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First I must apologize for my crimes I told my dad that I didn’t want to listen to him bash the Jedi and that he should just create a tumblr account for that and I apologize deeply
anyway mace windu supports the zillo beast not going extinct and I feel like he would be very pleased to see that even though the last one die in Tcw they are now being created in a lab though he may disapprove of their treatment and why they are being cloned
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"Not all men-" you're absolutely right! Mace Windu would never
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Mace Windu said fuck the rules fuck the law fuck tradition the Chancellor is a Sith Lord and has made himself an emperor and I’m not going to sit by and let it happen.
Mace Windu said if I do nothing I’d be betraying the democracy I thought I was fighting for this whole time, which means more than the crimes I’ll be charged with when this is over.
And yet people try to praise Anakin or Dooku for “leaving a corrupt system”. As if that was why Anakin left. As if Dooku did anything but make it worse. People praise the Mandalorians for only following their own rules. As if we’ve ever seen the Mandalorians truly stand for anything.
As if we don’t already have the most metal anti-authoritarian, badass character for people to praise.
And yet these parts of the fandom hate him. I wonder why 🤔
#p.s it’s because he’s black#and it’s because they don’t actually like Anakin and Dooku for ‘seeing a corrupt system’#they like them bc they like the evil dictator vibes and the fact that Anakin is emotionally unstable but they don’t want to Say that#the don’t like the mandalorians bc they force their own path or whatever#they like them bc they walk around with fifty guns strapped to their body and that’s some sort of American wet dream#mace windu#mace windu appreciation#pro jedi#star wars#in defense of the jedi
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It's funny how certain elements of the fandom are so resistant to the idea that Mace Windu defeated Palpatine fair and square... When I thought the entire purpose of Palpatine's plan was to avoid detection and infiltrate the Republic specifically so the Jedi wouldn't catch on and come for him?
Like if Palpatine really is just so stupidly powerful that nobody could ever defeat him there wouldn't even be a purpose to his big plan. He would just attack outright at the head of the Separatists or he'd order the Clone Army for himself or something. The fact that he didn't shows that he knew the Jedi were a threat to him.
So surely Mace Windu, the second most powerful Jedi after Yoda and the one who specialized in anti-Sith techniques would be able to defeat him in battle. If he couldn't and Palpatine was just playing him, Anakin's decision served no narrative purpose because it wouldn't have changed anything anyways.
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How the narrative framed Mace Windu, back in 2002
So there's this 2002 book written by Marcus Hearn, edited by J.W. Rinzler, titled Attack of the Clones - The Illustrated Companion. It was released a month before Episode II was released.
AKA, before EU material and anti-Jedi fanon could publicly reframe the meanings of the film... and before more recent narratives could reinterpret the character of Mace as a robotic, protocol-worshipping stickler who never bends the rules (when evidence shows he's anything but).
So how does Marcus Hearn - "untainted" by all the above factors, armed only with the Prequel films and their screenplays - frame the character of Mace Windu?
MACE & ANAKIN
Fandom: "Mace hated Anakin from Day #1 and never trusted him. Mace was probably jealous as he always thought he was the Chosen One, not Anakin!"
Attack of the Clones' - The Illustrated Companion:
"Jedi Masters Yoda and Mace Windu lead the High Council in rejecting Qui-Gon's application to train Anakin, 'He is too old,' concludes Mace Windu. 'There is already too much anger in him.'
Hearn explains that the problem with Anakin wasn't that he was just too old, it's that because of that age he had become too filled with fear and anger to a point where taking on the Jedi training would be twice as hard for him as it already was for everyone else.
Hearn doesn't chastise Mace for this initial decision. On the contrary, he adds more context to it by using a line from the screenplay to explain where Mace is coming from.
He also goes further into Mace's view of Anakin throughout the book:
"[Mace] over-estimates Anakin Skywalker, paying little credence to Obi-Wan's protestations that the boy is too confused and disturbed to be dispatched on a solo mission."
"The Jedi Council is aware of Anakin's exceptional skills, and Mace
Windu believes Anakin may fulfill the prophecy that says a being will one day bring balance to the Force. But Anakin still has a lot to learn…"
He's basically stating that Mace believes in Anakin, but that doing so is a mistake. Which, to be fair, considering how things turn out for Mace and the Jedi... is kinda true!
Mace's problem with Anakin is almost the opposite of what most of the fandom projects onto him.
It's not that he dislikes Anakin, on the contrary, he holds Anakin in too high of an esteem and is overlooking Anakin's glaring flaws because "hey, Anakin's the Chosen One. He's got this!"
That's not the only flaw Mace has, according to Hearn.
MACE'S (and the Jedi's) ONLY REAL FLAW
Fandom: "Mace and the Jedi had become too emotionally detached, they had lost touch with the common folk by spending too much time in their ivory tower. They focused so much on being selfless that they forgot how to care, they've become a bunch of elitist, righteous sticklers for protocol who care more about upholding laws than actually helping the people those laws are meant to protect!"
Attack of the Clones' - The Illustrated Companion:
"Although he is a senior member of the Jedi Council, little in Mace Windu's experience has prepared him for the looming threats of the dark side of the Force and Count Dooku's Separatists."
"Mace Windu's faith in the Jedi to protect the Republic is admirable, but it also blinds him to the true scale of the growing menace. He is aware that the dark side is growing, but still allows himself to be too easily reassured about the Separatists' ambitions. [...] Mace fatally misjudges Count Dooku, refusing to believe he could be behind any attempt on Senator Amidala's life. 'Dooku was once a ledi, he tells Padmé. 'He couldn't assassinate anyone. It's not in his character.'"
"Mace Windu's strengths are, in many ways, qualities shared by the Jedi Order as a whole - he is an accomplished diplomat and a fine swordsman. Such skills have served the Jedi well in their role as the galaxy's peacekeepers for a thousand generations. But such skills are not enough to save the Jedi from their own complacency, and the tumultuous changes that threaten to wipe them out forever."
Hearn perfectly grasps what the Jedi's only real flaw is, in George Lucas' intended narrative: they were unprepared, complacent, they were blind... and now they're stuck playing catch-up.
But when he's saying that, he's not blaming them for it. Because this flaw doesn't derive from some sense of elitism or superiority... it is an inevitable consequence of their qualities.
They've managed to stay out of politics as neutral diplomats...
... but that makes them vulnerable to the Sith's plot, which primarily takes place within the political arena, where they have no control or experience.
They are painfully aware of the corruption in the Senate...
... but as a result, they're too quick to trust the Separatist's talking points as well-meaning and genuine, instead of seeing the movement for what it really is: greedy big business trying to become the government.
They trust and agree with Dooku, believe in what he publicly stands for (after all this man used to be one of the wisest and kindest members of the Jedi Order, Mace's friend, Yoda's Padawan, etc)...
... but as such, they are blind to his true nature, that of a treacherous Sith who'd stoop to orchestrating assassinations.
The Jedi have their guard up, knowing that there's another Sith Lord still out there, orchestrating in the shadows...
... but they can't really find him, because the Dark Side has clouded everything, so only darksiders are able to sense the possibilities of the future! Them serving the good side is screwing them over, in this situation.
Flaws such as being too trusting or being unprepared, letting your guard down because you've established a 1000-year-peace, are flaws that kind, noble characters such as the Jedi are bound to have.
They may be flaws, but they aren't faults. And considering the way he describes Mace and the Jedi, it's clear Hearn grasps the nuance.
MACE'S RELUCTANCE TO JOIN THE WAR
Fandom: The Jedi joined the war out of arrogance, they thought they could swashbuckle their way through the problem and win, instead they didn't realize that they lost the very moment they joined.
Attack of the Clones' - The Illustrated Companion:
"Mace Windu believes in the Jedi as keepers of the peace - not as soldiers - but there comes a point when he reluctantly realizes that it is time to take affairs out of the realm of diplomacy."
Mace and the Jedi didn't want to start a war. If you read the script for Attack of the Clones, Mace and Bail keep grasping at straws to not engage with the Separatists up til the very end.
But when you consider that...
the Geonosians are about to execute Obi-Wan without a trial,
and the Separatists leaders have been unmasked as a coalition of unscrupulous corporate assholes who are willing to plunge the galaxy in chaos just to make more money.
... at some point, the Jedi have to come to terms with the fact that Separatist leadership (and Sidious) won't accept diplomacy because they want a conflict. A conflict will make them all richer. And the Republic, well, they're just dying to go to war too.
So the Jedi go save Obi-Wan and capture Dooku, hoping that in doing so, the conflict ends before it begins. They succeed in the former goal... but fail the latter one.
The Clone War has begun.
From there on, the Jedi are drafted to lead the war. Which is why - as Hearn points out - Mace was so reluctant to take action in the first place. The Jedi are ambassadors, they are not built for war... and now they've been forced into one.
Mace is by no means a perfect character... but he's someone doing his best. Just like Obi-Wan, just like Yoda, and all the other Jedi.
Overtime, Windu's character has been dumbed down to either "that one angry black man" or "the dogmatic emotionless dick who hated Anakin"... and I really think that that's not what we were meant to see him as.
The way Marcus Hearn (who also wrote The Cinema of George Lucas) refers to him is a much more charitable interpretation of how others (ahem Filoni ahem) do, nowadays.
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When you think about it, it’s pretty weird that everyone wholesale accepts the “Anakin never talks to anyone” fanon, when Anakin tries to tell Obi-Wan about his nightmares in AOTC and then later tells him he thinks of him as a father, goes to Yoda to ask for help with his nightmares in ROTS, and then immediately runs and tells Mace Windu that Palpatine is a Sith Lord as soon as he finds out about it (also in ROTS).
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Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being. Vaapad is a channel for darkness, and that darkness flowed both ways.
— The Revenge of the Sith Novelization
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Had someone recently respond to my defense of Windu (and the Jedi more broadly) with well “there may be many examples of Mace being heroic, but there aren’t really any of him being compassionate”. Any thoughts or counterpoints to this?
Depends on what continuity they're working with, cause if it's Legends they're talking about I'd have to question how much Legends content they've even watched/read/played lmaooo (off the top of my head, there's the story of how Mace got his hurrikaine crystal, which he is given after saving an injured man who'd previously tried to kill him, there's his interactions with various characters in Shatterpoint, from guiding them through their problems to mercy-kills, and there's even that suuuuper duper Jedi hating comic Children of the Force that still has him giving back a child the parents regretted giving away. And that's just me listing things off the top of my head, there's a LOT more.)
If it's straight up canon they're talking about... what's even the difference between being heroic and compassionate when your heroism manifests by selflessly putting yourself in arms' way for the sake of others? Cause he does that OFTEN. (Throwing the two troopers on the energy bridge to safety even as the bridge vanishes from under him on Ryloth, trying to go save Boba and Aurra Sing's hostages while he's still injured in the Revenge arc, getting his troops to evacuate while he deals with a giant bomb in season 7... again, just off the top of my head.) He's consistently valuing other people's lives above his own, he's just not particularly cuddly about it.
But if it's unquestionable compassion they want...
Cmon.
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It’s nice that there’s not much hate for mace Windu with Rebels. It’s hard to stan Kanan and hate on his grandfather at the same time.
#star wars#star wars rebels#swr#sw rebels#kanan jarrus#mace windu#mace windu appreciation#why do people hate him so much :(
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mace windu did nothing wrong ever and I will defend this
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Ngl I have no idea why some people hate Mace Windu.
He's literally like one of my favorite Jedi, probably like my 2nd favorite if I had to give him a ranking, and he's just like...so awesome!
He's kind and compassionate.
He's brave.
He's intelligent.
He's witty.
He has a purple lightsaber.
He's such a talented duelist that he kicked Jango and Grievous' asses.
And almost beat Palpatine (something even Yoda couldn't do, like come on--that's badass!)
Like seriously, what's not to like???
#no this is not an invitation for y'all to air your grievances about him#I literally do not give a shit about them#either reblog this with more appreciation about him or other Jedi or move along#star wars#sw prequels#the clone wars#pro jedi#jedi appreciation#mace windu#mace windu appreciation
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I have a lot of respect for Mace Windu.
Dealing with a bunch of stubborn bastards that dance around the point and can't seem to take care of themselves? Old men who give out cryptic advice that seems to hurt more than help sometimes? Politics?
All while managing the stress headache of the century.
Respect.
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So I don't know why people (outside the anti-Jedi's even) think Mace Windu was behaving so wrongfully when he want to arrest Palpatine and attempted to kill him.
First off, he really did try to arrest Palpatine initially. It's only after he proved both extremely powerful on top of his political influence that he decided he was too dangerous to keep alive. So he wasn't some bloodthirsty lunatic blindly attacking him.
I've seen some videos that suggest Mace would've been acting out of hatred on account of Palpatine killing the other Jedi Masters. But while it would certainly be understandable for someone in Mace's position to be thinking like that, his dialogue indicates otherwise.
"The oppression of the Sith will never return! You have lost."
"He controls the Senate and the courts, he's too dangerous to keep alive!"
We see from this that Mace is still thinking both altruistically, acting to prevent the oppression of the Sith from returning to the Galaxy, and not out of vengeance. Furthermore he's able to rationalize why Palpatine needed to die and it was because he could likely worm his way out of justice with his power and influence. Mace doesn't seem like he was acting out of anger or hatred.
As for it "not being the Jedi way" I'm sure it's true that the Jedi prefer to take people alive and not kill them, which is why Mace tried to arrest Palpatine in the first place. But I also don't think such a one in a million situation is something the Jedi would object too. Not when it concerned a Sith who'd orchestrated a war that killed millions just to get himself elected emergency powers.
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Headcanon that Mace knew what his droid destruction count was in s7 because his men made a game of tallying how many droids were destroyed with a lightsaber when they cleaned up the battle fields and Mace let them do it for morale. However, this tally does not account for droids he destroyed by reflecting blaster fire, consequentially meaning that 100,000 is a severe underestimate.
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This is another Mace & Anakin scene that doesn't seem to be remembered by anyone except for me and maybe five other people, so I want to take a moment and actually discuss what's going on here.
Three important things are established in this scene, and I'm going to go through them one by one.
Mace trusts Anakin, a nineteen-year-old Padawan, to protect a Senator who's actively being pursued by assassins.
Whenever anyone tries to argue that Mace always hated/distrusted Anakin from the very beginning, this is a good scene to point to. Because this scene demonstrates that Mace trusts Anakin, and that he actually trusts him a lot.
Consider the situation: Padme has had two attempts on her life in the past twenty-four hours. And the person Mace appoints to protect her is Anakin, a Jedi trainee who's six years younger than Obi-Wan was in TPM and who's never been off on his own before.
The decision to appoint a Padawan to protect Padme rather than a full-fledged Knight demonstrates that Mace, and at least a majority of the Council, have the utmost faith in Anakin's abilities. They know Padme's assassins are determined and willing to try again and again without stopping--and yet, Anakin is the person they trust to stop/prevent the assassination from actually occurring. To me, that shows they think Anakin is not only prepared for solo missions as a Padawan, but that they think he could be Knighted soon. And they wouldn't believe either if they didn't think he could be trusted or if they hated him this whole time.
So, I can only conclude that to have given him this assignment and believe he would succeed with it, Mace both trusted Anakin and thought he was a capable and strong Jedi.
2. Anakin trusts Mace enough to reveal his misgivings.
I feel like this part gets overlooked most of all, but it's also important. When Mace instructs Anakin on his mission (his first solo assignment!) and Anakin immediately foresees an obstacle, he points out that obstacle to Mace. He doesn't think he has to hide any of his doubts and pretend like he's already got it all figured out, he doesn't have insecurity or anxiety that if he reveals any difficulties, he's going to lose Mace's trust or faith or even the assignment entirely.
What this line tells me is that as much as Mace trusted Anakin in order to give him this assignment, Anakin trusted Mace enough to ask for his advice. He doesn't say it in those exact words, but that's what he's doing with his statement, and that's exactly what happens. He trusts Mace enough to ask for his help when he spots difficulty on the horizon, and I think that speaks to their relationship in this film.
3. Mace is willing to advise Anakin on his next steps in order to accomplish his mission.
At first glance, this aspect might seem obvious, but I still don't think Mace gets the recognition he's due here. So I think it's important to acknowledge what is actually happening with this line.
When Anakin implicitly asks for advice, Mace advises. He doesn't ridicule Anakin, he doesn't act like Anakin's suddenly incapable of the assignment given to him (and he will later defend Anakin to Obi-Wan when Obi-Wan argues this very point), and he doesn't leave Anakin to work it out on his own. Mace goes ahead and helps Anakin when Anakin needs to know what he should do next. He trusts Anakin, he supports him in getting to go off on his own coming-of-age journey, and he advises Anakin when Anakin recognizes Padme won't be willing to leave the planet.
What Mace is doing here is, essentially, being a mentor. And it's very noticeable to me that both he and Anakin seem very comfortable for him to hold that role in this scene. There's no hint of dislike or resentment or stubbornness that we get from scenes of Anakin and Obi-Wan, where they're both sniping at each other and behind one another's backs. Mace seems to be a person Anakin holds in high regard, and for a Padawan Anakin's age, Mace seems to regard him fairly favorably as well.
What we see, in its totality, is a functional relationship of mutual trust and respect. Mace gives Anakin a potentially difficult and dangerous mission despite his young age, Anakin expresses that Padme might be unwilling to leave to go into hiding, and then Mace offers a suggestion about who could convince Padme to go. These are two individuals who believe in each other and have faith in each other's judgement.
This isn't Mace hating Anakin, this isn't Anakin hating Mace, this isn't Mace being unfair in some way. This is a scene that actively shows that Mace believed in Anakin more than Obi-Wan did at this point. It might not seem like that big of deal that it conveniently gets forgotten by almost everyone, but I just want at least a fraction of fandom to acknowledge its existence, and for the "Mace was always mean and unreasonable" misconception to finally fade away into nonexistence, where it always should have remained.
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Chapters 1-9^
UPDATE ALERT
FREEDOM FIGHTER
Chapter Ten:
The difference between dreams and nightmares was that the latter revolved around things you didn't want to happen, things that frightened you, that woke you in the night with that horrible lurch of terror.
Identifying what was a dream and what was a vision was harder to negotiate. Who didn't want to believe that their wishes would come true?
The difference between visions and nightmares… that was even more dangerous.
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