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#there is an INTERNAL struggle and it isnt even like. internalized homophobia.
technicalthinker · 28 days
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ok so I was already going through it after the preview but the ep doubled down and continued to explore buck's feelings in a way that was so surreal how messy and relatable and real it was. the way it portrayed his first gay dating experience as a bi adult: the nervousness and the overthinking and self-criticism and identity crisis and just mess that can come with it.
He is on-guard and ultra-aware. He is analyzing not just his surroundings but himself. He lies and hates it. He avoids telling Maddie, makes an effort of not saying it's a guy he dated, but when confronted he tries to downplay it: "Could be very much the point" VS "It shouldn't be though right". Because Buck knows that liking a guy isn't a big deal and should be normal etc but he feels and acts like a mess?? So he feels like a fraud. There are too many thoughts about expectations that clouds his thoughts. "I dont think you're a fraud, i just think that maybe you're not sure of your own feelings yet" Maddie says and it helps. The moment when Eddie makes that comment about him being single and he gets that distant look in his eyes and realizes this is the moment of no return as he embraces the words that he has been afraid to say out loud. The way the tension starts to loosen once it has been said, the way he can breathe. Buck deciding at the end to just allow himself to be and let himself crush on Tommy and see where that takes them, because he knows he likes Tommy, and that's enough.
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pastadoughie · 5 months
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i am literally begging people to stop putting sexism and transphobia on my dashboard please fucking think critically abt ur internal biases for 5 secconds and please accept even an ounce of critisism without assuming that someone is attacking you unfairly
alot of you have extremely sexist beliefs that you dont recognize because within social media as a whole these are incredibly normalized, covering blatent homophobia and misandry in tumblr buzzwords doesnt make you not sexist it just lets you be sexist and homophobic and transphobic in a way that is socially acceptable and incouraged within a queer centric space
i keep seeing posts talking abt how people actively like artwork (writing, photography, drawings) more when they find out its of a butch lesbian and not just a dude, and like, if your opinion on a peice of media can change solely based on the gender of the person being depicted by it, with zero change to the character, then that implies an inharent bias against men like, just because its men doesnt mean it isnt sexism
same thing where people think that media depicting gay men is better when it explicitly isnt written by a gay man, like that implies a fundimental disrespect of the work based on the sexuality and gender of the author. if you like an artwork but then you find out its written by a trans women, and all of a sudden you think its garbage, you are transphobic, but when people try to point this same bias out for the works of queer men this is largely written off.
i know ppl will argue abt punching up and whatnot, and while i do in some ways agree with that overall sentiment, i think that we should be striving to uh, not be sexist at all, rather then just being misandrists instead of mysogenists, like, if you only care about sexism when it hurts women/women ajacent people then you dont actually hate sexism you just want it to harm a different group of people, you dont hate the system you just want to be ontop of it and benifit from it
misandry and mysogeny present in different ways, they arent a directly comparable thing, different people have things worse in different ways so its rlly hard to take a group and say "this group has it worse", like yes generalizations like that can help in an extremely broad sense, but the world is not black and white and this kind of shit is mindnumbingly complex, trying to act like there is some kind of objective scoreing system for who is more oppressed then who is just unproductive and harmful
and moreover, someone having it worse then you doesnt make you less deserving of trying to make your situation better, i dont experience racism and in many many many ways i have it easier then poc people, that does not make me undeserving of support and that doesnt make me complaining or trying to better my situation unreasonable
we can care abt the lives and want to better the situation of different groups simoltaniously, we dont have to stop caring about racism because we want to better transphobia
i get that transwomen have it rlly bad and i do not experience the exact same struggles as them, and therefore cant comment on alot of them, but so often i see erasure of queer men in order to give more focus to transwomen, and just because trans girls go through alot of shit doesnt make that ok
one thing that people have to recognize about misandry and specifically transmisandry that you dont really have to see as much with its mysogeny counterparts is that they have far more attention and people care far more about activism for queer women/women in general, queer mens experience and specifically the transmasc experience is very very very often erased and written off even by supposedly trans friendly and queer sorces, people care more about butch lesbians then they do trans men dispite the insane ammount of overlap between the two groups, when researching about historical butch lesbians alot of them are just, trans guys that people are misgendering and mislabeling as butch lesbians because ooooo woemennnnn
being transmasc myself i can say that like, the erasure of trans men is an extremely large issue, for large swaths of history the experiences of trans people arent paid attention to at all, and even looking at media coverage today, if people are going to talk abt transgenderism they are talking about it specifically under the lens of trans women
this is largely because misandry (specifically, people thinking that having cock and ball makese u somehow predatory) makes trans women an easier punching bag, trans women get more attention because they are easier for radfems (misandrists) to be bigoted against in a more violent way, if you assume all men and amab people are violent and predatory by nature then this makes justifying violence against trans women easier
and yea being a punching bag for the media is fucking hard but it does mean that activism for that group is much much much louder, more people are complaining about trans women so more people know abt the specific issues they face
but dispite trans men yaknow, also existing and recieving a shit ton of transphobia and erasure over history they dont get talked about as much, people hate us and are violent twards us but we dont nessasarily get the same outrage for our treatment
trans men are just as often get the dismissal for being women, and the outrage for being men as trans women do we just dont get as much support and thats really difficult! often people seek to treat transmasculinism as some kind of new thing like, i get the comment often that "usually its boys that wanna be girls" and its like, no. its not. its simply that people care less about us
i think that its really easy to misenterpret me here so im gonna just get this out of the way, i dont think that women have it easier then men in a broad socital sense, but also, i dont nessasarily believe that means that my complaints are invalid, being a queer woman is not a walk in the park, and neither is being a queer man, and both groups experience homophobia transphobia and sexism in different ways, so acting as if saying one is objectively worse then the other is unfair and reductive
i think that if we want to get anywhere in regards to making it easier to be trans then we need to talk about all queer experiences, you cant just, only care about trans women you have to care about all trans people, and moreover queer people in general, this means you HAVE to be vigilant about people wrapping up sexism in a tumblr buzzword packadge, you need to consume things critically and you are not immune to pipelines, people dont just wake up and become radfems you get continually fed more and more extreme idologies, being fed things that you 90% agree with untill you eventually become completely removed from the groups you were supposed to stand with
you can care about the oppression of multiple groups at once, and if you think activism in any way involves the erasure of a certain group then you have fundimentally misunderstood what youre supposed to be doing, queer men exist and they deserve support and respect and you need to be able to support and respect them without being like "ohh she is soooooo trransfemme coded" like. men can be queer and still be men, they can be queer and still deserve your love and support, i am begging.
also yes i am aware that outside of my specific experience of tumblr people fuckin hate trans girls and women in general and they dont feel the need to do this shit. but that doesnt mean what im talking about is not an issue and is not something that people need to change and address. if you find urself doing this shit you have got to reflect on yourself, you arent immune to transphobia or homophobia or sexism ESPECIALLY if you think that you somehow are magically immune. nobody is. no identity is. everybody is suseptible to this shit and it takes active critical thinking in order to combat it
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scrollonso · 1 month
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i have come to the realization that waiting room by pheobe bridgers is the most first kiss strollonso song ever.
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let me explain.
If you were a teacher, I would fail your class. Take it over and over 'til you noticed me
I feel like the hint at a teacher-student thing shouldn't be taken as a taboo in this context because (not only is the age gap smaller but) lance truly does what he does for the attention and praise he gets from nando in return, he continues to fail because every time he does he is noticed by the "teacher"
If you were a waiting room, I would never see a doctor. I would sit there with my first-aid kit and bleed
This mainly makes me think of lance crying in nandos arms after he dnf, holding on tight to him as he "bled" but not necessarily "seeing a doctor" (talking about it) because the best thing for him was the "waiting room" (fernando)
I wanna be the power ballad that lifts you up and holds you down
He wants to be fernandos everything, his motivation, his friend, his lover, his supporter, HIS SUN.
I wanna be the broken love song that feeds your misery
He wants to be something fernando continues to come back to no matter what, like a broken love song fernando adores and even though it can hurt he cant stay away because it is his favourite
And I can wish all that I want, but it won't bring us together
As of right now in the au lance isnt even aware of his own feelings let alone the fact fernando feels the same, no matter how much he tries that longing and craving he has for more doesnt disappear because he isnt aware just how much more he needs
Plus, I know whatever happens to me, I know it's for the better
As lance continues in his rookie season he becomes used to losing, used to retiring early, used to fucking up, while fernando continues to win, but he cant bring himself to care when he goes and sees fernando on the podium
And when broken bodies are washed ashore who am I to ask for more, more, more?
When both of them have been hurt, been through things, struggled, had their own negative thoughts about the feelings they'll soon come to terms with, who is lance to beg fernando to be more than just friends and coworkers?
But you're breathing in my open mouth, you're the gun in my lips that will blow my brains out
Fernando literally takes lances first kiss. He's the first pair of lips lance has ever had on his own, the first person to hold him this way, touch him, love him, soothe him, praise him, his first everything, if this doesnt work out its going to kill him.
I wanna make you drive all night just because I said, "Maybe you should come over"
In the au lance lives in geneva switzerland like in real life and fernando was visiting mark in queanbeyan australia WHICH IS A 36 HOUR FLIGHT AWAY THAT LANCE TOOK WITH NO HESITATION JUST TO SEE FERNANDO A WEEK EARLIER THAN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO.
Wanna make you fall in love as hard as my poor parents' teenage daughter
He knows fernando is older and has most likely loved someone before but he cant help but want nando to love him as hard and passionately as he loves fernando (HIS POOR PARENTS' TEENAGE SON.)
She'll be the best you ever had if you let her
This could truly go both ways, with fernando being more expierenced and willing to do anything for lance with no hesitation and lance not knowing exactly how to love but willing to do anything to show fernando just how much he truly loves him.
I know it's for the better. Know it's for the better
With lances internalized homophobia in the au he believes that convincing himself he truly just looks up to fernando is for the better because admitting he's in love with another driver would be insane
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suffarustuffaru · 11 months
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so @alderamiin said subaru for the ask…. yes your ask was the one i deleted on accident whoops 😭😭 BUT HERE WE GO I MADE SURE TO REMEMBER TO DO YOURS WKDNDN (and i LOVE subaru fr i simply could not skip over him also) (pls expect my usual chaotic rambling im so sorry i really am overusing the caps button 😳😭😭)
Sexuality Headcanon: bisexual 👍 subaru being somewhere on the ace spectrum isnt a super strong headcanon of mine compared to the bisexual hc but i am still fond of it <33 bc i do tend to just hc him as bisexual but i suppose i could kind of see it <33 :DD !!
Gender Headcanon: subaru is literally, as we’ve all discussed, like EVERY letter of lgbtq+ i swear. like natsumi EXPLICITLY being stated to be his ideal self….. what cisgender boy has his ideal version of himself be a woman…. come on….. and hes been like. dressing and trying to pass as a girl for his crossdressing pre-isekai too. like subarus Practiced A Lot at this. subaru clearly enjoys doing this and he was crushed when he couldnt pass bc of his voice pre-isekai :(( AND LIKE subaru and his complex relationship to masculinity and feeling insecure in his own skin like……………… and then natsumi being his ideal self…… natsumi being the Heroine……….. and its like. subaru clearly has a case of “do i want to be them or be With Them” when it comes to men hes attracted to (most notably julius.) so like. it could apply to women too. like. and then the way subaru reacts to felix’s presentation too………. i just think it says a lot. i dont care what tappei says but he wrote all this shit in the text fr!!! and also in general. natsuki subaru being a gender neutral name…. same with natsumi schwartz… so yes genderqueer subaru for the win. i personally hc subaru as genderfluid or bigender!! and also like. subaru being Very LGBTQ+ is so in line with rezero’s themes of self love and self improvement and self discovery and Identity. i think it hits so much harder if subaru Is lgbtq+ versus if he was just insecure straight cis man. like no wonder subaru was struggling Even More. hes so so far in the closet and struggling with like the internal homophobia and shit fr :(((
that and 1. subaru being lgbt is such a great subversion of what you would think when you first meet his character. and also a subversion of ur typical isekai protag which ADDS to rezeros subversion of isekai in general and 2. i love making Certain People mad with these hcs. like its so supported by the text the only thing missing is explicit confirmation. which. i have my doubts with tappei on that but iirc he DID say he nearly wrote a lust if with the guys…. tappei. come on. you already explicitly said that natsumi is subarus ideal self.
A ship I have with said character: im very open to most subaru ships!!! i just love a lot of them—reinsuba, ottosuba, emisuba, remsuba, julisuba… i just like how each kind of dynamic with subaru has so much range like even in just main route alone?? and then you factor in the ifs and it gets So Interesting. theres so much history with each pairing and so much to explore, whether its platonic or romantic. and subaru has a LOT of love in his heart.
i just like each pairing for different reasons hah—like ok ive talked a lot about reinsuba and emisuba already in other asks so. i DO like remsuba okay. not in the sense that i want it to be the endgame ship in main route bc thats very much not happening and i would prefer The Most Detailed emisuba development of all time. which would be more thematically relevant <3 but i DO ADORE remsubas relationship in general. like its so so complicated??? like. yeah theres the conflict in arc 2. theres the conflict in arc 7 with her waking up and being different and being so mean to him about natsumi :((( theres her “youre my hero” versus “youre not a hero” WHICH. URHGHF ITS SO GOOD….. and like yeah remsuba really do be. iffy. in terms of how healthy it is. but its so complicated bc you also have rem being like—she was like the first person, narratively, to be willing to DIE to save subaru the exact way he does for other people (including rem). and then the famous from zero scene in season one which is a MASTERPIECE but i hate how people fixate on “i love emilia” LIKE REM IS HAPPY FOR SUBARU. SHE IS HAPPY AS LONG AS HE IS. EVEN IF HE DOESNT LIKE HER BACK. but also he did like her back romantically for a time. and also of course rem had her fixation on subaru :(( subaru had his own obsession for emilia while rem had hers for subaru pre-being gluttonyed?? :(( yeah like. remsuba being so complicated is so interesting to me. like she and subaru are very passionate people yes. but also they do need to learn to tone it down sometimes you know? REM ESPECIALLY TOO BECAUSE EVEN AFTER SHE STOPS BEING MURDERY TOWARDS HIM… FOR EXAMPLE IN SEASON ONE SHE WOULD CANONICALLY GO TO HIS ROOM IN THE MORNING AND WAIT FOR HIM TO WAKE UP…. like she'd just sit there at his bedside and Stare at him... like girl chill a bit its okay T^T i havent read sloth if. but it seems like they learned to mellow out and have a happy life T^T apart from. a shit ton of people dying in the background and also subaru dying of old age and resetting back to arc 3. i am interested to see if we’ll get further remsuba closure in arc 8 yes. but also im bonking subaru on the head in arc 7 for saying even REM TORTURING HIM was a fond memory. pls let this be addressed again later i swear sodndn.
ok also julisuba and ottosuba. i am no expert on julisuba but on the other hand i have analyzed Too Much Ottosuba so perhaps i am an expert there wodndn. but YEAH i love those ships. they have so much history and moments between them and they are. definitely the more Explicit evidence of subaru being bi (between subarus Interest in julius and reid calling julisuba boyfriends and SUBARUS INTEREST IN JULIUS... vs ottosuba repeatedly being like “omg do you Like Like me?” “NO I DONT SHUT UP” and also their continued divorce arc dynamics yep). but also i will say i really like ottosuba because specifically they are the subaru pairing where theyre like. Very Much Closer To Being Equals. if theyre not already equals in something. like in terms of power levels and intellect and their very loving families and previous inability to fit in or be believed by people and also their status in the narrative as Being Just A Guy in comparison to everyone else. and yet ottosuba are the MOST important members to their camp for their jobs—subaru keeps everyone alive, and otto handles All the politics, which we see over and over again. they are literally THE power duo. otto is so so important too as the second person to die FOR subaru the same way subarus died for others. like the paralleling of otto pushing subaru out of the way when the white whale drove otto insane (and later otto tried to go back for subaru once he regained his senses ;-;;;) versus otto pushing subaru out of the way so he didnt get killed by garf ;-;;;;;. and otto being the second person after rem to also give subaru an EXTREMELY IMPORTANT speech to him (otto-rem parallels...???) <33 except ottosuba also foil a lot bc of their Different Morals. but theyre both stubborn as hell and have a tendency to go off and do shit they think is best without telling anyone bc theyre too deadset (hah) on what THEY think. (OTTO. SPENDING A WHOLE YEAR SECRETLY GETTING THE BOOK OF WISDOM AND HAVING IT RESTORED?? HELLO???) anyway yeah ill stop right here bc i have So Much ottosuba posts on this damn blog wkdndn but i really do think the appeal of ottosuba is that they Are on a more even playing ground. and their morality flipflops sometimes. ottos issues are just more lowkey than subarus widndnd. i am. however. nervous about all the ottosuba and vincent-chisha parallels in arc 8 bc………. possible otto perma death on the horizon??? 😭😭😭😭 itd CRUSH subaru.
also of course the similar flavors of julisuba and ottosuba….. u can have ur tsundere x tsundere ships in TWO DIFFERENT FONTS. anyway ill become a julius lore expert someday i promise.
A BROTP I have with said character: BROTP ottosuba and ramsuba are so so funny and great wofndn but special shoutout to garf and subaru in particular!!! i think its interesting how far their relationship has come bc they had a VERY rough start and its like. 1. im sure garf would immediately regret going into a rage and killing a shit ton of people in that One Failed Loop and 2. we learn garf is a traumatized fourteen year old whos been trying so hard to take care of the demihumans inside sanctuary while his sister and mom left him, one way or another, and hes very afraid of the outside world. and its like YEAH now your behavior makes sense. and its so good to see garfs growth and also his growth in his relationship with subaru (and otto) bc he looks up to subaru sm!!! subaru helped garf so much T^T theyre brothers guys 😭😭 i think its so adorable and so sweet. ill defend garf all day everyday. garf 🤝 subaru with their DAMN hero complexes while otto tries to keep them both on a leash so they dont do stupid shit. subaru IS a good role model for garf though ill say that. subaru tries so hard to be a good role model wkdndn. and yes i always laugh when garf teases subaru for drawing doodles and writing encouraging things for emilia in the temple.
A NOTP I have with said character: okay so. maybe i will spill some tea here. hah so i went over in ram’s ask how i think ramsuba in wrath if is actually super interesting widndns but otherwise ramsuba to me is bland. which. i also just feel like subaru/crusch and subaru/ana and subaru/priscilla are also bland. like. i dont think theyll ever feel interesting to me akdndn. like theres not. as much to work off of imo. like i just dont think theyre a good match romantically at all. like At All. priscilla especially LMAO…. and im tired of people reducing women in the story to just boobs and being fucked by subaru 😭😭😭 like i dont have anything against those subaru ships, my biggest notp is just seeing a bunch of characters be butchered just to have subaru have sex with various women. 😭😭 obviously not everyone in the fandom does that but i see this happens the most with priscilla fr. pls. shes more than just boobs :(((
anyway. my other notp is like. echidna/subaru but like. i feel similarly to ram/roswaal on this where its like. theres a potential there to show a nuanced complex toxic relationship bc THAT IS what echidna/subaru are. even more so in greed if. like theyve spent an UNGODLY amount of time together like their relationship is so fucked. like god the amount of details that were added to their dynamic in the greed if ln makes me go INSANE….. like you know how echidna said that subaru could use her body with this contract?? what she ALSO really meant was HEY SUBARU YOU CAN KILL ME IF YOU WANT. ILL JUST COME BACK BC WE ALWAYS MEET IN A DREAM WORLD AND THERES NO CONSEQUENCES BUT ITLL FEEL REAL TO YOU. LIKE HOLY FUCK FR 😭😭 and like in generally reading through greed if ln is a Trip alright. like “no yeah duh of course it is, suffaru, its GREED IF” but LISTEN……. echidna being subarus weird mother figure and then like. idk there are obvious implications i feel from like the body fluid tea and then echidna being like “you can use my body” and then theres a moment where she puts his hand on her chest and yeah its to feel her heart but LIKE…. SOMETHING ABOUT THAT SCENE FELT LIKE. SOMETHING. TO ME. AND THEN SHES SO OBSESSED WITH HIM AND HES DEPENDENT ON HER LIKE JESUS ITS A MESS. ITS LIKE HOW SHE WAS WITH OG ROSWAAL. GOD. *puts my head in my hands*
anyway my real notp is like. depicting echidna/subaru like it is a Healthy Thing like no it is not 😭😭😭😭 it never was healthy and it literally never will be unless ur changing echidnas character drastically. if ur gonna show off echidna/subaru then they are gonna be SO RANCID in like every way possible there is no other correct way to write them. she is terrible for him. she literally saw him and went “i can make him worse” and then it happened. bc greed if subaru is a Terrible Person. like. its not even a question. the biggest example i can think of rn other than obvious Rbd use is KEEPING MEILI. A CHILD. HOSTAGE AND LOCKED UP IN ORDER TO USE ELSA. HER OLDER SISTER FIGURE. JEEZ. my biggest notp of all time is treating unhealthy relationships as if they Arent unhealthy.
MY OTHER BIGGEST NOTP OF ALL TIME FOR ANYTHING IS SHIPPING A CHILD AND AN OLDER PERSON TOGETHER. subaru/petra SHOULD BE AN OBVIOUS NOTP BUT SURE DOESNT FEEL LIKE IT SOMETIMES….. guys she is a child. come on. hes seventeen and shes TWELVE. GUYS…. and then theres tappei making iirc an ACTUAL petra if????? and idk what the content in petra if is exactly but i worry given tappeis track record with the child characters sometimes 😭😭 AND THEN PETRA BEING IN LUST IF. TAPPEI…… N-NOTHING HAPPENS, RIGHT? *EXPLODES WITH RAGE*. even if petra and subaru get together later when theyre Older Adults in some AU or something its like. subaru knew her when she was a young child. and she had a crush on him then. um. personally idk if im fully comfortable with that hah T^T
A random headcanon: GONNA TALK ABOUT WRATH IF. anyway so the wrath if divergence point is that subaru gets beatrice to teleport him away and ram chases him down, ram tries to strangle him to death but fails, he smashes her head with a rock. yes. BUT OKAY when u watch the anime. beatrice comes for his aid AFTER subaru gets to the cliff and tries to psych himself up to like. jump off to save rem and stuff. THEREFORE wrath if subaru still considered trying to rbd via jumping off that cliff. he just decided not to and agreed to have beatrice teleport him away. this is something not many people seem to mention or maybe even notice (??) but I THINK ABOUT IT A LOT…. :((
General Opinion over said character: i LOVE SUBARU WITH MY WHOLE BEING. he is my absolute favorite anime character of all time. his character arc is so chaotic and complicated and i think the way he Does like still struggle with the same Inner Conflicts is so so much more realistic. recovery and self improvement are NOT linear and he shows that perfectly. and i hate how much people misread subaru T^T the whole chadbaru trend in fandom of how he should get harems or how he should leave everyone or be terrible to emilia for *insert a long list of Terrible reasons here* is so. like did we all read and watch the same damn story or what hah. the whole point of rezero is LOVE ITSELF….. and subaru ultimately has a lot of love for so many people around him. though of course i do worry for how rbd reveal is going to be handled, and im not entirely sure how to feel about subarus arc 7 development atm. rbd reveal is gonna have catastrophic consequences for Everyone. like everyone hes ever been close to finding out hes died a shit ton of times to save him?? that so many of them have like. maimed and killed him or at least Tried To Do That? like HOW are we gonna get a happy ending out of all of this—hows tappei gonna handle this?? 😭😭 i worry sometimes that when rbd reveal happens it wont be nuanced or itll gloss over certain things or it just. wont be so satisfying. bc u have arc 7 subaru out here with SUICIDE PILLS……. ARC 7 SUBARU IN REPEATED INSANE DEATH LOOPS AS A CHILD….. how are we gonna come back from this?? 😭😭 i have my doubts sometimes but tappei loves insane character development for subaru so i suppose i will hope. i just wish for all the trauma to be seen and addressed akdndn and the fact that rbd is so. complicated. it makes subaru and his relationships with everyone else so complicated. and rbd is inherently unfair in a lot of ways to both subaru and everyone hes close to. i cant wait for more subaru development but i also think after arc 8 he NEEDS a break or like otherwise, personally i think subarus gonna snap for good and not be able to return from it 😭😭 or ill just have to suspend my uhh disbelief. i suppose. but yes i do love subaru a lot!!! his hair is a Pain in the ass to draw but ill endure the pain just for him. <33
but regarding all of subarus loved ones maiming and killing him a lot—i think its fascinating how the if routes prove he is JUST as capable of ruining all their lives. like i feel like people forget that sometimes in favor of woaaah cool what if routes where subaru becomes “badass”…. but LIKE…. hes SO SO CAPABLE of so much destruction. he is choice itself. he is capable of changing the entire world and everyone around him. he is capable of causing the deaths and trauma for SO MANY PEOPLE… and like i think rezero itself and subarus relationships are like an extreme version of hedgehog’s dilemma, u know? like u get close to people to love and be loved, but ur also very vulnerable to getting hurt. and rezero is About love. and part of close relationships are that ur so close u Can be hurt. maybe you Will be hurt. but u will also Love….. unless ur one of the ifbarus then fuck u for making the wrong decisions ig wodndndn. im telling u guys that subaru is LITERALLY an eldritch being at this rate. todd is so right.
and. okay one last thing im gonna be real for a second. im a little eh on subaru being a child, honestly. like i DO like the trope of turning characters back into their child selves in order to explore their psychology that way!! but like. idk i feel like the childbaru arc is kinda too similar to the whole amnesiabaru arc in arc 6. it feels Extraneous. it doesnt feel different enough for me personally. (emphasis on personally. this is all my opinion hah.) and then he is STILL A CHILD IN ARC 8 EVEN THOUGH THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT GOT TURNED INTO KIDS ARE NOW BACK TO NORMAL…… LIKE…. im sorry but the childbaru has overstayed its welcome by the time we get to arc 8 imo 😭😭
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albedosarmpit · 1 year
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incel scaramouche (so vile im so sorry)
(im going to make this man the crustiest, smelliest, dirtiest fucker around im not sorry for what im going to do, hes a gamer. too much of a gamer. this isnt a reader insert or anything because he gets no bitches. wanted to make him struggle with internalized homophobia but idk if people are comfortable with that!! please tell me if you are and i'll write something later-)
warnings; scara is sweaty and awkward, he loves his own scent. a-armpit k-kink, scent kink, frottage, this is absolutely vile im sorry
The afternoon sun shining through his window as he just begins to wake up, laying there and staring at the ceiling wanting to go back to his dream. What was his dream? good question. Scara had already forgotten as he rubbed his eyes, he hated this, he hated how awkward his body was. his body coated in sweat as he didnt even have the energy to get up.
Scara slowly got bored, he couldnt get back to sleep so he figured he would do something else instead. shower? no thats too much effort. read a book? books are for nerds. jack off? that requires too much effort as well. Scara put his hands above his head and instantly attacked by his own scent, his unkept amrpit hair poking out of his shirt, he should be disgusted with himself but for some reason he wasnt, he loved it.
Scara quickly took his shirt off, putting it down near his pillow as he laid on his stomach, face buried in his own shirt, smelling his sweat as he began to thrust against the bed, his cock instantly getting hard, precum already dripping onto his underwear as he kept going, breathing in more and more, he imagined he was eating a girl out as he put his tongue out and began to lick his shirt, beginning to moan as he became more and more desperate
Scara moaned into his shirt, words trying to form but failing, he wasnt talking to anyone, he was alone in his room getting off to his own scent like the fucking degenerate he was. Scaramouche came after a mere 2 mins of doing this, cum filling his sweaty, underwear as he slowly drifted off to sleep again, face still buried into his own shirt.
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mashiee · 1 year
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Arlo headcanons please please please gimme
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ok so
i hc that he has 4 older siblings, but was separated from them pretty early on due to [REDACTED] so he was practically alone his whole life, with the occasional step in from valerie
*[REDACTED] is a whole Thing, so send another ask in if you want me to talk about it and go into detail abt my hcs for arlo family/family dynamic(s)
this is very much why he so easily believes her and why he seems so much more adamant about the hierarchy compared to other characters
also why he acts like an only child despite having four older siblings
his sister has tried to reconnect with him but its a work in progress
he collects antique buttons and very much has a hyper fixation on them
yes he is autistic, tbh i probably dont even have to say that
bee allergy, esp hornets
hates wearing shorts outside would rather die than wear them out it feels so weird to him
honestly im not entirely sure what i hc arlos gender. it tends to switch between cismasc and amab demiboy. also sometimes tho its amab nonbinary or agender
also a bit unsure about pronouns. he/him for now but if i end up going for nonbinary or agender later on probably it/its pronouns. or maybe they/them
speaking of being queer he has internalized homophobia (possibly via valerie) so he probably doesnt come out until much later in life
he struggles with allowing himself to be feminine or sometimes even androgynous. was taught growing up that he has to be masculine and strong
its being worked on
plays animal crossing a lot
probably the only video game he plays. aside from maybe like. tetris
probably plays with elaine whether he knows its her or not
gay asexual
says he prefers dogs bc theyre more obedient but in reality he prefers cats
multiple times in a week he'll have moments where he'll suddenly Realize just exactly how Tall. he is
prefers reading over movies/tv/yt/etc. it just isnt as interesting to him. also he prefers things that are physical and that he can feel
acts all superior and shit but in reality hes super self deprecating and thinks he'll never amount to what is expected of him
was deprived of having hobbies and playing as a child so he's very much discovering his inner child as he grows and gets further away from the box he tries to mold into
likes adult coloring books a lot
cant stand repeating sounds it makes him dissociate
derealizes a lot
cant recognize himself in a mirror most of the time so he just. doesnt have them. and when in places that do have them he wont look at them. like if he's in the bathroom he'll look down the entire time he wont look up
same reason why he hates photos
absolutely despises mashed potatoes they are so slimey and disgusting
sometimes i consider hcing him as being 18-19 instead of 17-18 bc like. a lot of autistic children repeat kindergarten for lack of communication/interaction with other children
at the same time tho i feel like valerie wouldnt have allowed that
is a cat person
both in that he prefers cats and also that hes a wet cat
he never actually fights people he just crushes them w his barrier or lets them suffer the backlash from attacking it and then moves on
therefore he is weak asf and has no body strength. mr mans has noodle arms
long eyelashes
like john hes also vampire tier but hes sophisticated whereas john is like... feral vampire
sometimes i hc him as british and having an english accent bc i think its funny
can cook enough to survive but its mediocre
cannot handle ANY amount of spicy
pepper and any form of mint is spicy to him
hates mushrooms
has tried weed exactly two (2) times and has hated it both times
in his words "i felt like a coffee grinder with nothing to grind"
why do you, as a man, feel like you need something to grind? do you want to grind on a man?? is that it?? gay
the first person who convinced him to try it was a combo of rei and kuyo, the second time it was holden
arlo still questions why he did it the second time KNOWING he wouldnt like it
theres a senior chat and arlo got named "Big Daddy" in the chat by holden and he has no idea how to change it and no one will tell him so he just suffers
you would think as a king or whatever hed know how to blackmail ppl to get them to do what he wants but he actually doesnt
people just automatically listen to him so when hes faced with someone who wont, he either broods about it or straight up attacks them. sometimes both
more arlo stuff: arlo sibling info | [REDACTED]
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demadogs · 2 years
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Why do you think will/Byler seems to get more active, targeted hate/homophobia than Robin/Rockie (or ronance)?
theres a lot of reasons.
robin became an established queer character the season she was introduced, and she was never in a hetero relationship before. for byler, mike specifically, its different because they hate the idea of a character they love “suddenly” being revealed as queer. because they refuse to look into all the queercoding, all theyve ever known is mike as a straight character in a relationship with a girl so they would be pissed if they found out theyve actually been rooting for a queer character.
robin and vickie also arent main characters. they see them as the shows representation points and thats the only purpose they serve. mike, will, and el however are the main characters and we so so rarely see main characters in media thats not explicitly a queer story end up being queer. this just doesnt happen. and if it does happen, their sexuality and feelings are revealed in the first season, second at the latest. never the last. and they also never leave a long term hetero relationship for it. again, this goes for shows that ARENT considered a queer show. maybe youd see this in heartstopper but a scifi horror show about an evil alternate dimension??? this is so rare.
because of that, they think we’re absolutely ridiculous for believing it will happen. i think the aggression and homophobia also has to do with them subconsciously seeing the signs that we’re pointing out and theyre getting mad that mlvn isnt the perfect couple they say they are. and/or theyre seeing the massive numbers of byler shippers compared to mlvn shippers and thats enough to piss them off and worry them that mlvn isnt endgame.
the biggest thing i think tho is mike. they chose to show mike deeply struggle with internalized homophobia and people dont like that. they see him with a girl and think “SEE!!!! HE’S STRAIGHT!!” even tho their relationship is obviously unhappy for both of them. a lot of times internalized homophobia is represented with the audience aware of their true feelings. this is one of the first times ive seen it played out where we’re given clues, but not seeing mikes pov at all. they wont like that. they’ll feel tricked.
robin also hasnt been represented as repressed at all. she assumed steve wouldnt want to be her friend but other than that she is not ashamed, just careful because she needs to be. i think homophobes prefer this in media. when they see the ugly side of it they claim theyre focusing way too much on the gay shit.
also the fact that will is their second canon queer character. like i said, they see robin as just a tool for representation points so the fact that theres a second queer character completely unrelated or uninvolved with the first one makes them think “you already have robin why do you need another gay character!!” i think this would also be the case if will was canon first and then robin was introduced.
i also think the fact that theyre guys makes a difference too. i think with robin and vickie, even tho its well established that at least robin has feelings, they can play it off as some girly besties hanging out but with guys its so different. we saw max and el holding hands in s3 and no one thought that was weird but we probably wouldnt see lucas and dustin like that. so i really dont think theyll like it if/when byler kiss.
for ronance i think since theres zero chance of that actually happening and most people who ship them are well aware of this, they dont even bother with the hate. bylers already half canon tho so they feel like their precious hetero ship is threatened.
i could write a whole paper about this honestly. theres so much else.
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blackinquisitors · 1 year
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Since Isaac is more cis identified but focuses on presentation. How do you think Arthur would handle and react to a child of his or in his care that is trans identifying? I've really enjoyed reading Bloom and Arthur's inner dialogue.
hmm that is a very good question. I think honestly it would be a very similar reaction to isaac. keep in mind in this time period, gender and sexuality werent like distinct identities like they are now, so thats why I refer to isaac as queer and stuff even tho hes technically cishet but gnc. bc for all intents and purposes it didnt matter. so for a trans kid, particularly MtF, arthur would go thru the same things he did w Isaac, struggling w his ideals of masculinity and gender/sexuality and internalized homophobia. maybe to a greater extent, bc while Isaac retained his male identity and his femininty is a quirk of character, a MtF kid would be abandoning all of that. so arthur would have a much harder time accepting that, mostly bc of the danger that that posed for his kid. Isaac can simply wear a suit to fit in. if arthurs trans daughter wanted to live as a woman, shed be risking her life daily and hed have diffculty reconciling w that
however. if he had an afab kid I think hed be more lenient. I think hed be a little proud if his "daughter" started being very masculine and adopting a male role like wearing pants and having short hair and doing masculine stuff like hunting/fishing. hed think she would be stronger and able to protect herself more, less likely to be hurt in the world, since this was a terrible time for women and sometimes disguising yourself as a man was the only protection you would have. but then if this daughter started asking to be referred to as a boy, I think it would throw arthur for a loop. I dont think he understands what transgender is. he doesnt really get Isaac either tbh. hed probably struggle with name changes and pronouns etc and would default to calling them "kiddo" in lieu of a name. a nonbinary kid would REALLY confuse him
its not that hes a massive transphobe, he just doesnt understand. but as seen w charles chatenay, miss margaret and sadie, hes not particularly bothered by gender noncomformity bc its not his business. with a kid, his main desire is to protect so thats where all the conflict comes in. but after he gets over internalized bullshit, he'll probably be like "whatever makes you happy kiddo" and not fight it further
in a modern context where there is the vocabulary and the education regarding lgbt issues, arthur isnt as initally resistant, but hes still stupid about it. despite being bisexual himself hes still like "I got you a rupauls drag race tshirt. you like that kind of thing right". hes much more accepting. all of arthurs nonsense isnt due to his own bigotry (which he really isnt bigoted, hes very neutral on every group of people except bigots) its just a reaction to the societal bigotry hes both witnessed and experienced first hand
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Since we are getting controversial... i dont think the line ''it is not my fault you dont like girl'' is Mike projecting his feelings onto Will. He literally explains what he meant by that comment a few seconds later, he says ''we are not kids anymore, we should grow up and stop playing games and get girlfriends''. Mike believes liking girls and getting girlfriends is a part of life and is expected outcome when you grow up, and that he thinks Will not wanting to get girlfriends and not focusing/liking girls is him being childish and refusing to grow up. That's heteronormativity, not IH.
For example, when he's trying to confess to El by using the word 'love' in S3, he says ''it is a word that grown ups say to each other sometimes''. I think that scene also sort of plays into the same thing too, he thinks he should do these things bc it is expected and grown ups do it, that sounds like heteronormativity to me not IH. That's why he wants to leave his hobbies behind because he finds them childish and in order to be 'grown up' and in a relationship with that mindset, he has to hide that side of him when he's with El.
Mike doesnt have a struggle or characterization where he feels like a mistake/broken for being gay. He doesnt have a characterization where he gets explicitly and specifically bullied for being gay. He doesnt have a characterization/writing where he gets bullied or abused by his father for being 'feminine/unmanly' or for being gay to the point his sister thinks Ted unalived him. He doesnt get bullied by his school peers for being gay. Mike doesnt get called slurs. He isnt forced to like ''manly things'' etc. That's Will's characterization, all of those things result in Will having IH. There's more evidence that suggests that what Mike suffers from is heteronormativity. Due to his family dynamic (this is something Jonathan also comments on when he is talking about getting married/family dynamic to Nancy in S1) and he thinks that is a part of growing up.
There's not much canon evidence, textual stuff to claim that Mike has IH or that the writers intended Mike to have an explicit canon IH. I actually think Mike wouldn't even mind being non-straight, because he would think that being non-straight would make him special tbh and he actually has insecurities about not being special too. Literally Mike's insecurity is about him being NORMAL, not being abnormal. Being abnormal is Will's insecurity if anything.... Mike thinks he is just some guy with nothing special about him and he is insecure about being normal, not about being abnormal. Heck, he actually finds abnormal stuff to be cool. This is the guy who commented on Dustin's collarbones by saying it makes Dustin look like a hero. Mike likes being different and different things. I really think if Mike and Will were to be in a relationship Mike would be the proud and confident one in the relationship.
I seriously dont think the writers are going for an IH!Mike or gay!Mike storyline. I don't think the Duffers think that way. I think they're gonna just state Mike has feelings for Will and that is all. We all have Headcanons and theories but at the end of the day we should think from the writers' POV and what they are actually writing in their story, and what are they gonna write in S5. And honestly, I don't think an explicit gay!Mike with a canon IH is likely.
Hi anon! I'm gonna break down why I disagree with each of your points, with peace and love.
First things first, let's define our terms. The Rainbow Project defines internalized homophobia as follows: "Internalised homophobia and oppression happens to gay, lesbian and bisexual people, and even heterosexuals, who have learned and been taught that heterosexuality is the norm and 'correct way to be'."
Regardless of what you believe Mike's sexuality to be, even if you believe he is heterosexual, he is absolutely demonstrating internalized homophobia. It is a common misconception that internalized homophobia is synonymous with self loathing, but that is not the case as it is a broad term.
"Mike believes liking girls and getting girlfriends is a part of life and is expected outcome when you grow up, and that he thinks Will not wanting to get girlfriends and not focusing/liking girls is him being childish and refusing to grow up. That's heteronormativity, not IH."
It is my personal interpretation that Stranger Things has intertwined the themes of growing up and queerness, which is why it is such a large part of Will's (and Mike's) character arc. The pressure to "grow up and be normal" is often synonymous with the pressure to be attracted to and subsequently pursue the opposite sex for queer kids. Which is why I think the way they have intertwined these themes is what makes Will's story so compelling to so many queer people. Also, see the above definition of internalized homophobia.
"Mike doesnt have a struggle or characterization where he feels like a mistake/broken for being gay. He doesnt have a characterization where he gets explicitly and specifically bullied for being gay."
You seem to be implying that since Will is actively bullied for being gay and Mike isn't that Mike can't have internalized homophobia? Hearing homophobic insults said toward Will would absolutely contribute toward Mike's own internalized homophobia.
(I think it's also worth mentioning that when Troy is making homophobic comments about Will, we are shown primarily Mike's reaction. Mike is the one who pushes Troy as well. This seems likely to be an intentional writing choice.)
Secondly, more than one character in a show can experience internalized homophobia. And in small town Indiana in the 80s, it's more likely than not.
"He doesnt have a characterization/writing where he gets bullied or abused by his father for being 'feminine/unmanly' or for being gay to the point his sister thinks Ted unalived him. He doesnt get bullied by his school peers for being gay. Mike doesnt get called slurs. He isnt forced to like ''manly things'' etc. That's Will's characterization, all of those things result in Will having IH."
See my previous point. Just because Will has internalized homophobia doesn't mean Mike can't too. (Also... "unalived" hehe hello tiktok user.)
"There's more evidence that suggests that what Mike suffers from is heteronormativity. Due to his family dynamic (this is something Jonathan also comments on when he is talking about getting married/family dynamic to Nancy in S1) and he thinks that is a part of growing up."
See my first point in reference to the definition of internalized homophobia and the connection between the themes of growing up and queerness.
"I actually think Mike wouldn't even mind being non-straight, because he would think that being non-straight would make him special tbh and he actually has insecurities about not being special too. Literally Mike's insecurity is about him being NORMAL, not being abnormal. Being abnormal is Will's insecurity if anything.... Mike thinks he is just some guy with nothing special about him and he is insecure about being normal, not about being abnormal. Heck, he actually finds abnormal stuff to be cool. This is the guy who commented on Dustin's collarbones by saying it makes Dustin look like a hero. Mike likes being different and different things. I really think if Mike and Will were to be in a relationship Mike would be the proud and confident one in the relationship."
Mike doesn't feel the need to be special or unique so much as he feels the need to be needed. He doesn't want to be special for the sake of it, he wants to be special because El is special, and he needs her to need him. Or rather, he needs anyone to need him. That's what he expresses during the van scene.
And nobody in small town Indiana in the 80s is happy to be queer because it makes them feel special. Let's get that out of the way.
Mike has also gotten less comfortable with being different as he's gotten older, which is common. Young kids are usually much more carefree and they celebrate the things that make themselves and others unique. Enter social conditioning, and kids now feel a sudden need to conform. (Which brings me back to why intertwinig the themes of childishness and queerness is brilliant.) A good example is your earlier point about Mike's "heteronormativity" (internalized homophobia) and the ideas he has about how growing up means he needs to have a girlfriend and tell her he loves her in S3.
I also think Mike has some significant cognitive dissonance when it comes to the topic of conformity in S4 especially.
"I seriously dont think the writers are going for an IH!Mike or gay!Mike storyline. I don't think the Duffers think that way. I think they're gonna just state Mike has feelings for Will and that is all. We all have Headcanons and theories but at the end of the day we should think from the writers' POV and what they are actually writing in their story, and what are they gonna write in S5. And honestly, I don't think an explicit gay!Mike with a canon IH is likely. "
This is where we agree, I don't think the Duffers will confirm Mike as gay. As far as "canon IH" I would argue that we already have that, though I know you meant of the self loathing variety, and I agree that we probably won't get that explicitly.
I disagree that we should only be thinking from the writer's POV though. My interpretations of Mike's character are not intended to be S5 predictions, they are simply interpretations. I explained that a little bit in my previous post. That's the thing about art and media, you take away your own interpretation.
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gettin-bi-bi-bi · 1 year
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i keep finding myself struggling wiht my bisexuality, feeling scared or even disgusted. and i just wanted to say somewhere that: no matter what, its okay. if i have a lean towards men? thats okay, im still queer. I still like women. i dont need to be in a relationship with a woman to be queer. i dont need to be attracted to women all the time. just because (or if) i have a lean towards men as a woman doesnt mean being bi still isnt hard or scary. it isnt bad to want relationships with men. being bi is good.
with all that out of the way... is it bad if i like... struggle with the idea of ending up with a woman? like being married and stuff. its all so weird and scary at the same time, because i know i can feel attraction to women. im not confused about whether or not im bi. but i have these weird feelings and all this hesitance about going into relationships with women and whether or not ill really be able to be with a woman one day forever, and stuff about like wanting a family someday and to be married at some point but my view on marriage is also so conflicting because my view of marriage seems so hetero-centric but its also something that i genuinely want. even the idea of just being in a relationship with a girl seems scary. all of it... just makes me feel nauseous and scared. i know some of these problems are just related to internalized homophobia/biphobia, but i also know that some of these might be genuine desires and that makes it hard to draw the lines between them without unintentionally restricting myself. the idea of not ever being with a woman feels horrifiying but also comforting at the same time because i know how hard it is. i wish there were as many people insisting bi women can end up with other women as there were ones who're saying we're just gonna end up with men.
Sorry that this has been sitting in the inbox for so long. I had Covid and am still a bit under the weather, didn't feel like I had enough brain capacity to reply properly.
Your quesiton is whether it's "bad" to struggle with the idea of "ending up with a woman". First of all... yes? In the sense that it means you're not fully comfortable with your bisexuality and it sounds to me like a classic aspect of internalised biphobia. But it's not "bad" in the sense that it makes you “less bisexual". In fact it's (unfortunately) somethign that a lot of bisexual people go through. You said it yourself: having a preference doesn't make you any less queer/bi. But because of societal prejudices and internalised biphobia many bi people are scared of making same-gender experiences. That's understandable and of course might also be a safety issue.
However, I would recommend working towards more self-acceptance so that you can actually enjoy your sexuality fully. And that doesn't mean you have to have sex or relationships with different genders, but just that you are able to feel attraction free of any shame and insecurity about what is or isn't "the right way to be bi".
And lastly, this might just be a personal pet peeve, but I think if we'd stop looking at our love life as "ending up with x" that'd be helpful. To me this always sounds like hitting a dead end. But even if you enter a long-term monogamous relationship that doesn't mean your sexuality ends. You still continue to have eyes for other human beings and you have fantasies. Your desires don't end just because you have a partner. Maybe try to think of a partner (whatever their gender) as one aspect/part of your sexual and romantic journey instead of the end point of it.
Maddie
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whiskeyswifty · 2 years
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anonymously admitting to being a closeted lesbian here but i think why i’m so upset at the possibility of her being gay and in the closet is bc it coincides with my own internalized homophobia and painful struggle. like maybe i’m angry at her for suffering in the same way i am while also being who she is. complete parasocial complex going on of course but .
I’m really sorry you’re going through that. and I truly do hope you can get to a better place with your struggle soon so you can be happier and more comfortable with yourself! I love being a lesbian and I wish you could feel that same happiness. I believe you can, and it’s already really great that you recognize these things in yourself and admit them at all, even if it’s anonymous. It’s a start! As for taylor I mean when I talk about her being a lesbian it’s just for fun. So if it’s not fun for you and what you’re going through, you can believe she’s straight! Nobody will ever know the reality of her private life so you’re free to see whatever you want to see in her (as long as you don't harass her about it, which i'm sure you're not). The only Taylor swift you and I will ever know is a public figure performance so like she can truly be anything. People on here used to joke around she was a serial killer and bring up which lyrics make her sound like one, truly just as a fun game. (Serial killer night was both so fun and also turned out to be in line with her true crime interests I guess haha) think whatever you want at this point, and whatever you’re comfortable with. Even if she is a closeted lesbian in reality, you thinking she ISNT a closeted lesbian won’t suddenly like… make her straight. You can’t change whatever her private reality is for better or worse, so it really doesn’t matter what you think! Think whatever you want! And you can block or mute people, like me even, who refer to her however jokingly as a lesbian so you're not triggered by it. it's just a website, lol. you are free to decide what you do and don't want to see, nothing personal. just don't harass gaylors (which i'm sure you weren't planning on doing) as they are ALSO allowed to do and see what they want to do and see on this website. we can all coexist.
I'm not sure if you were looking for advice, but if you want to turn this pickle into something productive, maybe you can practice loving her as a (however fictionalized) closeted lesbian and extending grace and compassion to her. If you can find a way to get comfortable doing that with her and the struggle you imagine she is having, maybe it’ll help you get closer to extending yourself that same compassion and grace. if you can forgive her for her missteps or harm she is causing herself, with an understanding of why she did these imagined things, then you can maybe see how your own struggle is the same and equally as deserving of forgiveness. Sometimes the distance and the safety net of fiction can help people confront things that they can’t confront in their own lives just yet. A stepping stone if you will. just remember to always move at your own pace and speed and seek out professional help if you feel particularly stuck, as they're more equipped to handle things like this than i am. you're going to be just fine buddy!
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vtori73 · 10 months
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It always so... ugh I don't know just ugh.
Just, the LGBTQIA community REALLY needs to work on not being Biphobic for like... 5 seconds at the very least. Just... it's soooo normalized, even bi people who have internalized biphobia partake because they like licking boots of biphobics, I guess.
It's just interesting too to realize how MANY of these assholes don't actually know any actual bi people or our actual struggles and just make shit up to be mad at bi people for. Like, for example these non-bi people were going on & on about how this bi person explaining their experiences sounded like x biracial person/that bi people "stole" biracial peoples fav talking point (specifically white biracial people), etc and just... 1st of all... y'all REALLY don't know anything about Bi-ness, bi people etc because THIS ISNT A NEW TALKING POINT, we've have BEEN talking about this sort of phenomena (we don't feel like we belong in either straight or gay communities) for a VERY VERY LONG TIME. It's not our fault you don't bother having bi people around in your life &/or just educating yourself on our history, texts, & issues. 2nd you can't compare these two things many people known this and some people have learned this more recently but regardless why is it in this instance okay to bring up? Once a bi person annoys you it's okay to make comparisons that don't make sense/problematic?
Not to mention how insidious it is to do so because this makes us seem like we have privilege in anyway that has to do with our sexuality and regardless of your personal opinions on the matter WE don't. "Well what about straight bi's/bi people dating cisheteroallo people?" Well, for one thing while I will admit there probably are a FEW Bi people who get benefits from this sort of relationship it's not JUST because of the relationship but also other factors of how they go about things (& no this is not in regards to closeted bi people) this also isn't exactly a unique phenomena with bi people either (such as cis gays/lesbians who are/were trying to assimilate with allocishetero society) HOWEVER for many Bi people being with a partner that's allocishetero isn't really all that privileged when you realize specifically Bi woman (idk the stats for gay/bi men) are more likely to suffer from IPV compared to either straight or gay woman. And, well, you know how Gays/Lesbians tend to have high rates of x compared to straight people like health issues, for example? Yeah well, the rates for us tend to be even higher compared to either straight or gay people and that's just focusing on cis individuals imagine how worse it gets for trans bi people.
So, yeah, regardless of who we are in a relationship with that doesn't really change the fact that we still struggle with higher rates or health issues, homelessness, sexual assault, substance abuse problems, domestic abuse, and whatever else AND despite us being the biggest community get hardly any funding or resources compared to the LG communities. Sure, MAYBE we don't deal with as much harassment if we are out in public with our seemingly cishetero partner but again this is a much more complicated and nuanced discussion then people are willing to acknowledge considering that the abuse and problems we face tends to get erased and labeled as just homophobia or something. I actually tried to do some quick research too & didn't find much but one article from the UK talking about hate crimes and how the stats weren't all that much diff from each sexuality with 77% gay men & woman participants experiencing a hate crime & 75% bisexual people but this stat actually goes UP when you account for gender (79% for bi woman participants). It also mentions how Bi & Trans people are less likely to report incidents to the police so I can only imagine these numbers are even higher (btw it's 79% for trans participants).
One thing that would REALLY help is if LG people would just... ACKNOWLEDGE this shit, just acknowledge we actually do have struggles and are oppressed just like any other queer identity and us having to deal with our own community not helping & even just flat out hurting us only makes our problems worse. That isn't me calling y'all oppressors though because y'all aren't, BUT I will call y'all oppressor wannabes because why else would you treat us like shit for just existing?
*not entirely sure where to put this above so sticking it down here but yeah the big difference between white biracial people and bisexuality is that bisexuals don't have privilege just for being Bi. White biracial people have privilege due to proximity to whiteness & (usually) colorism something that is visible from the outside. Bisexuality, however, is not some offshoot of straightness and is not actually connected to being straight in anyway (and also sexuality is not really visible just by looking at someone) and even if it WAS we aren't afford any "privilege" because in our allocishetero society any sort of queer attraction is a deviation from what it considers the norm, if you DONT just like the "opposite sex" your not seen as normal. Straight people don't see us as straight (sometimes certain dynamics do cause this like bi woman not being taken seriously & are just "doing it for attention" but that's specifically a mix of misogyny & biphobia NOT straight privilege) and while most of us bisexuals don't give a shit what they think the problem though is that gay people see US as straight people! Because regardless of our queer attractions so long as we don't conform to what they have made being homosexuality all about we don't get to be included. We have to play along with them and join in on the Biphobic jokes and give in to their binaries in order to be included and if not we get cast aside as troublesome. Some of them think we choose or can choose to be in a "straight relationship" when we are done being homosexual but it's so funny in a sad way they end up repeating what conservatives & bigots have said to them, that their sexuality is a choice. No, the Bi person you got dumped for isnt going into a "straight passing relationship" because they were straight to begin with they just happened to start dating someone who was cis & straight & allo afterwords (which isn't farfetched considering you known... the population of cis straight allo people is kind of high). Not to mention this topic gets really tricky/messy when you realize a lot of LG people label anyone who looks straight on the outside as a bi x straight person couple/straight relationship when in reality it could easily be any number of combinations of queer individuals together especially when you take trans people into account and how this sort of rhetoric negatively effects them as well.
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menalez · 11 months
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About the whole "I thought I was a lesbian but I met a guy and realized I'm bi" thing - it ((however unfortunately)) happened to me and tbh I think it's a very recent societal problem. Like I feel guilty for labelling myself as a lesbian because I don't ever want to misrepresent their interests bc... I love them. And I don't believe lesbians can love men or change their mind about their sexuality. But even as a radical feminist we live in a world overtaken with identity politics that puts pressure on us to know what we are even though we aren't rid of homophobia OR biphobia for that matter. I've struggled with (mild, not that that excuses it) internalized biphobia and misogyny. We assume that the days of women realizing that they're lesbians late in life are over bc of the agenda telling us that homophobia has died but it hasn't. However, similarly, we're still going to have young people of all types struggling with labels realize things about themselves later in life, because of homophobia on top of the fetishization of minority identities. I might be talking in circles now but idk, give me your feedback on this. This is also vent-y bc I want to be febfem but I feel like I don't have a choice with today's dating scene? Which I know that sounds so stupid, I should just woman up and be female exclusive but... idk. I don't feel like I can. (That's not to say I don't love my current bf, I'm just pathetic lol)
hm honestly anon u lost me like halfway through so i kinda got confused over what u were trying to say here, ngl. i agree theres a pressure to choose a certain label even when u dont rly know and thats also why when i get anons asking me if theyre lesbian or bi i often advise to just think things thru and figure things out without putting a label on it bc like rly why do u HAVE to label urself if ur unsure? its ok to be unsure on ur sexuality u dont have to have a label in the meantime!!
but i didnt understand the bit u said about "we'r"e still going to have young people of all types struggling with labels realize things about themselves later in life, because of homophobia on top of the fetishization of minority identities." so if u wanna reword that for me thatd be great <3 cause i feel like i might have thoughts on that but im not sure what ur saying there
also i agree that its hard to be febfem with the reality of the dating scene tbh but think of it this way,,, dating men in the current dating scene isnt that easy if u want to have standards in which u dont date men that are overt or covert misogynists, if u cut men who consume porn out of ur dating pool, etc etc. so like ultimately the dating scene isnt that easy either way, with dating exclusively women its just always gonna be difficult as a woman bc our dating pool is smaller but its like choosing one risk over another in some way ?? if that makes sense. that said if u have a boyfriend u love then perhaps u could aim for being febfem if/when that relationship ends, bc i think itd be unreasonable to expect anyone to end their relationship if theyre happy w it anyways lol
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alfredolover119 · 3 years
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I looooove your zukka rec lists! I recently became Avatar-obsessed, never got a chance to watch it as a kid and only just got through it all! I was wondering if you'd consider doing a specifically angst rec list? I love fluffy zukka everything, but sometimes you just gotta have your heart ripped out of your chest and put back in after being thoroughly blended.
thank you! i relate heavily to “recently became Avatar-obsessed” haha. as for the angst list, i sure can try! warning: all of these have happy endings because im a crybaby who can’t read unhappy endings. also, p much all of the fics in the completed section were featured on my other lists but this is specifically the ANGSTY ones >:^)
angsty zukka wips
first, most obviously, feels like we only go backwards by @oldpotatoe
-currently at 102k with 19/27 chapters posted; rated teen
-the amnesia fic. the amnesia fic. the amnesia fic. you know. i haven’t actually read it yet because, as previously mentioned, i’m a crybaby and am waiting for it to finish up but, from my understanding, this fic will murder you in a dark alleyway with no remorse. if u like zukka angst, you’ve probably already read this, but just in case!
An injury leaves Sokka with amnesia. His last memory is of the failed invasion, of leaving his father behind in enemy territory on the Day of Black Sun. Of hopelessness. Rage. // But then he wakes up, and the war is over. Suddenly, he must come to terms with the fact that years have passed, and that he's somehow the Southern Water Tribe Ambassador to the Fire Nation. He is also supposedly friends with banished-Prince-turned-Fire-Lord Zuko, of all people. Close friends.
Yeah, nah.
and i’ll do anything you say (if you say it with your hands) by @goldrushzukka
-currently 38k with 6/8 chapters posted; rated mature
-holy shit. holy SHIT. modern au based on the “my cat likes my fuckbuddy and i am falling in love” trope(?). maybe it’s just because of how the last chapter ended, but oh my god. this one made me cry. made me want to commit violence. when it’s not angsty as hell, it’s pretty funny, but holy shit. ao3 user nebulastucky please.
It’s supposed to be a one night stand. Pick up some guy at a bar, barely remember his name and never learn anything real about him, send him packing in the morning with a thanks for the ride and a cup of coffee to-go. That’s how it’s supposed to go. // But then it’s the best sex Sokka has ever had, and he thinks he’ll hate himself if he never gets to have it again.
Violet Blossoms and Celestial Objects by @hollypunkers
-currently 15k with 2/? posted. rated teen.
-this is the sequel to blue (an angsty, zukka rewrite of book 2-- go read it if u havent!)! !! this is a book 3 rewrite. only two chapters in and mrs hollypunkers is really abusing the miscommunication tag, as zukka writers seem to enjoy doing. im excited to see how the world and story develops with the changes to the story! you should be too!! its very good! obviously spoilers for blue lmao
Having sided with the Avatar in Ba Sing Se, Zuko not only must navigate his new relationship with Sokka but returning to the Fire Nation as a banished enemy. His own journey of self discovery and personal growth must now coexist alongside the personal struggles of every other member of the Gaang as together they blaze a treacherous path toward an unsure victory against Zuko's own father and nation.
breakable heaven by @fruitysokka
-currently 71k with 9/11 chapters posted. rated teen
-swt ambassador zuko! soon to be chief sokka! fake dating ur best friend to get out of an arranged marriage! what could go wrong!!! i also haven’t read this one ((see: i’m a crybaby who is being hurt by too many zukka wips already)), but it has been hanging out in my marked for later for months. from what i understand, this fic has: angst.
With his twenty-first birthday looming just around the corner, the Southern Water Tribe Elders have decided that Sokka, next in line to be Chief, needs to get married. Sokka does not want that, but he does need to get them off his back until he can figure his way out of it. What better way to do that than to pretend to date his best friend (and newly minted Ambassador to the Southern Water Tribe) Zuko? // Seriously, this is a foolproof plan. Maybe one of Sokka's best. Absolutely nothing can go wrong.
angsty zukka fics (completed!)
(i’ll put these in wc order)
lighthouse beam by @incorrectzukka
-7k, rated g
-a modern college au!! zuko’s inner-monologue is very angsty in this fic. typical zuko. also per usual, theyre both fucking dorks. they sort themselves out in the end, but not before The Angst. zuko is semi-deaf in this fic and also he has a bit of internalized homophobia.
Sokka’s breathtakingly beautiful and he’s smart and makes other people laugh. Zuko has a half-burnt face and a deaf ear. It’s not rocket science. // Or, Zuko falls in love with the boy in his Philosophy class.
This Isn’t My Idea of Fun by @khaleeseas
-9k, explicit
-moon spirit/nwt prince!sokka, no war to be found here! admittedly this isnt THAT angsty but like. the angst IS present. zuko is still the prince. a lovely childhood friends (though they hated each other for a minute haha) to lovers story. 
If you asked Zuko, he and Azula saw far too much of Chief Hakoda of the Northern Water Tribe’s children growing up. It wasn’t until they were older, and Azula pointed out that - duh - their families were trying to set them all up, that he realized why. // He was told by his mother to be polite. These people were their friends and allies, and though their nations were as different as they came, harmony between nations was the most important thing. // It wasn’t his fault the Chief’s children were so annoying.
put your lips close to mine (as long as they don’t touch) by @celestialceci
-9k, teen
-modern au! zuko and sokka are college roommates. zuko goes to spend the summer with sokka. again,, not really that angsty but-- its there!! the detail and feeling of Home in this story make me happy. zuko is insecure as hell here too. if ur into that. 
Zuko hates his home. He likes college alright, but he likes Sokka even better, his assigned roommate turned best friend. Spending the summer with Sokka will be fun, a welcome change of pace he desperately wants. It probably won't awaken anything in him... right?
the thing about dancing by anodymalion
-9k, teen
-yes. this one right here officer. it makes my heart ache. also trans sokka! which is cool. but the zuko angst in this one. hurts me. not so much relationship angst as it is zuko learning he deserves happiness angst. i’m sure u know The Type.
The first time a attendant spills Zuko’s tea and doesn’t immediately fall to her knees, begging the Fire Lord’s forgiveness, it is not anger but a resounding warmth that fills his chest.
i could (never) give you peace by @zukkababey
-10k, mature
-OUCH. OUCH OUCH OUCH. boys please learn to communicate im begging u. also zuko.. zuko, dude. as the tags of the fic say, hes “really going through it” in this one. YOUCH. post-canon.
Zuko almost said it. He almost said the words I think I’m in love with you, but he choked them back down at the last second. // Zuko would never be able to be what Sokka wanted. They might have needed each other during the summer, when two boys with too much weight on their shoulders found comfort in each other in the only way they knew how. // But now Zuko was Fire Lord, and Sokka was leaving.
this love burns so yellow (becoming orange and in its time, exploding) by @meliebee 
-18k, teen, major character death 
-i lied. THIS is the one, officer. found family.. good mai and zuko and toph friendships.. . ozai escapes prison and tries to overthrow zuko. OBVIOUSLY angst ensues. poor boy. he Does heal in this but it gets worse before it gets better. angst angst angst angst.
Ten months after Zuko is crowned at seventeen, he faces his first coup.
Anything for You by beersforqueers
-23k, explicit
-istg. this is probably one of my favorite zukka fics. its PAINFUL. modern au where theyre broken up but sokka hasnt told his family yet so zuko goes home with him for kataang wedding. a bit smutty, but the plot oh my god ohgm y fuvk. made me cry the first time i read it. (see: crybaby!me) insert that one picture of the horse with the caption PAIN. 
In which Sokka and Zuko have broken up but Sokka hasn't told his family yet. So when Katara and Aang's wedding weekend rolls around and he doesn't want to break Gran-Gran's heart, he asks Zuko to pretend to be his boyfriend for one last weekend. // Things don't go as planned.
Moving Mountains by @thefangirlingdead
-64k, mature
-so. when i read this the first time it was in one sitting. soulmate au set within canon era / the comics, to an extent. soulmates can hear each others thoughts. i will happily say this is slowburn, jesus christ. champagne without the cham. 
Soulmates are chosen by the spirits and can hear each other’s thoughts. Sokka thinks it’s cheesy and dumb. Zuko thinks it’s poetic justice that he doesn’t have one because he doesn’t deserve it. Cruel irony is finding out that the prince of the Fire Nation (and the person currently hunting you) is your soulmate.
In the Soft Light by @voidcenturyscholar and @romancedawning
-83k, teen, graphic depictions of violence
-moon spirit!sokka living in the northern water tribe. zuko is sent to the northern water tribe as a cultural liaison. iroh is the fire lord but while he is away taking care of lu ten after his injury ozai steps up. i cannot express how many emotions this fic made me feel. background yuetara. i would almost say found family?? but. anyway. plenty of angst to spare here with a healthy dose of enemies to friends to lovers.
As the newly appointed cultural liaison to Northern Water Tribe, Zuko is the first Fire Nation Citizen to step foot inside the city's walls in nearly a century. He's determined to prove himself—to the Fire Lord and to his father—even if the Water Tribe's spirit-touched prince seems to want nothing to do with him.
That Midnight Sky by @zukkababey
-103k, teen
-now now now. tms... modern college au where sokka agrees to tutor zuko in physics because zuko has to maintain straight a’s and physics is just not doing it for him. so. thats cool but THEN azula moves in, randomly, with zuko. to hide the fact that sokka is tutoring zuko, they fake date! what could go wrong!! the mutual pining in here combined with the angst... wonderful, tasty. everyone read it rn. also SLOWBURN 
In Zuko’s strict family, needing a tutor is just about the worst thing you could do. Failing a class, however, is even worse. The only rational solution? Take up Aang on his offer to find him a physics tutor and have Sokka—beautiful, smart, handsome Sokka—tutor him in secret. // When Azula’s arrival threatens to reveal Zuko’s secret, it’s up to Sokka to convince her this definitely isn’t what it looks like. See, he’s actually… Zuko’s… boyfriend? // Hmm. There’s no way this could get complicated, right?
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okay this isnt hate im just curious, why do you like incest ships?
Hi anon! :D well since you asked so nicely, I'm going to explain.
I just think there's something oddly romantic about it. I jokingly tell my friends it's double the love, right? Family love × romantic love. It's Love^2. It's just a very different dynamic from what you may see in normal ships, because you also got a sibling or cousin vibe going on, and I personally find that adorable. I love to think of an older sibling being protective of the younger one and whatnot. And I LOVE the whole incest guilt aspect. The characters in a relationship feeling gross and scared and... And the reassurance that they're alright, they're good enough, their sibling/cousin loves them, they're not gross or disgusting or dangerous. They deserve love and they deserve to be happy just astshfjfnnfnfnfndndn 😭
Okay, I admit i like to project my own internalized homophobia on incest guilt narratives. I struggle with my own insecurities a lot. Sometimes I hate myself a little and I wish i could be normal 😂 ahh but internalized homophobia in fanwork can be quite controversial now, can't it? Or in media in general. Oh, look, another film about a gay character hating himself. Another fic with stupid poor-taste drama trying to shove homophobia into an escapist coffee shop AU in which everyone in the protag's friend group is gay and nobody bats an eye. No one wants to talk about internalized homophobia. It's annoying. But incest guilt? Incest guilt is pretty much a staple of the genre. Your fic may look strange and odd and poorly thought out without SOME difficulty. The lack of shame and secrecy wouldn't make sense. The lack of anger - at yourself and at the object of your affections and at everyone around you - wouldn't make sense. I find it very cathartic to read and write, especially when that moment of release comes, and the character is reassured that they are Good. They are alright. They are safe to be around and they are capable of being loved. In fact, they already are. They don't have to be scared.
Of course, I KNOW I could write about internalized homophobia. I know I will find people who enjoy that sort of catharsis, too. But incest guilt hits different because, well, I know homosexuality isn't immoral or dangerous. There's not a lot of tension there imo. It's like a soft tiny fluffy poodle werewolf crying "stay away from me! I'm a monster!" I just don't buy it. But incest? Oh, incest is a terrible thing. It's not normal, like homosexuality. Now, you do ask yourself - is this character fucked up in the head? Are they immoral? Unethical? It's not a harmless little poodle anymore; now it's an actual werewolf looming over the little Red Riding Hood and baring it's fangs at her. When the werewolf says "i'm a monster", you think "it kinda has a point".
Which gives more weight and intensity to that act of love when the figurative red riding hood hugs the werewolf - i think Guillermo del Toro spoke about this, how the monster shouldn't need to change into a prince charming. The beauty comes from understanding and loving the monster as it is. I'm in love with that concept. It's what my (unpublished) bear fic sorta revolves around lol. With our modern conceptions, its easier to love a normal gay than to love a gay in love with her sister. It takes more. Knowing and loving what seemed unloveable. I think there's a lot of beauty in that.
Of course, this is all a fantasy. There's nothing beautiful about REAL incest. Real incest is harmful and horrible and disgusting. But I'm not thinking about REAL incest, I'm talking about fantasy incest. A romantiziced version of incest that doesn't actually exist. Personally, I like narratives in which the protagonist is the exception - they're not bad or dangerous even when most other similar cases are. This is why I don't LOVE intergenerational incest. I just can't wrap my head around the fantasy of "healthy" intergenerational incest. The age gap and power dynamics are too great. I don't enjoy "abusive" incest either. It may be """""more realistic""""" but it doesn't feel sweet or romantic or beautiful to me. I don't understand how other people like it but I'm not a cop and I'm not their mom i ain't telling strangers online what to do. I can only see it as cute or romantic between siblings or cousins. It requires some suspension of disbelief, yeah. I don't mind that. It's a fantasy, after all, in the same way that there's something deeply romantic about sending love letters to your lover fighting in the trenches, but lmao you do NOT want a REAL loved one to go to war, you just want to read a sad book about it. I think it's important to have the critical thinking skills to KNOW this "romantic incest" is a fantasy, and enjoy it as such.
There are a few other reasons as well - I've always had a bit of a morbid fascination with incest, maybe that's why I loved Percy Jackson and The Lion King 2 so much as a child 😂 I think it's fun to play with a combination of sibling/cousin dynamics and romantic dynamics between two characters. The fluff is fluffier. The angst is angstier. There are some narratives that simply work better with incest in it *cough* bear fic *cough*. Plus, I get the feeling I'm more comfortable with the abstract concept of incest than many people outside the continent may be, because it's such a common theme in latin american literature. So I never felt scandalized or particularly grossed out. I thought it was weird and kinda yikes when i was younger, but that was never the hill I wanted to die on. Now I'm a hopeless romantic, and I want to read about star-crossed lovers too scared to follow their heart and love each other as openly and honestly as they always wanted, and I find that incest shipping does the trick just fine.
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what is your genuine opinion on byler rn do you think they're actually gonna be endgame? I doubt all the time this show has never been great when it comes to their queer characters
i completely believe its gonna happen for so many reasons but ill just tell you a few big ones.
will canonically loves mike. i cannot think of a single other fictional media where someone was revealed to be in love with someone else THIS far into the story and it ended up being unrequited. when stories are written about an unrequited crush and how they move on, they reveal that crush early on so we can see their character development over the course of the story. but with only one season left they missed the opportunity to tell the story that way. if they wanted will to just have a crush on mike and then find someone else, we wouldve known about his feelings probably by season 2.
they showed the worst of mike and el’s relationship in the same season that they revealed wills feelings. those two dont just happen simultaneously if its for nothing.
THEY ARE SO VERY CAPABLE OF WRITING AN ADORABLE AMAZING REAL COUPLE WHO LOVE EACH OTHER!!!!!!! SO WHY ON EARTH WOULD THEY CHOOSE NOT TO WRITE THAT FOR THE CENTRAL COUPLE OF THE SHOW IF THEYRE ENDGAME????!!! i would eat mlvn up if they wrote it in the dynamic of lumax but instead they had him struggle for literally HALF THE SHOW to tell her he loves her. and we see how painful it is for both of them to maintain the relationship.
mike suddenly becoming an asshole and the audience having no insight as to why hes treating el or will the way he is. mike was a lot of peoples favorite characters in s1 and 2 and then in s3 he was kinda a bitch. he lied to el instead of just telling her about hopper and then the rain fight with will. and this continues in s4 and gets even worse, especially with el. if the reason for this isnt internalized homophobia then its just a genuine plothole in the story and character development.
the lack of finn/noah interviews. this is mad suspicious. they are in almost every scene together this season and theres definitely stuff to talk about relating to their characters but they chose to separate both of them and not let them answer any of those questions together. but for the other “will they/wont they” couple, stancy, those cast members were often paired together (with maya and joseph but still). i also think its interesting that theres barely any finn and millie interviews from this season as well. i dont think theyre as strictly separated as finn and noah but most of millies press is either alone or with noah.
some honorable mentions:
perfectly framed mike in a closet during the mlvn kiss at the end of s3
the one way sign to the closet while hes reading her letter
track called “in the closet” playing over MIKE talking, not will
track “on the bus”, which played for lumax’s first romantically coded scene, playing during a byler scene
how mike and els breakup in s3 was shot compared to the rain fight (colorful, sunny, whole party watching, and comedic vs dark blue, pouring, alone, and emotional)
zero closure or insight on els thoughts of the monologue
first season that doesnt end with a mlvn kiss
and like ya know theres all these too
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