#trans misogyny is a bitch I am NOT at all saying it's not. as an intersex person who gets clocked by transphobes as both sexs
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I feel bad for unfollowing some people I've followed for a long time but god damn you guys love inventing new binaries and labels to put on people huh
#satt speaks#the tma/tme binary is stupid as shit I'm sorry#Trans people will get shit on no matter what their sex is or their current gender is#trans misogyny is a bitch I am NOT at all saying it's not. as an intersex person who gets clocked by transphobes as both sexs#just god damn guys cmon#stop inventing new ways to exclude other trans people from conversations. everyones experiences are complex
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Me when I see people reducing fictional women (especially woc and queer women) to The Bitch/The Mom/The Keeper Of The Braincell/The Reason Your Gay Ship Isn't Canon/The Sexy One/etc
#it should go without saying but considering the subject#op is a trans faggot who turns every female character they love into a trans femme icon te/rfs dont even THINK of interacting#anyways some of y'all are getting poked with a cattle prod soon i s2g#the takes some people on this site force upon me#this is specifically bc im soooo tired of fandoms turning women into Harpy Bitches™#or one dimensional props for the sake of a gay ship#if i see one more person Momify a fictional woman who has no maternal instinct at all#I'm gonna start biting#this is probably the closest to genuine fandom discorse i will ever post#also i am white so i dont think it's rly my place to speak about racism and misogyny in fandoms when it comes to fictional woc#but if anyone more qualified than me wants to speak on that absolutely go off bc i know it's a huge problem
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I am keeping this post out of the main tags, and putting everything about it under a cut! This one’s for you anon, you probably know who you are <3
Please be warned, this Adam post contains conversion rpe / noncon, homophobia, misogyny, and character death mentioned/implied. Please don’t read this to trigger or upset yourself.
conversion with adam is so horrendous and so hot to think abt asjdfkdsfn. because he's absolutely the kind of guy that'd try
imagine him stringing along a sinner reader. convincing them he can get them into heaven (and maybe he can but not for good reasons) but he lies and makes out the only way he can pull it off is if they become straight. and the only way to prove that is rounds of getting fucked into the ground and bred by him
i feel kind of guilty sharing that haha
not trans so i haven't read detransition works but i like the opposite where the character doesn't want to date a woman and so forces them to become a man. i mostly just write that though because i can't find it how i like it
Don’t feel guilty!! I get it but you don’t need to feel that <3 and I haven’t read what you mentioned! But I totally get writing that stuff yourself, cuz it’s hard to find stuff that Exactly fulfills your desires
He really would try :’)! Adam would attempt it during the extermination, where you’re already horrendously stressed out, because of all the, y’know all the people being killed all around you.
You, in one way or another, end up at the other end of one of Adam's blasts, but , rather than immediately killing you, he can tell you're pretty hot. For a fucking sinner, at least. He's no stranger to raping a couple of chicks during an extermination, like, who cares if they're about to die in a couple of minutes anyway? But maybe he wants to play a little game this time around. (With a high chance of him getting bored just as quickly.)
You squeeze your eyes shut, readying yourself for an impact that never arrives. Instead, when you hesitantly look back out through your squinted eyelids, you are greeted by an angel leering above you.
Adam would tell you that with just one look, he could tell that a pretty bitch like you doesn’t belong here at all! There must’ve been some mistake somewhere, yeah, yeah… You belong up in Heaven, babe. And about half of you knows that this has to be bullshit, but you’ve seen friends and strangers alike die in front of your eyes today, and you are desperate to clutch at any straws, so you listen. There’s just one little thing you gotta do, he tells you.
And… What’s that? You ask, a little breathless, trying to hide your shaking. To no avail.
Adam hums for a moment, a grin flickering across his face, before a hand cups over his mouth, a finger rubbing at his chin as if he were deep in thought. You gotta get some ‘angelic essence’ inside you. Heh. In other words, us, yes, us two, are going to need to fuck. Right here. Right now.
If this were any other situation, you’d be tempted to flip him off, laugh in his face until you were close to tears, and get the hell out of there. But he could kill you with a snap of his fingers. Even then, this specific scenario comes out of left field.
I don’t… I— I’m not attracted to men. Sorry? You end up sputtering. Do… Female angels—
Adam cuts you off before you can finish. Yeah, well, not being ‘attracted to men’ is kinda part of the problem here, babe. Why do you think you’re down here?
You really don't want to do this. You'd rather take an angelic blast to the face. I… Can I not? You say, after swallowing the nervous spit accumulated in your mouth.
"Well, duh, of course you can say no! But I guess that would mean you're not really dedicated to getting into Heaven, and you'd rather stay a demon forever, huh?" He hisses out a breath through grit teeth, as if he's just about to tell you horrible news. "And that means… I gotta kill you, babe. That's just how things work! Either you get fucked by me right here and now, or I blast your soul to little pieces. Is that clear enough for you?"
And that’s how you end up on your stomach, in the middle of corpses and rubble, pants and underwear shimmied down to around your knees. Little rocks scraping at your skin with every thrust, your insides burning with pain. Not so unenthusiastic after all, huh? Adam pants out. I can feel you getting fucking wetter. Stupid bitch. You think any ‘wetness’ in between your legs right now could only be blood.
Adam usually couldn’t care less about his partner’s pleasure, much less when it comes to a sinner such as yourself, but he wants to prove a point here. He wants to have a man such as himself make you feel good, and scramble that brain of yours for the rest of your existence. So, as you sob, a hand clumsily starts to rub in the general area of your clit, eventually figuring out exactly where to touch. He laughs and laughs and laughs as you tighten up around him and beg and plead for him to stop— But he chooses to interpret it as telling him to continue.
Greedy bitch, he hisses out. All you needed was a bit of cock to set your mind straight— I’ll make you cum, don’t you fucking worry. But he finishes before you, filling you up with rope after rope of hot cum, as you shudder and shiver in disgust underneath him. And he does make you cum. It feels more like a release of pressure rather than anything pleasurable, though you can’t stop the strangled cry leaving your mouth, or the convulsion of your inner walls.
Adam pulls out of you, laughter still on his lips. Pity to have to kill a decent pussy such as this one. Ah, well, whatever. And—
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This isn’t really enlightened commentary but after lurking in the tags since 2021-ish, I’ve noticed this weird cycle that transandrophobia / anti-transmasculinity deniers go through when trying to convince people that acknowledging ATM exists is somehow worse than those who are ATM themselves.
Pretty generally it’s “oh are those transmascs bitching again? just detrans already you [cunt/bitch]. I’m a trans guy and I don’t think ATM is real so you must be a trender a woman who hasn’t realized she’s a radfem yet. I know your gender/life better than you do.” -> “you’re saying trans guys can be affected by [medical misogyny]? you’re calling me a woman by talking about [pregnant trans guys]. men don’t face [medical misogyny] so you’re not a man (but i am)” -> repeat endlessly. put new things in the brackets of the second one depending on what anons are projecting about this week.
As someone who had a friend who got sucked into truscum discourse at a really young age, it’s pretty much just the same shit? A lot of “well this transmasc has different experiences than me, time to invalidate them because I am the True Transsexual here”, misogyny, really charged sexual language/discussions of AGAB, and an almost religious adherence to “REAL (trans)men don’t have problems. If you are (trans)masc and you step out of what I think you should say/how you should dress/what you should call yourself I will just call you [female/a woman/a girl].”
I do think the peak of truscum discourse had less rape/SA pregnancy threats (I’m not calling them “jokes” because they weren’t) but it’s eerie how it’s all just the same broken record of people being defensive essentialists? Even eerie to see the cycle being repeated by people who now disavow transmeds but are fine going “my bigotry/exclusionism is good because these queer people deserve it this time.”
You could probably tie it all into the rise of Aphobia around the same period (hell, the whole “Aro men are evil” thing recently happened!) but I’m not aspec so I don’t want to step on toes there. I think your anons have made this abundantly clear, I’m so sorry you have to deal with these projecting anons but I’m so thankful your blog is here. It’s such a good resource and I don’t think I’d be able to really chew on all of this without it.
Thank you, no I appreciate your analysis a lot. The parallels to truscum culture are especially pertinent as I got an anon yesterday calling me a tucute for talking about transandrophobia lol.
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It's trans day of visibility and all I can feel is dread.
Because I am intersex nonbinary,
which means the only parts of me that are seen,
are whatever predatory intent can he projected onto me.
.
I'm both "invisible" (erased) and hypervisible,
which according to anyone who experiences the other
is "privilege" and not yet another form of violence.
.
Trans people tell me they can "always tell"
that I'm an "afab trying to invade women's spaces"
or "basically a cis man playing at femininity,
trying to invade femme spaces";
there are no spaces for me.
.
"Make your own and be alone" -
it matters not that I am trans woman and trans man -
the one taints the other and makes me neither;
for all that the two are treated like oil and water,
I am treated like sludge.
.
"TME doesn't reduce you to your sex" is cried,
while they scrutinize me for signs
of being "male intersex" or "female intersex",
"you probably just have PCOS" -
y'know, the well-accepted intersex variation
that causes hyperandrogeny
to the point of even affecting your genitalia,
and which has recently been discovered to occur
in people without ovaries
(or any of the other sex characteristics
typically associated with presence of ovaries
in dyadic people)?
.
And all for what?
To tell me I haven't experienced my own experiences,
and am wrong about them,
and that actually they weren't that bad,
because they must be "misdirected" -
because I must be the "wrong sex"
to have experienced them.
.
Believe trans women,
unless there's literally any reason you can come up with,
that we are predatory liars
invading real women's spaces.
.
That's fighting transmisogyny, dontcha know?
.
And always remember that trans men
are hysterical whiny men's rights activists
cuntboys and bitches who wanna be oppressed so badly
who have never experienced misogyny a day in our life
and always pass as soon as we first think about wearing a binder
because there famously aren't surgeries
to get rid of two very obvious things
front and center
that T can't change
.
Remember it's also fighting transmisogyny
to joke about raping specific people
who explictly haven't consented to it
and then claim
that it's transmisogyny to judge trans women
for a cnc kink.
.
Don't believe multigender trans women,
masc trans women, butch trans women,
AMAB transmascs and AMAB nonbinary people,
AFAB trans people, trans "transandrophobia truthers",
trans people of color, disabled trans people...
.
Hm, actually, there's an easier way of saying this.
Believe skinny white gender conforming trans women
with large active follower counts
that act as harassers on call
to enforce the party line
(what happened to acab?)
and no one else.
.
If you can't enforce acknowledgement of your pain,
you don't get any.
Apparently, it's a limited resource.
.
And any joy you take -
from being a man,
or a femboy,
or a nonbinary person,
or a woman if you do it the wrong way,
or a trans person in general
is a threat,
and a transmisogynistic one at that.
.
All while you speak over trans people
of every gender
and especially trans women
telling you "no the fuck it's not, you transphobe".
.
Oh and degendering is a real problem,
but if you ever call someone a person
because they only have their pronouns in bio
and pronouns≠gender,
remember that it's transphobia to not extrapolate
binary gender from binary pronouns.
Never mind all the nonbinary people you know
who use she/her, he/him, and she/him.
It's not transphobia to assume they're
basically cis women (dangerous),
cis men (dangerous),
trans men (dangerous)
or trans women (dangerous).
.
Obviously nonbinary identity is disingenous,
and doesn't really exist,
but that's not transmedicalism
because transmedicalism is a Bad Word!
.
Anyway, always call trans people "women" and "men"
even if you don't know,
because it's (trans)misogyny
to call (trans) women people.
.
(It's also "general transphobia" to call trans men people,
but also if they're upset about it
it's just fragile toxic masculinity,
and really everyone should be okay being perceived
as feminine and as women,
because why would anyone choose to be a MAN anyway?)
.
A bunch of radfems
with all the gender essentialism that goes with it,
that simply decided that women were the one with penises,
but that testosterone is still evil,
never mind non-transitioning and post-op trans women.
.
Insert required disclaimer:
Y'all are doing this, regardless of gender.
If you think calling out how you mistreat:
trans women, trans men, and nonbinary people,
is blaming trans women,
I think maybe you're desperately avoiding the conversation.
.
Anyway, I don't want to be visible,
on trans day of visibility,
because visibility without acceptance
just begets violence.
#poetry#my poetry#trans day of visibility#trans#if you think you know my agab no you don't#and if you don't like this poem then do us both a favor and block me#I know posting this on tumblr dot hell will probably invite harassment#bc so many of y'all are like 'how dare you talk about having a different bad experience than me in your own house'#if it bothers you get off my blog! jesus!#(the above are necessary disclaimers. they cut down on harassment by like 80 percent fr)#anyway ah yes harassing a disabled trans person for sharing a poem with faer couple hundred followers on tdov is activism#congrats sweetie you did an activism here's a brown star for the shitty job of it
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wait ok this whole DEEPLY transmisogynistic discourse has been infuriating but I’m actually LIVID about the fucker saying it isn’t sexual harassment w the “suck you through your jorts” joke. Bc the thing about sexual “jokes” (the things these people have been saying aren’t…really jokes but I’ll call them that for the sake of the argument) is that if you make a sexual joke and someone goes “hey actually I’m not cool with that” you?? Stop saying it. Like…deadass I am so confused about how continuing to make sexual comments at someone when they’ve explicitly said they do not consent WOULDNT be sexual harassment. Like?? That’s…the definition. I know there’s no use in trying to apply logic to these deeply illogical statements but I am just FLABBERGASTED. Anyways sorry ur dealing with this, you and every trans woman going thru this is my sister and I seriously, genuinely and wholeheartedly appreciate you for the amount your blog has taught me abt how to be a better ally to trans women and just…people in general. Hope these dumbasses all shut up soon 🫡
Yeah the doubling down has been the wildest part to me. If someone spammed a sexually harassing anon message purporting to speak for me to people I disagree with, I’d disavow it completely. It makes the misogyny inherent in that incident so apparent because just like any woman who’s been sexually harassed, we’re being treated as overreacting hysterical bitches
Anyway thank you for your message of solidarity! It means so much to me that my blog has helped!
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Being a millennial trans-masculine person is wild.
Like, I have spent the majority of my life being perceived as a girl or young woman. I have been affected by systematic misogyny. I cut my teeth on it and grew to oppose it. I leaned into everything that brought me joy society told me was “wrong” for me to like - being covered in mud, math, rough housing, being loud, being assertive.
I wore the word “bitch” like it was a crown, because every fucker who hurled it at me was basically saying “I cannot break you and I hate it”.
So imagine my shock when I finally found words and help to make my body into a home (not some place I was forced to reside, to try and decorate the hostile walls best I could) AND now it’s the queer community slinging mud at me for being masculine.
I have been told my medication is “poison” by cis and trans people. I have been told to sit down, shut up and let the unprivileged speak. (You know a whole 3 months on hormones when I was beating my head against the wall because my legal name was still my deadname and I was tired from trying to get the majority of society to use my actual name and pronouns.) I have now been told my struggle with bottom dysphoria sounds like a prank from a trans support space volunteer.
It’s funny to me that now, in trans spaces, my body is the measuring stick. The one you can make jokes about. The one you can compare, insult, belittle, treat like a curiosity. Once again, my pronouns (he/him) don’t always need to be respected. Once again, my emotions are not valid.
Geeeee why does this all feel so familiar????
Fuck that. My gender is rebellion. The way I express it has changed, because the way society perceives me has (thankfully) changed. Masculine people being kind, patient, soft and affectionate is often seen as “less than” and GUESS WHAT I am all those things too.
Part of being kind is calling people on their shit. You cannot do this to people and not expect some of them to break. I openly weep for the cis men I know because at least I had a childhood of being told my emotions were valid before having to deal with this. I cannot imagine how hard it must have been to weather this without that. No wonder so many of you came to me crying one night. You told me people say they care and then turn around and hurt you for having emotions. Honestly, how are so many of you still here???
Like I am having a day trying to cope with this, and I am good at surviving shit. Right now, the kindest thing I can think of doing is giving myself space to process this and figure out how to talk about it without screaming.
I don’t have the privilege of yelling when people hurt me anymore. I might be scary.
#transmisandry#trans misandry#trans masc#ftm#queer community#lgbtq#Little tired of this shit tbh#Like I just want to be a big ol softie and enjoy life#Go yell at people abusing people#Instead of trying act like me liking the color blue is personally hurting you and ruining society#Stop trying to tell me the only good parts of me are the feminine ones#Shout out to butch lesbians#Y'all are rock stars and get it#like seriously#Butch lesbians have been so kind to me everytime I talk about this and I hope one day I have the chance to repay that#All I wanted to do today was try to cope with bottom dysphoria y'all#Now I guess it's time to address this
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hi there! No need to answer this publicly if you don’t want to- but last anon here and to clarify some things (sorry if I came off ruder than intended I was having a bad day lol) I think it’s in fact always a good thing for women to mad or mean to their oppressors. However before looking into radblr my main experience with people calling themselves “gender critical” was honestly a lot of straight women who don’t really care about feminism beyond hating trans people, and a lot of those peoples focuses on appearances really bothered me. Namely a lot of the transvestigators types because they would pretty comfortably throw the baby out with the bathwater and accuse gnc women of being men just for not being super feminine, especially having facial hair or a lot of body hair which pissed me off. And the attitude of calling trans men/especially detrans people mutilated always upset me deeply because while if a detrans person wants to talk about their own experiences and trauma from what happened to them that way, it feels deeply cruel to tell women who have already been through a lot and still have to live their lives that their bodies are mutilated and they’ll never be accepted as women again. But you are very right, and though it is scary I do think it’s important to start standing up to the blatant misogyny within the trans community if I’m going to continue being a part of it. Have a nice day :)
Oh yeah, the Posie Parker types 🙃 There are a lot of them on twitter.
(and no, you did not come off as rude at all :))
And these people are not gender critical, because they don't criticise the social construct of gender. Like saying that hairy women are not biologically female - THATS THE VERY THING FEMINISM HAS FOUGHT AGAINST!!! Women are hairy mammals and that's cool. They can be as wooly as a wooly mammoth and still be women. Women can look literally any way they want to. Some have certain body parts, some don't. The only thing that unites them is that they are biologically female.
(also, they are locking trans people in their positions - imagine you are a person who decides to transition because of your dysphoria, you want to educate yourself on feminist and gender critical ideas, and then people come at you and tell you that you're mutilated and a freak??? you are going to turn back to trans misogynists like Jessie Gender or Philosophy Tube, because they at least dont tell you that you are an abhorration)
And I think that you can stand up against the misogyny. I am trying to do it, and I'm really getting better. Telling men when they are interrupting me, telling men who called me on the street to "shut up" (it was a safe area), telling men to not say "bitch", etc. It's always such a great feeling 😊 you should be looking out for your safety though <3
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My current belief system (always subject to change) in case anyone found my blog and is wondering:
I am not a libfem
- I don’t find centering men in my feminism as empowering (ex: it is a myth that men’s mental health isn’t taken seriously while women’s is. When has women’s mental health ever been taken seriously??? We should be able to label our oppressors as men without being labeled as bigoted generalizers, as any other oppressed group is able to label their oppressors).
- Plastic surgery, makeup, and shaving are absolutely not empowering and I truly don’t believe there is any woman out there who truly deeply believes that these are simply personal choices that you would make regardless of social influence. In fact, certain plastic surgeries being considered as gender-affirming care is extremely misogynistic (ex: if you are on estrogen and grow breasts, but you’re unhappy that they are smaller than you want them to be - that is a symptom of misogyny & insurance should not be covering additional breast implants under gender-affirming care, thus enforcing the idea that something like breast size makes a woman).
- Sex-based oppression is VERY real. Thus, spaces for afab people should exist in addition to spaces for all women because of this & afab imagery is empowering to afab women and should not be shamed or called trans-exclusive - it is for the purpose of empowering afab people. Who are oppressed.
- Gender abolition is the goal. Gender has been constructed for the purpose of oppressing women, and has been clearly show to be used as a tool of oppression against trans people as well. Additionally, considering gender is constructed, it is perfectly valid for some to experience attraction based on sex vs gender.
- Gender-neutral language can sometimes borderline on offensive (but usually not as bad as radfems make it out to be). Additionally a woman’s issue can still affect people who are not women (ex: abortion access IS a woman’s issue [affects women mostly and is an issue of discussion only because it’s used as a tool to oppress women], but also affects trans men/enbies). If you would not say that poverty & underfunded schools are faced by the Black community just because there are also white people who face poverty, do not try to say that calling issues like abortion women’s issues is a problem.
- Misogyny against straight women/cis women/white women/etc. is still misogyny. While intersectionality increases the burden of oppressions, misogyny is still a very VERY real oppression that is often not even labeled - it’s just seen as part of living in this world as a woman (ex: rape, sexual harassment, and stalking are often not considered hate crimes; cunt, bitch, and slut aren’t considered slurs by the general public).
I am not a radfem
- There is literally no reason to misgender or deadname trans people. I cannot ever read posts on this site with purposeful misgendering without believing it is in bad faith (I don’t consider sex-based terminology as misgendering [it is perfectly okay for someone to have female/male biology but identify as a man/woman], but I ascribe to afab/amab terminology since it seems so be more affirming/less dysphoria-triggering to the trans community).
- Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are non-binary. While it is completely fine for you to base your gender off your sex [ex: I am a woman because I am an adult human female], it is not okay to act as if everyone’s gender needs to be determined that way. This is a major flaw of radfem ideology - if gender is a social construct, why would people be forced into a gender identity based on their sex??? Makes no sense.
- Queer is a good, empowering term. Anything can be used as a slur, doesn’t mean people can’t identify with it. I ascribe to the belief that slur reclamation greatly decreases a slur’s power. It is perfectly okay for people to not want to put their sexualities/genders into very neat boxes. Who cares if you could get a more specific understanding of someone’s sexuality with a gay/bi label?? Why is it any of your business to get a specific reading of someone’s sexuality?
- Trying to insinuate that you know someone’s sex based on shit like their facial features is embarrassing as fuck and incredibly misogynistic. I can’t imagine the embarrassment of being anti-patriarchy to only go to a cis woman and claim they’re trans because you think their shoulders are too broad or something lmao. Or, in the case of trans women, claim you know they’re trans because of *insert feature that many cis women also have here.*
My main interest: bringing communication and building relationships between the feminist & trans rights movements. Both of these groups are fighting their own oppression and I genuinely believe that they misunderstand each other’s concerns, goals, and experiences. I think that we are stronger together and as oppressed groups, we are not each other’s enemies. We can work together to stand up to the patriarchy, without dismissing the trans experience, and stand up to the gender binary, without excluding the afab woman experience. But as oppressed groups, we need to listen to each other. Lateral oppression is not, has never been, and never will be cute. ***For this reason, you will not see me tagging posts as “radfems dni” or “tras dni” or any variance of the two. People need to be able to interact and understand each other’s thoughts and concerns to be able to bridge this gap. I will not tolerate bad-faith conversation, however.
#always feel free to ask me questions#or if you disagree with a take of mine I am always down for civil good faith discussion and am very open to changing my mind#feminist#feminism#trans rights
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Genuinely, people are so weird about bottoms, especially fem bottoms. The rhetoric that we're all evil manipulators who only see tops as living sex toys has become so prominent in certain queer circles, and I don't know if it's homophobia, misogyny, or a mix of the two.
I am letting a man who could beat me to death put his cock in me. I am quite literally putting my life in a top's hands when we fuck. Most tops I've met could snap my neck like a twig. I am at my most vulnerable when I'm bottoming. I promise you, I am not the one with the power in this relationship. A good top will listen when I say no, of course, but they could always choose not to, and I would be fucking powerless to stop them.
Maybe that's not true of all bottoms, but for smaller men like me, especially smaller trans men like me, engaging with other gay men can be terrifying, and rhetoric that paints us in a negative light only makes it more likely that I'm going to be abused. If tops think we're all bitches who need to be put in our place, we are going to suffer. We are going to die.
Stop pitting tops against us, for fuck's sake. These are supposed to be our partners. We are supposed to be able to trust one another. I shouldn't have to live in fear of a top abusing me because he was told that I, as a bottom, am a shitty person.
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Interesting but yet again Hob was a slave owner and that is the most popular ship. Also I think what they could do with Thessaly is either
Showing that her views were informed by others and her time and while she herself accepts trans people, she thought the Moon wouldn't and so the magic wouldn't work because that's what she was taught and then when she was proven wrong she happily accepted it.
Or she is a transphobic person after having dated Morpheus aka he dated her more than a hundred years ago, at that time she didn't have any views on trans people and now she has and Morpheus thoroughly disagrees and would not date her now that she is transphobic.
Yeah so I actually did consider both these things when I responded but I wanted to answer fairly quickly and the Hob stuff becomes a whole mess of fandom critical analysis that I didn't particularly feel like touching on...
Yes Hob was a slave owner. Yes Thessaly is a TERF. Yes the fandom does to an extent excuse Hob of his past, whereas the fandom is particularly harsh on Thessaly. There are all manner of reasons why this is, from misogyny, racism, mlm preferences among most fandoms to het ships, but also I think the show downplays Hob's involvement with the slave trade quite a lot compared to the comic. Full Disclosure: I don't ship comic!Hob and comic!Dream because comic!Hob is an asshole - he's just not likeable. Ever. Even in modern times. Where the show implies that he was only just getting involved with the slave trade in the late 1700s from a fairly distant and business oriented perspective, the comic makes it clear that Hob was proud and bragging about having been heavily involved in the start of the slave trade and had a far more direct involvement in it. Comic!Hob may carry more obvious guilt around, and his dating Gwen at the end I believe was an attempt to say "look! He's not a racist NOW" but I always found it kinda skeevy that he was dating a black woman without telling her the full extent of his past and therefore not giving her a chance to fully understand who she was involving herself with.
To at least attempt to give Hob the benefit of the doubt, the show and the comic both do attempt to make it clear that he has changed and regrets his past actions. He was a slaver, but he is not a slaver now. He did terrible things in the past but not the present. This is not excusing him for his past, but in comparison with Thessaly, Thessaly has not once at all ever shown remorse or guilt or regret for any of her actions, and is just as much of a murderous transphobic bitch in her last scene as she was in her first scene.
I also wondered about changing it up so Thessaly is unsure of the magic, and rather than outright believing in it, she could be concerned for Wanda's safety. If the moon road can only be walked by women, then Thessaly could be unsure if Wanda could join them safely, without being hurt, because the magic itself is archaic and restrictive (the same type of magic that bound Calliope to Erasmus Fry) rather than her actually believing that Wanda isn't a woman, she is unsure if the magic will accept her as a woman, and as you say, is then proved wrong to her own relief.
There are certainly plenty of ways they could explore Thessaly's role. I am very curious to see what they come up with. I just really don't want Morpheus to date an obviously transphobic Thessaly in the story. If it was a past failed relationship instead then sure, that'll work, making room for Johanna to be the one who breaks his heart triggering the Brief Lives arc (because I am still all about my Morphanna ship in canon lol) but whatever they do, they must tread carefully and make appropriate changes, because I stand by my belief that a straight adaptation of this particular character and her involvement with Morpheus in the comic would be a bad decision.
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hi this is kinda random but i just wanted to share my piece on this and i’ve seen you talk about it before so i thought this would be a good place. i’ve been seeing so much blatant misogyny and ageism around here lately and it’s really taken a toll on me. like no matter how much you try to justify it as a moral thing, if you spend your days calling olivia wilde a cunt, narcissistic asshole, bitch, and talking shit about her age you ARE being misogynist. you’re not obligated to like her. i personally am not the biggest olivia wilde fan. a little background story, i was obsessed with booksmart when it came out, so as we often do with micro obsessions i deep dived into all things involving the movie, and that of course included olivia. i watched all the press interviews, read all the print ones, and i thought she was awesome. but as a trans lesbian, i always tend to search for celebrities’ stances on those issues before i start to actively support them and their work. not because i want or need celebrities to be activists, i just need to know they’re not assholes about things that are important to me. and that was when i found olivia’s comments about considering considered “a soft kind of lesbian relationship, just gentle kissing and scissoring” when she was lonely after the end of her first marriage, and not using too much make up because she can easily “go tranny” and the overall brand of trans-exclusionary and overly simplistic white feminism she stands for, and that of course was really hurtful and disappointing to me at the time. but still, i will NEVER ever sit around calling her names and talk about her with so much vitriol like most people around here do while intentionally digging up things from her past to try and make that behaviour somehow justifiable because people don’t want to admit how misogynistic and hateful they really are. but just an fyi, we can see right through it and not only is your deep rooted hatred for women crystal clear, but this rage against beards also makes you look str*ight lmao
Hello nonny!! As you may or may not know I'm a big fan of tea and this is like a steaming pot of Yorkshire Gold, so thank you♡
I know that posting this might upset some friends and mutuals, but i think everything you've said is so important and should be heard. I love everyone i follow, even if i don't agree with their stances on everything, and am not shy about having direct conversations about a thing that bothers me instead of indirecting folks or sending anons, so hopefully anyone who disagrees here will do the same.
I think in particular i really feel you on talking about Olivia's particular brand of white feminism, in large part bc it's one of the more common reasons given by people talking about how much they hate her. Your statements are accurate; she has said some things that lead me to mistrust her politically and that feel very deeply entrenched in cis white privilege. She also seems to vibe pretty hard with a lot of pretentious white male auteurs (she recently reposted stuff about John Cassavetes, for example), and in my experience i just. Don't gel with people who do that.
HOWEVER the thing that always gets me is that Harry presents some of the very same white feminist tendencies, albeit, frankly, worse than Olivia? I love him, but he repeats earnest yet empty platitudes about not letting anyone tell you what to do with your body and donates $. It's nothing award worthy, and although i do appreciate that he wants to be careful what he puts his voice behind, it means that he actually says/boosts very little.
I know people dismiss it as performative activism, but i do actually think that celebrities sharing links to resources can be really helpful. Just to use the most current thing that comes to mind, Harry sharing a link to abortion funds (as Olivia did) would've gotten a message about their existence to a lot of people. A message of support isn't nothing, but it's certainly not evidence of top tier feminism.
I think if i saw more critique of Harry's (or any 1D member's) politics from the "i hate her for her white feminism" crowd, i would feel differently. But as it is, it appears that women are held to a high standard while men get the bar set on the ground and a medal if they trip over it 😬
Also, I wish more people understood that you don't actually have to give reasons for disliking someone! Olivia doesn't have to be a narcissist or have terrible politics for you to hate her. It's fine to just... Not like her. And then maybe not talk about her? Not joke about her violent death. Not make fun of the way she looks (she's ugly because she's a bad person/she's way too old to wear/do that thing so I'm gonna laugh at her).
Set misogyny aside for a second if you've got to-- it's just a horrible way to behave toward anyone, and the target (Olivia) is too distant to be hit by the negativity anyway. Instead those comments can end up hurting the people who read them and making them self conscious. For what?
It's not a popular opinion, but i personally view the beards in a generally positive way at the moment. I choose to believe that Harry and Louis have talked through what they want and made some decisions about how to handle their images. This isn't 2014/15 anymore, and the young men who I think did very much want to come out back then are in massively different places in their careers. There's no road map for an ex-boybander coming out and being successful. There are very few examples of successful solo artists who came out early in their careers and continued to find success afterwards. Harry and Louis are navigating an extremely difficult path, whether they're working toward coming out or not. I don't envy that aspect of their lives.
I think it's likely that the women who Harry and Louis are seen with were chosen (by them!) for reasons that i can't or won't be able to see/understand right now. And as I've said before, there is literally no woman in existence who could be liked as a beard in this fandom. No set of behaviors will lead to people not critiquing these women, and that's evidenced by searching tags on some of the blogs who talk loudest about the beards. (Spoiler alert: not one of them has been palatable if she stuck around for more than a couple days!)
And that's the real sign to me that unfortunately this is misogyny at work. If you can name more women associated with 1D who you hate/dislike than women associated with 1D you do like, why is that? How do you feel about it? Is that reflected in your other social circles or interests? Jamila Jameel asked a similar question on her Instagram a few years back and absolutely changed my perspective on misogyny. Would love it if that could happen throughout this fandom.
#long post#1d#on fandom#i don't wanna tag this as discourse but that's probably what it is#fandom misogyny#stunt mention#bearding#it's ok if you wanna unfollow me for this folks i know it feels bad to read critique that feels pointed#but pls know this isn't directed at a single blog/blogs#it's something pervasive in this fandom that has bothered me more and more over the years#also bc i feel like it'll happen: you are welcome to call me a white feminist-- i am white and a feminist and#i do not consider my feminism above criticism#i do my best to think about intersectionality and to de-center myself when it comes to politics#but i also know i don't succeed sometimes so. yeah. absolutely ready for that criticism here
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Its not hate nowhere did I say all trans ppl I just said that ya'll are ignoring blatant misogyny and discrimination. I'm sorry you hate yourself so much you've internalized that hate and decided you're not like other women. Get better soon and stop being homophobic, Youre not a faggot. You're a larping straight woman.
How am I homophobic when I'm literally gay? U got brain worms bitch
#100$ says anon stinks#sorry I'm a trans faggot who loves being a faggot#tw transphobia#should i start a tag for anon hate or
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Talked about the consequences of gender non conformity in my women's studies class today. I was the only trans person there. The only not cis femme woman in my group.
It fucked me up. I still. I'm shaken and so depressed. It was a civil conversation but it took so much for me to direct them away from like a cis woman being called a bitch for having confidence (which is a important conversation) into like the fact that trans and gnc people fear for our lives on a regular basis.
Even after i brought it up, the person in my group who was writing it down wrote "WOMEN- physical and sexual assault". And only after I correct her she put men too in tiny parenthesis in the corner.
My fucking professor when I mentioned that you don't hear about violence against butch women as much as fem men, she took that to mean it wasn't happening!! IN A WOMENS STUDIES COARSE
I just NEED cis people to know that when you try to say not fitting into their gender box is soooooo different based on what gender box your not fitting into. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS MAKING ANOTHER GENDER BOX.
The conversation on how misogyny and transmisogyny influence the way people are treated. The invisibility of transmascs vs. The hyper visibility of transfemmes. The erasure of unaligned non binary ppl. These are all very important conversations. But it seems like only other trans people are listening and it's infuriating
The whole discussion just highlighted for me how invisible I am. How invisible our issues are to ppl outside our community. They don't know more of our family dies every year, they don't think about that everytime they have to choose what bathroom to go into. It's not even a second thought for them.
#i did actually tear up in class#it just.#i feel like that conversation was much more personal and emotional for me to have than anyone else at least in my group#and i was the only one who even thought about that for even a second#ezra talks#no one read this#i was all over the map here
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A Little HP Discussion
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Hello! I’m the anon from @/queer-distasters HP discussion. I wanted to respond to your statements/questions without clogging up Nico’s notifs and making him uncomfortable. For clarity and transparency, as I simply want to discuss this and not argue with you (or anyone else), I’ll copy&paste your reblog below the cut and go from there.
Also anon, bear in mind that The British Bitch isn't just transphobic. She's racist toward indigenous peoples of all places, Asians, Jews, and probably more but those all come to mind JUST FROM HER HELLA POPULAR BOOKS. She has set back ALL queer people's rights, ESPECIALLY in the UK which is a clusterfuck when it comes to queer and especially trans rights and general respect. She is fatphobic. She is misogynistic. She is also a misandrist (yes she's very obviously both)
To boil it down, any hateful or divisive stance she comes across, she seems to immediately absorb into her personality.
So here's my question for anon and anyone else who supports(...shit what's her name again?):
Do you really think interacting with her or anything she has written isn't subconsciously filling you with prejudice? And if you don't, maybe practice introspection
So, firstly, I’m very aware of her issues. The books themselves are full of misogynistic and misandrist under-toning, stereotypes and themes, there’s the frikking Dumbledoof Gay situation (don’t even get me started /hj ), the goblins, the house elves and the SPEW gag. That’s just within the main series itself (and a few tweets, of course), if I’m not mistaken.
Those, of course, are only a handful of the many, many issues, as you’re clearly aware (props on being so educated on the matter, btw /gen.)
Now, to make it very, very clear: I do not support J.K.R. I don’t like her, I like what she’s chosen to do with her platform, I don’t like all the bullshit she put in the Harry Potter series (misogyny, misandry, racism, fatphobia, etc.) or the bullshit she pushes. I don’t buy merch anymore--the last thing I bought was some chocolate a year or so ago--and I don’t even stream the movies. The new game is abhorrent and blatantly racist, and I will shout that from the rooftops if I have to. JKR, to put it plainly, is a shit human being. She is.
I do not support her or anything she stands for--I am a nonbinary bi-abrosexual woman and a feminist. I am exactly the kind of person JKR says doesn’t exist, exactly the kind of person JKR would argue doesn’t deserve to feel safe or respected (also: fuck you, Forstater). From one not-cis person to another (I don’t want to assume what broad terms you’re comfortable with here): I get it. I hate her. I wish she wasn’t the author of one of my childhood self’s favorite franchises and I wish I could support her in good faith, I do, because I loved that series, still love a lot of parts of it, but the fact of the matter is she doesn’t deserve it and what the hell kind of person would I be if I consciously supported someone who hates my very fucking existence?
(Note: I do not mean the aggression toward you.)
But, with that out of the way: Your question. It caught me off guard because on the one hand, you have a point, but on the other not quite.
Firstly, I’d like to state very plainly that I practice introspection regularly. I’m an author and I try to stay up to date on politics, so I’m always confronting things I didn’t know were issues one way or another (emotionally, politically, personally, globally, take your pick), and figuring out where I stand in regards to those issues. I was raised in a fairly standard household, with fairly standard gender roles. Thankfully, I got into the “feminist scene” so to speak fairly early on, so I got a sort of headstart on unlearning things. There are certain prejudices regarding gender especially that I’m still working on kicking out, I’ll admit that. I gained those prejudices in the first place due to the environment I was raised in and the media I was exposed to. Some of that was the Harry Potter movies, yes, some of it was Disney movies and some of it was my own family. I recognize these things and I’m actively unlearning them.
Secondly: no, I’m very very certain that reading the Harry Potter books aren’t filling me with prejudice. I started reading them as a nonbinary raging feminist and, 6.5 books later, I’m still a nonbinary raging feminist. I’ve actually learned more since I started reading them because I’ve been searching online for other people’s opinions on the issues in the books and within the HP fandom, and I’ve been able to use the books as reference for examples of “shitty takes” within fiction (just put HP right next to all the other ones /hj ). I’m actually working on a video essay series on all the issues with Harry Potter--both the bigotry and political issues and the writing issues--and its fandom. I’m not one to be easily influenced by media and I’m very conscious of my thought processes and patterns. I know that goblins are often used as an anti-semetic metaphor for Jewish people and that traditional uses of goblin tropes can be hurtful (often are hurtful). But I didn’t know that until after I started reading HP because I started getting involved in what fans/non-fans had to say about it. I never made the connection of goblins=Jews (which, of course, isn’t actually true, but stereotypes and racism) until I entered the conversation about it. My point being: consuming media that has a lot of issues can actually be more beneficial than completely avoiding it (for some people, not everyone, of course! Don’t read something you know might actually hurt you and please don’t give your money to shitty people if you can help).
Now, of course, I am an adult. I have pretty well developed critical thinking skills, so I know how to traverse difficult situations and topics (usually... there are some things that I don’t know how to talk about, yet, but I’ll get there). I went into the HP books aware of (most of) their issues and on the lookout for them. When I was a child, I was in no such frame of mind, nor did I have the mental capacity that I do now. It probably would have been different if I’d read HP as a child--I probably would have absorbed more because I was young and in awe of, what I thought was, an amazing story and an Amazing Author (which... HP set a precedent for children’s coming of age fantasy, but it wasn’t... it’s not made of gold in any sense is what I’m saying but you know that already).
Alright, I think I’ve covered everything for now! :D Again, I do not intend to seem aggressive toward you or anyone who is... would “anti-HP” be the term? I don’t want to seem aggressive, and I apologize if I came off that way. I also don’t intend to start some sort of flame-war or something. I only want to have a nuanced discussion with an educated individual. /gen.
(oh, and the OG thread.)
#just...#/genuine#all the way around#Harry Potter#HP discourse#anti-jkr#anti-hp sentiments#which is fine#ask to tag
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the whole point of transandrophobia is MEN experience MISOGYNY. Queen TERF joann wrote a whole manifesto on how trans men are just confused/crazy women who need to be saved with radical feminism. Transphobia ✅ Misogny ✅
but “men don’t experience misogyny,” and this isn’t transmisogyny even tho it checks both boxes because ??? girls only ???
The problem with transandrophobia are the people who think cis men aren’t oppressed by patriarchy. The entire point of discussing oppression in terms of systems or matrices is to direct attention to the policies, social anxieties, etc. that actually cause prejudices and bigotry to go unchecked. “Men aren’t oppressed” >> “Men are oppressors” Do you see how that is essentialist and TERFy?
The problem is this TERF rhetoric seeping into trans feminist spaces. The problem is people assuming the most logical root word is indicative of something that goes against the TERF rhetoric they’ve already ingrained. The problem is this requires them to unlearn and admit they were wrong. The problem is you.
the problem is ME? i literally agree with u. I've been saying that all day. sorry the original post implied i meant that only trans women experience an intersection of transphobia and misogyny, you're right that that's not accurate. the issue i take with the term transandrophobia is that it carries the implication that trans men specific experiences of transphobia occur because they are men, when the actual cause is that it occurs because society percieves them as women (to be clear what i mean isn't about whether individual trans men pass or not, just that the structures in society differentiating between how to treat men and women percieve the idea of trans men as a whole as part of the woman category)
yes, it's a subtle difference, but i believe it's worth pointing out because if we are going to work towards eradicating the root motivation behind that transphobia we have to name it for what it is, and its not any iteration of androphobia or misandry, it's misogyny. trans women and men experience that misogyny in different ways, because for trans women its a matter of society not wanting to allow them to enter into womanhood & for trans men its society not wanting to allow them to exit womanhood, but in both cases it is misogyny and the rigid ideas society has about how it wants to allow people to interact with the concept of womanhood. whether that means using transmisogyny to refer to both trans men and trans women, or naming something else entirely is a discussion that continues to be had in the trans community.
YES i am aware this IS semantics. but its not just me bitching over root words for no reason. even if We can agree that to use transandrophobia is to actually refer to the intersection of misogyny and transphobia that trans men experience, a huge portion of the population who uses the term transandrophobia are not using it to refer to that, theyre genuinely under the impression that the transphobia they experience IS due to them being men, when like we said above, it's really due to them being percieved as women.
you say that the point of discussing oppression in terms of systems is to direct attention to the social ideologies that cause that prejudice, and I'm saying that i agree, and that the term transandrophobia is not successfully accomplishing that. we can't just write off how many people use it for their belief that their oppression is caused by them being men. we can't just say that well they don't count because they aren't using it right when they're being as vocal as they are about their incorrect stance and affecting the rest of the community when we have to endure it.
i have never once said that men aren't oppressed, it's that they aren't oppressed FOR BEING MEN. the oppression men experience is due to the other identities they carry that are maginalized. and, sometimes the fact that they are men will cause the way they experience their other marginalized identities appear differently to how the women of that identity are treated. some of those differences might even seem like its worse than how the women are treated, especially when you look at statistics about violence at the hands of other oppressive classes. but there will also be differences in which the women are treated worse. and within the vacuum of just that marginalized identity, the men will be prioritized above the women.
yet society doesn't exist in a vacuum! so everyone is constantly experiencing overlapping prejudices and privileges all at once! but that doesn't mean that we should suddenly throw away all discussions of the privileges men, as a class, have over women, as a class. and in most cases, no, its not men who necessarily are the oppressors, its the structure itself placing men above women that is responsible for the oppression. but "the structure" isnt some nebulous indefinable thing, its the policies and ideologies held up by the culture, and those are determined within the government and the figures of authority within that government making those decisions, are men! or they're women whose ideology has been so shaped by the patriarchal society they were socialized in that they play a role in holding up that structure intentionally.
we can talk in circles about these concepts all day but my ultimate point is that you can say a word means whatever you want and it'd be ideal if everyone agreed, but that doesn't mean anything when the practical, concrete examples of its usage contradict what you say it is supposed to refer to. even if you say that transandrophobia is about misogyny and not actual androphobia, there will still be loud outspoken people who use the term transandrophobia complaining about how their mistreatment is the result of being men, and then extrapolate that into a belief that because men like them have struggles and prejudices against them, that somehow negates all other aspects of privileges that all other men (beating a dead horse at this point but: Men As A Class) have.
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