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Always wanted to make this, and here it is. A bloody fucking post-ironic meme
Also... I drew Kieran's clothes wrong. Srryyy
Special credits to Du-buk, Twisted doctor and the Martin Walls himself yyaaayyy
#meme#8:11#8:11 vittorino#martin walls#the walten files#pokemon kieran#indigo disk#mystery#doll eyes#the lion king#lion king scar#black christmas#billy lenz#oc#post irony
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if nautical nonsense be something yuo wish (GIOR NO GIOVA NA)
#jjba#fartwork#vento aureo#jojos bizarre adventure#golden wind#jjba part 5#giorno giovanna#spongebob squarepants#irony#post irony#double fandom lingerie
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Sincerity and Irony
People are getting sick of irony. The self-aware one-liners of the MCU were once refreshing but have worn out their welcome. (“Marvel One-Liners” is now a buzzword for lazy or cliched writing.) Shit like HBO’s Velma is being described as “too snarky for its own good.”
The problem is that its lazy, or its so ubiquitous that it’s boring, but its also that this type of self-conscious comedy sabotages any sense of sincerity, suggesting that writers are embarrassed to be telling this type of story.
With the advent of postmodernism in the 60s, irony dominated entertainment and was pivotal in exposing the hypocrisies of issues like the Vietnam war. Television adopted a self-depreciating, ironic attitude to make viewers feel smarter than the naive public, and flatter them into continued watching.
Irony, sarcasm, snark, absurdist humor, etc, are all great for ripping off the mask and revealing the unpleasantness underneath. But once all the unpleasant realities are exposed, the illusions debunked, what’s next?
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The Onion’s spoof of an Applebee’s campaign, encouraging hipsters to visit the restaurants “ironically” in order to mock the food, service and atmosphere. Then a second ad campaign, encouraging middle-age adults to go to Applebees to mock the hipsters.
Neither group is actually happy about what is going on. The Onion video points out that irony and formality have become the same thing. At one time, irony revealed hypocrisies, but now it simply acknowledges one’s cultural compliance and familiarity with pop culture. Rebellion has been annexed by the commercialism it attempts to defy.
From David Foster Wallace:
Anyone with the heretical gall to ask an ironist what he actually stands for ends up looking like an hysteric or a pig. And herein lies the oppressiveness of institutionalized irony, the too-successful rebel: the ability to interdict the question without attending to its subject is, when exercised, tyranny. It [uses] the very tool that exposed its enemy to insulate itself
HBO’s Velma can’t joke about how teen drama lures in viewers with gratuitous sexuality and nudity while simultaneously trying to lure in viewers with a gratuitous locker room shower scene. It doesn’t matter if you’re ironically eating at Applebees or sincerely eating at Applebees, you’re still eating at Applebees.
The irony isn’t exposing any hard truths about the world we live in, it’s not rebellious at all, it’s simply pointing out its own willing compliance. Its defending itself from criticism by making the observation about itself before someone else does.
It’s sly, its disingenuous, its pseudo-sincerity. As David Foster Wallace puts it, “irony and ridicule are entertaining and effective, but at the same time, they are agents of great despair and stasis in US culture.”
The distinctive feature of satire, the thing that separates it from other forms of humor and that makes it defensible, is that it is a narrative means of presenting an argument against something that the satirist finds objectionable. Irony actually needs to be balanced out by sincerity or else what is the point?
This is also my problem with shows like South Park and the philosophy of “making fun of everything equally.” Roger Ebert on Team America World Police said this: “I wasn’t offended by the movie’s content so much as by its nihilism. At a time when the world is in a crisis and the country faces an important election, the response of Parker, Stone, and company is to sneer at both sides -- indeed, at anyone who takes the current world situation seriously.”
But now, all we seem to want to do is keep ridiculing stuff. Post modern irony and cynicism just become an end to itself. This is cringe culture. This is CinemaSins. No one wants to talk about redeeming what’s wrong, or even enjoying what you like, because you risk just coming across as sentimental and naive to the weary ironists. Irony becomes a cage.
I won’t go into this too much, but this is also the problem with trying to satirize hate groups, racists, nazis, etc.
It reminds me of a lot of the ways in which transphobic people are ridiculed because they don’t seem to understand what pronouns are. Example, “GOP candidate roasted on twitter after calming there are no pronouns in the constitution.”
But we all already know her statement isn’t about grammar - what she is actually saying that trans people don’t belong in America.
Pointing out her grammatical mistake doesn’t expose what’s under the mask, it redirects our attention to the mask. But we already know what’s under the mask.
Imani Barbarin puts it best in this tik tok response to the video “John Stewart obliterates Oklahoma State Senator Nathan Dahm.” In Barbarin’s words “Republicans and alt right largely do not care if they are hypocrites. They’re not concerned if they’re seen as liars.” “The space that we are in has shifted so far right that we forget they want to kill people. The debate is over.”
We are not dealing with rational or reasonable people. They are just fascists who want a group of people dead.
1920s Germany had an active queer nightlife scene. Cabaret performances often satirized politics and the Nazi politics. They were entertaining, I’m sure they were empowering, but satire didn’t stop the Nazis.
I started writing this, because I found this quote from an interview with Howard Ashman that i think is really interesting:
“Little Shop of Horrors satirizes many things: science fiction, ‘B’ movies, musical comedy itself, and the the Faust legend. “Little Shop of Horrors satirizes many things: science fiction, ‘B’ movies, musical comedy itself, and the the Faust legend. There will, therefore, be a temptation to play it for camp and low-comedy. This is a great and potentially fatal mistake. The script keeps its tongue firmly in cheek, so the actors should not. Instead, they should play with simplicity, honesty, and sweetness--even when events are at their most outlandish. The show’s individual “style” will evolve naturally from the words themselves and an approach to acting and singing them that is almost child-like in its sincerity and intensity. By way of example, Audrey poses like Fay Wray from time to time. But she does this because she’s in genuine fear and happens to see the world as her private ‘B’ movie--not because she’s “commenting” to the audience on the the silliness of her situation. Having directed the original New York production of Little Shop myself, and subsequently having seen it in many versions and even many languages, I can vouch for the fact that when Little Shop is at its most honest, it is also at its funniest and most enjoyable.”
The bold highlights are mine.
It would have been very easy for this film to try and deflate the silliness and strangeness of its own set pieces. But instead of winking at the camera and pointing out how stupid it all is, it challenges us to invest in its world and take its characters seriously.
I think that there is still a place for irony, and that irony can still be done in radical and exhilarating ways. But I think in our current landscape, the real risk-takers and rebels are the sincere - those who risk the eye rolls, the yawns, accusations of naivete or sentimentality or melodrama. We need songs and stories that are real and sincere and empathetic. We need to fortify ourselves against nihilism and hatred.
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this image is so old it has my old brand on it
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Random but genial quote that accidentally came to my mind.
It's kinda sad, that Theresa's popularity in the fandom, was mostly caused by her crush on Randy. Sad but true.
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Trashy Clothing SS24 “Bourgeoisie, Mufflers, and Oil”
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the redditor dies when exposed to post-irony. the hopepunker shrivels in a state of prolonged agony, unable to comprehend a work that blends the sweet and the bitter into a heterogenous slurry. Postmodernism is fundamentally capitalist, and thus fundamentally fascist. Nothing is true, nothing is new, nostalgia is your lifeblood, irony your people's (volk) opioid. A stalinist market economy. The communist liberals. A vomitous sludge of "Well that just happened" and reference humour. Nothing stands on its own. There is no ubermensch, there are no great works, shit and piss are relative. A flashgistz-esque funko pop-infused meaningless sensefeed of llm "humor", propaganda, corecore sinnyma of neodarkwavegaze drone music played over shitty neomemes, reactionary incels shouting at you to k!|| y0ur53|f, postfurry postgatachalife heat animations produced by child pedozoophiles who are prophesized to be martyred by their 13th birthday like a fvkking christian saint. Babyfvkkers and degenerates look upon this cruel.new.world, and they terminate the wordlife.
#original writing#postmodernism#post irony#creative writing#fanfic#cruelty squad#drama#voor.txt#vomitcore#nick land#fanged noumena
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Hi. Im Jalex Aones and Trump did 9/11 . No, I didn't misspeak.
We can't let him run radicalize all over the white house.
Balenciaga is funded by clans members.
Red pill influencers are secretly nazis and they have meetings behind the scenes to indoctrinate the youth into being school shooters.
SS.
What imagery do those two letter together invoke? 'Super Soldiers' it's a traditional supremists dog whistle. They alt-right have adopted those letters as symbolism for their new war on the education system. SS means 'school shooter' to them now. This agenda is being ran by all parts of the deep red state. It goes all the way up to the top with Trump. are all backing in one way or another. Tucker Carlton. That Boring Daily Wire Dude. Chiya Raichic they're all conspiring together. They are planning to form a re education program to brainwash us all into reverting back to the 1950s where they say "America Will Be Great Again".
This was their plan from day one! The truth is out there. Those Jan 6th rallies were over them thinking Truml was signaling for a revolution. Because he was. They are 100 percent going to try it again.
Trumps supporters are all rabbit brainwashed radical nationalists starving for change. If they lock Trump up they will try to start a Civil War. If he loses the Election they will start a revolutionary war. If Trump wins he will start WIII.
They've planned this out to where they will get a war one way or another. Wake up woke people.
Get this message out don't let them silence us.
#wake up#this is my 9/11#election 2024#qanon conspiracy#conspiracy theories#anarchism#bash the fash#anti trump#progressive politics#politics#worried#this is not a joke#this is not a drill#9/11 mention#9/11 joke#alex jones#dank memes#vote blue#no war#stop project 2025#we need help#socialist revolution#tumblr#jan 6th#fuck trump#the left#the truth#post irony#this is a joke#im not crazy
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Astarion is the single best example of post irony in popular media but nobody is ready to talk about it.
#im not using the right words for tumblr to get it#and maybe its my broken brain trying to fit everything into my warped world view#but ive just never seen a character (since centricide) fully encapsulate what its like to be so sick with irony#and i know thats the wrong word sorta#but not at all#its a sorta “you had to be there” thing to understand what i say when i mean irony#jreg fans get it#post irony#3rd layer irony#jreg#bg3#baldur's gate 3#baulders gate astarion#astarion#i sound insane and i know that#but its 4am#cut me slack#and when i say “jreg fans”... i mean a certain group of people that i knew thru that community#this is a fucking incomprehensible take to everyone but about a dozen people
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life used to be so simple when these were trending memes
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post-irony headcanons… he probably uses neopronouns tbh and i think being the embodiment of post-irony kinda messes with his head (unstable sense of self — BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER) what i’m saying is . he has bpd 😇😇😇 he’s so cute i want to eat him. he’s so pretentious like he thinks he’s soo cool cuz he’s ironic (except post-irony is the return to sincerity so like he’s not even really ironic tbh) can you guys tell i have autism
#lore drop#i have bpd autism and schizoaffective disorder#’you shouldn’t reveal your mental health conditions online’ ok i will though#they make me based#ancom.txt#post irony
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On Lecturing, Mansplaining, and The Way We Seek Information
What I find profoundly tiring about the senseless perversion of the conversational maxims nowadays is the seemingly insatiable urge for people to lecture others. Doubly so on the internet. I think this is somewhat of a new endeavour in everyone's repertoire, a honest to god brand new learned behaviour in the communal melting pot.
Of course, lecturing someone implies that there is some sense of superiority and of ego. One believes that the other could benefit with having something explained to them, so they do so with a sense of complete entitlement and with no consideration of one's receptiveness towards such an act. I see slighter examples of this online, like under interviews with rather oratorically gifted people like Orson Welles. Just here and there, someone will have isolated some pleasant and articulate phrase as one of the many comments. This in and of itself is not a bad thing - sententiae are after all fit for purpose. What is not to share? These individuals, however, cannot help themselves by just highlighting what they find pleasant to the ear, but the feel obligated to comment further on how "this is some advice a lot of young people can benefit from" or "this is a valuable lesson for everybody to learn right there". How observant. That these are words that the elusive "I" has deemed valuable - words that souls of perceived lesser taste ought to immediately apply. Of course, this seems innocent enough, but to me it speaks to a much larger shift in the way we perceive others and appreciate information.
Surely, if we are listening to or reading the same material, and we then come across the same sententia, which is evidently universally applicable to all facets of the human condition, something that everyone should and ought know, then why surmise that everyone else has somehow missed it. Why belittle the intelligence of your fellow man by acting as if your own intellectual facets are somehow better attuned to what is considered tasteful or profound. If the sententia is truly what you say it is, then shouldn't it be evident to the recipient without further elaboration on why this particular fragment is of vital importance for our species.
There is a whole industry of people who have essentially created a career putting together listicles of advice or quotes from famous people. Just the other day I came across a video, which was roughly about ten or so minutes, which essentially revolved around listing three sentences that were supposedly uttered by Ernest Hemingway, as advice to aspiring writers. This was of course padded for length and supported by several metric tons of visuals and calls to action, which as you might imagine could be a wholly different and lengthy topic of discussion.
Yet, surely if I were to seek wisdom from the greats, then I would seek it out myself. That I would find meaning in their work or conversations they had had with their peers, rather than some montage bereft of all context.
The film critique industry has essentially morphed from mostly critique, analysis, and conspicuous marketing, into a factory for ready-made opinion pieces, which viewers eat up wholesale and regurgitate instead of indulging whatever thoughts they might have on the particular film. Dozens upon dozens of "Ending Explained" videos and articles, where people are given objective answers to subjective questions. Works to which many flock to immediately upon the credits rolling, just so there isn't any shred of ambiguity left. Not immediately knowing or being confused causes people to feel excluded from the group - excluded from people that can somehow explain - people who are perhaps confident enough to state their opinion at all, regardless of the consequences, in a way that to the rest of society looks like expertise and some higher sense of wisdom.
We're essentially begging each other to remove all doubt. To blindly trust in the loudest voices of our generation. Not doing so might open one up to being wrong or to being misinformed. In the court of public opinion, those are seen as grievous acts. How dare you not be aware that this is the case! Aren't you a fool!
This makes people afraid to share their thoughts and encourages a capriciously Orwellian exercise in doublethink. The environment which allowed for there to be the public's opinion and the private opinion is slowly being eroded. Conversing on a topic might seem fruitless when there is a video on the topic, which can be shared instead. The material doesn't contain the point - it is the point.
There is not innate reward in being able to synthesise your own thoughts any more. It's much easier to be indifferent after all. It's much easier to plead media illiteracy than it is to open oneself to ridicule. Expressing positivity or negativity towards a work might alienate you from the diametrically opposed group after all. Taste is prescribed, not cultivated.
Recently, I've been coming across a lot of media that mentions mansplaining - the act of a man explaining something, typically to a woman, in a manner seen as patronizing. I feel that that too is a symptom, or at least a more common example of what I'm seeing. In a sense, we want to perceive others' passions and interests as fundamentally their own and as non-transferable. There is no way of opening someone's eyes to something your hold dear without shoving it down their throat or presenting it as the rule of thumb. It creates this inane sense that the people around you are somehow less intelligent and less receptive to things, which you consider to be, of finer taste. That in and of itself motivates people to lecture and to present themselves as holier than thou. To present the information in a way that is mimetically palatable. If a lot of people believe something, then it must be correct. And if it is correct then it must be what people believe.
This kind of reasoning is indeed very democratic, but is liable to a vocal minority controlling the narrative and essentially prescribing what the majority opinion of a work will be. Worryingly so, this isn't even entirely isolated to fiction. News and information has become too plentiful and too difficult to sift through, so we flock to simple, pre-chewed, and condensed information, where some supposedly learned figure has handily decided what is important and what isn't for us. Being informed is becoming an exercise of trust in others, rather than a search for an objective truth.
Needless to say, what I am advocating for is for you to exercise self-restraint when it comes to satisfying your lust for information or the need to elucidate it in others. Form views of your own, before comparing them to those representing the zeitgeist. Do not seek to eradicate the views of others, so that you might substitute them with your own. Seek understanding in what you perceive as wrong. Question everything, including yourself, the views of those closest to you, and the views of those you deem wisest and most eloquent. Post-modernism is an exercise in individuality, and as we slowly move into an era of post-irony I feel it is going to become ever so important, if not more. In a very meta-modernist way, you might even choose to ignore my assumptions, which would also be valid. Are we there yet? You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment.
#conversational maxims#linguistics#sociology#philosophy#critical thinking#mansplaining#ending explained#creative nonfiction#essay#human behaviour#random observations#orwellian#post irony#metamodernism
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bop it recorded at dwell
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inspiration of the day from my dear shooter, this is the mantra for total self induced narcissistic tendencies (healthy)
#shooter#twitter#gf#tfw no gf#forever alone#marie#sam hyde#mike ma#post irony#shooter music#incelcore#lonely#funny memes#dank memes#tumblr memes#best memes#relatable memes#lol memes#daily memes#meme#meme humor#dankest memes#red pill#controversy#egirl#gamer#bpd and ecstasy
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