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Young Royals Season 3 Endgame: Team Abdication or Monarchy?
Team "Let Wilhelm Be Fully Himself And Parliament Decide What's Next."
I've seen very good arguments on both sides of the abdication debate (although it wouldn't be called abdication if Wille wasn't king yet). On the one hand, Wille would be happier without all the pressure, and he shouldn't have to stay on against his will. I've also read some incredibly insightful posts on how the monarchy is an undemocratic remnant of the past that would be very hard if not impossible to reform from within (and in real life, I am quite staunchly anti-monarchy).
On the other hand and in the context of the show... I don't want Wille to have to step down because of his sexuality or his anxiety. Those should not disqualify anyone from a position they would otherwise be well-suited for (which Wille actually seems to be, provided that he gets to do it his own way and with proper support). I also don't like the idea of his decision being surrounded by scandal, i.e. the video and the Crown's cover-up of August's involvement, or the drug stuff hitting the fan. He should only step down if he truly believes that's what's best. He could do some good in his position, and I doubt that he would get to really fade from the public eye even after renouncing his right to the throne. Plus, if August or someone else took over, the same oppressive institution would just carry on unchanged.
So, I think the best ending would be to let Wille stay in his position on his own terms - and to make it clear that parliament has started debating what that means for the country. I think enough secrets will be revealed in S3 to turn public opinion against August as a successor and for Wille as an openly queer heir to the throne (and later king), and that will trigger a democratic process. Does Sweden really want to uphold the institution either by reforming it or by picking a new successor further removed from the current monarch (both of which contradict the usual argument of the royal family representing stability), or do they want to take the opportunity to become a republic (and would they like Wille to lead the transition until his death or just have him retire)? A constitutional amendment will be required in any case.
I do not need to see the conclusion of that debate, nor do I think it's realistic to resolve it in the timeline of the show. Wille can't officially renounce his title until he turns 18 anyway.
With all that said, I'll be happy with any conclusion as long as it's done well, and I believe it will be.
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Excellent, thoughtful review, but chock full of spoilers for all of Season 3 of YR.
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Renouncing the throne would not set Wilhelm free
A question asked of those in the Young Royals fandom: Are you Team Monarchy or Team Abdication?
For those who wish to see Wilhelm fulfil his birthright, the desire comes from him being able to find peace with himself and thus the role, and setting an example by living as the first openly queer monarch in Swedish Royal history. That it denies August the position also helps this argument.
For those who wish to see Wilhelm renounce the thrown, the desire comes from wishing him to be free from the shackles of unasked for expectations, and emancipated from the pressure that crushes down on his wellbeing, his romantic relationship, and his ability to live a "normal" teen and adult life.
But here's the thing: Wilhelm is marked for life. Refusing to become King, and removing himself from all royal duties and the Crown itself, will not lead him to become a "normal" person.
There is a real world, contemporary example of a prince forsaking his duties and being no freer from the media circus that haunts him—Prince Harry of the British Royal Family. The details of his conflict and departure from his royal duties are widely publicised, no less than in his own autobiography. To be sure, the pressures and scrutiny he has faced growing up are horrific—least of all the media treatment of his mother's death—and the racialised aggression towards his wife is beyond disgusting. It makes total sense that he would want to remove himself and his own family from the shit show that is being a royal in the Internet Age.
But rather than give him and his family the peaceful life he seems to crave, the media fire has only intensified. How much of this is driven my him I can't say; but the point is, making an effort to step away form his expectations has not freed him.
And so, to Wilhelm. He can chose to renounce the thrown, and he can choose not to become King, but he will always, always, be Prince Wilhelm. Unless he were to completely cut himself off from society, run away into a forest and never be seen again, he will forever be marked as a Prince.
Wille has also stated that he actually likes the monarchy. Who would he even be outside of it? He can't just get a job in a bakery or be a bus driver. What would he do? How would he live?
What I want is for Wilhelm to be able to find peace with himself and his place in the world, and based on what we've seen in season 3, I don't think it's more likely that will come to him outside of the monarchy than within it. He is a young, troubled man who needs considerable help and support, and I don't think leaving the framework he's accustomed to—with all of the resources it provides—to walk into an even greater media fire will help him.
I want Wille to be happy and I want him to be free. But moving away from his family and birthright is not, for me, the answer.
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hey! love your page! this is really random, but do you know alexia’s opinion on the spanish monarchy - also side note: the spanish populations opinion on them generally? i’m from australia so really curious on the dynamic between the spanish people and the monarchy :)
thank you so much! oh, you have asked a really complicated question that is so rooted in the history of spain and its autonomous communities, like catalunya, the basque country, and others. you have to keep in mind that spain was ruled by a dictator (franco) from 1939 to the late 1970s.
juan carlos i had become king after the death of franco and people liked him (well, anyone is better than franco!) but he ended up being a bad dude! he was a womaniser, involved in tax fraud and other shady dealings and ended up abdicating and being exiled from spain. his son, felipe, became king in 2014 and people generally like him, although queen letizia has her share of controversies. their daughters seem fine enough.
let me put it this way, if you ask the average spanish person in madrid how they feel about the monarchy, you'll probably get an ambivalent response. it's not like the uk or other countries where people actually seem to care about the royal family. but if you ask someone in catalunya or the basque country, which have a long history of separatism and independence movements, then you will get a different answer!
let me give you an example from tonight's copa de la reina final, which was between barça and real sociedad (a catalan vs. basque team).
in this video posted by @relevo, when the spanish national anthem played (el himno), listen to all the whistles and boos. if that doesn't explain the feelings in a nutshell, i don't know what does. also, queen letizia has garnered controversy with copa de la reina, which is named after her, but this was the first year she has attended after many years of skipping it. 🙄
so alexia has always stayed pretty neutral on the topic of the monarchy. but both she and aitana have made public statements related to catalan independence and franco as i have discussed in this post.
alexia has always been very respectful towards the royal family especially the infanta sofia and princess leonor. now, aitana was raised in a marxist family, so you absolutely know there's no love lost there. 😂
hope this helps!
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Young Royals Season 3 Endgame: Team Abdication or Monarchy?
Team Monarchy.
I know this might seem surprising given how often I show my contempt for the upper classes here on Tumblr, and how fucked up I think they are. I also fully understand and agree that having an inherited government office is fundamentally incompatible with a modern, liberal, progressive, democracy. I know all the arguments.
But...
Sweden has been a kingdom for over a thousand years. On June 6th this year, Sweden celebrates five hundred years of unbroken sovereignty when we finally left the Kalmar Union and elected Gustav Vasa as king in 1523. The current royal family, even though they're patrilinear descendants of an imported French rando, can trace back their heritage to Gustav Vasa, and all the way back to the first kings.
They are a piece of living history, connecting Sweden today to Sweden through the ages, and there's value in that. If you want the head of state of your country to have some kind of symbolic value, there's no better choice. If Sweden were to change to a republic, no-one would care about the office of the President, it would go to some boring politician who got the job as thanks for a long and faithful service. Or, worst case, it would go to some populist nutjob.
So since we have them, since they're already there, let's keep them. They're better than the alternatives, and they are a unique quirky thing that sets Sweden apart from most other nations. They're entertaining, and they can be a force for good, or at least some kind of national unity.
But if they want to stay being royals, they need to move with the times, and given the YR universe, an openly queer monarch would be an absolutely fantastic way of showing that even they are capable of change. The question of succession can be figured out, it's all make-believe blood magic anyway. Way crazier shit has happened throughout history.
So long live King Wilhelm, and his husband, Prince Simon.
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Harry steamrolling ahead with trying to sell us all on his great return as a working royal (just in time to save the monarchy! 🙄) and now this article from InTouch that claims W&C will be crowned much sooner than expected (I wonder whose PR team is responsible for that one? Legitimately - because I can only imagine W&C would rather delay that option for as long as humanly possible and I can’t imagine being he Harkles or Chuckles wanting that thought out there)… It really does make me wonder if Charles is worse off than any of us know. Though if things are that dire, I’d think a Regency might make more sense than an abdication? Or am I way off base?
Not InTouch weekly. How are they still in business, they are the tabloidiest of all tabloids.
I don't see Charles abdicating the way things stand. Something would have to go seriously awry for that to happen. William's certainly not hoping for that to happen.
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This is a slightly weird one but here's the thing: there are so many great fic writers in this fandom and I want them all to feel supported and encouraged, so I can't admit publicly that I have zero interest in reading any fics where Wilhelm isn't a prince but is just some ordinary guy (or rich/famous for other non-royal reasons).
I'm on Team Abdication and no fan of the monarchy, so it's not because I'm into the Royal Power Couple fantasy or anything - I love most the fics where Wilhelm and/or Simon struggle with the royal thing, or abdication fics. I just can't read the AUs where Wilhelm isn't royal, because then they don't feel like the same characters to me.
But I feel bad because if I'm given a fic rec for a non-royal AU, I'll say 'ooh, thank you, look forward to reading that!' knowing full well I never will.
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This is THE question !!
I'd go straight to the answer and then ramble on the why: team abdication.
(at the end of S1 i wouldn’t have answered with this much confidence, but now it's definitely the easiest choice to make.)
The answer is in how wilhelm always felt trapped in a world that doesn’t fit him at all and was so ready to sacrifice it in order to escape it - to be finally free. he’s the crown prince but hates being addressed that way, he has social appearances and expectations to worry about first but gets anxious or physically ill whenever he does, his current life revolves around royal duties to attend and yet he’s at his happiest in doing the little things, like making a sandwich for the boy he loves or waking up next to him. all he wants is being a normal teenager living a normal life and he proved it over and over again - “i don’t want to be king” he said it himself - standing up for what is his right and his truth eventually.
And it's not just about simon! - we got to know wille’s rebellious side towards the crown way before they get to know each other: it’s simply not what he wants, nor what he needs, nor the future he’s hoping for.
Idk but i feel like rooting for the ‘team monarchy’ at this point, especially after witnessing what he’s been through and his character's growth in S2, is basically wishing wille to not be the happiest version of himself.
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14 January 2024
SYDNEY (AP) — For the first time, Australians find themselves on the brink of witnessing one of their own, Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, rise to the rank of queen when her husband, Crown Prince Frederik, is proclaimed king of that European nation Sunday.
He will become King Frederik X of Denmark two weeks after his 83-year-old mother, Queen Margrethe II, announced she would be the first Danish royal to abdicate in some 900 years.
The 51-year-old Crown Princess Mary’s unlikely journey from Tasmania to European royalty as the world’s first Australian-born queen has captivated Danes and Australians alike for over two decades.
The then Mary Donaldson was 28 years old and working as a real estate agent when her chance meeting with the Danish prince occurred at a Sydney pub during the 2000 Olympics. He was at the Games to support Denmark’s sailing team.
The announcement of their engagement in 2003 marked the beginning of what is considered in Australia a fairytale romance, and her succession to the title of queen consort has many Australians brimming with excitement and anticipation.
Though this is a country that purports to be classless and egalitarian, Australians are reflecting national pride as a fellow Australian transcends geographical, social and cultural boundaries to assume a position of global prominence, even if it has been attained through marrying well.
Princess Mary’s ascension potentially also promotes discussion about Australia’s evolving identity at a time when many Australians, including Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, would prefer that the country cut ties with the British monarchy and become a republic with its own head of state.
More tangibly, Princess Mary has played a significant role in connecting Australia with Denmark.
For over 20 years, Australians have watched her seamlessly integrate Danish traditions and language into her life while maintaining a strong connection to her Australian roots and visiting her homeland often.
Her commitment to philanthropy, advocating for health, women’s rights, and children’s well-being has further endeared her to Australians.
In Copenhagen, Thomas Larsen, a royal expert compared Mary with the late British Princess Diana.
“I think she has a big heart when it comes to people who are isolated, who are lonely. She wants to reach out to people who need help,” Larsen told The Associated Press.
And in the early hours of Monday morning Australian time, the modern-day fairytale will reach a new high point when Crown Princess Mary becomes the first Australian to become a queen.
#King Frederik X of Denmark#Queen Mary of Denmark#Danish Royal Family#Denmark#Australia#Queen Margrethe II
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Young Royals s3 spoilers for all 6 episodes
Alright, let's try to make this short because it's already almost midnight and I need to go to bed. (Edit: Of course it's not short, I apologize in advance)
I can't believe it's over. This has truly been a great ride and I am so thankful that we got a completed ending. I know I said I would write a fuller review when finished but now that it's over, I don't think this has to be an essay. Here are just some quick thoughts
The fandom has been pointing out that Wilhelm abdicating and August becoming king is so fitting. Because while it was the one thing he thought he wanted for the longest time, he actually realizes that losing Sara is worse. Now he has this ever ending punishment and will have to be owned by the monarchy forever while losing the love of his life. I didn't love that August became king at first but after seeing that analysis it is truly so fitting and I am fine with it!
Another brief note with August is that he actually cried so many times in this last episode (I counted 3 in the first 30 minutes alone). I am glad he was finally able to open up a little even if he did not get his ideal ending. (which I am ok with because he deserves it!) Also glad he and Wilhelm made semi peace with one another.
While I loved that Stella and Fredrika finally got together, I wish we got to see it a little more! Just because it was a bigger storyline in season 2 and I feel like those kind of stories always get tossed to the side in the end. I'm still happy they're together, I just wish it was a little more developed. I know they were short on time though and I blame Netflix for that. (This finale totally could have been an hour and a half long)
I love how the show opens with Wilhelm starting at Hillerska against his will in order to be a better crown prince and ends with the school closing and him leaving a free man. It's so fitting and I love that.
Love that Felice and Sara actually talked and rekindled their friendship. Their relationship and the friendship between Felice and Wilhelm are the ones I truly valued on this show and I am glad I got to see them end properly.
I do wish that we got a little more closure with Felice and her other friends. Like she kind of just ditched them when they went to New York. I know that they may not have fully understood her in the end but they were still her friends and they could have wrapped that up a little better.
I loved that scene at the end and all the flashbacks! I love how it is clear that Wilhelm gave up the throne for HIMSELF instead of just for Simon. You could tell that he never wanted it, even before he met Simon so that decision did not feel spontaneous and I loved it (and I was team Wilhelm stay king before this episode but of course Young Royals worked their magic in the last episode again 💜)!
I don't know where to put this but I also loved that we got to hear both of Simon's songs for Wilhelm. The one he made for his birthday and the one from last season with the improved school song. That made me so happy and Omar Rudberg's voice is so angelic!
Also side note but the Erikson's were so wishy washy in this episode. Like they both kept saying goodbye to their respective lovers then kissing them later and acting like everything was still semi normal. Like if I was Wilhelm or August during any of those scenes in the middle of the episode I would have been so confused.
I still have so many questions. Will Simon and Sara move? Where is Wilhelm going to go to school after this? Will he be able to officially abdicate this young or will he have to wait until he is 18 (I have no idea how abdicating a throne works)? Will Simon and Sara try to see their dad again? What will happen with Rosh and Ayub as I feel like their story was kind of abruptly over? Will the Queen get better or will having to train August to be king just make her even more stressed and sick? Still so many questions, but I feel like that happens with any series I finish. I have to remember that this series is just a pocket of time for these characters and they will live on past this series. I feel at peace with them and confident that their futures will be ok and to me that is all that matters.
I still have to watch the documentary and cry all over again with that. I am so glad this series exists and I promise I will stop gushing about it soon. Thank you Netflix for not letting me down for once! I hope everyone had a great time with the end of this series and all feel at peace with this story!
As always, I'm happy to have some conversations in the comments!
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I am team monarchy. I wouldn't want Wille to abdicate honestly and I truly believe he could be a great king some day. Now he's too young to make such a big change and decision in his life, he still has a lot to figure out about himself. And also with the power he would have he could do more. I don't know it's just what I think.
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Young Royals Season 3 Endgame: Team Abdication or Monarchy?
Personally, I’m Team Monarchy.
First because Wilhelm is a minor and therefore can’t do shit about his title yet. Second because, when you take away the pressure of hiding who he is, Wilhelm is actually just a really good leader. He has the potential to do great things with his power.
And if it’s between Wilhelm and August? Absolutely it needs to be Wille.
King Wille has a good ring to it. I wouldn’t be mad about abdication, though. I can see that being a good thing for him as well. I think there are pros and cons to both situations.
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By the standards of the hapless Greek monarchy, Constantine II, the last king of the Hellenes, who has died aged 82, led a comfortable life in exile after a brief and turbulent reign. Of the seven Greek monarchs of the 19th and 20th centuries, three were deposed, one assassinated, two abdicated and one died of septicaemia after being bitten by a barbary ape in the royal gardens.
The Glücksburg monarchy was German-Danish in origin, imposed on Greece in the 1830s. During prolonged wrangling after Constantine’s deposition, the Greek government refused to give him a passport until he acknowledged that he was Mr Glücksburg, whereas he insisted he was just plain Constantine. As the last of Greece’s deposed monarchs he escaped lightly. But decades of exile in London, as one thing the Greeks did not want back from Britain, were not how he would have chosen to spend his life.
In Hampstead Garden Suburb, Constantine lived in some state – apparently supported largely by donations from Greek monarchists – and visitors were expected to address him as Your Majesty. He was included in many invitations by the British royal family, to whom, like most of Europe’s monarchies, he was related. Prince Philip was his father’s first cousin, King Charles III his second cousin and Queen Elizabeth II a third cousin, and he was a godfather to Prince William. His wife was a Danish princess, the sister of Denmark’s Queen Margrethe II, and his sister Sofía became queen of Spain. Only in Greece was he unrecognised, and he was not allowed to return to live there until 2013, long after the events that had toppled him from the throne after a military coup in 1967 and resulted in the abolition of the monarchy in Greece in 1973.
In many ways, Constantine was a victim of the vicious political infighting that has characterised Greek politics and its society for much of the period since the second world war. It perhaps needed a stronger, more experienced and more resolute approach to surmount the crises of his three-year reign than the young man in his early 20s could manage. In later life he said in an interview that he might have liked to be an actor or a journalist, but his fate was to spend his life as an ex-king, harried by Greek politicians and in turn harassing them in a prolonged legal fight for compensation for his family’s lost property, eventually through the European court of human rights.
Born in Athens, Constantine was the son of the Greek crown prince, Paul, the younger brother of King George II, and his German-born wife Princess Frederica, and was taken into exile as a baby following the Italian and then Nazi invasions of the country in 1940-41. His early years were spent first in Egypt and then in South Africa, before the family returned to Greece following the referendum that restored George to the throne in 1946. George died the following year, and Paul became king.
Constantine was educated at a private high school in Athens, modelled on the same lines as the German educationist Kurt Hahn’s principles at Gordonstoun, and afterwards attended Athens University to study law. A keen sailor, Constantine was a member of Greece’s winning sailing team at the 1960 Rome Olympics – the country’s first gold medal in nearly 50 years.
He succeeded to the throne aged 23 on his father’s death in March 1964, becoming head of state in a country that had not got over the civil war between communists and the Greek government of 1946-49, and where political tensions and divisions continued to run deep. The CIA, desperate to avoid Greece falling into communist hands, was also active in Athens. Greece was a strategic pawn between the US and the Soviet Union, each anxious to pull the country into its sphere of influence in the eastern Mediterranean. At the same time, it was attempting to modernise with social and economic reforms as an associate member and applicant to join the Common Market.
The month before Constantine came to the throne, a general election had produced a centrist – moderate, leftwing – government under George Papandreou, following 11 years of rightwing government. Within a year, relations between the king and his prime minister were breaking down. Conservative army officers were alarmed by a perceived leftwards drift among the junior ranks, who were supported by Papandreou’s Harvard-educated son Andreas. When George Papandreou announced that he would take over the defence ministry himself, Constantine refused to allow him to do so, and the government resigned. In the hiatus that followed, the king attempted to appoint a government without holding an election and was accused of acting unconstitutionally.
When elections were finally called in April 1967, the likely re-election of Papandreou was forestalled by an army coup led by colonels. Constantine initially appeared to go along with the insurgents. He argued later that he had had no choice as the palace was surrounded by army tanks, but there were also persistent suggestions that he had been urged by the American embassy to do so in order to avoid another radical government. Many Greeks and civilian politicians never forgave the king for acceding to the coup, but within months he attempted a counter-coup of his own, fleeing to loyalist troops in the northern city of Kavala that December in an attempt to create a rival military support and force the junta to resign.
The operation was poorly organised and, although the air force and navy declared their support, the army and its officers rallied to the coup leaders. Support for the king melted away within 24 hours. Fearing bloodshed if it came to a military confrontation, Constantine and his family fled into exile, first in Rome and then a few years later in London.
There was no going back for the king. The junta, led by Colonel Georgios Papadopoulos, brutally consolidated their regime using censorship, mass arrests of opponents, torture and imprisonments, and were not going to reinstate Constantine after his attempted coup. When monarchist navy officers unsuccessfully attempted to overthrow the colonels in June 1973, Papadopoulos declared the country a republic, endorsed subsequently in a plebiscite widely assumed to have been rigged.
Nonetheless, when the regime fell following the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, to be succeeded by a civilian government, a further referendum was held to determine whether the king should be restored. Constantine was not allowed to return in order to campaign on his own behalf, though he was allowed to broadcast an address from London in which he apologised for his previous errors. But his maladroit interference with the civilian governments before the coup was held against him and the outcome of the vote in December 1974 was heavily in favour of a republic: by 69% to 31%.
Thereafter, for decades, Constantine was prevented from visiting Greece except briefly and on rare occasions: for his mother’s funeral in 1981 and for an attempted holiday in 1993, when he found his yacht was constantly harried by torpedo boats and aeroplanes. The following year, the Greek government revoked his citizenship and passport and seized the royal family’s property. “The law basically said that I had to go out and acquire a name. The problem is that my family originates from Denmark and the Danish royal family haven’t got a surname,” he said, adding that Glücksburg was the name of a place not a family: “I might as well call myself Mr Kensington.”
In 2000, the court of human rights found for the king in relation to the property, though it could only order compensation, not the return of his extensive estates nor the royal palace at Tatoi and awarded him only 12m euros (around £10m), rather than the 500m he had asked for: a reduction that the Greek government counted as a triumphant vindication. It nevertheless took another two years to pay the money and, when it did so, the government took it from its extraordinary natural disasters fund rather than general reserves. In retaliation, Constantine used the money to set up a charitable foundation in the name of his wife to assist Greeks suffering from natural disasters. He said: “I feel the Greek government have acted unjustly and vindictively. They treat me sometimes as if I am their enemy – I am not the enemy. I consider it the greatest insult in the world for a Greek to be told he is not a Greek.”
Generally, while expressing a wish to be allowed to live in Greece, which was granted in 2013, Constantine seemed equable about his fate and did not attempt to regain the throne. “All I want is to have my home back and to be able to travel in and out of Greece like every other Greek. I don’t have to be in Greece as head of state. I am quite happy to be there as a private citizen,” he told the Sunday Telegraph in 2000. “Forget the past, we are a republic now. Let’s get on with the future.”
Constantine is survived by his wife, Princess Anne-Marie of Denmark, whom he married in 1964; and their three sons, Pavlos, Philippos and Nikolaos, and two daughters, Alexia and Theodora.
🔔 Constantine II, former King of Greece, born 2 June 1940; died 10 January 2023
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Since i'm asked lately why i'm team "Wille abdication" so hard, here i go with my reasons:
1. Wille doesn't want to be king (that's for me reason enough)
2. Simon doesn't believe in the Monarchy (he believes in Wilhelm) and he would be trully unhappy no matter how much he loves Wille. This is the way i see it.
3. Monarchies are not like in fairytales, rather they are the opposite. Pure facade in the best case scenario (we could talk about Erik) and imo totally useless these days.
4. Succession will always be an issue. With two women there could be a heir but two men will always need a surrogate mother and i don't think that will EVER happen.
I have abosolutely no doubt that Wille would be an awesome King (so would be Simon), that's not the problem, obviously. But I live in a country where we have a monarchy with a history full of scandals and corruption and i have zero tolerance to this institution. As Wille tells August: "the monarchy is damn good at covering up accidents, right?" Literal!! Just bc a Monarchy has hundreds of years of history doesn't mean it has to last forever.
I don't know what Lisa has always had in mind with the end of this story and i will accept whatever comes from her, but this is what i think on this matter.
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I am at a loss as to what is so bad that Charles is willing to upset the his heir, his family, and the nation? And that his drug taking, emotionally and educationally stunted second son would know about, because I wouldn’t trust him with the WiFi password never mind potentially monarchy destroying information. The whole family have known the real PH for decades whereas the Buckingham Palace PR team created Hero Harry that we all bought into. The only thing I can think of as so bad that can’t be explained as some decision a palace flunky made without Charles’ knowledge would be the paying off of people because of Harry’s bad actions. Yes for Harry it would be the last grasp in terms of blackmail, so we have to hope that Charles doesn’t capitulate. He could call his bluff, or just hand it over to government (where the bill to remove Harry is quietly continuing), whatever happens he can’t give in. Even the Queen who also hated confrontation cut Andrew out when push came to shove. I do think that these moves by someone who barely passed his exams without ‘help” is building quite a trap for his father.
Hypothetically speaking if Harry committed a crime (I don't just mean illegal drug use) and Charles covered it up for him, including paying off victims etc. The disclosure of such information would undoubtedly lead to Charles having to abdicate. It's Harry's "If I am going down, I am going to take you with me" strategy.
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Why am I Team Green? Short answer, I support the tradition and customs of that time and respect the precedent that was set by the Great Council of 101. Westoros is not an absolute monarchy. If Viserys wanted to break from tradition he should have done more in codifying a law that allows for 1st born to rule regardless of gender across the kingdom. But he didn't do that. He was only thinking about Rhaenyra.
For me, it's not even about Rhaenrya vs Aegon, and who would be a better ruler. I think both would be/are terrible options mainly due the choices, poor judgment, and decisions they make. Neither were prepared to rule nor took duty seriously. Rhaenyra spent most of her years doing what she wanted on Dragonstone. During the times since being named heir, Rhaenyra did nothing to build or grow her relationships with the lords of the realm. She again used Viserys connections as a proxy instead of laying the groundwork for herself, especially since they were breaking precedent and changing the culture. Aegon was ignored and made to feel unworthy. He had a king for a father, but a father who showed little interest in grooming, raising, and teaching his 1st born son how to lead, politic, or rule. Viserys was a bad father who showed favoritism and exercised neglect. Both Aegon and Rhaenyra probably should have been skipped over with either Aemond or Daeron being the king (let Aegon abdicate and sail away or live his life wherever and Rhaenyra can stay at Dragonstone or go into exile with Daemon).
Being with the Greens does not mean I condone everything they do (because I dont), same if I were Team Black. Neither side are spotless.
I also, don't dislike all the Blacks. I like Jace, Luke, Corlys. Others, I'm indifferent towards at this point in the story.
Being for the Greens IS NOT about Aegon individually for me. He just happened to be the 1st son. It could literally be Aemond or Daeron in Aegon's spot and I'd feel the same.
Speaking of Aemond, he hadn't done anything wrong up until the last scene of episode 10. All the other times he was the one being picked on for not having a dragon, the pig dread incident, being spoken too rudely (it's him), he's the one he gets physically assaulted (by Rhaena and Baela 1st then it's Jace who punches Aemond at the dinner toast). At 10, he gets his eye sliced and permanently blinded, but his own father just ignores it. Viserys in all his weak leadership avoided confronting a problem yet again. Luke should have been punished...stripped of his titles, removed from inheritance, loss of his dragon...something instead of nothing. Viserys inaction solidified the division between the family. The Greens saw that their lives and safety is secondary and not important when it comes to Rhaenrya and the Blacks.
The Strong boys got dealt a crappy hand by their mother...and father... being born in time where bastardy had consequences. It absolutely matters. If it didn't matter Rhaenrya, Viserys, and Daemon wouldn't go out of their way to insist on torturing, mutilating, and killing people for speaking the truth. Those are not Laenor's biological children. It's obvious he wasn't that attached because he took the deal to fake his death then abandon the boys. Another selfish act on the behalf of Rhaenyra and Daemon. So the whole "he's the legal father" argument just doesn't hold water.
Same with Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron. Viserys sired Rhaenyra's direct competition. It's not their fault. Despite Viserys saying Rhaenyra is his heir, many in the realm just flat out don't agree with it. If Rhaenyra ascends, her challenge is still alive. Greens saw the problem and wanted to act, Blacks would do the same. With Rhaenyra being the elder sibling, she couldn't even be bothered with establishing a better connection with her younger siblings. She went as far as suggesting 10yo Aemond should be "questioned sharply", meaning tortured. Do I think she would have personally come for them? No. But there are certainly some close to her who would have no problem solving the problem...looking at you Daemon Killagain Targaryen.
Rhaenyra did not visit Viserys for years despite knowing he was sick. Six years she was gone, but returns only because she wanted him to back her in the Driftmark conversation. Then complains about Alicents redecorating. And then they looked at Viserys condition but concluded he didn't need to be on milk of the poppy.
Otto is a villain in a way that any feudal lord who is that close to power would see how much more he could get. Him pushing Alicent seems foul when looking at the situation through modern eyes, but given the time, it's not out of sync with the those customs. Children of nobilty were pawns used to marry for status, security, alliances. If Viserys intention were to not name his children heirs, then he shouldn't have even remarried. But Viserys is weak and passive. Otto saw the door open and went for it. Part of the game. He wasn't wrong to tell Alicent they would come for her sons if Aegon isn't king.
I like Alicent. I like her for her duty and doing what was asked of her. She was already an anxious and stressed young lady, then she becomes queen. She loses a most of her friends and has very few allies. She loves her children, and really has been the main advocate for their well-being when Viserys couldn't be bothered. Sure Otto wants the power, but he's limited in that regard. Criston trains them to be disciplined, effective fighters and warriors.
Criston broke his vows as member of the kings guard sleeping with Rhaenyra. If he got caught, that's death for him. He loses everything. He had to work for his achievements. Rhaenyra was simply born into it. Rhaenyra wouldn't suffer any consequences. He caught feelings, but she just wanted to use him as her f-boy. She broke his heart and part of him died inside and now he's cold and calculating. He was on the brink of death until Alicent saved him. Again, another example of Rhaenyra just being selfish in not caring about who she hurts.
If I step back, what I see happening is a battle of the 2nd sons: Otto vs Daemon; Aemond vs Luke; Daemon vs Aemond; Vaemond vs Luke. In each of those standoffs, I find myself identifying with the Greens more. I'm not blind to seeing the Blacks perspective either. Ultimately, these are all men with no inheritance in a time where inheritance is everything. So they will fight to the death to get it. 💚💚
#TeamGreen#Aemond Targaryen#House of the Dragon#HotD#hotd aemond#alicent hightower#aegon targaryen ii
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