Why does everyone at Marvel studios (besides Seb) hate MCU Bucky and say he's never done anything heroic? Why do they constantly force him to suffer as if he was responsible for his victimization? Why do they turn the reveal of his sexual abuse into a joke? Why can they sympathize with Ultron and Thanos, but not Bucky?

Sexism!

The nature of lot of the abuse and exploitation he's faced is, in western media, mainly carried out against women, sometimes queer men (like Arnie Roth). Conversations around his female coding within the MCU have largely stopped but it's very important to remember. The patriarchy punishes all men who step out of line, and this is a very good example of that phenomenon.

To them, because of this, he is a failure of a man. He is weak. He is complicit because men can't be victims and still be men. he is not worthy of respect or accolades.

His fans as a whole tend to be people who are frequent targets of overt misogyny, they generally aren't those who believe in and participate in enforcing the expectations of white, western manhood.

You know who does believe in and patriciate in that? The people who have actual control over his character's arc and treatment in the MCU. The one person with power who actually understood Bucky (Stan Lee) died and since then they've been saying the quiet part out loud.

They've also robbed him of the female coding and anything that could be read as contrary to their oppressive standards of masculinity from his character (this includes cutting his hair and robbing him of the softness he had even after everything he'd been through, not letting him have a cat because yes I've heard people outright state he's "too manly" to own a cat) in an effort to force him to be a "real man".

While I think it's good people have become more aware of how the patriarchy as a system hurts everyone living under it, even the more privileged classes, I do feel like I live in a bizarro world everytime people talk about cis men's mental health issues as if they all genuinely believe women were raised with perfect sympathy for their emotions and never demonized for their feelings or taught to repress them.

"Girls are taught it's okay to cry while boys are not!!" You have got to be kidding me. I am very young and even I was already old enough to be on the internet while people were still earnestly debating whether women were fit to be in official leadership positions or if they were "too emotional" and would lay ruin to the world because they were on their period or whatever. Like that was a real thing in the 2010s still. It's probably gonna make a comeback this decade if the tradwife revival keeps going long enough. Do we all have collective amnesia?

It's "okay" for girls to cry because it's benefitial for us to be seen as weak and lesser than men. It is useful for us to cry so it can be used against us. That is not exactly a good environment for girls to develop a healthy relationship to their emotions, is it? Everytime someone suggests men are uniquely tortured I feel like i'm going insane. Do we not remember hysteria? There was an actual fucking medical diagnosis for women who were expressing their emotions too much. Do we not remember the demonization of postpartum depression? Do we not remember the entirety of the anti-sjw movement specifically stereotyping feminists as foaming at the mouth and crying at nothing to make them seem illogical? Are all of you secretly from a parralel universe where misogyny never existed? I don't get it.

I saw something like this a while ago so it's not new but to my fellow transmascs and trans enbies, I know it hurts seeing people hate on men and I know the pipeline from hating men to spewing terf rhetoric is very fast but I need y'all to not be calling yourselves "men's rights activists" or aligning yourselves with that, because it is the COMPLETE opposite of what you mean. Men's rights activists do not care about men's rights. They are not activists. They do not care about men getting equal emotional consideration as women, they do not care about men's mental health being taken seriously, they do not care about men still being seen as men regardless of presentation, they don't even care about men. They care about further oppressing ANYONE who is not a cisgender, white male. They care about suffocating feminism - which absolutely includes actual rights for men. (when "feminism" doesn't include men, it is terf bullshit, NOT feminism.) You guys CANNOT be saying you are men's rights activists because that is NOT what you mean. And if it is, you are perpetrating the same misogyny. Please. It is not a term to "reclaim" because it was never ever EVER about men's rights.

To clarify, there are no wrong answers other than to say she's straight--this is not a place to argue back and forth but it can be a place to state why you believe what you believe! Sapphic solidarity babey. And pls condense any umbrella terms for bisexual under the bisexual option for simplicity's sake. 🥀

I think more women would care about men's issues if men stopped using discussions of women's oppression as the one and only instance to bring up men's issues. More often than not, men's problems are brought up to deflect from the conversation at hand and silence women.

people really love to conveniently forget trans men exist when they talk about feminism. or if they dont they make us out as also part of the problem as if we somehow are able to have the same amount of privilege as cis men. absolutely wild

kind of never want to hear or think about dsmp or mcyt ever again but most of my friends are still into it to a degree so we just suffer i guess

lrt ive been thinking about that sort of shit a lot lately. like i feel like the general discussion of misogyny got nuanced a bit too hard and now a bunch of people are basically softcore mra's

barbie discourse is sooo silly gerwig made barbieland a matriarchy and everyone was like "girlboss time! power fantasy with no consequences please!" and then the actual film came out and it was like "okay well maybe matriarchy wouldn't fix everything actually" (bare basic understanding of humanity) and people are calling that "anti-feminist" for "focusing too much on the kens" when it was actually pretty well balanced and, again, the kens were literally the original marginalised gender in barbieland. and people are saying we shouldn't care, Because They're Men. "umm what do you MEAN just flipping the genders in m/patriarchy isn't the answer... what do you MEAN i have to care about other people..." YOU ARE KEN. You Are Ken

i love how peeta is like. a woman. like okay... peeta has every single stereotypical "feminine" trait. he bakes. he paints. he's good at makeup. he isn't outwardly aggressive. a lot of times he's much more passive-aggressive in his words and actions. he's very in touch with his feelings. he's very sensitive. he's kind and compassionate to a fault. he's CONSTANTLY the damsel in distress. he's borderline useless in the games and katniss is trying to protect him 24/7. he's clumsy and has no survival skills. he's the love interest in a shounen manga....

I miss when everyone on this site hated men

Yes, the patriarchy hurts men too, but why do we have to convince men that the liberation of women will benefit them in order for them to care about it. I'm not going to sit around waiting for men to be incentivized to care about us as human beings.

What Is (and Is Not) Toxic Masculinity? by Renegade Cut

thinking of that transles separatist girlie who said every attractive trait in men is eroticized misogyny

i love 2 be bigender because i can see through bullshit like fucking apollo justice

I think a lot of the daydreams young men have about fighting things to save their school/friends/crush can be linked to emotional neglect and deeply rooted self-esteem issues that lead them to believe that extreme situations that would give them accomplishments beyond the capability of most people is the only way they will get recognition/praise/love on the level that they need.