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So I started sharing some of my more popular posts on Reddit because they were getting reposted there regardless and I decided I'd rather it at least be under my control. And as a result, I now know there's a not-insignificant amount of Tumblr Greens who ALSO spend all their time OBSESSIVELY lurking on the part of Reddit where people discuss the actual HotD/ASoIaF universe rather than that fan fiction. How did I find out? Against my will.
Is it unhinged? Of course.
Is it funny? Yes.
But is it a little sad and concerning? Also yes.
Gamergate happened around the time I first got reliable access to the internet, so I kind of think of it as my (sad) introduction to internet culture. And I'm telling you, I haven't seen this particular combination of certain specific behaviors at this intensity since that era. And what worries me is that Gamergate didn't happen in a vacuum. It was simply one of many reflections of certain sentiments simmering in society and a precursor to those sentiments being expressed in far more material ways than misogyny on the internet.
There's simply no way HBO doesn't know the kind of discourse they've been feeding in the interest of engagement — and fear of alienating a part of their potential audience that shares in those troubling underlying sentiments. I'm not saying they're responsible for whatever's happening here, but they're definitely fine with fanning the flames for profit.
#hbo#hotd#asoiaf#hotd critical#anti team green#anti HBO making it a thing#hotd sexism#hotd fandom#asoiaf fandom#gamergate
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On one hand, I really hate the Disneyfication of the Starks. But on another hand, I equally hate that growing circle that despises the Starks and Targaryens in favour of their heroic and civilized Andal families who are just trying to survive the savage northmen and evil colonizers.
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The Starks are such an interesting family with such a long and complex history. I sure wish HBO hadn't dropped them from their adaptation in order to replace them with the Stanks. It feels like an entirely different story at times.
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Daenerys and Rhaenyra are among the most "sociological" characters who are emblematic of the social movements and attitudes around them, which is why it's so infuriating that it's their actions that are picked apart the most in a quest to define them by both real and imagined individualized "personal failings".
#asoiaf#hotd#hotd critical#fire and blood#hotd sexism#rhaenyra targaryen#daenerys targeryan#got fandom#something something dany is a revolutionary character because she reflects how so many people are ready and desperate for change#and how the current network of various power vacuums and cultural stagnations are RIPE for change in a way they weren't in Rhaenyra's time
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I feel like there's this pervasive attitude that the effort people put into posts and art about [insert take on fiction/pop culture] is valueless and a waste of time. Strangely, it often comes from people who are likely just as much or more terminally online and simply limit their "writing" to to obsessing about people who actually use that time to make something they like. And I think it's important to remember that, even if you want to approach this from a purely capitalist lens, there are so many talented people on this site who 10-20 years ago would be getting paid for what they do by magazines, pop culture sites, and other entertainment and creative industries that used to hire people. The fact someone doesn't get paid for an ungodly long Tumblr, Reddit, or other kind of post or creation that hundreds of people enjoyed isn't a flaw in how that person chooses to spend their time. It's a flaw in a world that doesn't reward creative, enjoyable endeavors.
#capitalist dystopia#creativity has value#making something you like with that creativity has value#it's just the system that doesn't value it
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I honestly don't think night-shifts would be as unhealthy for people as they are now if this world wasn't so hostile to anyone not on a 9-5 schedule that it's actually impossible to maintain a consistent nocturnal sleep schedule — you just end up with no sleep schedule.
#capitalist hell#capitalism#if you're going to require a part of the population to turn into vampires to service the dystopia you need to let us be vampires full time
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Fantasy books stop having arctic kingdoms of all blond hair blue eyed white people.
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"Rhaenyra's such a whore for choosing someone she loved and trusted to father her children. What she should have done is find someone with the right look whom she could come to a mutually beneficial arrangement with. Not some reckless arrangement born out of lust. But more a... business arrangement. I definitely wouldn't call her a whore then."
'Rhaenyra is a bad mom bc she knowingly gave birth to bastards and she knew how much danger they'd be in!!!!'
1. She had no way of knowing those babies wouldn't pop out looking exactly like her, beforehand. And unfortunately she couldn't stop at Jace. The throne needed an heir. Driftmark needed an heir. And a spare was needed as well, given the sheer rate of Targaryen children dying untimely deaths.
2. She had to provide heirs to the throne, and to Driftmark. If she hadn't, society wouldn't have blamed Laenor, they would have blamed her- which makes her position even more unstable, bc then she 'can't fulfill a woman's duty' so why would men think her 'able' to fill a 'man's role' by ruling the kingdom? And she and Laenor tried. He was either unable (meaning infertile or impotent, or unable to get it up), or unwilling. (And they did try. We dont know what they tried but Rhaenyra is shown to be clever in the show so honestly i have no doubt she attempted what Margaery suggested with Renly.) Laenor was in on the entire thing. He was aware of every part of this. He wasn't duped, he wasn't cuckholded- it was a plan greenlit by him, bc this way he and Rhaenyra would both have their heirs and a family. This cannot in any way shape or form be compared to Cersei cuckholding Robert (fuck Robert Baratheon tho), seeing as Robert was **not** at all aware that his children weren't his, and wouldn't have been OK with that.
Either way- she chose not to maritally r*pe her husband and put him through more trauma after it was clear their attempts weren't working. Yall are always so upset for Alicent (rightfully so, bc show!alicent was maritally raped, even if it wasn't considered as such in that time), but you... WANT Rhaenyra to do that to Laenor? Hello???
[And no. Rhaenyra did NOT rape or coerce Criston Cole. The actors, writers, and directors have all stated their sex was consensual and 'an act of love.' It was Rhaenyra going to someone she felt close to and trusted after feeling abandoned and unwanted and betrayed. In that scene you literally watch, as after Cole tells Rhaenyra to stop undressing herself, she moves aside so she isn't blocking his way to the door. The director states that the moment they show Cole folding and setting down his cloak was him choosing his desire over his oaths. And Criston Cole has known Rhaenyra since she was 14. He knew damn well the sort of person she was- and she was not the person who would have harmed him for saying no. She was an intoxicated and emotionally vulnerable 19 year old- Criston was in his late 20s to early 30s. And it's explicitly stated in ep.9 that the ONLY person a Kingsguard cannot refuse is the king. In ep.7 Criston disobeys a direct order from Alicent when she wants him to mutilate Lucerys. Criston Cole was not assaulted. Stop trying to assign Aegon's sins to Rhaenyra so that you can feel better for supporting him.]
3. In the books, the rumors of their bastardry at large halted when all of Rhaenyra's boys' cradle eggs hatched. The ONLY people who continued to try and raise issue were the core green faction. But the realm at large *did not give a fuck* why? Because every actually relevant party claimed those boys. Repeatedly and without flinching. Laenor claimed and loved those boys even face to face with Alicent's bullshit. Corlys claimed and love those boys- he was proud of them, and it's been stated by the actor in the show that Luke was his favorite- that given the... events of ep.10, Corlys will be out for blood. And Viserys repeatedly insisted upon their legitimacy- because Laenor and Corlys claimed them, because he knew that by forcing Rhaenyra to marry Laenor in order to repair the damage his insults caused House Velaryon, that he had backed her into a corner.
Rhaenyras boys are remembered to history as Velaryon. Even **Green supporters** noted that they were good, capable, intelligent, and **worthy** princes. That their deaths were unfortunate *for the realm.*
Legally, those boys are legitimate. They cannot be proven illegitimate without Laenor renouncing them, and he never did. Furthermore, trying to declare children illegitimate due to their appearance is a stupid, dangerous precedent. The fact that it's people who have no ties to House Velaryon pushing these rumors and pushing for disinheritance makes it even worse, because they're meddling in the succession of a House that *is not theirs.* if that became a standard, imagine the feuds and conflicts that would erupt- lords pushing for the children of rivals to be declared illegitimate all for the sake of trying to grasp and steal land, power, and influence as a norm? The realm would tear itself apart. Not to mention the sheer danger that would place women in, in Westeros.
Furthermore, even whilst usurping her, even while calling her children bastards, the Greens also imply Laenor's homosexuality was inherited by the Velaryon princes- that they would use Rhaenyra's 'promiscuity' and Laenor's 'predilections' to turn the Red Keep into a brothel- ironic, considering that's more what Aegon would've done. So even while claiming that Rhaenyras children are bastards that shouldn't inherit, they try to state that what the boys inherit or learn from Laenor makes them unfit for the throne. They can't keep their own damn story straight- because their usurpation was never about what is moral, what is right, or the greater good. It was about greed. Power. Sexism.
It doesn't matter what those boys looked like, especially seeing as Rhaenys had dark hair in the books. What matters is that Corlys and Laenor and Viserys claimed them and declared them legitimate, and that they **never** deviated from that.
As for Vaemond, he was a second son. And he waited until Corlys and Viserys were dying and too ill to stop him to make a grasp for power. Youre not supposed to look at that and feel hes in the right. Youre supposed to look at that and see a man consumed by greed, and literally trying to bury Corlys' will and intentions before the man is even in a grave. He was NEVER Corlys' heir- he just wanted power. It wasn't about his House, or their legacy, it was about him.
(And before yall start shit about Rhaenyras boys stealing Laena's girls' inheritance... Rhaena and Baela are *TARGARYEN*. Not Velaryon. Their claim was to the throne or to any holdings in Daemon's name. NOT to Driftmark.)
Rhaenyras boys being betrothed to Rhaena and Baela tied up any issue of 'Velaryon blood.' Baela would have been queen consort of the seven kingdoms at Jace's side, and they very clearly adored one another in book and show. Rhaena would have been Lady of the Tides- which she never would have had a chance for, without Rhaenyra (and Laena) making those betrothals. She and Luke were also canonically very close- and in show she's very encouraging of him whenever he looks nervous or uncertain. They had a bond.
Rhaenyra stole nothing. She gave those girls more. And she loved them- they were the only daughters she got to have, seeing as the Greens treachery caused the early death of baby Visenya. If she hadn't loved them, she wouldn't have trusted Rhaena to look after Joffrey or give her Morning's egg from Syrax. She wouldn't have immediately invited both girls to the table when she was queen, which is something her father did not do for her until much, much later. He allowed Rhaenyra's voice to be silenced too often when she was first made heir. Rhaenyra did not repeat that hurt to her girls or her boys.
Anyways, moving on.
You lot do also remember that Rhaenyra herself has Velaryon blood, right? Jaehaerys I's mother was Alyssa Velaryon. Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya the Conquerors' mother was Valaena Velaryon. It's not immediate, but there *is* Velaryon blood through *all* of Rhaenyras boys.
Ultimately, Rhaenyras boys were only in danger because of the core Green faction usurping the throne. If they hadnt- no succession crisis or rebellion could have truly threatened Rhaenyras boys- because none of them would have had dragons. All of Rhaenyras children loved one another- her sons by Daemon would not have turned on her sons with Laenor (and Harwin). They were a true, loving family- possibly one of the healthiest and most close knit one House Targaryen ever boasted.
And another thing... 'her having babies with Harwin was stupid, she should have picked someone Valyrian!'
Here's the thing. Rhaenyra had to be careful as hell choosing who would father her and Laenor's heirs. She had to choose someone who was physically close, and who could be trusted. Someone who wouldn't try to publicly claim those boys in boast or jealousy. Someone who would keep their mouth shut and had no ambition of their own in regards to the throne. Do you really think Vaemond Velaryon (as I see him suggested a lot) would've kept his mouth shut? That he wouldn't have tried to use this to blackmail Rhaenyra and Laenor for more power and status? Do you think Rhaenys would have ever fought for or supported Rhaenyra if Rhaenyra had tried to have Corlys sire her children? And flying to see Daemon in Pentos and having a purely Valyrian child 9 months later would have made things look even more suspect.
Furthermore... she chose someone who cared for her deeply. Who clearly had a positive relationship with Laenor. She chose someone so she wouldn't have to traumatize herself- she took power over her body in a way almost no Westerosi woman has ever been able to. They were a family unit- Rhaenyra, Laenor, and Harwin. Those children were loved and cherished by two fathers and their mother. They were raised never doubting their mothers love, nor their father's- either father. They were raised and educated to be true, good princes of the realm.
Rhaenyra fought like hell for her children. She was an incredible mother. Yall just believe everything the Green faction says without looking at it critically, and that's unfortunate as hell.
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Something something the Dance showing how much harm can a loud minority cause something something the Green stans being a loud minority sprouting misogynistic retoric.
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I'm making this a thing through sheer force of will
#team black#hotd critical#asoiaf#asoiaf fandom#hotd#house of the dragon#anti team green#fire and blood#anti aemond targaryen
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My cat has flopped onto and rubbed up against my laptop while I'm trying to write so often that she's oozed through the boundary between reality and fiction to occupy a place as her own character within my fic. I promise to stop flab-shaming her character when she finally learns to keep that flab off my keyboard.
#yes she's the cat Rhaenyra uses to teach Aegon the Deuce about consent#i promise she doesn't get the cheeto treatment#also if you've ever gotten a comment or message from me that was cut off or deleted and replaced right away it was probably sent by her
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Shocking how many people don’t know that hens lay non-fertilized eggs and think the yolk they’re eating is a baby chicken
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I really don't get how people can go, "Wow, Fire and Blood really sexualizes Targaryen women. That of course means that Targaryens sexualize their poor women."
Something something... then something about how Targaryens are evil for sexualizing their women, something, an actual thought about how Targaryen women have been mistreated as their family assimilated into a patriarchal system, something, something about how some of those women (the bad ones) are whores for coming from an evil house that sexualizes and mistreats its women.
#asoiaf#hotd#hotd critical#fire and blood#team black#asoiaf fandom#house of the dragon#anti team green#hotd sexism#rhaenyra targaryen
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The kids weren't wrong for faulting Aemond for taking Vhagar. They were simply unwise for confronting him themselves rather than reporting him.
EDIT: reorganized, reblog removed, a few points added, and some screenshots fixed.
Gotta love how when Daemon was out of the picture for ten years the justification for usurping Rhaenyra was that her position was too "weak" and that she's a fox whispering sweetly as she's surrounded by hounds and she's just making it too easy to take the throne. So after Alicent proves to be a threat by stabbity stab stabbing her while trying to stab Rhaenyra's son after Aemond jacked a war dragon without permission and it was revealed Alicent has been actively coaching her brothers against her, Rhaenyra decides to strengthen her position by marrying Daemon to make it clear she won't stand by if Alicent tries to usurp her and suddenly the usurpation is justified for the opposite reason.
Hmm... It's almost like there was no right choice for Rhaenyra.
#a non misogynistic jaehaerys would have sent his ass to the wall just for that stunt#the Vhagar issue#Yes you can “steal a dragon”#you can steal anything#anti aemond stans#anti aemond targaryen#anti team green#anti team green stans#the vhagar issue is a fantastic example of how they care little for codes of conduct that prevent mass destruction#driftmark#hotd#asoiaf#fire and blood#anti Aemond Waters
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Cersei is a more "feminist" character than HotD could ever dream of portraying.
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Begging you all to remember that when people try to deflect from the misogyny at the heart of the Dance by hiding behind the Rhaenyra's "bastards" argument that wasn't even a core factor in the book, you should remind them that by that logic, Alicent's bastards, be they from Daemon or dragonseeds, are also ineligible for the throne. Actually, it's worse. Because we're given no indication that Viserys knew, Viserys did not approve Aegon to inherit, and Alicent has no claim of her own to pass to her children.
You can find the evidence you might need to use to remind them on this previous post.
#asoiaf#hotd#hotd critical#fire and blood#team black#asoiaf fandom#house of the dragon#anti team green#hotd sexism#rhaenyra targaryen#Prince Aegon Waters#Lord Aemond Waters#Princess Helaena Waters
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Reblogging with better organization, a few things I left out, and without the previous "reply" because it was misogynistic trolling nonsense by a member of what I can only describe as a community of the dysliterate (willfully and functionally illiterate by choice, rather than circumstance) that was wasting space on a long post. You can find their original reblog here if you're so inclined for nonsense (or to know who to block).
Worry not, I'm sure they have plenty of alt-accounts where they can still obsessively read this and get off on telling themselves how wrong I am.
The willfully dysliterate troll:
Sure… that’s what happened… Aemond didn’t at all claim a dragon just as several Targaryens had, Rhaenyra included, and then get jumped for an imagined crime.
So I suspect the whole baffling "Aemond didn't steal Vhagar because he couldn't have because you can't steal a dragon" phenomenon stems not just from the blatant misreading of Dany's "a dragon is not a slave," moment, but moreso from people not understanding how ownership works. As in, ownership is something we make, not some objective, divinely ordained right.
The kids weren't wrong for faulting Aemond for taking Vhagar. They were simply unwise for confronting him themselves rather than reporting him.
But Aemond is already in the wrong before the confrontation starts. Rhaena was technically incorrect about Vhagar being “hers to claim” without Viserys's or Rhaenyra's consent, but she was absolutely right to be angry at Aemond and to point out that he did not have a right to claim her. Especially since Rhaena had good reason to expect that Viserys and Rhaenyra would not only permit her but would prefer her over Aemond.
Oh no, now here come the people screaming that, "You cannot steal a dragon!"
These people love to cite Daenerys this one time, as if “a dragon is not a slave” doesn't just mean that dragons cannot be subdued the same way a human can. As if it wasn't a comment on the institution of slavery itself. As if she wasn't about to free a city full of enslaved people. Because I have seen so many takes based on this moment that honestly look like this:
A dragon being able to say yes or no, and let's be honest, often based on blood and vibes, doesn't mean you can't steal the right to claim them if an entire culture, and then dynasty, forms itself around creating, protecting, and regulating that right. The fact that you can't force a bond doesn't mean that it's a fucking free-for-all game of finders-keepers.
Is anyone honestly convinced that if Saera had made it to Balerion, Jaehaerys would or should have said, "Congratulations for sneaking past the dragonkeepers to get to the dragon that's genetically and by now psychologically predisposed to accept a rider with your blood. That proves you're worthy of being a dragonrider with unrestricted access to a war dragon, for some reason."
If an Old Blood of Volantis had managed to sneak into the catacombs and bond with one of her dragons, would Dany have said, "Well, that proves you're worthy! Here you go." Or even, should she have said that?
If we invented magical shoes that made you fly, but once one person puts them on they can't be worn by anyone else, are you honestly going to argue that you can't "steal" a pair of shoes simply because they end up fitting?
“Ownership” is a socio-political construct and not some objective rule of nature. And that being a socio-political construct makes it no less real.
Targaryens derive their power from their monopoly over dragons because they have the power to enforce that monopoly. They own the dragons because they have the power to enforce that ownership. That's how ownership works. It's not some divine rule ordained by the gods. It's a rule they made because they had the power to make it.
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And again, that does not make that rule any less 'real'. Because that's how most 'rules' are formed.
"But Aemond just wanted the birthright he unfairly denied! A connection to their heritage!"
Nevermind that him being "deprived" of a dragon and "bullied" for it goes against both book!canon and the rules that the show established. That plenty of Targaryens have gone without dragons, and even more have gone into their teens or adulthood before claiming one. Nevermind that. Let's talk about that "birthright."
What's important to understand is that Aemond wasn't challenging the idea that Targaryens should hold dominion over dragons, or the power structure behind it. Because Aemond's sense of entitlement to Vhagar originates from the very socio-political construct that he disregards.
He wasn't challenging his family's, his culture's, dominion over dragons. He was challenging and disrespecting the way by which his family, and their culture, maintain and enforce that dominion amongst themselves. And why? Was it for good reason? Not really. He was sneaking around because he knew he wasn't allowed to claim Vhagar, and he thought he deserved Vhagar.
So what does Jaehaerys have to say on the matter of whether or not a Targaryen can "steal" a dragon?
The funniest part about people who argue that Aemond couldn't have stolen Vhagar because you can't cite Jaehaerys because Jaehaerys would have disinherited Rhaenyra in the first place... is that they're basically arguing that if someone is a misogynist, you must therefore disregard everything they've ever said or done.
Interesting... So, since it's mostly people from Team Misogyny who make that 'argument' I'm just gonna go ahead and use their own logic and... ignore it in the name of basic reasoning.
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Well that's awkward.
Saera actually has the more sympathetic justification of the two.
She never put the claim of the heir to question. All she was being punished for at the time was daring to fuck. Yes, she played cruel pranks but that was not what she was being punished for. Yet Jaehaerys was so enraged by the mere attempt to claim a dragon that he dismissed any chance of forgiveness and shipped her off to the Silent Sisters.
Saera's "crime" was defying unjust, misogynist rules. And the reason she wanted a dragon was to escape the unjust consequences of her 'crimes'. The whole reason she had to try to 'steal' a dragon is that she actually was denied a dragon for unjust, misogynistic reasons. All Aemond would have had to do is wait.
People like to pretend as if his "boldness" in claiming Vhagar proves him "worthy." That Vhagar "chose" him. And yes, while he initiated a bond and Vhagar accepted, it's not as if Vhagar in that moment could sense every contender in the world, and out of everyone, decided to honour the "worthy" Aemond. He snuck into the flying shoe store when it was closed, and the shoe ended up fitting. But the shoe could have fit any number of people in different circumstances. That's why dragonlords took steps to manage those circumstances.
Taking Vhagar, heedless of the authority and judgement of the elder and more experienced Targaryens, sneaking around because he knew he wouldn't be allowed otherwise, and lucking out that Vhagar liked his scent wasn't a sign he was "worthy". It proves he has no respect for the system put in place to manage such a dangerous power, and we see that made manifest.
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You get a lot of takes around this moment like, "The Dance was a product of Targaryen arrogance alone! Those stupid Targs gave nukes to children and had NO system to ensure that dragons were handled responsibly."
And then will proceed to say: "What no, Aemond didn't STEAL Vhagar you can't STEAL a dragon he HAD to sneak around because you just know Rhaenyra would have convinced Viserys to say no otherwise. So what if previous generations seemed to have had strict policies about who got a dragon and when? That was clearly WRONG dragons aren't SLAVES except Saera was definitely wrong for trying to take a dragon to escape the consequences of being a whore. Stealing a dragon should be punishable by death. Also, Aemond did nothing wrong him not having permission to claim a war dragon was him being OPPRESSED. Everyone else was wrong for getting mad at him and Viserys was wrong for not punishing the others but him letting Aemond keep Vhagar was DEFINITELY not a sign of his weakness the only sign of his weakness was not punishing Luke the significantly younger child. It's no wonder Aemond lost control of Vhagar but it wasn't HIS fault for having no respect for how his family traditionally viewed dragons or Viserys's for letting him keep Vhagar. It's just proof targs are dumb foreigners who thought they could domesticate dragons and give nukes to children."
And around and around it goes...
The funniest part is that when I point this out people never rebut with actual points they're just like "tHaT's NoT hOw It WoRkS! Ownership is ownership!" And I think it has a lot more to do with them wanting to take certain kinds of ownership for granted as this objective, divinely ordained right, and how something as seemingly insignificant as exploring how fictional dragon family can create and enforce their own kind of "ownership" over a symbol and source of raw power challenges that worldview, and they're often completely unwilling to examine that.
In conclusion:
Rhaena and Baela probably grew up with stories about Jaehaerys and generations as far back as Valyria regarding how dragons were managed. They knew what was up. Viserys doing nothing was a sign of his weakness, and Rhaenyra not pushing was likely only due to Aemond's eye and her precarious position in that moment. Neither are a confirmation of the idea that "you cannot steal a dragon."
The whole point of that scene in Fire and Blood was the important matter (Vhagar) was pushed aside because Viserys didn't want to deal with 'drama'. And because of Aemond's eye Rhaenyra was not in a position or mindset to push in the moment, especially when she was already dealing with the revelation that Alicent was actively turning her brothers against her.
Rhaenyra was not just the heir to the throne; she was also the future head of the family and highest ranking dragonrider. If she didn't want Aemond to have Vhagar and if she would have had Viserys say no had Aemond asked, then yes he did indeed “steal” Vhagar.
So yes actually it was a pretty good trade for Aemond.
Gotta love how when Daemon was out of the picture for ten years the justification for usurping Rhaenyra was that her position was too "weak" and that she's a fox whispering sweetly as she's surrounded by hounds and she's just making it too easy to take the throne. So after Alicent proves to be a threat by stabbity stab stabbing her while trying to stab Rhaenyra's son after Aemond jacked a war dragon without permission and it was revealed Alicent has been actively coaching her brothers against her, Rhaenyra decides to strengthen her position by marrying Daemon to make it clear she won't stand by if Alicent tries to usurp her and suddenly the usurpation is justified for the opposite reason.
Hmm... It's almost like there was no right choice for Rhaenyra.
#a non misogynistic jaehaerys would have sent his ass to the wall just for that stunt#the Vhagar issue#Yes you can “steal a dragon”#you can steal anything#anti aemond stans#anti aemond targaryen#anti team green#anti team green stans#the vhagar issue is a fantastic example of how they care little for codes of conduct that prevent mass destruction#driftmark#hotd#asoiaf#fire and blood#anti Aemond Waters
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