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"Yet you toil still in service to men." Princess Rhaenys' voice was flat, and she narrowed her eyes at Alicent. "Your father, your husband, your son."
If Alicent Hightower was still the girl she had been when she first wed Viserys, she'd wilt. The way she had that foul night at Driftmark when she understood how little regard the king could promise his own blood. When her blood understood the same thing. Aegon, Helaena, and Aemond. Aemond, most of all.
But she is not anymore. Alicent has long shed the skin of that lost girl. The girl who once loved Princess Rhaenyra, but what was left behind by the ruins of such affection was enough to not want the woman reduced to ashes. The woman who honored Viserys in everything, but would not in this one thing. Alicent could not give Rhaenyra the crown no matter how long it may have been promised her, for it was not her right to give. It was the right of the Seven, and if they had wished Rhaenyra to rule, they would have made all of Alicent's children daughters and Rhaenyra's bastards trueborn. But they did not. While Alicent did her duty, Rhaenyra shirked hers. And now the consequence was that of Rhaenyra's five sons, only the youngest two were legitimate. Daemon's sons. They might be behind their half-brothers in the line of succession and thus far from the throne, but Alicent knew better. That it did not matter how far Daemon was from the throne, he would cut through everyone in his way to seat his own son on it. His own line. Even if he never desired Rhaenyra, she would always be necessary for that dream to happen. By contrast, Alicent was likely viewed by Daemon in the same light as the Lady Rhea, and her children were only necessary murders to him.
Alicent lifted her chin and did not look away from the handsome older woman.
"When you were not long a wife and with child, you objected to King Jaehaerys' decision to appoint Prince Baelon heir in the wake of his brother's death. But you and Ser Corlys did not object for your sake, did you?" Rhaenys goes rigid, and Alicent strikes. "No, you did it for your unborn child. The son that turned out to be a daughter. A daughter whose rights you did not defend later at the Great Council of 101. You fought for her brother, though. How do you reconcile that person with the woman who would one day let her only son be shamed because you would not defy your husband's will? You say that I toil in service to men, my lady, and perhaps there is some truth in that. I have given so much of myself to the men in my life. My father, who served your grandfather before the time of Viserys. My husband, your cousin and king. My son, your rightful king.
I ask you this, Princess. How can you look down upon a woman for wanting to secure the rights of her sons, when you wanted to do the very same thing, but for a child that had not yet drawn breath?"
The princess does not answer, as the queen knew she wouldn't. What can you say in response to the truth?
#alicent hightower#house of the dragon#antis don't interact#team green#asoiaf#rhaenys is a hypocrite#anti rhaenys targaryen
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#hotdedit#houseofthedragonedit#gotedit#asoiafedit#tvedit#mediagifs#userthing#tvfilmspot#cinematv#usertully#rhaenys targaryen#rhaenys velaryon#rhaenys the queen who never was#mine#what a hypocrite. what has she done#house of the dragon
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The Targaryen’s are “evil” for existing on Dragonstone for 124 years without care for the Seven Kingdoms and Aegon is “evil” for looking towards Westeros to conqueror and unite these warring kingdoms to better prepare them against the main threat in ASOIAF
#the targs also never forced their marriage practice into westeros and other houses nor blood magic#aegon even respected the faith for political reasons and left the actual ruling to rhaenys and visenya#embraced the house sigil and motto tradition and didn’t eradicate any religions for their own#they aren’t perfect but the level of hate everyone has for them while turning a generous blind eye to other houses atrocities and wrongs#is so hypocritical 🙄#daenerys targaryen#aegon targaryen#house targaryen#asoiaf
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Rhaenys Targaryen is by far the most evil person on House of the Dragon. She tried to pimp out her twelve-year-old daughter to a middle-aged man, screwed over her granddaughters for power, and then murdered hundreds of commoners because Alicent pissed her off.
I hope her death turns out to extra excruciating .
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You, the literal author of the fic: 'This character I created is not a hypocrite.'
Certain users: 'I disagree, and here is my nonsensical list of reasons why.'
My jaw is on the floor lmaoooo.
Hi nonny!,
I won’t lie, I was a bit bummed out that, despite clarifying why I thought Rhaenys wasn’t an hypocrite people still disagreed though it is their right to keep their opinions, and tell them. I’d rather listen to their opinion as they are then limit that even though I think some of their reasoning in my opinion a bit far-fetched or not taking into account several things.
But alas everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I’m happy to have clarified my point of view as the author and happy to listen to what others think of my take on some characters even when I don’t agree with them fully. Now everyone has a more full base of information to decide what to think about the way I have characterised Rhaenys. I was bummed mostly because I think Rhaenys should get more empathy considering all she went through as a toddler and a young adult for faults not her own, and I think all things considered her characterisation is not bi-dimensional hypocrite character who can’t seem to forgive the wrong party, but a biased character — which again, natural and understandable — who has qualities and flaws and is above all human. That’s the type of characterisation I strive for and I was really proud of how complex Rhaenys had turned out in my opinion so I guess I was bummed that instead others seemed intent on making her flat-dimensional in their approach to her characterisation though I am sure that was not the intention.
We can just all agree to disagree and see where the plot will lead Rhaenys’ journey.
Is her consideration of Jon and Lyanna true 100% ? certainly not, but I think it’s human and understandable; just as much as her distaste for Rhaegar is. Does she not have in some way the better-than-thou attitude/god complex/arrogance of the Targaryen? Yes. Does she have her uncle’s temper? In part by what we have seen.
But she also strives to be just and kind like her mother though not to the same extent and she is loyal and clever.
All things considered I hadn’t thought they would define her an hypocrite and was really sad that seemed to be (when I don’t think she is one at all) the only part some have focused on, about her characterisation. But maybe I’ve seen some circumstances which others do not consider that way due my training as lawyer and later to become a judge.
Still, I guess we’ll see where this journey will take her and see how the characterisation keeps coming along 😊
#Jonsa#Jonsa au#Jonsa fam#darkjonsa#darkJon#darkSansa#TBKAFLW#TALE OF THE BLACK KNIGHT RHAENYS IS NOT HYPOCRITE#ask the hag
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'now they see you as you are' and 'you desire not to be free but to make a window in the wall of your prison' are real lines coming from those two particular characters
#like look in the fawking mirror before saying that to alicent maybe??#i cant tell if its terrible writing or rhaenyra and rhaenys are two delusional hypocrites#probably both#they ruined rhaenys’ character in episode 9 like wow….
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My favourite HOTD characters
#hotd#house of the dragon#in this house we love queen deserved better alicent#the only innocent here helaena#truth teller but a little hypocrite Rhaenys#chaotic aemond king#and mad man Daemon#i wonder if I will add nettles daeron and alys#also the Velaryons girls if they finally have lines and plots
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I’ve never really seen anyone talking about this, but I noticed that one of the main reasons why I am team green is because team green feels like an actual team that is in this whole thing together.
Team Green feels connected, united, like a family.
Team Black on the other hand is… meh.
And let me explain why:
Rhaenyra being delusional and thinking that Daemon is actually in love with her when he literally just groomed her since she was a child because he has always been after her title and now wants to be her king consort. They have one of the most toxic, creepy and problematic relationships in the entire fucking show.
Then there is the very awkward and uncomfortable moment of Rhaenyra and Daemon having sex on Laena’s funeral, while Rhaenys, Corlys, Baela, Rhaena and Laenor are mourning the loss of their daughter, mother and sister. How fucking disrespectful is this. And then the fact that they have Laenor “killed” just so they can get married and have their own perfectly blonde targaryen babies.
And Rhaenyra lying about Jace, Luke and Joff to everyone in her very own “team”, trying to gaslight not only Corlys, and Rhaenys but also her own sons into thinking they are trueborn, when even Jace himself. as a child, starts asking questions.
Then there are obviously Rhaenys and Corlys, who for some fucking reason neglected their trueborn granddaughters in favor of some dark haired white bastards their daughter-in-law is trying to pass off as their son’s children. Rhaenys is trying sooo hard to please her misogynistic husband because he so desperately wants his name to go down in history. Then the disrespectful betrothal of Jace and Luke to Baela and Rhaena. Rhaenyra is literally robbing these poor girls of their rightful claim to Driftmark and usurping them. And now, with Luke being dead, Rhaena’s claim dies with him.
Baela and Rhaena losing their mother, and now their father suddenly remarries, and has two blonde boys. Rhaenys losing BOTH her children and then seeing her son-in-law and daughter-in-law getting married soon after that.
Everyone in team black is after their own ambitions. They lie to each other, they don’t trust each other, they suspect each other in different things, they cheat on each other (with each other) and lie about it, they give each other forced ultimatums, and yada yada. All their scenes feel forced, tense, awkward and uncomfortable. They look so miserable with each other.
Team Green in this sense is the exact opposite.
Although their dynamic is far from perfect, obviously, you cannot deny that they care about each other very very deeply.
Alicent loves all of her children, and even while acknowledging their flaws, she still loves them.
Aemond might’ve been a little envious of Aegon, but he would never turn his back on him. He would never betray his brother, be would never try to take his crown from him.
Aegon was far from being a perfect man and king, but, as we know, it was his love for his family, and the fear of them getting hurt that made him a more responsible person and a more protective father, husband and brother. Sure, he is a cheater, but at least he’s honest about it and doesn’t lie to his wife. He is not a hypocrite.
Criston is working for Alicent not for ambition or for self-gain, but because he genuinely loves her, whether it’s romantic or platonic, doesn’t matter.
Helaena would never betray her family, her brothers, her mother. They are all she has. She would never switch sides even if given an opportunity.
And even Otto, arguably one of the main villains of the whole show, still loves his family. Sure, he is ambitious, but he would never become Corlys level of ambitious.
Team Green feels like they are fighting against the enemy all together, they have the same goals, they feel united and you can feel their devotion to each other. Especially after blood and cheese, when they become closer than ever. They’re in this together and only if they stick to each other, they can make it. It feels genuine and honest. They don’t hide anything from each other, they always have their loved ones’ best interests at heart, they would never in a million years betray each other. Yes, they are all doomed from the start, but their dedication and love to each other is truly something else.
#house of the dragon#hotd#asoiaf#pro team green#team green#anti team black#anti team black stans#anti rhaenyra targaryen#anti rhaenyra#anti daemyra#anti daemon x rhaenyra#anti daemon targaryen#anti rhaenys targaryen#anti corlys velaryon#pro alicent hightower#pro aegon ii targaryen#aegon ii targaryen#team alicent#aemond targaryen#helaena targaryen
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I think the love that Rhaenys gets is kind of insane when you really look at her as a character. Because frankly she is insanely hypocritical and selfish.
Rhaenys is incredibly passive in her behaviors and essentially dedicates her life to make her husband happy. Which is totally fine and her choice…except for the fact that she insults Alicent for serving the men in her life and belittles her for it.
She willingly offers up her 12 year old child to a creepy older man to get her blood on the throne and to please her husband by getting his blood on the throne. Which is just as bad (arguably worse than) Otto offering up his 15 year old. So if you hate him, hate Rhaenys.
She kills a bunch of small folk without a care simply to show off that she’s powerful and better and can’t be chained down. And I’m sorry, if you hated Cersei for blowing up the sept (as her one and only option to survive) and the smallfolk in and around it…you can’t support Rhaenys caving the walls in on a bunch of people for no reason.
And really consider this. In the case of Otto, everyone hates him for plotting to get his daughter to marry Viserys and then get his grandchildren on the throne over Rhaenyra. But if Viserys had taken the ludicrous offer from Rhaenys to marry her 12 year old daughter…do you think she and her husband would’ve accepted Rhaenyra as heir? Obviously not. If Viserys married Laena and had sons with her, Corlys and Rhaenys would’ve been the #1 supporters of the “Rhaenyra isn’t the heir” brigade. They’d have used all their power to intimidate Viserys until he changed his mind, and if he didn’t…as soon as Viserys would die, they’d have their grandson on that iron chair faster than you can say “Rest in Peace”.
The only reason she supports Rhaenyra now is because of the marriage between the strong boys and her granddaughters. And the concept of her husbands “blood” being on the throne in name.
You can’t convince me in any way that Rhaenys is in any way a girlboss or feminist. What she is a hypocritical woman who, if the circumstances were different, would place herself and her family above Rhaenyra in a heartbeat. Lord knows she tried.
#game of thrones#house of the dragon#anti team black#anti rhaenys#anti rhaenys targaryen#anti corlys velaryon#anti corlys#anti rhaenyra targaryen#anti rhaenyra#anti viserys#anti viserys i targaryen
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"And yet you toil still in service to men. Your father, your husband, your son. You desire not to be free, but to make a window in the wall of your prison. Have you ever imagined yourself on the Iron Throne?"
Rhaenys Targaryen, Ep 9
There are a lot of moments in Hotd that are quite dumb. But this is probably one of my most hated quotes in the whole show.
What does Rhaenys even mean by this?
"You toil in service of men"???
Ehm, Rhaenys?? That's literally all you've been doing this whole season?!
There could definitely have been a version of Rhaenys (based on the book) who is ambitious and focused on her own power, but that is absolutely not show!Rhaenys. Throughout the show, Rhaenys continuously helps Corlys to advance his various schemes to build his legacy.
Not her or even their legacy, no, it's all about HIS legacy.
She is even willing to sacrifice her children for this purpose (marrying Laena to Viserys, and Laenor to Rhaenyra). And while she is critical of this both times, she still goes along with her husband’s demands.
Her behaviour perfectly lines up with what Alicent says:
“We do not rule, but we may guide the men that do.”
And then the most offensive parts:
"You desire not to be free, but to make a window in the wall of your prison."
Ok? What should Alicent do then? Just casually dismantle the entire system of patriarchy?
This line is just utterly baffling to me. It would be one thing if this moment revealed a deep internal bias on Rhaenys' part, but based on the way this entire scene is framed and discussed by the fandom, it seems to be meant as a badass moment in which Rhaenys really calls out Alicent.
But, if we take this prison metaphor a bit further:
If Westerosi patriarchy is the prison and Alicent crowning her son and exerting power only through her influence over him is merely a window, then what does that mean for every Targaryen dragonriding princess or queen that have come before her?
What have they done to dismantle this prison?
I'm personally confused about what exactly Rhaenys is calling Alicent out for? Is she criticising Alicent for not elevating other women? Is she criticising her for not breaking herself out and seizing power?
If it is the former, then Rhaenys is being quite hypocritical, considering that Rhaenyra, in the previous episode, just convinced her to give Driftmark to Lucerys instead of Baela.
Rhaenys herself has scarcely done anything to liberate herself, her daughter or her granddaughter.
If it is the latter, then this is quite tone deaf, considering Rhaenys is part of the ruling dynasty, almost became ruling queen, and in her big show of defiance is literally breaking through the ground massacring hundreds on a dragon.
Rhaenys calling out another woman who has none of these things for not breaking free of these constraints while she herself couldn’t even manage it is quite frankly dumb as hell.
"Have you ever imagined yourself on the Iron Throne?"
This last sentence is probably the dumbest part of this entire quote.
I'm quite honestly baffled by what Rhaenys is even supposed to mean with this. Is she asking if Alicent ever considered ruling through her husband/son? Then, yeah, that's literally what she is trying to do.
But if Rhaenys is asking if Alicent imagined herself literally sitting the throne in her own right.
Like, no? Alicent is only a consort?! Should she do a coup? Overthrow the Targaryen dynasty?
Ultimately, this scene is just really indicative of Hotd's greatest flaw. The writers are aware that the driving source of conflict in both Alicent and Rhaenyra's lifes is the misogyny they experience, but not enough to comprehend this struggle in a nuanced and complicated way.
So instead, they end up putting their female characters in anti female oppression and pro oppression categories.
Either they're rebellious punk rock and not like other girls, or they are a prudish trade wife and are part of women for trump. Either they're Team Black or Team Green.
This is just super disappointing because for one feudal patriarchy doesn't work like that, but it also takes away all sympathy from the women who don't have the ability for open defiance out.
In the end, the show is more concerned with giving the "good" women, badass girlboss moments, showing how they defy the system.
#house of the dragon#hotd season 1#the green council#alicent hightower#hotd critical#rhaenys targaryen
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Just saw a post lamenting that Team Green fans have no business claiming that Rhaena and Baela were usurped because Corlys is boss and HE chose Lucerys and then Alyn/Addam as Lords of Driftmark. And that it's hypocritical to claim Rhaena and Baela were usurped when we support Aegon who usurped a woman.
LOL. I don't know where to start. 😕
Firstly, Baela and Rhaena were in fact usurped (in the show) because Rhaenys, the Queen that Never Was CLEARLY expressed her wish to Corlys that Baela lead as Lady of Driftmark instead of Rhaenyra's (bastard) son who has not a single drop of Velaryon blood in his veins!!! Rhaenys was actually TRAINING Baela as her ward in Driftmark.
Secondly, how can you claim that it's unfair to support Aegon over Rhaenyra when it is he (a trueborn Targaryen with trueborn heirs) against Rhaenyra, who wants her clear bastard sons to succeed her as heirs???
Thirdly, isn't it contradictory to have no problem with Corlys and Viserys taking Baela and Rhaenys' rights respectively, then turn and be outraged that Aegon did the same to Rhaenyra???
The mental gymnastics here is just mind-blowing.
#women of westeros#baela targaryen#rhaenys targaryen#corlys velaryon#aegon ii targaryen#rhaenyra targaryen#house of the dragon#rhaena of pentos
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The biggest hypocrite in HOTD has to be Rhaenys. The scene where she's practically belittling Alicent, accusing her of only serving the men in her life had me speechless.
This from Rhaenys, who has done everything her husband wanted, even when it went against her own wishes? This is someone who wants to accuse another woman of upholding the patriarchy?
• She had the highest claim to the Iron Throne, was passed over for a man with a lesser claim, and apparently just gave up and didn't even attempt to fight for her own claim.
• She offered up her 12 year old daughter to Viserys because her husband wanted his blood on the throne.
• Again her husband wants his blood on the IT, so she agrees to marry her gay son to Rhaenyra.
• Completely bypasses her grandaughters claim to Driftmark , and instead supports a boy she knows isn't her son's child and has no legitimate claim to the Driftmark throne. Even if she didn't support her own granddaughters, she could have raised her own claim to DM or supported her brother in law Vaemond. But she does none of those things. Why? Because it's not what her husband wanted.
#house of the dragon#hotd#alicent hightower#anti team black#anti rhaenys targaryen#pro alicent hightower
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rhaenys is such a hypocrite. she is an actual claimant to the iron throne and has a female, egg-laying dragon at her disposal, thus allowing her to provide dragon eggs for her own children, which she absolutely does! at one point, house velaryon ends up with two dragonriders (rhaenys & laenor), the exact amount house targaryen has (daemon, rhaenyra). when laena claims vhagar, the balance actually becomes 3-2.
she is married to corlys velaryon, a very rich man with the ability to summon a very impressive fleet - military might few other lords can dispose of. this grants her a high amount of privilege that no other woman in westeros has, not even aemma or alicent (a half-targaryen with no dragon and a lowly andal woman with no special magical blood, daughter of a second son, not even the lord of oldtown).
yet rhaenys spends the entirety of her life kowtowing to the men around her, even acquiescing to the batshit crazy ploy of marrying her 12-year-old daughter to the king, just because her husband is obsessed with the idea of being the future king’s grandfather. she allows rhaenyra to make a mockery of her adoptive house by having 3 obvious bastards. yes, laenor should be giving part of the blame because he accepts to be cuckolded in such a conspicuous manner, but it creates very real, very valid feelings of disgruntlement within the velaryon cousins when it comes to succession rights. passing off jace as a legitimate heir to the iron throne could be brushed off as the targaryens’ problem, but pushing luke as a claimant to the driftwood throne is absolutely house velaryon’s problem. rhaenys ultimately accepts her granddaughters to be relegated to the status of wives, when they should be heiresses in their own right. she bends over backwards to accommodate rhaenyra when she believes she had her own son killed, just because her husband wants bragging rights for being the king’s “grandfather”!!! this is insane!!!
jace won’t even be a velaryon when he becomes king, since viserys insisted he revert to the surname targaryen. his kingship isn’t even guaranteed, since he is so obviously not laenor’s child, that a succession war is very likely to be fought over his illegitimacy. so what exactly is all of this tomfoolery even for?
and then she has the gall to lecture alicent about serving the patriarchy. girl, please go out and touch some grass!!! 😭
how could alicent “imagine herself on the iron throne” when she has zero claim to it? rhaenys, like rhaenyra, has done nothing for the rights of womankind, but enjoys lording over other women, mocking their coping mechanisms.
how about she start imagining baela on the driftwood throne instead and actually does something about it
#anti rhaenys targaryen#asoiaf#house of the dragon#anti corlys velaryon#baela targaryen#rhaena targaryen#alicent hightower#hotd meta
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The HYPOCRISY of Team Black and their Stans
Criston Cole calls Rhaenyra, one woman, a spoiled cunt
Team Black Stans: INCEL! Misogynist! Anti-feminist! Monster! He hates ALL women!
Daemon Targaryen calls his first wife a 'Bronze bitch', kills her to marry his niece, marries a child girl, reats his daughters like breeding cows and nothing else, treats his second wife like a maid and ignores her, fucks his niece on his wife's funeral day and marries her the very next day, calls Alicent a whore, mocks Rhaenys for coming back alive after Aegons coronation, chokes his niece-wife, abandons her when she's nearly dying whilst giving birth to his daughter.
Team Black Stans: Love of my life! Malewife icon! He invented feminism! His loyalty is unmatched!
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Team Black Stans: Alicunt is such a bitch for wanting to take out Lucerys' eye! Aemond deserved it! An eye for an eye bullshit, my ass!
Also Team Black Stans: Blood and Cheese is going to be epic! A son for a son, Alicunt! Aemond shouldn't have murdered Lucerys!
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Viserys ignores and neglects his other four children
Team Black Stans: Boo hoo motherfuckers! Sucks to be you!
Viserys ignores Rhaenyras wish to not get married
Team Black Stans: What a selfish man! You're a TERRIBLE father Viserys!
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Viserys and Otto arrange Helaena and Aegons wedding
Team Black Stans: And Alicunt had the NERVE to tell Rhaenyra that Targaryens have 'queen customs'! What a hypocritical bitch! She arranged for her own children to marry!
Rhaenyra arranges Rhaena's betrothal to Lucerys and Baela's betrothal to Jacaerys
Team Black Stans: Uwu girl boss! Queen! What a great move Rhaenyra!
#hotd#house of the dragon#aemond targaryen#alicent hightower#anti daemon targaryen#anti rhaenyra targaryen#anti daemyra#anti team black#anti team black stans#team green#pro helaena targaryen#aegon ii targaryen
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Or you are truly like the Targaryens or are Team Green, you can't be both.
Seriously, the greens are Hightowers. Alicent sons are nothing but pretentious white hair Hightowers that some people Stan because they think they are attractive.
Aegon II is a rapist, Aemond is a murder who can't even command his own dragon (not only he is a Wallmark version of Daemon, the show also made him look stupid and incompetent.) and will commit war crimes against the common folk. Alicent is a bitter middle aged woman who hates Rhaenyra because she had the life she wanted. Otto is a vicious snake who only thought about himself, bro sold his daughter for power. Criston is a incel who didn't got over Rhaenyra not wanting to run away with him. The only ones that are innocent are Helaena and her kids
On the other hand, Rhaenyra is the RIGHTFUL queen who tried her best to avoid the war and whose only crime was to love a man outside her marriage. Daemon most evil act was a response to the violent and coward murder of prince Lucerys. Lucerys, poor thing, stabbed Aemond just to save his brother since Aemond was about to smash his head with a rock. Jacaerys was going to be such a noble and good king, we can see by the way he joined allies who fought for him even after his and his mother death, he also died to protect his younger brother. Rhaenys fought bravely against two dragons and died like a G, she alone with her dragon was able to seriously injure Aegon II and his dragon, her only mistake (in the show) was not murdering the greens when she got the chance. Baela and Rhaena fought bravely for their family.
Also, it means a lot when the honorable and noble Starks fight for your cause and the Lannisters fight against it (and I love the Lannisters in Game of Thrones more than the Starks)
Anyway, I don't mind people who like the Greens just stop being hypocritical and pretending they are saints, they are not
#game of thrones#house of the dragon#house targaryen#rhaenyra targaryen#daemon targaryen#jacaerys velaryon#lucerys velaryon#rhaenys targaryen#alicent hightower#otto hightower
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About the Great Council of 101 AC
Is it just me or does it bother anyone else the changes the show did about the Great Council of 101? Like, Rhaenys was passed over when her father died in 92, that was it. 101 was about Viserys and Laenor, and if a woman could pass the 'right' to inherite the IT to their male children. Laenor lost, 20 to 1. They run away from the point to make it meaningless.
I don't think the Great Council was Jaehaerys being weak, this guy is literally remembered and regarded as a wise and smart King, he consulted with his son, an Archmaester over the topic.
It has already being established that a women can not inherit, there is more than one precedent in their brief history to this point: Rhaena, the eldest daughter of Aenys, was passed over; Aerea, the named heiress of Maegor, was passed over; Daenerys, lost her position as heir the moment Aemon was born; Rhaenys, had no brother, so she was passed over in favor of her uncle, who already had two male heirs.
This all created a precedent. No woman shall inherit, no matter if she's the eldest daughter, the only daughter, or the named heir, as long as there is a male relative(brother, uncle or cousin).
There is not much sense in the Great Council of 101, Baelon the heir died, sad, but he had two sons, logically, his sons come next. What could have motivated the Great Council? This was not about the lords, not about giving them power, this was about family.
The Baratheons, who at this point, were family, Boremond and Jocelyn were Jaehaerys youngest half-siblings, and Jocelyn is Rhaenys mother, they are unhappy that he 'displaced' Rhaenys as heir; and Corlys a ambitions man who wants his blood in Jaehaerys throne, he married Rhaenys believing he would 'rule' as King Consort, and this was taken from him, and he is also unhappy that his wife was displaced as heir. This is about resolving the problem that the Baratheons and Velaryons could be in the future.
SO, here we have King Jaehaerys indulging them, let's pretend they stand a chance, but all must agree to the result, no more disatisfaction, no more nagging, no fight. The Council serves to: put Rhaenys, the Velaryons and the Baratheons in their place without being to upfront about it (it's also a humiliation, but oh, well); to show his family, look this is the position of our subjects, they don't want a woman ruling over them, to force it upon them would't go nicely(20x1, this is a shit ton of lords against); to create another precedent: a woman can't pass the 'right' to the Iron Throne to a son.
By the end of the Great Council what has been plainly estabilished by Jaehaerys? No woman can rule, no matter what, and the right to rule can't be passed through her to her children.
Jaehaerys estabilishes once and for all a agnatic succession. He secures the throne for Viserys with these proceeds and then, four years later, Viserys fucks up, spits in everyone's face, and names Rhaenyra as heir.
Rules and laws do not apply to him. He's the law. He's the King.
Yeah, Rhaena, Aerea, Daenerys, Rhaenys were not usurped! It was rightful!
Their situation was not that different from Rhaenyra's but somehow oh, poor Rhaenyra, but no one even care or remembers about all those that came before. Is laughble that Rhaenys would fight and die for Rhaenyra, for the daughter of the man who usurped her throne.
Jaehaerys did everything as to not look like a hypocritical usurper, only for his grandson to come and commit precisely the stupidity he tried to avoid.
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