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Casual reminder that not everyone experiences mental illness and trauma the same way, and there is no "correct" way to do so.
Doing your best not to hurt others is all I'll ever ask of anyone.
Also, if the way other people cope is hurting you, then you need to stop engaging with it. What comforts one person may devastate another, and that doesn't make either of you wrong.
You just need to take care of yourself, and take what responsibility you reasonably can for your own mental health. On the flip side, of course, people need to do their due diligence in making their stuff filterable. I'm never going to say "don't look at it" when the content wasn't avoidable.
Buhh buhh pretty standard stuff, but whatev.
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If someone says that they are neutral on ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.
If someone says they don't feel like they have enough information to have a solid opinion on ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.
If someone says they are uncomfortable with ship discourse, this does not mean that they secretly agree with the side you oppose.
Discourse is draining. It can be stressful or downright triggering to engage with. Someone choosing not to engage with discourse is not a moral failing, and it does not mean that they don’t care.
#peacefic#ship discourse#fiction discourse#proship#antiship#ship neutral#neuship#neufic#anti discourse#proship discourse#discourse
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Antishippers: Pros want to hurt kids
Proshippers: I do not but look over at that radqueer guy
Radqueer guy: I want to hurt kids
Antishippers: *silence*
TRUE AS FUCK. i do not want to generaluze this as all antishippers because i am funny neutral man (ive known some awesome antis, horrible antis, awesome pros, horrible pros) but yeah. this happens so much
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MEW STIMBOARD
I got the gifs on pinterest credit to whoever made the stim gifs
Neutralship and peacefic users please interact! Also stimboard requests are open! ^_^
#neutralshippers#neutralship safe space#neutralshipper#neufic#neutralshipping#neuship#neutralship#neutral ship#cartoon stim#stimboard#anti harassment#pokemon stimboard#peacefic#neutral-ship#ship neutral
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This new term I discovered is such a breath of fresh air. Peacefic, coined by @peacefiction.
God, yes, thank you. Holy crap.
Please, if people want to use this, use it right?? I like my labels to mean something. I can't comfortably call myself proship anymore because it doesn't signify the same thing to literally anyone. I have to reasonably assume that there's a significant amount of people who would genuinely think I'm just calling myself a MAP (I'm not -_-). Like, that's just how it is now. I can't change that. That is the reality of how that label is perceived.
I might start going with neutral/neuship/neufic anyway because I've um, discovered stuff about myself (and about antis) recently. And at least the word neutral is like, meant to be vague? That's fine?
The peacefic ideals are the most important to me. If I tell someone I'm peacefic proship, it should immediately disqualify the connotation of the creep who supports literally everything, even exploitative fiction, and the label combo should also keep the "fiction doesn't equal reality 1:1" thing.
But again I still might not even use anymore proship synonyms for myself because they're going to get fucked by the same problem where my label is meant to give people a quick idea of my beliefs, but it fails to do that and puts a target on me.
Not that I'm the center of the universe or anything. I'm kinda just ranting to the void.
Also this is like completely a shower thought, so feel free to disregard it as me being obsessed with labels and compartments actually, like that's true regardless if I have a point or not lmao—
Why haven't I been calling the types of antis and the types of proshippers I really REALLY don't like "rad-shippers"? Like, we already have this kinda tier-list I've been seeing of inclus, radinclus, and then radqueer. And those terms make sense to me.
So yeah, like...
Proshippers that can't fucking handle criticism of media or how we engage with it, who support explicit rpf of minors, who are free speech absolutists, who jump onto any post that possibly states a dislike for their kink and antagonizes the OP, who think it's okay to trigger antis on purpose, etc.... rad-proshippers.
Antis who think depiction = endorsement no matter what, who think every kink and ship is a direct line to your most raw beliefs and intentions, who think having taboo fictional interests like incest ships or whatev makes you a morally reprehensible person, who reject critical thinking about how and why a story may be insensitive, and/or who think it's okay to harass people for their tagged, properly filtered, or private dark smut... rad-antis.
I dunno! I think it fits. Hell, even ignoring any mention of harassment: I'm so sick of antis who push the narrative that you must NECESSARILY be morally bankrupt and/or predatory for having a rape kink or something, and I'm so sick of proshippers who jump out of their skin at the mere mention of criticism/responsibility and shut down discussions of it.
We're just weirdos on the internet! Just because one person says "I think things should be like this" doesn't mean it WILL be like that if you don't Challenge™ them, and also it doesn't even necessarily mean that person wants the authority to make all their opinions enforceable! I dunno man.
I'm going through a metamorphosis lmao.
#shipping discourse#fandom discourse#anyone can interact#just don't be a dick#peacefic#neufic#neuship#neutralship#starrspeaks#anti vs. pro stuff
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neuship (or neutral ship. or idfc-ship.)
i needed a flag for myself so here 🙀 i’m the 2nd meaning. i have my own opinions this will be the only label i take on
this is a flag for either a) someone with no opinion on proship v antiship or b) someone who doesn’t want a label / thinks the discourse is dumb
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I love when you fall for a character and start coming up with ideas for how the two of you meet and soon it evolves into a complex narrative between you two which gets so deep and automatic that it changes the way you view the character in their canon source material ♡
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yeah... :(
i'm not a proshipper but i'm not one to judge how someone else copes with things, everyone is different and even if their way of coping is ""bad"" and ""harmful"", it's not really hurting anyone else physically.
and i'm "asking" this anonymously rather than responding unanonymously because i just don't want to be harassed by antis for simply not hating proshippers (they're people too, do antis forget about that??)
The thing with proship/anti ship spaces is that they both just hate it when you don't ship their ship.
A proshipper on Twitter got harassed for shipping Claude x Sebastian instead of Sebaciel.
You could actually make the argument that Claude x Sebastian is more problematic than Sebaciel.
But because its not Sebaciel she got DECIMATED.
It's just a giant ship war and like all ship wars you can't win
Both sides bring morality into it
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I've been noticing a pattern. Several years ago, there was a very dark and controversial manhwa called Killing Stalking, and because of its dark content and how the protagonist was manipulated by someone he liked, people condemned the series and the fandom was stigmatized as a bunch of people condoning abuse among other heinous acts. Now there's a video game called The Coffin of Andy and Leyley that's getting the same treatment because of moments of cannibalism and incest in the story (but most people either don't know about the cannibalism, or somehow think people will only be affected by seeing incest, but not the cannibalism). This isn't really new, considering Boomers have always claimed violent video games make violent people and stuff like that, but this situation is slightly different because it's mostly minors and young adults on the internet discussing it. People are going to be misinformed and manipulated, and the misinformation will spread fast because the web connects billions of people, and the consequences will be people being stigmatized as abusers and reported for things they never did. That isn't to say it's the end of the world, but there will be people suffering because of someone else's poor media literacy, or lack thereof. Point is, I'm seeing a pattern, and it's a pattern worth noting.
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Intro Post + DNI
Hi, I'm Disaster (I don't have a pseudonym at the moment)
I'm 18, Black, Autistic and a Weeb. I tend to post whatever I like and I tend to switch hyperfixitionals, so don't expect much consistency.
I'm a cis girl and my pronouns are she/her. I'm on the asexual spectrum
I tend to just post shit posts, In once in a blue moon I post art.
Here's some ground rules before you interact
DNI
Basic criteria: Terfs (yes, that means Radfems), Nazis, Racist, (NO)Maps/Pedo, Truscum, Gender critical, Swerfs
Blmatsu (I would like for my oso stuff to not be associated with incest, thank you)
Kink/Ddlp (Nothing personal, I just want to stay mainly safe for work)
On a side note, I may reblog saucy and suggestive stuff from time to time. So no minors or ageless blogs either.
Kodocon (Look, I'm not going to say, you're a pedo or something but that stuff just makes me uncomfy)
If you come here to preach on why I should go back to being christian (I'm ex christian for a reason)
I occasionally post Killing Stalking (no, I don't ship Sangbum) and Hetalia content, so if that makes you uncomfortable feel free to block.
I'm not really into ship discourse outside of my basic icks (1nc3st, p3d0philia, @buse, shipping real people). I believe in just being critical of the work and respecting others people's opinions. Personally, I don't care what you watch or ship, just don't be a prick or shove it in my face.
That's about it for now
#Intro post#Dni#Blmatsu dni#minors dni#neuship#ex christian#anti terf#Anti radfem#blog intro#pinned post#introduction post#terf dni#food//
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I often see people who are neutral on the matter just seem to thinking that are above it all and talk about anyone who cares or is interested in the topic as cringe weirdos.
I like to call it arrogant apathy
I fully hate that attitude as well. I feel like the word "neutral" has a connotation of not caring, but when I call myself "neutral", it just means that I don't completely align with one side and can criticize both while still having my own strong stances on the various topics that come up. I certainly care a LOT, to the point that it hurts sometimes, and I suppose "neutral" isn't a good description of that.
But yeah, I definitely agree that people who turn up their nose and mock us for caring about this are obnoxious. I recognize that many of us care too much, to a point that this "discourse" takes over our lives, and I think that's unhealthy. But I also understand why it keeps ending up like that.
It's hard not to care once you've witnessed so many people who ARE minding their own business and not investing themselves in discourse getting their lives screwed with anyway, because someone saw fit to punish them for what they do in their own spaces. I've tried many times to stop caring, but I cannot.
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Whether someone is an anti or a proshipper tells you almost nothing about them.
So, you're an anti. What do you consider to be too problematic? How big of an age gap is too big? Do you think that childhood friends are "basically siblings?" Where do you set the line between a relationship with some issues that need to be worked out & an abusive one? Do you think ships with a rocky past are incapable of changing and treating each other well in the future? Do you post hate or gore in the tags of problematic ships? Do you think proshippers deserve to be harassed? Do you think proshippers deserve to die?
So, you're a proshipper. Do you consider shipping real people to be included under proship? Do you bully minors for being uncomfortable with underage sexual fiction? Do you respect other people's triggers, or do you insult them for "not being able to tell the difference between fiction and reality?" Do you believe it's important to tag content warnings correctly, or do you think antis deserve to be triggered by unexpected problematic content? Are you genuinely anti-harassment, or do you consider antis fair game to harass? Do you think antis deserve to die?
Picture two people, called A and B. A and B are both antis. A and B are both against problematic fiction, such as depictions of incest, noncon, pedophilia, and abuse. However, B ships two characters that are 17 and 19 years old, respectively. These characters are childhood friends in canon. A calls out B for liking pedophilia and incest. A calls B "secretly proship."
Picture two people, called C and D. C and D are both proshippers. C and D both support the creation and consumption of problematic fiction. However, D is triggered by pedophilia and incest, including in fiction. D puts these topics on their blacklist and requests that accounts that post those topics do not interact with them. C mocks D for their triggers and tells them to "grow up and learn how to separate fiction from reality." C calls D "an anti."
There is no universal standard for problematic fiction. There is no universal standard of antis or proshippers.
#peacefic#proship#anti#antiship#anti ship#proshipper#pro ship#proshipping#proship discourse#anti discourse#antishipping#antishipper#proship please interact#antis please interact#comship#neufic#neuship#comfic#comship please interact#profic#pro fiction#anti anti
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hi all heres some of the pr/oship tags that i filter out!! feel free to add them to your filters as well :3
i know i should censor them to keep this post out of search results but thats a lot of effort if ur adding them to your list so fuck it, we ball
list under the cut!
#anti anti
#anti censorship
#anti harassment
#anti wank
#anti-anti
#anti-fanpol
#anti-harass
#antianti
#antis dni
#antis dont interact
#complicated shipper
#comship
#comshipping
#fiction is not reality
#neuship
#pro fiction safe
#pro selfship
#pro ship
#pro ship safe
#pro shippers please interact
#proshippers please interact
#pro shipping
#profiction
#proselfship
#Proselfshipping
#proship
#proship friendly
#proship only pls
#proship safe
#proship self ship
#Proship selfship
#proshipper
#proshippers
#proshipping
#Selfproship
#Selfship proship
#ship and let ship
#wank
#ok will turn anons off for now ghjfdkgf#idk what fa/npol is but i saw them use it#also vaguely understand what a w/ank is
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So, basically, this antishipper created a meme on TikTok stating that they were planning to harass and make death threats to proshippers. I replied that harassment and death threats are unlawful, and they continued to be total jerk, so I told them to act this way towards me, and then they asked for my discord, and they threatened to say horrible things to me. I was going to explain why it's incorrect, but I decided to give the bee movie script instead because they were going to utter stupid nonsense like that. I assumed they were kid but they weren't since they stated I was four years younger than them.
Later on, they convinced a friend to add me to a group so they could both harass me. I asked why they had their buddy do that, and they urged me to kill myself. They also claimed they were going to show me how to tie a knot so I could kill myself.
I asked why they were saying horrible things to me and bothering me, and they told me I supported pedos, which I don't.
I'm at school and can't submit any more images because Discord doesn't work here; nevertheless, I will release the remaining screenshots.
Keep in mind, I'm not proship or antiship I'm peacefic and neutralship now
Also, check the reblogs if you want more proof.
I’m blue
I was 16 when they said this shit to me I'm now 17
The user who’s harassing me is red
Tw death threats, tw racism, tw suibaiting, tw ableism, tw incest mention,
#cyberbullying#tw trigger warning#tw death threats#anti receipts#tw suibaiting#ship discourse#neutralship#neufic#call out post#shipping discourse#neutral ship#ship discussion#neutralshippers#neutralshipper#neutralshipping#neutralship culture#neuship#Cw antis
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THIS BLOG IS ANTI RADQUEER AND ANTI CONTACT
Pinned wip, welcome to an anti radqueer, anti contact paraphile culture is blog! I, Mod Shark use shi/kyu pronouns and am part of the big 3! Stances include anti contact, menheraqueer, anti radqueer, peacefic neuship
Posting may be very slow due to physical disability and plurality, please dont name any paras that would cause harm if acted upon in asks, last time i allowed that i got accused of being pro-abuse pro-c 🥲
No dni aside from if your: pro-c, xenosatanist/any sublabel, radqueer or anti recovery for paraphilic disorders.
#🌐 — ★ culture asks#🌐 — ★ resources#🌐 — ★ not culture asks#🌐 — ★ questions#paraphile safe#paraphilia#paraphile community#anti contact#anti radqueer#pro para
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Isn't it funny how when rad-antis do their cute little "PSA" thing, and their target tries to defend/explain themself, the ones doing the callouts take common, true, scientifically-backed statements and call them "red flags"?
I've seen so many posts going "Oh god guys, we'd better watch out for this dangerous person. 😨" and their evidence is just a screenshot of the "Fiction doesn't equal reality" bullet on their profile/Carrd, or a similar statement in a rebuttal against claims that they're a Literal Child Rapist™ because of their Pixiv bookmarks.
Like, "how DARE you say the most obvious response to the garbage I'm spewing that's been debunked time and time again?" Next, they'll be saying that citing doctors and professionals to back up their points is a "red flag". xD (I don't remember the exact wordings, but I 99% sure I've actually seen one of them say something like that.)
And okay... to play devil's advocate, this makes sense when you consider, for example, how phrases like "free speech" and "anti censorship" mean very different things coming from a Conservative vs. a Progressive, and those are also simple concepts that I think should be supported for their true meanings, but it still looks quite ridiculous when you start saying that phrases like "anti-harassment" and "fiction ≠ reality 1:1" are "proship dogwhistles", as if there is no context in which those statements have any merit.
(and then I started ranting)
❝ No, of course, only CHILD PREDATORS think that abusing and bullying people is wrong, because the ONLY time anybody ever gets bullied is when they've done something to DESERVE it, right?? There are no people on this earth who hurt innocents. Justice is always served. Therefore, "anti-harassment" is a pro-abuser stance! ❞ /s
❝ And obviously "fiction ≠ reality" is always code for "I just really like Stonetoss comics and drawing porn of child actors, but those are just pictures, so they don't mean anything!" It's definitely not like many people who make the former statement would immediately recoil in disgust and block anyone who uses it that way. Nah, we're all just secret predators who formed a club where we worship sexual abuse and bigotry. ❞ /sss
See, that, up there, is why I've started specifically referring to "radical antis" because they ACTUALLY embody these extreme stances, and they have repeatedly blown my mind with how exaggerated they can be, but they're 100% serious.
If you're an anti and the above obnoxious strawman doesn't apply to you, you may very well be just fine. But I'm really just tired of essentialist dickheads spear-heading one harassment campaign after another in the name of "reducing harm", and sadly those people take your genuine beliefs and warp them to create those situations.
I'm sorry you have to be associated with them tbh! /gen
I genuinely don't know how things ended up like this, but unfortunately there are people with genuine, valid concerns about fiction's affect on reality who aren't being taken seriously because a bunch of abusers take those concerns and mangle them until they're unrecognizable, probably on purpose so they can justify torturing other people for fun.
Sad day for survivors all across the board, huh? :/
#anti vs. pro stuff#rant#fandom discourse#shipping discourse#peacefic#neutralship#neufic#neuship#starrspeaks#profic#proship#Idk I guess I'll use all the tags unless I'm being super critical of proshippers in the post??#ehehe extra sarcasm tone tags look like snake sounds
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