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Prev hits so hard. I remember at my past job when one of the employees was saying extremely bigoted (mainly racist and transphobic) things about other employees, including me! Everyone else who had nasty shit said about them was told but *I* wasn’t told until over a MONTH AFTER SHE HAD LEFT so the whole time they LET ME interact with someone who secretly fucking hated me because I’m trans. So fun! Isn’t like I also experienced daily transphobic and misogynistic harassment by customers as well and didn’t even pitch a fit!! Isn’t like my body was absolutely destroyed at that job for 10 bucks an hour!!! Isn’t like they also let a pedo (who would Hit On Me) work there and didn’t tell me until after he was fired!! Crazy.
#sorry I’m still so mad abt it#I remember at a meeting I nervously brought up they should’ve told me that she was being transphobic to me behind my back#and someone’s response was ‘she was bigoted to other people too’ AND YOU TOLD THEM AND NOT ME??#like I don’t wanna interact w a racist transphobe either!!!#also they treated one of the people who was also targeted by her terribly and barely told him shit either but at least he knew??#I felt so bad for him I remember when I briefed him on what happened before he came in and he thanked me because he said no one else cared#enough about him to tell him#and he wasn’t the Best worker but like. we worked min wage lol. he was very nice probably the only guy at that job that didn’t say#misogynistic shit#which is bare minimum ik but
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toby fox needs to add like a bit of narration in deltarune abt kris like "they themmed they/themily down the stheirs" cus i cant go on seeing them constantly get he/himmed in yt comment sections
#this is my punishment for actually looking at yt comments isnt it#deltarune#kris dreemurr#maybe im looking too much into things but...#it also feels sorta. misogynistic when ppl default to he/him for androgynous/non binary characters#like ive seen multiple ppl use “well its understandable that ppl assume kris is a he when they have such masculine behaviours/hobbies”#the masculine behaviours and hobbies in question are being a prankster#i shit you not#like they called pranking... masc?? huh#can girls and others not get their silly on anymore??#also like i said before with the exception of like frisk and chara like almost every nb character is masculinised#like napstablook monster kid#god there has to be more but my memory is shit atm and i also have to go eat dinner#but i wanna talk more abt like why it feels so misogynistic to me#i thinnk it has to do with the fact that defaulting to he/him just makes women feel like an afterthought. ig like unless its confirmed then#they must be a guy to be relevant or smth#and also like how much they gender entirely non gender specific things (see: pranking)#ofc it wouldnt be BETTER per se if they imagined these characters as girls but its smth ive noticed and i just get frustrated cus#it feels sexist but i cant FULLY articulate why#i feel like i had the answer a lil while ago but i forgot#i might come back to this who knows#wow ok rant over#for now
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You know, I think there's something so, so insidious to the idea that Orym's perspective of the Vanguard is "flawed/human" or that him repeatedly reminding his friends what the Vanguard does (kill innocents to achieve their means) "blocks nuance" in the conversation, etc, because it implies that, in this mythical "objective" perspective that apparently exists, the Vanguard aren't so bad. If only Orym could put aside his petty grievances, such as the murder of his father and husband, and let people be nuanced about this situation, he'd see there's two sides to this story. And why discount the Vanguard's perspective just because *checks notes* they're a massive, manipulative cult that preys on vulnerable people to join their ranks and turns them to violence, or that they work with a centuries-old fascist eugenicist literally mind-controlling psychic government with the goal of freeing a creature that could very well destroy the world as we know it and even if it doesn't, will leave an enormous power vacuum for that fascist government to potentially occupy when they invade Exandria?
I think there's some misconception people have that they think war shouldn't ever be personal and if it does become personal for someone then their logic is too clouded by their feelings to see the situation clearly, just automatically. And perhaps sometimes, in some contexts, this can be true! But not here. It's actually quite cut and dried that Orym's "flawed, human" perspective is the one reminding everyone of the human cost to Ludinus' grand plans, all in the name of so called "progress"
#not to mention so many of the people i see saying stuff like this are the first to call you misogynist for hot takes such as#''liliana seems untrustworthy and in WAY too deep in this cult in a ways that is actually genuinely scary''#i'm so serious about this you guys. this is an autoblock topic for me. if i see people talking shit they are GONE#i'm done with the orym discourse i am sick of it#thankfully i haven't seen much of it on tumblr but GOD on twitter. jesus god in motherfucking heaven#cr spoilers#not really but just in case
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When discussing things like privilege and oppression, people seem to have one of two ideas about transmasculinity depending on what suits them best at the moment. They either picture a passing masculine trans man or a femme-presenting non-binary person. Both of these prototypes are skinny and White and relatively palatable to the general public. They find it easy to paint both as basically having cis privilege anyway, just wanting to play up their oppression to make people feel bad for them or excuse their (trans)misogyny. They’ll call the former a misogynistic dangerous Aiden and the latter a basically cis theyfab. There’s no room at all for people like me, people on T but still perceived as a butch lesbian. Closeted transmascs. Intersex transmascs. Multigender transmascs. Gnc transmascs who’ll wear a beard and a dress, but are allegedly exempt from experiencing transmisogyny. And yet even those two prototypes still get discriminated against, assaulted, and killed in cold blood. But that must have been despite their male/cis privilege.
It’s funny that those narratives are so dominant. Have you considered you’re seeing transmascs as privileged because you’re only hearing from the most privileged transmascs? That the handful of skinny White transmasc youtubers and musicians and celebrities you can name only got that far because they fit the picture? But invisibility is a privilege, so I guess the rest of us should shut up and be grateful.
#you people treat transmascs like absolute dog shit and we’re just a supposed to man up and take it since we’re So Privileged Anyway#and consider that treating White as the default when considering privilege is not as fucking progressive as you think#some of us have our gender interact with our racialization. believe it or not.#transandrophobia#transphobia#misogyny#<they’ll be so misogynistic to afab nonbinary folks while probably also telling them they don’t experience misogyny since they’re not women#mine#intracommunity issues tag#long post#so much sarcasm in this to be clear
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by @magical_maru on twitter
#baghera#baghera jones#qsmp baghera#qsmp#i'm glad that cellbit took a strong approach to say ban every single person doing that harassment shit#discourse cw#<hardly. people on twitch are misogynistic weirdos -- nothing is new
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I haven't watched all of his stuff but was subscribed to James Somerton and shared some of his stuff with friends and hoooooly shit did not expect hbomb to go hog wild completely obliterating a creator I was mostly positive about. Took five minutes for me to start going "hell yes tear the bitch apart"
#im also realizing i should have maybe watched more of James shit bc the clips of him#being an absolute wild misogynist are things i havent seen and my eyebrows keep going UP#hbomberguy
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This is a Handler Appreciation Space. If you think the Handler is criminally overhated, please stand up!
#monster hunter#the handler#the handler is cute y'all are just mean#and misogynistic like SERIOUSLY the amount of people shitting on how “ugly” she supposedly is is just gross#fucking weebs I swear to god
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“im a hater at heart” and its biphobia
#was forced to see bg3 shit takes and now i am capital p Pissed#also misogyny ‘straight girls romancing astarion/modding/etc’ like#did they kill ur grandma?? or are you using ‘straight’ to justify being misogynistic to women because you dont make the same choices#and ‘this character is def gay!! no way theyr bi’ and their ‘proof’ is homophobic stereotypes#be normal
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this whole Drake situation is the equivalent to when the popular kid got exposed for sum and everybody starts to turn on him like ‘I always knew he was weird’ after enabling their shitty behavior for years lmao. Grown ass niggas acting like high school.
#cherry chats 🍒#I ain’t really care too much abt none of em tbh#just thought it was funny#like how long has he been sucking the culture dry and being a diet kite syrupy misogynist#and nobody said shit? Including kenny boy#where was that ‘you stole my culture’ bullshit for him?#or was that reserved for cardi bc his lil fellow bestie couldn’t make a hit anymore#this is why I only listen to independent artists outside of the women#they all make my coochie itch lmao#so y’all knew he was propositioning new female artsis for sex and stealing from them#y’all knew he was texting 15 year olds and attending high school bball games#but nobody said shit until *check notes* he dared call himself the top dog and y’all felt threatened?#unserious ass genre and unserious ass race of ppl I can’t dhkshdj#woke up in a haterrific mood today#as you can tell#anyways Meg I love you#you started this and had a better diss than all of them
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Honestly really pissed that the larger community cares more about someone getting banned from social media than the dead kid. One is truly small potatoes when we have children being beat to death at their own school.
I wouldn't say that it's small potatoes– tumblr has been a genuinely important place for a lot of trans people, especially trans youths. I know it was fundamental for not only realizing I was queer but also being exposed to leftist ideas for the first time. It's also an important place for social interaction for many disabled people who struggle to be able to engage with local communities. That fact that the CEO is pulling this anti-transfem shit is genuinely scary and a serious issue given how important social media is in many people's lives.
That being said, I do think that there are people on here who are not giving Nex's death the attention it deserves. And I don't want to make assumptions, but given how so many fucking people on this website have thrown around terms like "theyfab" and specifically mocked pre/no-T FTX people for being cringey and privileged and not understanding what it was like to REALLY experience violent transphobia... well. It's pretty aggravating. Regardless of what the autopsy reports will say, Nex and another trans person were beaten up in the girls bathroom (which they were forced to be in because of transphobic laws). It kind of fucks with the narrative that FTX people are whiny & "want to be oppressed."
#let's be honest the whole ''theyfab'' shit is just transtrender in a trenchcoat and sunglasses#same misogynistic exorsexism & everything#<- this is not to imply MTX people aren't also treated like shit btw#m.#ask box
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“queer spaces should be inclusive of people who don’t enjoy sex and who have “strange”, negative or repulsed relationships with sex” and “sex is an important aspect of lgbt community, history, and activism and queer people should be allowed and able to talk freely about sex without stigma or shame” are ideas that can and should coexist.
#‘queer people were banned from and shamed for having sex and that’s where a lot of our activism stemmed from’ and#‘not liking or having sex is considered abnormal and a mental illness and also needs to be destigmatized’ are concepts that not only can but#often do coalign#it’s esp important to consider that a lot of lgbt ppl who have a tricky and strained relationship with sex are like that because of trauma#which is very common for queer folks#it’s really not an ace-only thing#like i am sex repulsed but it’s very hard to discern if it’s because i’m asexual or if it’s the trauma. either way i deserve to have those#feelings and be included in lgbt spaces and discussions about sex and treated as just another queer person with a different experience#instead of being alienated because my feelings about sex don’t directly line up with yours#im so sick of people in this community trying to pit us against each other. as an ace lesbian that shit is so toxic and harmful#my relationship with sex is fluid. im sex-positive always‚ but i often find myself sex repulsed. im otherwise neutral about it but im sick#of people acting like it’s either you enjoy sex and have it frequently or you hate it and you shame everyone who has it like youre a puritan#and it’s often aphobes who bought into that ‘aces are puritanical celibate straights who want ppl who have gay sex to die or think they’re#‘dirty’ or some shit. and it was literally 90% crypto-aphobes pretending to be aces to get people to adopt that into their belief system#the same way crypto-t/rfs pretend to be trans women who want to prey on the ‘innocent women’#and y’all will use those posts/screenshots as ‘evidence’ that whatever scapegoat you’ve selected is actually inherently bad/homophobic/#misogynistic/etc and not even#acknowledge the giant hole in your logic cuz you’re too busy trying to find a scapegoat#it’s the same tactics and y’all fall for it every time#text post#like. lesbians are CONSTANTLY getting hounded and told that we’re broken or mentally i’ll for not showing interest in (having sex with) men#for the same reason asexuality is considered bad or wrong or weird#not showing interest in heterosexual relationships or sex is why this is so important#anyone that falls outside the scope of heterosexuality is part of this community whether you like it or not
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There's no way any anti who throws the "go file your taxes" insult is actually an adult, right? 'Cause an adult would know you literally only file your taxes once a year and only at a like really specific time of year usually :/
#like if you're gonna tell me to ''go do X adult task'' at least make it an adult task I have to do every day#like dishes or some shit#so you don't come off like a toddler who doesn't understand how the adult world works#I mean that's still a weak as hell insult because the dishes take at most an hour if they're particularly dirty#but at least I do that every day so it kinda makes sense#taxes are a once a year event#it's not like they need to be filed every month :/#''go take care of your children'' is wildly misogynistic so that one's not allowed either even if I had children#adults do in fact do things besides ''work taxes and make/care for babies''#like >18 antis are in for a world of backlash when they hit 18 and realise their hobbies/interests didn't suddenly disintegrate#just anti things#anti bs#proshipper safe
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leverage tv/cinematic universe where there are different shows following the different leverage international teams when
#there’s the og. there’s the koreans. there’s the nigerians mentioned in one ep#there’s the longin crew mentioned in the last ep#give me all of them#(give me london crew with eve and an alive villanelle who is making amends and doing crime for good)#dean devlin hire me pls I have so many ideas#leverage#leverage redemption#leverage international#also many of the crews have polyamorous dynamics i don’t make the rules crime is just Like That#mine#although I’m not sure I trust ppl to do a leverage movie on the big screen idk#don’t talk to me about the warrior nun movies that shit has jaded me#(pls talk to me about it I’m stressing and no one in my life has watched the show and knows my pain)#me: explaining that the saved warrior nun franchise is now going to be led by misogynists and have none of the og cast or crew#my roommate working on a puzzle: that’s rough buddy
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will when he told the police that el hitting angela with a roller skate was an accident and also when he defended her and max spying on them last summer
#and some of y'all wanna call him a misogynist smh.... he supports women's rights AND their wrongs!!!#will byers#willel#willelmax#stranger things#mine#this is a silly goofy post im not making a judgment on the angela situation jus saying tht he's a ride or die for his girlies#and even tho he was mad as fuck over el lying to mike he still kept quiet until shit escalated to the point tht he couldn't anymore#for her sake. anyway. silly goofy post. don't vague me abt it pls lord it's a Joak -_-
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Why does everyone hate skrunkly holden caulfield all he’s just a silly who has sooo much unprocessed grief and talks about how much he loves his little sister and wonders where the hell the ducks go in winter🙁💔💔
#he is NOT a misogynistic asshole manipulator he is a CHILD#haters mad bc he’s traumatized#i haven’t finished it but im about 2/3 done and he hasn’t done SHIT to deserve the male manipulator title#catcher in the rye#the catcher in the rye#holden caulfield#he did nothing wrong#classic literature#classic lit
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Having more thoughts about Shen Jiu because of course I am.
I don’t think he has the capacity for empathy or genuine selflessness.
He spent the entirety of his formative years deep in survival mode, and because of that, he evaluates people solely based off of how they might threaten or ensure his safety and/or comfort. As far as individual people themselves with their own perspectives… honestly I don’t think he even thinks of that.
Maybe a controversial opinion, but I don’t think even YQY is exempt.
Shen Jiu doesn’t have a moral code. When every day is spent on surviving, a moral code is a luxury.
And really, he just never got out of that mode. See, the thing is, once you’ve had enough adverse experiences it only takes a little bit to trigger you back into that mindset. Shen Jiu was used to being scolded and then beaten or abused, so for him, even a simple chiding is a precursor to abuse— even if he DOES recognize that nothing more will happen, his body and mental patterns will still go into that preparation time.
So of course he never left survival mode, because even if nothing is actively happening, your mind will keep reinforcing those patterns.
For someone with a normal upbringing, as far as I can tell, empathy is something you learn and develop from those around you. Many seem to think it’s something innate and natural and if you don’t have it then there’s something wrong with you from birth. I think Shen Jiu falls into exactly this category of thought— and so he doesn’t even consider that he could try to learn and develop it as a skill he can perform, even if it doesn’t come naturally.
Of course, would he even try? He hasn’t been given any incentive. Any time he has tried to do something good, he ends up getting hurt (saving Yue Qi leading to being taken by QJL) or misinterpreted and admonished (the well ghost incident, keep in mind my earlier point about scoldings perpetuating the same patterns).
So he stays in that same vicious cycle, perpetually in survival mode and unable to escape, even in a relatively secure position (see: his paranoia).
Now, this is all relevant to the discussions of SJ’s feminism, misogyny, and/or lack thereof. I feel like a lot of discussions aren’t really getting the full picture.
SJ sees people, no matter who they are, as solely how they can affect him. Just because this isn’t exclusive to women, or because if comes from a reasonable place, does that really mean it doesn’t play into misogyny?
Let’s take another angle.
I think his abuse of LBH and other talented disciples also is rooted, deep down, in this same issue. He’s not just hurting LBH only to hurt him, his aim is specifically to stunt his cultivation. There’s jealousy at play there of course, but there’s a bit more layers to it too— SJ doesn’t think he’s capable of goodness. So reasonably, he’ll be a bad teacher. He already knows what happens when someone becomes more powerful than their oppressor. LBH may be a child now, but a part of SJ whether he acknowledges it or not sees him as a future threat that needs to be treated as such.
It’s rooted in fear— because everything is with SJ.
So does that mean it’s not actually abuse?
No. The behaviors he shows are still abusive, the reasoning just gives a lens for understanding.
Now, with his views on women— I mentioned in the tags of my original post that I don’t think he views women as people. This is based in that earlier idea of how he interprets others based off their risk and benefit to him. For women specifically, though, there’s another layer.
Shen Jiu grew up in a society where women are inherently lesser— and he grew up in an extreme version of this. He saw women being treated as property firsthand(both as slaves, as well as QJL’s views on his sister). Your worldview is shaped by the world that you view during those early years. Whether he agreed or not, SJ would still take on the patterns of his environment. This, though, is just the same as general societal misogyny and ingrained bias. I don’t think he’s any different than anyone else in this way.
But where SJ’s particular flavor comes in is that to him, women are a source of comfort. For various reasons— positive past experiences, less threatening (or at least don’t carry the dangers men do). He craves comfort— needs it really, because he doesn’t get it and his cortisol levels are always so high they’re poisoning his body. Women are the best source of that comfort for him.
It’s not that he likes them— at least, not any more than someone would like drinking water, or a coat in the winter. They’re fulfilling a survival need for him.
That is what the objectification is where SJ is concerned.
So… is it misogyny?
I’d say yes, in a way it still is. It’s not violent, and it doesn’t come from some inherent sense of “superiority as a man” but at the core of it all, he’s still not viewing women as people, and he has no interest in changing the status quo, because it benefits him to be able to go purchase comfort at a pleasure house, even if it’s not what people usually do there. The picture is bigger than just misogyny, but the traits taken as themselves are misogynistic nonetheless.
I could go into his specific relationships with women and how that informs his character, but this post is already long enough. We know that he mentally divides people by sex, and that distinction has a lot of weight in his judgment of them. Even if it comes from a place of trauma, even if it comes from a general worldview that applies to everyone, he still views women as a commodity— so on some level, and from an outside perspective, he is misogynistic.
In the end, though, it still all comes from him being stuck in survival mode. His lack of empathy, his viewing others as risks and benefits— these things themselves aren’t moral failings— it’s just a consequence of his environment. He’s a bad person because he won’t confront this, develop a moral code, and act on it, not because he doesn’t experience empathy.
But in his circumstance, there’s not really a chance for him to choose to be good. Because he’s still trying to survive, and goodness is a luxury he doesn’t realize he can afford now.
He’s scum, but pitiful, you know?
#svsss#svsss meta#zhuixing meta#shen jiu#listen I’ve been through a lot of shit and I project on this dude a lot#so ymmv on how you interpret the character but this is just how I see him#and honestly that’s ok! characters aren’t people so everyone can interpret them differently and they CAN be different from person to person#but also… I think the ‘is sj misogynistic’ answer really comes down to what you consider misogyny#is it the motives or the actions 等等#I think the way it affects those around him is most important and therefore yes he is#but others may say the source is too different and the motives are different#and tbh other views are valid#it’s a grey line area#anyway#none of the replies to my post really encapsulated the root to it as I see it#also before you come at me I literally AM the ‘no empathy and views people as risk vs benefit’ in the post#I just try really hard to have a moral code#and consciously think about not harming/helping others#sj is just someone who DOESNT do that
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