the key thrown away, due to the young age of everyone involved and the leniency built into the system. Also, the severest consequences could well come from the crimes that don’t sound as serious on the surface, such as the drug stuff - and Wille being one of the injured parties. (Or the potentially gross unlawful threat, but I doubt that’s going to come out.)
I’m intrigued to see what Lisa and co have in store for us, because they have a very real chance to highlight some interesting questions here.
Which (if any) of the potential crimes will August, who can liquidate enough money to pay for a great legal team, actually get punished for? Will he get off with fines and maybe some youth community service? Will the Alexander defence actually work when it really shouldn’t? Will social services get involved and maybe make August get some help for his issues? How will his social standing be affected when people learn it was him behind the video? Will the consequences finally teach him some accountability (which he definitely hasn’t learned growing up; see my analysis post about his upbringing and background)?
How about Simon? Can he avoid getting harshly punished for his dealing? How will social services treat him and his family if they get involved? Will his future and education be affected? Will he feel victimised again when the video matter is investigated (which could involve more publicity due to Wille’s involvement)? Could Micke try to claim he forced Simon to carry the drugs and sell them, to provide mitigating circumstances (and would Simon let his estranged dad risk imprisonment for him)?
And finally, is it fair that Wille being one of the injured parties could make the crimes more severe and extract “more justice”? Even though Simon was the one who couldn’t just deny being on the video to escape the negative consequences?
We shall see.
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JUST LOOK AT HIM
SIMON'S SWEETNESS IS EVERYTHING WE NEED. LOOK AT FUCKING HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HIS FUCKING VOICE AND THE LITTLE ''NEJ'' IS EVERYTHING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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So the trailers say different things according to what language you watch it in, which is something we’ve seen before in the other seasons. And there’s something really interesting about a part of the French translated trailer:
In the Swedish version with English dub, Wille tells Simon (I assume?) "Everything you do now represents me and the royal house"
But in the French version, Wille tells Simon "What you post [online] represents me and the royal family too." Which could mean that Simon posted something about them maybe, without asking Wille, but I don’t see that happening. But you know what can have a lot of impact on the royal house’s image?? The Crown Prince’s boyfriend going to a Workers’ Rights event (Bjärstad Workers Association). Assuming that this is a for workers rights, and perhaps a protest.
This could potentially tie in Simon’s own values being very out of sorts wit Wille’s position as a Prince, and would bring back the social media aspect that was super important in s1.
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Season 1 Episode 5 Wille leaves and Simon stays behind in bed
Season 2 Episode 6 Simon leaves and Wille stays behind in bed
Season 3 Episode (?) they'll get to stay together in bed and neither will have to leave the bed
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So hear me out...
With regards to this s3 promo still:
I think this might be the filming of some material for 'The Year With the Royal Family'.
Since Wilhelm's speech has changed the narrative, the Royal Court has no choice now. They have to show the Queen and the family in general as being welcoming to Simon. How better to do this than an official scene of Simon being formally introduced to Kristina and Ludvig?
That would explain the suits, the welcoming smile on Kristina's face and the positive expression on Ludvig's, the presence of the maids and other staff, and even the blocking tape on the floor (although I know there's a version with tape and a version without).
They might even frame it as if this was shot before the Jubilee, to try and take back control of the narrative and make it seem as if the Royal Court and family were always in favour of Wilhelm coming out in his own way. Of course the candid footage taken by the students and the news cameras still exists, but let's face it, they're going to try to spin it no matter what.
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The thing about Hillerska shutting down though, is that it will only really hurt Simon and Sara. Everyone else attending can and will be transferred to equally privileged schools. Sure it would be disruptive to the third years about to graduate, but chances are (realistically) a shut down wouldn’t happen until after the school year was finished.
Simon and Sara don’t have those resources, Hillerska shutting down means that they go back to their local high school, where Sara was so severely bullied she fell behind a year in school.
I understand the symbolism behind it in the show, Hillerska is privilege epitomised, and if they are going the tear it all down shutting down the school is a clear symbol of that in the narrative.
But Hillerska isn’t the class system, it’s just an outgrowth of it. Shutting down the school would just be another act that disproportionally impacts it’s poorest students.
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My thoughts on E6 and what is endgame
Lisa has always been writing an anti-fairy tale. Falling in love with a handsome prince isn't a happily-ever-after.
So, does that mean no happily-ever-after for Wilmon?
Happily-ever-after implies that the couple is together at the end of the story and forever after that.
Endgame means different things to different people. For some that means happily-ever-after, and some that means 'happy-for-right-now.'
Right now, tbh, storywise, it could go either way and make logical sense for me. However, I believe that Wilmon will be endgame in the happy-for-right-now category - We have problems, and we might not make it in the long run, but I feel you're worth trying to overcome them.
Because I don't think Lisa put these two beautiful queer boys and their love out into the world to crush them in the end. She knows how queers have been screwed over in what little representation the community received.
I think if YR was posted on Ao3 the tag would be 'angst with a happy ending'.
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What a clever way of directing and showing us where we are probably hopefully headed in season 3. Either they will remove the plaque or it will be completely obscured from view. It’s no longer about his legacy it’s about Simon and their future together.
Wilmon endgame.
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e6 predictions (they get more unhinged the further you go)
lake scene is NOT the final scene or a breakup scene
the wilmon car scene is the last scene
elias song!!
wille won’t abdicate (just because you can’t abdicate before you’re even on the throne)
BUT he does tell his mother that he’s leaning towards not wanting to be king
felice and sara will start to be friends again (during the neon party?)
hillerska closes down
fredrika and stella are temporarily pissed at felice for the closure
wilmon will get a “let’s stay together, we love each other and we can try to make it work” endgame
saraugust won’t be endgame
we get to actually see one of august and wille’s mediation therapy sessions and what they talk about
vincent and august are on not-so-great terms at the end of the show
the first year’s letters to their future selves come back into play
as per usual ludvig does nothing significant or useful to help wille or the plot
wille looks into a mirror and gives himself a tiny smile
music room redemption scene
simon writes/sings a song for wille for his real birthday present
wille learns the truth about where his orange sweater really went
by some miracle there is enough time in the episode for simon to go see boris himself
someone actually remembers that rousseau exists (even better, we actually SEE rousseau)
someone accidentally starts a fire during the neon party
august and vincent try to throw punches at each other during the table scene
marcus shows up at graduation for whatever reason and malin kicks him out
simon jumps vincent while everyone else politely applauds
felice gets to yell at the headmistress for her casual microaggressions
linda delivers a bitch slap to august’s stepdad
someone says “i’m proud of you” to wille
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Just pitching in since I see so much discourse about will they or won’t they that I think we kind of lost the essence of the story: I mean yes, Netflix is promoting the whole are they going to be endgame or not, tune in to find out but I think that’s just a generic marketing tactic.I’ve honestly been ignoring it.
Also, Lisa doesn’t strike me as the type of writer that would push only her own personal agenda or politics to a tv show, especially one that has critical acclaim as yr. That’s not what true storytelling is about. Please bear with me (apologies in advance for the long response !) but here’s my v long winded reasoning:
The theme has always been love v. duty & the monarchy is the enemy. Wille is on a Hero’s Journey - he is ultimately the Main Character; the Young Royal. What’s great about The Hero’s Journey is that it’s easy to follow and makes for great storytelling despite its predictability. I think some people here may have touched upon this so I am simply expanding:
As a viewer, we follow Wille and get to know him. He’s a likable character and we easily root for him and feel for him when we learn about the power dynamics in play; specifically how he feels caged as a prince. Then we enter into a Call for Adventure: him falling for Simon and the high stakes he enters when his brother passes and he is now Crown Prince.
This, then, propels the story forward, given the stakes are stacked up and it’s not looking good for Wille, especially after he/we find out August was the offender for sex tape leak.
After that, we enter into The Refuse to Call for Adventure; i.e, the hero (Wille) realizes he must face the challenge. We also step into the Meeting the Mentor, which is Boris, who helps Wille learn how to stand up and ultimately fight for himself (and Simon). While I see others thinking that W might push everyone away, including skipping his appts with Boris, I do not think that’s the case. Boris was set up to be the Mentor that W needs to realize the challenge he’s been facing and we may continue seeing him open up to Boris.
This will then allow W to “Cross the Threshold” and reinforce the central theme and conflict of the story - if W continues to stay with the monarchy and his obligations as Crown Prince, he cannot choose Simon. Love or Duty? Which will prevail?
S3 crosses that threshold and produces tests and obstacles that would make the fight for his relationship w S so much more complicated (basically everything we saw in the trailer). This stage in the Hero’s Journey is meant for the audience to doubt the Hero - Wille. It’s already a testament as we are debating if W is going to denounce his title or not just from the 2 mins of what we saw from the trailer. It’s intentional. We need to doubt in order for the central theme to drive home and also portrays the monarchy to be the overarching enemy of this story, without Lisa forfeiting her own political statement.
We enter the next stage of the Journey - which is the Cave - meaning the Hero and protagonists need to regroup and prepare for a counter attack (generally speaking) because the tension is continuing to rise and there are outside forces that wish to disturb the Journey (in this case, public opinion? paparazzi? Hillerska shutting down?).
Next, we enter the Ordeal - which makes the Hero break down bc he enters a mental barrier and is pushed to a corner. However, the Hero, typically comes out stronger after this stage in storytelling.
Ultimately, we reach the end: The Reward. The Hero makes the “attack” or choice and defeats the enemy/antagonist.
Imo, with how everything is set up, I do think it’s set up for W and S to be together in the end at least the end of the show (everything else after is obviously left for the audience member to interpret).
I have no doubt that W & S are going to come up on top and still be together in the end bc like some people mentioned - what would be the point? It was never a question whether they would end up together. The question is if Wille, our Hero in this story, would make the final choice and choose between love or duty. I think Wille would choose love. What better way of making history, especially with everything that’s been happening in real events, then choosing love? That would make for a strong ending.
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Young Royals Season 3 Endgame: Team Abdication or Monarchy?
Team "Let Wilhelm Be Fully Himself And Parliament Decide What's Next."
I've seen very good arguments on both sides of the abdication debate (although it wouldn't be called abdication if Wille wasn't king yet). On the one hand, Wille would be happier without all the pressure, and he shouldn't have to stay on against his will. I've also read some incredibly insightful posts on how the monarchy is an undemocratic remnant of the past that would be very hard if not impossible to reform from within (and in real life, I am quite staunchly anti-monarchy).
On the other hand and in the context of the show... I don't want Wille to have to step down because of his sexuality or his anxiety. Those should not disqualify anyone from a position they would otherwise be well-suited for (which Wille actually seems to be, provided that he gets to do it his own way and with proper support). I also don't like the idea of his decision being surrounded by scandal, i.e. the video and the Crown's cover-up of August's involvement, or the drug stuff hitting the fan. He should only step down if he truly believes that's what's best. He could do some good in his position, and I doubt that he would get to really fade from the public eye even after renouncing his right to the throne. Plus, if August or someone else took over, the same oppressive institution would just carry on unchanged.
So, I think the best ending would be to let Wille stay in his position on his own terms - and to make it clear that parliament has started debating what that means for the country. I think enough secrets will be revealed in S3 to turn public opinion against August as a successor and for Wille as an openly queer heir to the throne (and later king), and that will trigger a democratic process. Does Sweden really want to uphold the institution either by reforming it or by picking a new successor further removed from the current monarch (both of which contradict the usual argument of the royal family representing stability), or do they want to take the opportunity to become a republic (and would they like Wille to lead the transition until his death or just have him retire)? A constitutional amendment will be required in any case.
I do not need to see the conclusion of that debate, nor do I think it's realistic to resolve it in the timeline of the show. Wille can't officially renounce his title until he turns 18 anyway.
With all that said, I'll be happy with any conclusion as long as it's done well, and I believe it will be.
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FUN FACT THAT KILLED ME COMPLETELY: USE HEADPHONES
If you use headphones you can hear Simon sniffing Wilhelm's neck. I cried okay?
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This is from the exam, but we have August standing behind with the brown sweater (look at the ring on the pinky finger) and (probably) Nils shaving some guy’s head, like one of the casting calls asked for. It’s interesting to note that so far, Nils and August are seen together a lot in the trailer. Does he take August’s side?
This is probably for their graduation. Is that why the school might close down? Things are taken too far during the prep for graduation??
Here is August’s hand from the trailer, with the same ring on his pinky:
#i don’t think this is a spoiler from the test lol everyone knows that’s not in s1 or s2😅#young royals#yr s3 spoilers#august young royals#yr speculations
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What are your thoughts on the solo still with Wille?
Thank you for the ask, anon! You mean this one, yes?
My hot take is that I think this is a protest. The students are doing a sit-in, demanding change or protesting against it. It's so rare to see Hillerska students sitting on the floor and they don't appear to be in any kind of formation so it's not a formal school event.
Now, as for Wille; I think Wille was the instigator of this protest, or was heavily involved in it in some way, possibly to further some purpose of his own. The look on his face is interesting. He doesn't look anxious or distressed; he looks as if he is waiting for something or someone to happen. His arms are crossed defensively, but he looks fairly relaxed. And he's not joining in with the others. He's sitting on the floor like the rest but he's turned away. With them but not really one of them.
I think whatever is going on here might be another example of Wille using his political and diplomatic savvy to get the students to act in a way that achieves something he wants. A little like the way he sowed the assorted seeds of discontent which led to August's ousting from the role of prefect.
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What if August was talking shit about Simon again and Wille was losing it?!
I need Wille to be the boyfriend Simon deserves.
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things that stand out to me about the yr s3 poster
obviously the BROKEN CROWN ABOVE WILLE’S HEAD!!! can signify wille going for abdication and/or the end of conforming to antiquated traditions and standards, which is more or less what the monarchy represents
wille and simon both appear to be staring directly into the camera (hello fourth wall break ilysm), could potentially represent the public scrutiny they’re going to be facing this season
august is ignoring the camera, he’s looking at sara instead!!
sara is staring in felice’s direction, and felice staring in sara’s direction, but their eyes never meet. rather, both of them are staring out into the distance
interestingly enough, felice and wille are the only ones completely in focus. august is very much visible, but not as much as felice and wille are. simon is out of focus, but not so blurred that you can’t see his features or his expression. finally, sara is not only out of focus, but she’s also the most blurred.
+ felice’s face is still angled towards the camera. you can see her well! but sara is turned completely to the side on top of being out of focus
the purple light is hugely hitting the faces of simon, wille, and felice! it’s not as prominent on august, and it just barely skims the top of sara’s head.
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