#white supremacy in fandom
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I think it has a lot less to do with Tom and Adam being genuinely hot and more to do with the fact Tom and Adam are the only white males in their respective movies.
When Rogue One came out the internet was desperately trying to pretend Orson Krennic was attractive just so they could ignore Diego Luna and Riz Ahmed.
you're here because of this ask
and I think you're right tbh. as a reminder here's Orson Krennic
and I remember ppl shipping him and Jyn before the movie even came out!!!
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Hey you said something about the my hero academia creator being unhinged about sexism, do you mind explaining?
I tried to write like, a thorough explanation of this and it just got longer and longer and longer and I have not touched this series in actual years and yet I've still got all these receipts a;lkjk;lfasd.
So rather than trying to build the whole massive case, here's a pared-down version. It's normal to have sexism in media, and shounen manga especially. Everyone does it. The level and mode and intentionality and so forth all vary, but of course it's there.
What's not normal is to have lots of varied and interesting female characters with discernible inner lives, and on-page discussion of how sexism is systemic and unjust and holds them back in specific ways, and then also deliberately make consistent sexist writing decisions even where they don't arise naturally from the flow of the narrative.
Horikoshi is actively interested in gender and sexism, he's aware of them in a way you rarely see outside of the context of, you know, fighting sexism. He is hung up on the thorny issue of what women are worth and deserve and how power and respect ties into it. He genuinely wants, I think, to have Good Female Characters, and not be (seen as) A Sexist Guy!
But. He doesn't actually want to fight sexism. He displays a lot of woman-oriented anxieties, and one of the many churning paddlewheels in his head seems to be that he knows intellectually that morally sexism is bad, but emotionally he really feels like it ought to probably be at least partly correct.
There are so many things I could cite, and maybe I'll get into some of them later, but the crowning item that highlights how the pattern is 1) at least partly conscious and deliberate and 2) about Horikoshi's own weird hangups rather than simply cynical market play, is Mineta Minoru.
The writer has stated Mineta is his favorite character. Mineta is also designed to be hated--that is, he is a particularly elaborate instantiation of a character archetype normally deployed to soak up audience contempt and (by being gross and shameless and unattractive and 'unthreatening') make it possible to include a range of sexual gratification elements into the narrative that would compromise the main characters' reputations as heroic and deserving, if they were the actors.
Good Guys don't grope girls' tits and run away snickering in triumph, after all. Non-losers don't focus intense effort around successfully stealing someone's panties. Nice Girls don't let themselves be seen half-dressed. And so forth. You need an underwear gremlin for that. So, in anime and manga, longstanding though declining tradition of including such a gremlin, for authorial deniability.
Horikoshi definitely uses him straight for this purpose, looping in Kaminari as needed to make a bit work. And yet he has Feelings about the archetype itself.
The passages dedicated to the vindication of Mineta, then, and the author's statements about him, let us understand that Horikoshi identifies with the figure of the underwear gremlin. He understands the underwear gremlin as a defining exemplar of male sexuality, at least if you are not hot, and finds the attached contempt and hostility to be a dehumanizing attack on all uh.
Incels, basically.
It's not fair to write Mineta off just because he's unattractive and horny (and commits sexual harassment). Doesn't he have a mind? Doesn't he have dreams? Doesn't he have human potential?
So what's going on with Horikoshi and gender, as far as I can figure out, is that he knows damn well that women are people and are treated unjustly by sexist society, but however.
He also understands the institutions of sexism as something protecting him and people like him from life being nebulously yet definitively Worse, and therefore wants to see them upheld.
So you get this really bizarre handling of gender where obviously women's rights good and women cool, women can be Strong, and the compulsory sexualization imposed by the industry isn't them or the author, and so forth.
But also it's very important that in the world he controls, women never win anything important or Count too much, and that jokes at their expense that disrupt the internal logic of their characters are always fair game, that women asked about sexism on TV will promptly get into catfights amongst themselves, and they are understood always in terms of their sexual and romantic interests and value, and sexual assertiveness and failures to perform femininity well enough are used to code them as dangerous and irrational, and that the sexy costumes are requisite and will never be subverted or rebelled against--at most they might be circumnavigated via leaning into cute appeal.
And that Yaoyorozu Momo, who converts her body fat into physical objects, is being frivolous when she wants to use money to buy things instead (rather than as sensibly moderating her Quirk use) and is never encouraged to eat as much as possible at every opportunity to put on weight and even shown being embarrassed by hunger (even though Quirk overuse gives symptoms that suggest she's been stripping the lipids out of her cell walls or nervous system to keep fighting) and always, no matter how many Things she has made, has huge big round boobies.
#ask#hoc est meum#beastenraged#bnha#sexism#i think i got the main points here#just getting lost in the weeds of subsidiary arguments and supporting evidence was destroying me#i don't need to do those this is fandom on the internet#and not even a serious level of that#meta#mineta minoru#yaoyorozu momo#honestly psychologically pretty interesting#it's like he keeps saying 'look i know sexism bad but I Need It'#someone tell him that the patriarchy is exploiting him too and we can all achieve liberation together#this is the same mechanism that upholds white supremacy among the poor#'my life is so bad already the idea of liberating those below me and having to share the crumbs with them is horrific'#ESPECIALLY if i know they're worthy and lots of them are better than me#injustice is the only thing keeping my head above water!#he's also fishing for vindication ofc#but it's wild to see how he'll put in the groundwork that would let him do something gender-egalitarian with his themes#and then opt not to#despite having done the hard part already#idk how much that's making a statement and how much it's just 'this Feels Right'#but as a pattern it murdered me
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It'll never stop being funny how people can see something in fiction and recognize it's wrong but for some reason, can't seem to translate that to real life and see how those same things are reflected in their behavior.
y'all watch episode 2, you see Louis face horrific macro aggressions while trying to conduct simple business, you watch him rightfully get angry, you cheer when he kills the man for what is agreed to be a blatant display of racism. you watch him then explain to lestat what the man did and why he reacted the way he did.
and you clutch your pearls when lestat is dismissive, disregarding louis' struggles and calling him confusing, that he's too dramatic and he needs to get over the racism he faces everyday because they just can't keep having this argument about their differences lestat is tired of it! you question how he can be so flippant to a very serious issue that he previously claimed to care about.
But then you come on this tag, you see black people, frustrated and exhausted, calling out the racism they face, explain how harrowing it is, how isolating and sinister it is, and you roll your eyes, dismiss it and call it "fandom drama", we're overreacting and we should drop it already because we can't keep having this "discourse" over and over again, the carousel comes round again and you're tired of it!
I simply have to laugh
#try as hard as they can they'll never push black people out of this space#they sat in their comfort cushion stuffed with white supremacy flavored foam for decades#and now that they're being forced to directly confront the abysmal nature of the text they love so much#it feels like they've been dropped to hard concrete from the 16th story window#I'm just giggling#your 'peace' is irrelevant as long as these ppl continue to make this fandom hell for us#we will continue to call them out and if that's all this tag becomes filled with then so be fucking it#interview with the vampire#iwtv
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the prevalence of certain fandom attitudes towards the relationship between mace windu and anakin skywalker cannot be separated from the fact that mace windu is a darker skinned black man and anakin skywalker is a conventionally attractive white man with blue eyes and blond hair- *gunshots*
nor can it be separated from the fact that mace windu lives a lifestyle that is both asexual and aromantic (in violation of the framework of the the nuclear family) and is devoted to non-western forms of philosophy and community, while anakin skywalker embodies the archetype of the heterosexual, alloromantic, wife-and-two-kids ideal (achieving it is literally his only priority)- *additional gunshots*
#friendly reminder that we all have internalized racism yes even the best of us yes even poc#white supremacy is something we spend our entire LIVES unpacking if you ever think you've achieved wokeness you have in fact lost it#i am not claiming to be the buddha#nor am i claiming that this is 100% the issue#but i think there is a nonzero number of people in this fandom for whom it IS the issue in part when it should not be at ALL#i think samuel l jackson is hot btw but white supremacist beauty standards do not#mace windu#mace#anakin skywalker#anakin#star wars#sw
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cant put my finger on it, but Taylor Swift feels like walking racial microaggression
#it's not even the fact that she let herself become a white supremacist idol without telling them to fuck off#and when asked why she didn't she said she was from Nashville where the Dixie Chicks were a cautionary tale#meanwhile she had no qualms calling out sexism in the industry#but white supremacy was too far apparently#but leaving aside all of that‚ she's so fucking aggressively mediocre#and her 'girl gang' is just rich thin white women#let's not forget that racist Wildest Dreams video shall we?#she's talented and worked hard yeah but her parents are rich and connected as hell#also Swifties are some of the most obnoxious fucking people in music fandom#who get mad when WoC queer women and leftists can't stand her#the whole private jet thing was just icing on the cake tbh#Casey McQuiston had one throwaway line in RWRB where the MoC and Jewish girl dissed her#and half the white queers took that personally#Jesus fuck#let people hate rich thin white women#I mean heck I like Ed Sheeran's music but I don't take it personal when other people don't#then again I don't get idolising celebrities#just because I love someone's music doesn't mean I give much of a shit about them as people#these are objectively complete randos no matter what you think you know about them#anti Taylor swift#people with T-Swift hate blogs also dni#this post is about casual white privilege not whatever weird obsessive shit you got going on#white women#racism#white privilege#knee of huss
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I need some of ya'll who are WILDLY unqualified to STOP!!!TALKING!!!ABOUT!!!SEXUAL!!!ASSAULT!!!
There are REAL people in this fandom who experience this and your "hot take" about it is both FOUL, but also WRONG. And too many of ya'll just hit "post now" without considering "did my twitter/SVU education perhaps not provide the nuance this conversation deserves?"
Because it DIDN'T! It's embarrassing at this point the way ya'll "feminist" defenders really do hype up patriarchal systems and for what? WORDS ON PAPER?
I am so very tired of having to explain to this fandom that sexual assault is a nuanced topic in shades of gray, and that sometimes it's okay to leave that post about how men don't experience sexual assault if the woman is hot IN THE DRAFTS
#what the FUCK#you know how many men ive worked with crying in my office because they feel like they should have fought back harder?#how many have tried to lie to themselves that they enjoyed it?#why would you SIDE with white supremacy/patriarchy against SURVIVORS?#“this never happens” baby I promise you it happens all the time#acotar fandom SHUT THE FUCK UP challenge
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A very good thread by Jourdain Searles on how media criticism pushes out people of colour:
#media criticism#critique#fandom racism#racism#white supremacy#it can such a miserable affair at times
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#I mean they also could have just made the Targaryens biracial but sOmEtHiNg tells me that was never on the table#asoiaf doesn't share our structure of “race” but it's CERTAINLY not colourblind#And it's a little disappointing that they spurned the chance to explore diversity in a world without our system of white supremacy#Like I'm sorry you can't pull the “colour-blind” card and proceed to reduce the roles of all the characters played by Black actors#just to make room for green characterization that didn't exist in the books#while simultaneously exaggerating the importance of the Velaryon boys' appearances#I'm begging HBO to just take the answer the fandom offered#and establish that Valyrian features are passed down regardless of our world's concept of race#and that either Corlys's mother or grandmother was Black. It's that easy.#hotd#hotd critical#asoiaf#hbo#hbo racism#hotd racism
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i think, like, any book on the relationship btwn capitalism and whiteness/white supremacy should be required reading before some of y’all post/write about jonahlias magchard
#quasartalks#tma#the magnus archives#elias bouchard#jonah magnus#tma crit#the magnus archives crit#fandom crit#fandom racism#this man is the textual embodiment of capitalism and therefore of white supremacy#like. jonny could not have made it more obvious if he put a glowing sign on elias’s head saying THIS MAN IS THE EPITOME OF WHITE CAPITALISM#he is not brown. he is not jewish. he is not trans. if he IS queer he is a cis white gay man actively engaging in racial and#—colonial violence#do you think a wealthy white brit in the 1800s who is actively designing and building a prison to observe the suffering of its incarcerated-#-inmates ISNT a violent white supremacist?? hello????#inspired by shitty takes we were complaining abt in discord <3#he’s not a ~burnt out gifted kid~. he’s not a ~fallen hero~. he’s not a hyper flamboyant caricaturized gay man.#he is a violent abusive white supremacist capitalist.#mwah <3#do not archive
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Honestly I think if Grover was a more conventionally attractive character who was a lot more human in appearance rather than being half-goat, Grovercy would be a lot more popular and be a lot closer to Jercy in terms of how the fandom treats it
The thing is I never liked Jercy because it already seemed so forced and out of nowhere in BOO (with their "bro" nicknames and fist bumps) like...Percy just came back from Tartarus. why when ? And the way the fandom made such a big deal out of this when they never gave Grover the time of the day...yeah it just rubs me the wrong way
#I have no shame on claiming that I do not care about two white conventionally attractive guys with no chemistry dating#Grover brought more to Percy than 99% of those books cast#and this fandom (and Rick honestly) sleeps on him#grovercy supremacy#grovercy#percy x grover#percy jackson#grover underwood#ask
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It's genuinely disturbing that people feel comfortable calling others "nazis" because they like characters in a way they don't find personally acceptable. Especially when they think that people calling them out are wrong because a post being "tagged properly" is apparently a free pass to say whatever (their post not even being tagged correctly is a perfect summation of their idiocy). The level of brain rot is unbelievable. People are acting like this over fictional characters because they're that desperate to "win" arguments in fandom. It is truly the mark of people who aren't intelligent enough to make an actual point. I suppose that's how they landed on the logic that blocking everyone who disagrees with them and preserving their echo chamber makes them correct.
#this is why we have to normalize calling people stupid cause they think hitting send on a post means they've made an actual point#they really think they're George's personal appointed keepers of the canon and they get to decide what the story is for themselves lol#what a bunch of fucking lewsers and then they're too cowardly to actually face being called out so they block anyone who disagrees#but if I said wanting the Starks to reclaim winterfell/the North was white supremacy cause they stole the land from the cotf I'd be wrong#/tagged properly/ and they know they'd throw a fit if someone disliked their fave and put it in the anti tag lol they're so hypocritical#you ask for proof of this behavior that is supposedly so prevalent they feel justified on calling targ stans nazis and then it's crickets#the way people trivialize white supremacist behavior is so annoying because it's so often not taken seriously#like if you really think someone's behavior is leaning towards that why is reaction to have a superiority complex around it??#fandom nonsense#anti targaryen antis#there my post is tagged properly so they can't bitch about it if they see it#=
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“as a christian—” literally could not care less
#imperialism fandom shows up in my notes every time you make the most mild joke about their white supremacy religion#I DONT CARE!!!!!!!!!!!! FEEL BAD!!!!!!!!!
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A message to white fantasy/sci-fi fans,- stop referencing your *fictional* white favs as pinnacles of standing against oppression, when BIPOC are having conversations about the decolonization and liberation of their people.
Especially since so many of y’all’s ‘activism’ and ‘ally-ship’ is only ever offered when you can be celebrated, or in fandom debates where y’all pretend to care about certain issues.
#this type of behavior isn’t surprising though#because most of y’all’s mothers and grandmothers are bigoted#and very few white ‘allies’ in history actually had good intentions#most of them were disgusting white saviors who led to the destruction of the people they claimed to save#so y’all truly have nobody to look up to but fictional white people#and yes this is shade.#anyway#anti fandom#anti white saviors#anti white supremacy#free all oppressed peoples
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On the subject of fandom racism and its wider implications of white supremacy
Some racists take on people of colour who call out racism by claiming that we should just focus "on the real world" and not to bring "activism" to places of fandom where people "just want to have fun".
Now, just to be clear, fandom racism is an important topic to tackle (and is indeed racism and therefore negatively impacts the lives of people of colour) but the racism that takes root is not unique to it. Entertainment has long been an excuse racists use to exclude black and brown people. That "people just want to have fun" is a common trick white people use to do this. "People" is a term deliberately used to mean white people, excluding POC, and "fun" to imply thar since white people are having fun, whats the problem. An example is how white musicians excuse appropriating blackness for their music and their style.
Another excuse used to not create content for people of colour is the "I wanted to avoid stereotypes" line, often used by the hollywood entertainment industry to cast white actors. So we can see that entertainment industries and the fandoms they create are linked in having a hand in upholding white supremacy.
White fans will then explain that its not their fault that they don't create content about POC because of the lack of representation in hollywood and other entertainment industries, but deliberately not address the fact that they will ignore any POC who are in the cast, to focus on the white men. Even if the people of colour in the show are the main characters.
There is also the specific atitudes toward certain people of colour that also reflect the white supremacy of wider society. White people on tumblr may think that when they refer to Asian men (that they see in TV shows or in bands) as their "uwu babies" or act as if they have no agency, that they were unique in this. But this isn't true and it is instead a response by white, especially American, society to the "threat of Asian men" and reflective of sinophobia.
Similarly, they might think they were unique in ignoring the struggles or having low empathy for black people, but white people have shown that they have less empathy for black people and their pain compared to white people and more likely to convict black people as a result.
So when you say, you don't see this as being a problem, it shows that we can't trust you. That you can't reflect on the biases you have, conscious or not, and that these may impact any POC that you meet irl, and definitely those you engage with online. You may think you're special in your focus of white men, but don't stop to think that this is exactly the kind of people society prioritises. You have an obvious lack of empathy for black people, and can't treat people of colour in your fandoms the same as white people, so what makes you think you do it in real life?
Here's a link to another post about fandom racism. And an article about the subject.
Anti-racism is an active process, your tired excuses don't work anymore here. Start working on yourself instead.
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i wanna make an actual post eventually about this, its too half baked rn in my brain. but the way white leftists react to other white peoples racism is like an embarrassed family member; preferring to quickly apologize and brush that under the rug, because in the end their loyalties lie with their own. it reminds me of a thanksgiving dinner table, where maybe they are arguing fiercely now, but they all have their own reserved seats inside a home in which poc are not invited. white marginalized people (ie lgbt, disabled, fat, poor, women etc) are seen as suffering due to a failure to choose the "right lifestyle decisions," and while this still meets them with cruelty and vicious violence, is a more generous lens than that offered to poc.
#screaming nightmare era#idk a lot of things come to mind#defending fandoms or celebs with 'yes the racism is bad but i tolerate it bc the mediocre content redeems it'#or just pandering to white supremacy#like 'despite my marginalizations i can still meet the ideal standards'#again. still halfbaked. but i think about it a lot.
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Dear RWRB fandom,
This is your reminder that even in the idealised universe of the book, colonial violence and institutionalized bigotry was very much a thing. Alex only started to revise his opinion of Henry when he told him that he rejected the Crown's plundered, pillaged and leeched wealth. Monarchies are literal codified blood purity and casteism, the bedrock on which class oppression is built. White supremacy is a fundamental pillar of Western colonizer countries. The persecution of Megan Markle is not a problematic facet of an archaic institution, but a white supremacist cult trying to eject the blood polluter.
The book is about how the British Royal Family is a glass menagerie propagated by abuse in the guise of tradition that penalizes even its own members for daring to be part of any marginalization (or just for being a decent human being). Your pretty little headcanons about a half-Mexican man joining Britain's largest welfare family overpaid for ribbon-cutting ceremonies, having a Westminster wedding blessed by the colonizer church and becoming a Duke is racist as all get out and fucking violent to poor and colonized peoples. The very idea that a son of the Chicano revolution would willingly become part of the European parasite class is repulsive. Please learn the difference between romanticising innocuous shit and romanticizing white supremacy. You are making fandom spaces uninhabitable for fans of colour.
Thank you. Get well soon.
Love,
Person from the Global South, in whose blood runs the colonial violence of generations.
#reblog this#at least pretend you're listening to us#red white and royal blue#white queers#girlboss politics#representation#diversity#rwrb#rwrb fanfic#racism#fandom racism#abolish the monarchy#white supremacy#UK politics#knee of huss
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