People are getting way too comfortable with shipping some really problematic ships

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made some shipcourse emojis because that might be a trigger for not being able to speak. also an ai "art" emoji.

"proshippers are all pedos" makes ve laugh because of how disgusting proshippers are to paraphiles . like girl theyve sent ve death threats and told ve to lock vyself up in an asylum for being a paraphile no v don't think they like us

my stances and stuff:

pro endo/thoughtforms, MOGIA/LGTQIA2+, self diagnosis, BLM/ACAB, ed/sh/paraphilia recovery, mspec monos, contradictory labels

don't want to get involved in: shipcourse, tulpamancy as a plural term, bodily white systems with POC alters/verbal systems with nonverbal alters, any discourse around what's RAMCOA exclusive, shi/hir and fae/faer pronoun discourse

anti radqueer, contact (pedo/zoo), harassment/death threats/suibaiting, fakeclaiming

DNI bigot, mogai exclusionist, radqueer, safequeer, MAP/MAA, pro/complex contact zoo (or think it's a valid stance). anti endos on thin ice. If you interact with me and I'm on your DNI I'll take that as an invitation to break said DNI

interact only on anon if you post gore/horror/nsfw on your blog.

extended DNI under cut for if you're still unsure if you're on it. cw for dogwhisels

DNI bigot, MAGA, TERF, gender critical, anti transgenderism, anti gay, anti gay agenda, pro traditional family values, MAP/MAA, pedophile, pedosexual, pro/complex contact zoophile (or think it's a valid stance), zoosexual. interact only on anon if you post gore/horror/nsfw on your blog. (so no likes, comments or reblogs.) anti endos may interact but if you're really vocal and mean about it I may block.

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oh jeez,, a sys blog we really liked is proship.. i know we are neutral/neither on the shipcourse topic but like. calling yourself either title is very uh. hmm.

big ass long rant about our shipcourse stance under the cut. in short: its complicated and varies a lot. we do not like the black/white views on proship/antiship stances, it is a giant grey area with a shit ton of shades in it. reminder that we are on neither side for a reason.

we have all proship dni because they are typically not following their own stance correctly and we dont want to interact w most comshippers (which.. technically we would fall under that title but . yknow. we are not into that label. and it implies we are on a specific side of the argument. plus a lot of them make us uncomfortable) and then our "violent antishippers" dni is when someone is actively supporting harassment over fictional topics.

we also fall under a lot of different parts of either side. our opinions throughout the system are different. spyte and pebbles r a lot more relaxed with "problematic" stuff (we hate that term), while some of us are more strict w it.

we absolutely go by "dont like, dont read. also tag your shit correctly". we do not harass people, we might not like the things theyre writing, we might think its disgusting and a red flag, but we are not going to click on it and make a comment about it or interact in any way. we will simply block and move on.

while we technically fall under the "comship" label: no, our fictional interests are not triggering nor does it impact our outside experiences. we are not "loli/shotacon". we enjoy genuine and realistic depictions of abuse, while keeping it interesting in a fictional standpoint (which makes it a little unrealistic like the limits of the human body. but the impact of abuse is realistic). it is mainly for the enjoyment of reading the story and/or enjoying the plot, or to vent if we're the ones writing it. we have never read anything fictional (that wasnt intended to be taken as a real, intentional opinion) that has severely impacted our world view. and i doubt it ever will.

fiction is able to be seperated from reality in specific topics. ex: abuse, even when "romanticized", can either be posted with a disclaimer of "i dont find this hot irl". or not, and you should assume they dont find it hot anyway. you should expect that person to not support genuine non consensual abuse unless there is evidence of the contrary (btw! having smth as a kink does not mean theyre into GENUINE non consensual things!! the fact that its labeled a kink strongly suggests that it is a consensual thing)

HOWEVER, when things are treated as they would in reality, ex: bigoted political comics, they are supposed to be taken as a reality equivalent!! they are trying to turn that comic into a real scenario! that is what they want! THAT is when fiction absolutely impacts reality!

now it gets a lot more complicated when it comes to stuff like COD or whatever other war/combat games like that, which can be taken as anti-military or pro-military. which.. it really depends on who youre taking to. which is the point. it gets complicated, it sometimes changes peoples opinions about reality, and sometimes it doesnt. should the intentions of the game be expressed explicitly, whether outside the game or not? yeah, probably. but it doesnt (to the majority of the public, at least). thats why its complicated. do violent video games inherently make people violent by exposure? no, of course they dont. CAN they impact someones world view, thus their morals and such? yes. they have before, and they always will. it gets complicated, like i said. its from person to person depending if other people were the reason, their environment, or simply the video game alone (which i dont believe is very common)

its all about intention and the way it is expressed. COD does not explicitly (to my knowledge) express its intentions, so people can take it any way they want. political comics are aiming for a specific opinion change, and is explicit about that (its a political comic). now: ao3 fics about sexualized domestic abuse? thats.. REALLY unlikely to be expressed in a way that means "yeah i like this irl when non consensual." if it is? they should probably be investigated for that behavior, that is obviously not fucking good. if it isnt? its just a sexualized abuse fic. who knows why theyre writing it. could be to cope, could be for fun, could be to get off on it, etc. people have always had "weird" kinks n shit like that. im not here to dictate censorship for others comfort or whatever.

cw on various things for this list but if ur curious about what "comship" stuff we like if its important to you: its mostly various types of abuse, yandere topics, "noncon", and teenage underage (which we generally do not read, though we have a few exceptions). the underage we do not find attractive or "hot" and it is ALWAYS for vent writing purposes and the underage character are typically self inserts. any character younger than 15 is repulsive to us to imagine writing about in a way that we would with the older teenagers. we have been writing about/making art of most of these topics since we were a little over 4 years old /serious

anyways uhhh yeah. shipcourse! fucking hate it! everything is black and white over here! where are the shades of grey!!! fuck !!!!!

friendly reminder that it's not child sexual exploitation material if no children are being exploited x

is this anything

I've been stepping back from tumblr for a while because shipcourse makes me get angry and I don't like being angry, but honestly...

The fact is that antis often create proshippers* by treating neutrals negatively. I can't count the amount of people I know of whose neutral stance didn't last long because antis pressured them to state opinions or spread rumours about them.

I would ask "how hard is it to leave people who don't want to be involved in shipcourse alone?" but I already know that certain groups of people find that very hard indeed. Certain groups of people put their personal need to make themselves feel morally superior by harming those that they deem "bad" before everything else, and that includes the boundaries and needs of others.

When neutrals are harassed by antis, policed by antis, and continually pestered to pick a side, they won't pick the side that made them feel like they had to choose. These are nuanced issues and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but more and more people are adopting the proship label because antis are harassing them whether they use it or not.

Antishippers talk the big talk about people being manipulated into becoming proship, but unsurprisingly, a lot of people prefer to be around people who don't make being in favour of harassment over fiction a core part of their online identity.

I may not be neutral, but shoutout to the people who are, because they have to put up with much of the same crap that proshippers do. People have the right to not take a side, to have criticisms of both viewpoints, to keep their opinions private, and to enjoy their fandoms without the fighting. Or at least I think they do.

*And for anyone who is confused or conflicted about what proship means: I would advise you to use the definition given by people who use the label, instead of people who hate people who use the label.

not a request but question..saw you were against Content Police and was wondering if you allow proship requests (agere related for when your asks are open again ofcc)

Combining these asks to minimize the shipcourse mentions on this blog, but also thank you for both of the asks!!!

In response to the question, I will gently reinforce that the label 'proship' is a belief about fiction, and not a specific genre of content. Even if it was a genre, I've seen a massive range in what would fall under that terminology (for example, self-identified antis who run Hannibal blogs).

I originally decided to put antis on my DNI when I posted some imagines for caregiver!Gaston, from Beauty and the Beast.

In these headcanons, I did include some caregiver dynamics that are little nods to his canon tendency to try and control the people around him, and how those toxic traits might reflect in his behaviour as a caregiver.

In my opinion, it's very important when you read villain imagines to remember that it's okay to fantasize about caregivers who take away your control and agency to make you feel small and cozy and protected, but it's a big red flag and completely unacceptable if a caregiver ever does that without your explicit permission and expressing that it's something you want from them!!!

So the answer is that yes, I will write some stories that reflect dynamics that I don't want people to think are healthy IRL: for example, anything with Hannibal Lecter, or Elias Bouchard. I will occasionally write about manipulation and control and helplessness, and I will do my very best to tag those dynamics so that people can avoid them if they so wish. (ie. my Alois and Claude fic)

I don't write explicit content or very much romantic shipping content, so I don't think that the most traditional 'proship' associated things are a risk/relevant discussion for this blog. But I do sometimes write about unhealthy relationships (ie. Rick and Morty are an abusive familial relationship, but I might write about how Morty feels complicated love and dependence towards Rick). Again, all of this material will be tagged, and I think I heavily lean towards the more fluffy kinds of dynamics.

As my rule has always been, you can request anything SFW you'd like when requests are open, and I'll make my decisions about what I'm comfortable writing! I turn down requests for many reasons, but I try to never be judgmental or rude about it.

can you not post your incest bullshit in the main tags of a fandom. Or at least trigger tag it because turns out that incest is extremely traumatic and can ruin people’s lives?

I will continue to post on main because it belongs to that fandom, and dear anon, i HAVE put several things for antis, again, i don’t want you here as much as you don’t want me here

block proship, and shipcest, done. Idk why you don’t have it blocked in the first place lmao

(completely incorrect assessment of causality, how laws are passed, etc + probably incorrectly interpreted/debunked/nonexistent studies aside): can we kill this myth already? (yes there are more than two such choices, “lolicon works as an ‘outlet’ for potential sexual abusiveness” is definitely wrong, but “it makes it worse” is also very wrong.) fantis rely on these bland input-x-output-y functions w/no nuance, no curiosity, no further social analysis (same as the general psych/criminological mindset) bc easy way to avoid actual intellectual rigor & looking at the world around you with more honest eyes.

“porn escalation” is a myth pushed by the evangelical lobby, following older puritanical ideas of sexual assault & abuse being a product of irresistible biological urges / sexual deviancy / overly high sex drive / unmediated fantasy & not their own fault, a product of their own values & will to power but some external influence (e.g. “satan”). patriarchs & abusers & others invested in upholding this social order have fucking incredible propaganda systems and part of that is how such bias has infiltrated academia and research and perceptions thereof. c.f. “Rational Science(tm)” from the Right, w/“you’re just Denying The Facts” if you argue they’re wrong or are motivated by bias or are fueling biases.

I'm gonna look like such a hater but the "(Cured) Ruin Eclipse x Solar" thread on the official discord needs to either be better moderated (or moderated in general) or shut down. There's a general rule in the server itself that non-canon ships aren't allowed, but also the people in there are just a bunch of minors screaming about how everyone else's ships are "abuser/victim" (false btw) but get angry when people point out that Ruin literally killed Eclipse. They then pull the "we ship what we want to ship" and "AUs exist" card after hating on other people's ships. Not only that, but they constantly talk about incest ships in canon (referring to them as 'cringe ships') as a way to hate on ships that aren't specifically Solar/Ruin. Most of these ships that they're talking about aren't really a thing tho? There's like 0 content of them so they're talking about incest for literally no reason other than to be "Quirky and cool about hating 'cringe ships'". The behaviour in that thread is genuinely gross and the fact that they've gotten away with it for stars knows how long is ridiculous.

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do you support pro shipping?? /genq

not really. I have complicated thoughts on shipcourse and black and white labels don't really work for me in this situation. but despite that I'm willing to make explicitly proship or antiship emojis. the ones I just posted are meant to have a neutral connotation.

Just a reminder that pro-ship and pro-fiction are just labels and that everyone who uses those labels doesn't necessarily share the same beliefs or condone the actions of others who use those terms.

that post of "what you do to fictional characters is not indicative of your real life politics" pisses me off. actually if you consistently portray male characters of color (especially arabic and black, i see happening primarily) as fuck-hungry meatheads and reduce female characters, regardless of canon portrayal, as waifish and submissive, just to name some examples.... i'm going to go ahead and assume you may have views according to that

ill put in a better way than anon. do you support fictional child porn or not

i believe the correct term is CSAM (child sexual abuse material); feel free to correct me if i have that wrong. obviously the answer is no, i don't "support" child sexual abuse material.

as for fictional depictions of children/underage characters in sexual situations, it generally squicks me.