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I have already complained about the lack of sources and character development for Jaster Mereel, the supposed important figure in Mandalorian modern history. At the same time, I’m genuinely fascinated by how he was seen by Dooku, Jango Fett and Tor Vizsla. Which is not really that they have some drastically different opinions that exclude each other but rather what those characters identify with Jaster.
Let’s start with Count Dooku. The man did a great research about Jango Fett’s past before he hired the Mandalorian to become a DNA donor for the clone army. As he said to Darth Sidious, Dooku "interrogated a number of his former associates"
So, obviously, Dooku's opinion is by no means objective, literally colored by what he learned from Jaster/Jango’s allies and followers. Surprisingly there is no mention about honor that tie-in materials like to bring in regard to Jaster Mereel even though this should be the logical conclusion as the difference between True Mandalorians and barbaric Death Watch. For Dooku alone, Jaster Mereel was “reformed murderer” who "held that the Mandalorians were merely highly-paid soldiers" [JF:OS#1]
Then we have Jango who knew Jaster personally, saw him as family and held in great respect. Whale reading the Death Watch Manifesto that at some point he had in his possession, Fett wrote this:
These are lies. Jaster sought true honor, not the right to ignore laws and moral codes. Vizsla's Death Watch was nothing but a license for murder [Jango]
Jaster was an important person for Jango - so much he wanted his unalerted clone to carry on Mereel’s legacy and without doubt Jango idealized the man.
At the same time, Jango’s opinion doesn’t exactly tell us what kind of person Jaster was, more what was his goal and what he represents for Fett and other True Mandalorians.
And then we have Tor Vizsla and look, the Manifesto was written years after Jaster’s death and some time after the destruction of the True Mandalorians on Galidraan. Tor could write anything, literally any lie and slander that comes to his mind, because there were not many people around anymore who knew Jaster and even if they were remains of True Mandalorians, the book wasn’t intended to fall into their hands anyway. And what of all possible things Tor identified with Jaster? Passion.
And yes, this is very subjective point of view and opinion about Jaster - albeit I would argue Tor’s words aren’t detached from reality that much because it easily ties up with Dooku’s statement “merely high-paid soldiers” and let's be real here, no matter how much Jango or other True Mandalorians (sources) will bring honor into discussion, honor itself is not synonymous with being morally right. But I’m gonna leave mandalorian morality for another time.
I’m furious that Tor didn't elaborate what Jaster was so passionate about - the order and laws? Work ethics? Religion? - that he couldn’t contain passions in himself and tried to “eliminate them in everyone else”. At the same time it amazes me, because this short paragraph may imply that Tor knew Jaster from a different, maybe much more personal side. And I won’t lie, Jaster being a passionate man speaks to me, an introvert, on a very specific level (as in: not showing that side to every person around you), especially since he doesn’t appear like that in comics? For the little we could observe him through two issues, he was rather cool-headed and down to earth type of person? Being sympathetic to Jango and showing anger only once, at Montross (whom he still personally rescued despite Montross openly disobeying his orders). Passion is not something I would call comics!Mereel and in a way Tor’s words, for me, brings more humanity to Jaster than Dooku’s understanding and Jango’s glorification did.
This does not mean that Jango didn’t know Mereel well but Fett understandably idolized his mentor, especially since he was still pretty young (~14) when Jaster died and this “nostalgia” definitely affected how he remembered Mereel in his adult life. In a way I feel Jango’s opinion is for what Mereel strived (virtues) while Tor’s present humanity (flaws).
And let's not forget the History of the Mandalorians - the supposedly objective article - describes Jaster Mereel as a “deeply pious human”.
The oxford and cambridge online dictionaries say pious means “deeply religious” what I find very intrigued yet another overlooked detail. And hey, a person wouldn't fight tooth-and-nail to become reigning Mandalore without being passionate and devoted to his ideals, right? So I like to think that Jango and Tor opinions about Jaster don't contradict each other but simply present Mereel from different angles that add more depth to his otherwise not exploited character.
#star wars#jaster mereel#tor vizsla#jango fett#count dooku#look you may hate tor but his take on jaster is pretty surprising#he could write everything he wanted#that jaster sold mando ideals for money because he wanted mando to be high paid merc not the warriors like the ancient mando was#or that he sold warriors to new mandalorians for TM safety and so on so on#but this take stayed within what we already know and then jaster's passions comes and i'm amazed#because sure dooku and jango's opinions tell us a lot about jaster but doesn't say what he was personally? was he good natured or cynical#or calm or prone to anger stuff like that i mean by what he was personally#and then tor is jaster was wrecked by guilt and couldn't contain his own passions#brings a lot to think about#i wish we could learn more about those two before war but alas i doubt disney will even bother and tbh i wouldn't want it touch#jaster and tor anyway#mandalorians#death watch#true mandalorians
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Okay, I gotta do a more careful read but SO FAR timeline of events seems to be
Tor/Death Watch finds out about the clones, uses them to wipe out the jedi
Five years later Jaster either finds out about the clones and dethrones death watch OR he knew right away and had to spend time to gather support to dethrone death watch
Death watch was presumably hunting down Jedi for Murder, but jaster probably has no reasons to. My money is on him thinking they may know where Jango is, if the clones were still commissioned by the sith "for the Jedi" to take out the Jedi before death watch snagged them. Alternatively, the sith did Things to the clones, which is what's up with Fox, and Jaster is hoping the Jedi might have answers for how to help him. Maybe both.
The clones on this planet are pretty almost definitely looking for jango, who is currently decor in Agens apartment
I'm 100% sure there's more but I'm currently packing and probably shouldn't let myself get distracted then again I have until tomorrow
Anyway, this is all EXCELLENT brain food and I am having a GREAT time definitely not ignoring responsibilities
Tor wasn't specifically trying to wipe out the Jedi, mostly just....conquer everything, and he knew the Jedi would try to stop him. The canon divergence point is Tor's Death Watch becoming more influential on Mandalore than the True Mandalorians, so Jaster did take a few extra years to build up enough support to stage a coup, but...
Well. Jango had to end up on Kamino somehow, and it didn't go quite like it did in canon, so Jaster thinks he has plenty of reason to hate the Jedi/the Republic.
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Anyways… AU where Darth Vader goes back in time but it restores both his physical health AND sanity but he still refuses to ditch the suit (but with his physical health he’s pretty fuckin unstoppable now but also with his sanity back he would go back to having a blue saber because red sabers happen when you torture the kyber and I like to imagine Vader not actively hurting his kyber while sane) and he immediately goes off to find Obi-Wan as a baby and at first he doesn’t know WHAT he’ll do with the baby he’s a 44 year old man with a mass of PTSD and anxiety and so at first he’s all ‘okay, I’ll just grab the baby and hand him to the nearest Jedi’ but then he goes to Stewjon and finds Obi’s mother trying to drown him so he takes the baby and decides that’s his son now so that’s why three years later Jaster Mereel has to deal with the most terrifying meeting of his life when a man comes to his office with a toddler passed out in a padded carrier on his chest and a saber on his side and saying he knows where Death Watch is and wants to stop them (Ani has had a long three years to think shit over and decides fixing the galaxy demands fixing the Mandalorian sector first) and Jaster doesn’t know why but this man is terrifying af but he can’t figure out how… and the baby is a lil ball of happy light who eventually wakes up with lil bb yawns and asks for snacks so Jaster sends him to the corner to play with Jango (who is delighted with the new baby brother thank you) and he’s trying to figure out how Anakin knows about the Death Watch and what Ani plans to do about it (‘I’ll just… go inside and kill them? Listen, I just need you guys to save the kids. I’m only really good with my kid.’ ‘…you want to take on all of Death Watch on your own?’ ‘Nah, you get Tor and Pre, that way you’ll win the darksaber and the holdouts will have to pledge to you’ ‘…but you’ll take on the rest on your own?’ ‘Yes.’) and idk where this is going but I just had this vision of Dad Vaderkin wandering into Jaster Mereel’s office all ‘I hear you got some terrorists for me to unalive. I will take the job thanks.’ ‘And how do we pay you?’ ‘Just babysit my kid while I’m working and we’ll call it even. Be careful, he bites.’ ‘But… no payment?’ ‘Listen, I’m fucked in the head and wanna kill some people? So? Aim me at those that deserve it for hurting kids?’ And that’s about it. Ani is a lil fucked up but he likes his baby and his suit. He’s working through some shit.
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Following from your tags on the Galidraan post, there's actually a canon(-ish) source that states that the Darksabre was chosen by VIZSLA as their symbol of the Mand'alor: Tor Vizsla's in-universe Ba'jurne Kyr'tsad Mando'ad, which is included at the end of the real-world book, The Bounty Hunter Code. Direct quote is: "To ensure we would be led by the most powerful, we decreed that any could challenge the Secret Mand'alor for leadership of Death Watch. And, as our symbol of authority, we chose the Darksaber, an ancient weapon liberated from the Jedi long ago." (Please ignore my editing in the image.)
(The whole text of the Ba'jure Kyr'tsad Mando'ad is on google sites: https://sites.google.com/view/bajurne-kyrtsad-mandoad/title-page)
Yep, I have that book, it's actually a really fun reference, all the books in that series are! <3
But yup, see, this is another part where I see how Legends doesn't quite match up with current canon. The info in this book is Legends, specifically Legends as published in 2013. But in New Canon, given how the Darksaber is treated in Rebels and now in the Mandalorian, I feel like it being solely the symbol of "the Secret Mand'alor" is kinda BS—it's much more treated as the symbol of ALL of Mandalore.
Of course, one could interpret all of this through the lens that Clan Wren is part of House Vizsla so all of Sabine's story is biased (I'm still not happy they made that association...), and Bo-Katan used to serve Pre so of course she's got Vizsla bias, and Din was rescued by Death Watch + Paz is in his covert so presumably his covert also has strong Vizsla/Death Watch bias.
New canon is so incredibly Vizsla/Death-Watch centric, perhaps "Vizsla's Mand'alor" is the only Mand'alor that matters anymore. Which. Ugh. But kinda feels that way.
Anyway, while it isn't based on anything official, I do feel like if the Darksaber existed when Open Seasons was written, there might have been some more history with it there. Because keep in mind, even though they're both Legends, Open Seasons still predates the Code book by over a decade, and much of Legends isn't consistent.
My own take is that IF we go by the premise that the Darksaber is the symbol of the rightful leader of all of Mandalore and NOT just Death Watch, then it should make sense that at different points of time between the Darksaber becoming the symbol and the "present," it would have passed between different clans, especially since modern Death Watch is an extremist terrorist organization that has not been depicted as being the rightful anything tbh.
Therefore to me, the Darksaber is more interesting if it's a neutral symbol planetary leadership, which may have originated from Tarre Vizsla, someone who is not synonymous with Death Watch of the Clone Wars~onwards eras. Vizsla may claim that it's only a symbol of them and their Mand'alor, but again then that makes a distinction between that and a leader who unifies all of Mandalore.
It's more interesting if Jaster and Jango once had the Darksaber and were recognized as leaders, and perhaps that too was part of why Tor Vizsla was so determined to take them down, if he felt they were unfit to wield it. His underhanded tactics in getting rid of them would then mean that he didn't win the saber in fair combat, which means that when Pre presumably inherited it, its current presence in his family isn't rightful in the first place, and perhaps he never knew. That then leads to the question of whether any current claim to the Darksaber is legitimate if the last true wielder was taken down by Vizsla manipulating Jedi from the shadows, never lifting a finger himself. That kind of moral debate of honor, of understanding the messy past of Mandalore...that kind of juicy drama, I am all for.
To be clear, I'm biased, and none of the above is me saying "this is the right way to interpret this media." This is just how I, personally, am choosing to internalize it. I don't like Death Watch and don't think they have been depicted as honorable in ANY media they're in. It does not make any narrative sense, at least to me, to put them on a weird pedestal while stripping Boba, Jango, Jaster, and the other True Mandalorians of all historical and cultural relevance. IF the Darksaber is a symbol solely of Vizsla leadership, then I cannot imagine WHY anyone would want to make it into a cool fun symbol to build a franchise around and give to a hero character. So I'm hoping that canon will eventually lean a bit towards my personal interpretation, even though I have little faith that it will.
If it doesn't, eh, that's alright! I'm more than capable of making my own lil stories and entertaining myself!
Anyway, this response went a bit longer than I expected but yeah, those are my thoughts on the Darksaber and how I've personally chosen to combine Legends + New Canon!
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Seeds Snippet
Okay I'm just so ridiculously happy that Jaster and Jango have gotten to this point I am totally gonna post a snippet. It's TECHNICALLY Sunday so this could totally be WIP Sunday adjacent. XD
Context, Jaster is laid up in a hospital bed after his pretty gnarly injuries from his fight with Tor Vizsla, they were previously discussing Arla and how she'd gotten involved in the whole thing. I am gonna redact certain key story spoilers but mainly it's just them having a real, wholesome conversation and Jango finally works up the guts to confess to Jaster that he doesn't want to be Mand'alor. Something he's been hiding and stewing over pretty much the whole damned fic.
I feel like Jaster's B-tier parenting has definitely upgraded over the fic and I'm willing to give him a solid A-tier parenting gold star at this point. As always, it's super rough, not edited, and since it was written last post-midnight, it is bound to be even more typo-riddled and dramatically incorrect than normal. Those are Gremlin El hours after all.
Surprise flashed across Jango’s face when Jaster said that. A troubled look quickly followed it. “That was stupid of her.”
“I agree; I wish she’d trusted me enough to communicate her plans at the very least. But I also understand why she did it. Death Watch taught her the best way of solving her problems is with violence; it’s going to take a lot of time and effort for her to learn to outgrow those ingrained habits. And while I do understand why she did what she did, I would be lying if I didn’t admit it has shaken my trust in her somewhat.”
Something akin to fear shadowed the teen’s eyes. “Are you going to send her away?” Jango asked, voice going tight.
“No, I think that would only serve to prove all of her fears and concerns about us correct if I were to do that. And I also think it would make her backslide and we don’t want that. Also? I would never do that to you, Jango so don’t worry about that. We’re just going to have to take things slow. But I was serious when I made my offer to assist her in settling into any life she wanted to pursue. I don’t want to see her slip through the cracks.”
Jaster’s lean face wore a weary and tired expression. “I’m afraid of what we will find when we head home and make a more concerted effort to find the Death Watch training base. It’s clear we cannot leave that to lie any further. I suspect there will be too many Arla Fetts we will discover when we start turning over rocks on Concordia.” He looked up at Jango then with a somber look on his face.
“I don’t want your generation or the ones that follow to inherit our war. And I don’t want to see an entire generation of children have their childhoods ripped away because of Tor Vizsla’s insanity and zealotry. I fear the damage has already been done but maybe we can mitigate some of that pain and sorrow going forward.”
Jango nodded seriously and settled back into the chair next to Jaster’s side.
“Speaking of the future, there’s something I’ve been meaning to talk to you about.”
“What’s on your mind, Jango?”
The boy looked anywhere but directly at Jaster as he visibly battled with coming up with what he wanted to say.
“I’ve been thinking about this for a while, so I don’t want you to think this is a rash decision. But…I don’t want to be Mand’alor. I know everyone expects me to step up and that you need a proper successor, but I don’t think that’s me.”
Jango’s words confirmed that Jaster had been suspecting for a while if he was being truthful with himself. And at part of him understood just how much pressure it was to place on the shoulders of a young teenager. Still, he knew how much that must have cost Jango to admit.
“I understand and I respect your choice. I never, ever wanted you to think I was expecting you to succeed me. Hells, this isn’t some blood dynasty that needs to be handed down anyway. I’m sorry if you felt pressured or like there was some expectation to do so. I’ll make it clear to everyone as soon as I’m better.”
“But…after everything that’s happened, that’s just going to make people panic more, I think.”
“That’s my problem to deal with, you don’t need to take that pressure on your shoulders. And if people are assuming just because you’re my son that means I’m automatically going to chose you to pick up the mantle when I retire then I’ll have to set some people straight. Yes, things might be in flux and in transition for a while. And I would not be surprised if someone looks at me and thinks I’m a crippled and weak target and I will cross that bridge if it comes to it. I will respect the old traditions and answer any challenger who thinks they can lead our people better than me.”
Fear curdled in Jango’s stomach at the realization that Jaster’s injuries had really left him in a precarious position.
[Redacted story spoilers here] Jaster assured him and reached out to ruffle Jango’s mussy curls affectionately, something the teen only visibly tolerated.
“Now, I want you to get out of this place; I want you to go get some real food, find a shower, brush your damned hair and get some real sleep in a real bed. That’s an order, understand?” He said playfully, but there was a hint of steel in his voice all the same, and Jango recognized the order for what it was.
“Yes, buir.” It was one of the few times when Jango said that word with sincerity, not a hint of exasperation, scorn or irony. Jaster felt something lighten in his chest.
“Good, I’ll see in twelve hours, nothing less.”
And that earned him an exasperated eye-roll from the teenager, which was almost to be expected at this point.
“I love you, kiddo.” Jaster decided to press his luck just a little if only because he didn’t want a day to go by that, his son had any doubt that he loved him. And if that meant saying it out loud more often and being more proactive in demonstrating it, he would do it.
“Yeah, me too.” Jango said a little husky as he climbed to his feet. After hesitating, he leaned down again and gently hugged Jaster one last time before booking it for the door.
#wip sunday#el writes#fanfic snippet#jaster mereel's a- parenting skills#jaster mereel#jango fett#seeds for the future fanfic
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Your choice as to whose POV it is, but I gotta ask for the anime cross-screen "N-nani?!" moment when Din and the Armorer fell through the ice lol
i have a few, but this one is the most developed pov out of that scene! surprising no one probably it's fenn rau, who i would still like to take to wife,
cw for mandalorians being mandalorians. there's some legends/eu stuff packed in here as well wrt the mandalorian protectors and their history.
in which the new mand’alor gets his teeth kicked in, which kind of puts a dent in the whole “follow him to greater glory” thing.
Fenn Rau had been at war for forty years and had seen many surprising, shocking and terrible things, which was why, when the young mand’alor tackled his opponent through the ice and vanished into the lake below, Fenn Rau did not panic.
He certainly thought about panicking. He’d thought about panicking a few times, actually. Djarin’s opponent – a Child of the Watch, an alor among them, from what Kip had been able to sniff out last night around the cook-fires – was certainly doing her level best to kill Djarin. Rau wondered what the story was there. Just before Djarin had tackled her through the ice, the darksaber buried in her belly, she had brought her beskar hammer down on Djarin’s head. Everyone on the ice had heard that blow. It had stopped half a dozen fights.
Rau hadn’t panicked then. Hadn’t intervened, even though he’d wanted to.
Rau was a Mandalorian Protector. He’d always been a Protector, from the moment he’d come of age and hurled himself into training with enthusiasm, strilling the other Protectors until they’d given in and folded him into their ranks.
And the Protectors protected the mand’alor. That was the whole point of them. They were not one clan, one tribe; in the last days of Mandalore, Rau had stood beside Ordo Protectors and Vizsla ones, Wrens and Awauds, Keldaus, Keldabes, even a distant Kryze cousin who had died on Concord Dawn, swept aside by Gar Saxon and his butcher’s crew.
The Protectors had been pulled from every clan, every colony, pulled beyond blood feuds and grudges and into something larger than all of them. Rau had believed that with all of his manda.
And this mand’alor, he thought, watching dark water slop over the expanding edges of the broken ice, the lake foaming like the mouth of a Batuun acid-spitter, is my first.
Rau had been just a novice when the last true mand’alor had been betrayed. Too young to see real fighting, kept away from the battlefield that took Jaster Mereel and so many of his loyal guard. And those among the Protectors who had survived had refused to serve Tor Vizsla. Jango Fett had not taken up the mand’alor’s name when he’d avenged his father and Mandalore itself passed to Satine Kryze, who had disliked the Protectors enough that they, though they had served her, had never known her as mand’alor. Lady Bo-Katan had never taken the title either, and Rau had cheerfully hated her for years.
(He had been immensely gratified to learn yesterday that she still hated him too. Rau knew that grudges and feuds and divisions had fractured his people so badly that the Empire had been able to crush them like Coruscanti spider-roaches instead of the most fearsome warriors the galaxy had to offer, but still. He was pleased that this grudge, at least, had held. It gave him some shereshoy to know that Kryze still hated him.)
Din Djarin was the first mand’alor – well, the first proper claimant to be the mand’alor, anyway – that Rau had been able to serve.
And I do want to serve, Rau thought. He’d come to that realization last night, speaking with Djarin over a cook-fire. It had settled in Rau’s bones with the weight of beskar. Fire-forged and true. I want to protect him.
Rau had wanted to jump in when the Child of the Watch had taken a hammer to the side of Djarin’s head.
He hadn’t, of course. An ijaa’kaan was hardly an assassination attempt in the dark, and the rules of an ijaa’kaan were clear. No one could interfere in an honor duel. Not a Protector or a tal’vod or even a spouse – Boba Fett had watched the duel with his hands curled into fists, straining forward at every hit the golden kyr’ad had landed on Djarin like a massiff straining against a chain.
But I wanted to.
Rau wanted to intervene now.
Djarin had gone under so fast, the ice giving way underneath him, the lake swallowing him and the Child of the Watch up in less than a heartbeat, that no one had had time to react.
No one had reacted yet, either. Only a few seconds had passed. The hole in the ice was still growing, water snarling, cracks growing.
Beskar is heavy.
Djarin had a full beskar’gam. A jetpack, a spear. The water churned.
He is the mand’alor, Rau thought. Djarin was – well. He was very strange. Reserved, wary.
Skittish, Rau thought.
But honest, too. That had shone in Djarin’s face, in his eyes, like beskar. Honorable. A ferocious fighter – Aiken Anson would, hopefully, think twice about running his mouth around Djarin again – and a loyal friend.
He can’t die here. Not when Djarin – a new face among them, almost a stranger, who’d come to Lady Bo-Katan’s summit without any of the grudges or entye’e – was the best chance they had at pulling this, any of this, off.
We could rally around him, Rau thought. He’d said as much to Kip last night, and Kip had thoughtfully agreed. Not all of us, perhaps – the Children of the Watch in particular seem to be holding a grudge – but enough of us, I think, to save Mandalore.
An honor duel was one thing, but the future of Mandalore – well.
That was quite another.
The cracks in the ice were still spreading when Fenn Rau made up his mind to intervene, but only a bare few seconds had passed. He looked across the circle of warriors, and made Lady Bo-Katan’s eyes.
She was already moving. All of her attention was fixed on the water; she wasn’t even looking at Rau at all.
Stars and kings, Rau thought, invoking an old oath he’d learned at his father’s knee. Lady Bo-Katan and I actually agree on something.
That boded rather well for Lady Bo-Katan’s entire venture here on Krownest. For all of them, really. Assuming that Din Djarin didn’t die here today, and kick off a particularly vicious repeat of Jango Fett’s vengeance on Death Watch. If Djarin died, Rau didn’t doubt that Fett would cut his way through half the summit to avenge him.
But if he lives, Rau thought, then we just might make it. A fragile hope was lit in Rau’s chest, small but as bright as a star. We just – have to make sure that he lives.
Feeling more optimistic than he had in months, Rau tilted his head at Kip, who dipped his chin back. Kip was with him. Others were moving too. A few Children of the Watch – the big man in blue armor, Vizsla, who’d lent his voice to Rau’s to argue for Boba Fett’s welcome among them, and a tall woman in red – and a coltish young warrior in black armor were rushing to the ice. Fett himself was moving too. A pair of Nite Owls flanking Lady Bo-Katan.
An odd coalition, one pulled from half a dozen different corners of Mandalore.
Rau smiled.
Alright, he thought, elbowing a few gawking warriors out of the way. Time to rescue the future of my people.
#ast asks#ast tag#ast 'verse pov tag#fenn rau: there he goes! the hope of my people!#also fenn rau: oh no there he goes; the hope of my people;
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Hiya. You've probably seen me often in the comments for (Re)convene on AO3. Well, I love that story so much that I had to take this opportunity to continue our dialogue in a more appropriate location/setting. Anyway, the reason I reached out, mainly, is that I have a few questions, if you're willing to answer them. Just out of curiosity, what made you decide to make Myles a Wren? And, if it's not considered spoilers, could you explain the overall history of Clan Wren in this universe? Thanks.
Hi!!! I do hahaha
This is a totally fine place to reach out :) (I'm working on the next chapter, but, well, I get distracted easily hahaha) I'm also working on a one shot I'm planning for mother's day from Sabine's POV called "So I as my mother before me"
So I actually was thinking about this ! Perhaps a little bit roundabout until we get back to our answer.
The way that the last Clan Wars is described in both RepComm and the Disney Rebels is as an emotionally devastating wound, that tore family from family, friend from friend, sibling from sibling, parent from child. Most Mandalorians we've met have two names, a name they were given, and a family name. In a lot of fan content, those who have been separated from their family take on a new last name, Naa'sade, but that's not anywhere I've read officially. But we have met a few Mandos with no last name. Given the fact that the schism in Legends happened first between the True Mandalorians and Death Watch (where Tor defected from what Jaster was doing), it stands to reason that what happened between Clans started then.
So, IMO, the Mandos without last names are likely those who've cut ties with their family. Symbolically, spurning their family name and setting out on their own. But they're not of no clan, because clan structure is more than family structure. They're still of the clan they were apart of before, they're just contending which branch of that clan will survive, or else joining a new clan (IE, Silas' loyalty in the comic, to Jango would likely mean he's joining Jango's clan/house)
We've got three Mandos without last names to work with then. Silas (who I already had plans for + we've already gotten a canon face for), Montross (who's well, very dead by now), and of course, Myles.
This brings me back to how I plan stuff. I knew early on that I was planning on having Ursa as we see in the fic betray Sabine's trust (and this time, really break it, because while Ursa hadn't had the full picture of what Sabine has gone through, Sabine's been burnt by her mother before. And this time is far worse. Because she thought she would be able to influence Ursa's choices if she told her mother the truth.)
So I did more than a little character analysis of Ursa. She's a protective mother bear, but she at this point is dead loyal to Death Watch, as she would later be loyal. Her willingness to betray her child's friends and teammates to get her child to safety, her frank conversation with Sabine where Ursa tells her that the entire reason why Ursa never reached out to her was because Sabine was safer away from them... that implies a level of control, a level of knowledge of how these things work, a level of trust in Death Watch's leadership structure, that if she reached out she would get what she wanted. Because Sabine had never once betrayed her name, never declared her parents dar'buir. So making sure Sabine gets home safe was important to her, a) and b) thought that working through Death Watch's House channels would work. Given the fact that the clan wars split up house from house, clan from clan as I mentioned...
And then there's the fact she ended up marrying a New Mando... I'm given to believe that there was some disillusionment with Death Watch from before, but not enough to betray it completely. So I'm inclined to believe that something happened to her during the clan wars, but it's a matter of asking, well, what?
In Short then, there's ample room for a tragic backstory for Ursa wherein she, as her daughter, was raised in the midst of a civil war. Where she, as her daughter, lost a sibling to that war, when her sibling refuted their family, and left, and became nameless. She snaps at Ezra when he says that they're all True Mandalorians, to tell him not to speak on what he doesn't know, meaning, IMO, this sibling could have gone to that side of the battle.
Ursa, Sabine, Tristen, all have latin ties wrt their names, and so does Myles.
So I came at it like that. I wanted to have a sort of pattern, within the Wrens, with Sabine, and Ursa. And further, more than that.... it's useful for other story purposes, as a plot device if Sabine's got a lot in common with someone in PARTICULAR Jango Failed... Wellllll that is a rather juicy potential point of Pain. A good plot point that could come around, as well as being a good theme of the story, of being that of cycles and family dynamics coming around and around, and wanting to break out of it.
Hopefully that answers the question!
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Rating Mandalorians on their ability to fuck up and to rule.
Bo Katan kryze. Killed her sister joining a terrorist organization, lost the dark saber twice 10/10 ability to fuck up 0/10 ability to rule
Satine Kryze Banished factions who disagreed with her, senate helped prop up her rule, no ability to compromise, corruption at high levels on her watch 10/10 ability to fuck up 3/10 ability to rule. Just remember to dye hair blond beforehand
Sabine wren. Made a mandalorian genociding machine, Gave the dark saber to Bo, 10/10 ability to fuck up 4/10 ability to rule, why was she the one to decide who gets the dark saber?
Tor Vizla. Inability to finish civil war and atrocities get senate involved in mandalorian affairs, inspires people to betray others for him, pisses off jango fett 10/10 ability to fuck up 7/10 ability to rule. Would trust to lead a battle but only if I was going scorched earth style
Jaster Mereel. Trains Jango after getting his entire family killed but doesn’t teach him negotiations or bioethics. Gets betrayed on an easy mission, leave Jango in charge at like 14 10/10 ability to fuck up 7/10 ability to rule would trust to follow some laws and be a military leader
Jango Fett. Leads his people into a massacre, clones himself for war, works for person who helped massacre his people, 10/10 ability to fuck up 5/10 ability to rule, can lead commandos but not happy about it
Boba Fett. Does crime for Vader, tries to blow up ships with other clones, falls into sarlacc pit, actual crime lord 10/10 ability to fuck up 7/10 ability to rule, eventually gets the hang of it, won’t sacrifice you unnecessarily.
Din djarin. Gave up grogu originally, Not communicating with covert leads to lots of mandos dying, didn’t pay attention to history lessons when young, didn’t want the dark saber 10/10 ability to fuck up 5/10 ability to rule, does not want to rule anyway. Doesn’t know enough about politics.
They all need to learn about elective representative government styles
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the vizsla’s really said
#pre vizsla#tor vizsla#tcw#open seasons#jaster mereel#star wars#van.txt#i’m tagging jaster bc he’s king of the tor vizsla is ugly squad#anyway i just read open seasons lol#tor vizsla is so greasy#jaster mereel and jango fett rights#tarre vizsla was probably sexy but it all went downhill from there
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Just thinking Darksaber haunted coupled with lovers to enemies JasTor where they’re both stuck attached to it as Mand’alor of the past and they’re in there with all the other ones who are slowly getting very sick of them because they have so much history and it’s sooo passive aggressive now that they can’t actually hurt each other anymore.
Tor keeps trying to pick fights with Jaster while Jaster is sitting there going, ‘it’s gonna be a LONG afterlife.’
Most of the Vizslas have taken Jasters side in the divorce anyway but it’s chaos to deal with. The others can’t work out why a Vizsla would chose someone like Jaster who’s not of powerful Clan like theirs.
Meanwhile Din is sitting there holding the Sabre scared out of his mind because he did not sign up for this. He turned on the blade back at Bobas place and suddenly there are all these blue ghosts standing around him.
He just wanted to save his kid, he didn’t want the glowing sword or its claims, let alone ancient leaders of the past or Boba’s Ba’buir’s relationship drama with... Paz’s Ba’ba’vodu? Huh, small galaxy.
Tor keeps yelling about reclaiming Mandalore not unlike Bo-Katan and honour except Din isn’t too sure Tor understands what honour is.
He far prefers Boba’s Ba’buir who is calm and not yelling and has ideas far more similar to what he knows about protecting the clan and Mandalore being a people not a planet. Oh and he also makes the other Mand’alor’e back off when they’re being too loud right at the start when they all want to meet the newest True owner of the Darksabre.
There’s some sort of interaction between Jaster and Tor where Jaster responds with a scathing comment about how Tor killed him but didn’t even have the decency to do it honourably and had to use an ambush a betrayal and a tank, and did it in front of his son.
Din decides he definitely prefers Jaster after that. Lmao.
Also Jango pops in and out and he hates Tor when he’s there but apparently he prefers not coming out to talk. He was the last actual Mand’alor before Din won the blade but he has issues accepting that he was Mand’alor which is affecting his ability to manifest idk. Jaster is supportive while Tor is mocking. It ends up being the only time since the first Mand’alor joined the Ka’ra that one of them could actually punch another. Jaster was so proud.
Also at least one of the other mand’alor’e are trying to get Jaster and Tor into the Ka’ra version of couples therapy because they’ve already been at this for like half a century and they cannot deal with this for another decade they swear to Ka’ra.
#star wars#Mandalorian#Jaster mereel#tor vizsla#din djarin#boba fett#paz vizsla#Jango fett#the darksaber#haunted darksaber#ghosts of mand’alor past#jastor#loves to enemies#star wars headcanons#star wars prompts
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Jango Fett Open Seasons: Retreat vs. fight no matter the cost
Another detail from Jango Fett: Open Seasons that I find very telling about characters is their approach to retreat. I’m specifically want to talk about the four major Mandalorians - Tor Vizsla, Jaster Mereel, Jango Fett and Montross as they all were at some point in the story put in situation when they needed to decide to continue fight no matter the cost (in theory the ideal Mandalorian warrior mindset) or to prioritizing their people’s life (a choice testifying to good leadership). And yes, those situations weren’t always exactly the same yet similar enough to see the implied(?) similarities in theoretical dissimilar characters.
So we have Jaster Mereel, the original leader of True Mandalorians. During a mission on Korda Six, when Mandalorians came across the enemy's heavy fire (and Jango ordered his people to find cover), Jaster gave an order to regroup at Jango’s location - the safest place and abort the air strike.
And once it became clear, they made a mistake to rely on second-handed intel - but before they learned it was Death Watch's trap - Jaster decided to abort the whole mission. Something quite different from what Jango will teach his son decades later (“Your loyalty, your honor – these are the things that matter. When you accept a mission, when you give your word, it is all that matters.”)
Montross however refused to regroup at Jango's location
and continued the attack, stating "we've never abandoned a mission!"
Montross survived thanks to Jaster who personally came to his aid only to betray his leader and leave him behind once Tor showed up. And while he tried to take command of True Mandalorians, he did order an evacuation, as the "Jaster's last order still stands" argument.
Then we have Tor Vizsla who during Jango’s attack on Death Watch’s ship, ordered everyone to evacuate.
And now, let’s talk about Jango Fett who started very much minded like Jaster, what was the best visible on Korda Six. The mission was his first official role as Squad Commander but he didn’t allow pride or desire to make Jaster proud to take over common sense. When it became clear his men were under too strong enemy’s fire, he ordered them to get into trenches / find cover.
However on Galidraan, as a leader of True Mandalorians, when he already knew they walked again into Death Watch’s trap, instead of de-escalate threat of the Jedi by at least trying calm down the situation and presenting what is going on behind the scene- and mind you, the Jedi did not have all facts but Fett already met Vizla at Governor's residence and as he wore helmet at that time, most likely had recorded this, not to mention all Mandalorians could present what they were doing and where they were via the recording from helmets - Fett ordered to open fire. And the Jedi naturally responded as such.
(And really, if Fett was smarter he could at least try to turn Jedi against Death Watch).
This is even more surprising choice as Jango's first reaction upon seeing Republic shuttles before even meeting eye to eye with Jedi was to call his second-in-command to order an evacuation.
Which is pretty ironic, that both Jaster and Tor, despite their ideological differences, were at some point shown to prioritizing their men’s safety by ordering retreat / evacuation, while Jango started as similar minded (Korda Six and upon seeing Republic shuttles on Galidraan) but once Jedi showed up, his attitude changed into “no running, fight whatever the cost” which not only led to great tragedy but made him more like Montross.
#star wars#jaster mereel#tor vizsla#jango fett#montross#mandalorians#mandalorian culture#jango fett: open seasons#is one of my top fav sw comics if someone still didn't notice#but really i live by the thought that jaster and tor were more alike than one may think at the first sight#you can pry it from my cold dead hands#and the irony that jango started like jaster but somehow his approach to bounty hunting / mercenary job strayed from Jaster's mindset#also WHY JANGO YOU ORDERED TO ATTACK JEDI AND DIDN'T LISTEN TO YOUR FIRST THOUGHT TO EVAC THE CAMP ASAP?!#look galidraan is a traumatic for mandalorians and they can hate jedi and all#but it was jango who escalated the conflict#i think jango operated on the idea the jedi were lied about the situation (RIGHT) and won't listen (WE WILL NEVER KNOW)#but he could at least try to negotiate / talk / present their true object aka stopping dangerous Death Watch#and then turn to violence if jedi showed zero intention to solve the problem in more diplomatic way#especially since jedi did not make a surprise attack and openly approached the mandalorians#anyway from the all Mandos I think Montross was the worst bastard as sure Tor was a cold-blooded killer but he has some common sense#to evacuate his men when situation calls the same as jaster#while montross tooks his pride over safety of comrades?
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I wish you'd write a fic where a Mando beat DW to it and Jon was raised Mando'a, and Jaster is mooning like mad over the first Mando-Jedi since Tarre Viszla.
“Clan Wren sends its regards,” Ursa says, bowing, and by all rights Jaster should be paying attention to the Countess’s daughter, should pay his own respects to the heir to Krownest, but—
He only has eyes for Ursa's brother, steady at her side.
“Welcome,” he says, and means it to both of them, to the retinue behind them, but—to Jon most of all. One Mandalorian Jedi since the days of Tarre Vizsla, and he’s right in front of Jaster, on one knee before his Mand’alor. Jaster shouldn’t be thinking of that, but right now he can't think of anything else.
Jon's armor is sleek, fitted in a way most Mandalorian armor isn't, half-hidden by the robes he wears. His face is bare, his hair drawn back in intricate braids, and he’s the loveliest thing Jaster has ever seen.
Ursa rises, straight and proud, but then, Clan Wren produced the first Mandalorian Jedi in a thousand years. They have every right to their pride. Jon rises with her, one beat behind, and when he raises his head his eyes are just as blue as Jaster remembers.
“A gift,” Jon says, low, and takes three steps forward, past his sister, right to the base of the dais. He offers it up, a small chest, the lid aged and worn and still beautiful, and looks right up at Jaster. “For the Mand’alor.”
Jaster finds it rather hard to breathe, with the weight of those eyes on him. He rises, steps down, and when he reaches for the chest he lays his hand over Jon's on the cover. There's a lightsaber on Jon's belt, and Jaster's seen the reports even if he’s never seen Jon use it. A white blade, taken and purified from a defeated Sith, and that, too, makes it hard to think of anything else.
One hand curled loose over Jon's, he slides the lid of the chest back, then pauses.
The black hilt on a bed of red silk is entirely a surprise.
“For our Mand’alor,” Ursa says, pleased, but Jaster can't look away from Jon's face, can't pull his eyes from the faint, satisfied curve of Jon's smile.
Tor is dead, and the Darksaber was hidden, but—no more. It means peace, means a claim to the throne in a way that even the staunchest holdouts will accept, and Clan Wren knows, but they're handing it over anyways.
Gently, carefully, Jaster reaches in, lifts the Darksaber free. It’s heavy in his hand, and when he raises it, there's a whisper that runs through the crowd, a hush that follows.
Tarre's blade, Jaster thinks, and lets it hum to life, as black as a midnight sky.
Jon stands where he is, watching, still wearing that small, faint smile. He’s so beautiful with the Darksaber’s glow shimmering across his features, so lovely in armor and robes and the tangle of history that he embodies, and Jaster wants everything.
He raises the Darksaber, and Tor was a cruel, dark man, to the point where Jaster only regrets not killing him sooner, but this—
This blade is the future, he thinks, and raises it, like a bolt of darkness reaching for the sky.
The Darksaber, the first Mandalorian Jedi in a thousand years. Both of them are Jaster's by right, by honor, and he has no plans to let them go.
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Teen Obi on Mandalore w/ Time Travel Boba (JangObi) - Time traveling Boba with young JangObi??? Color me very intrigued!!!
prefacing all this with that while i don’t hate kids, i’m really really not good with them due to my autism and social phobia, and don’t plan on ever having kids adopted or otherwise
BUT i got super in my feels about tiny daniel logan maybe two months ago? and was slapped with the wonderful mental scene of teen obi napping with babey boba in a hammock and now i have an entire fix it:
so obi is on mandalore for the mission with satine, but gets separated from her and qui-gon a few months in, and can’t contact anyone without bringing death watch down on his head, so he just sort of. survives? lives on the run?
haven’t figured out the semantics yet, but sometime in the future, boba is four and went with jango to serenno for whatever reason, but then ran off and touched something he shouldn’t have in dooku’s house. and he’s a LILLLL force sensitive, so because of a force wish or some shit (lmao probably thinkin about how sad jango looks all the time) gets his ass shot back a decade and a half or whatever
maybe obi is bunkered down in an old mando’ade temple, when an actual child just sort of. drops out of the air onto him.
cue two years of teen obi-wan raising boba and trying to find his buir and also qui-gon, because he’s not just going to ABANDON THIS CHILD. tor vizsla (who jango hasn’t had a chance to kill yet) somehow finds out boba is jango’s but nobody knows where jango is so death watch like. legs it after obi-wan and boba.
and maybe the order thinks obi is dead (again), or after qui puts satine in power, the jedi can’t even enter mandalore space cause satine thought obi betrayed her or some shit.
anyways, obi teaches boba about the force enough to protect and control himself, and boba teaches him blaster tricks a four year old should absolutely not know, but then also all the folklore and stories about mandalore that jango taught him.
while on the run, some true mandalorians or old clans will house them for a bit, and they have incredible respect for this teenager doing so right by one of their own (and no one ever doubts that boba is one of their own) and all teach obi little mandalorian things ‘cause SOMEONE is going to adopt him before he goes back to the jedi, or jango will come around and recruit him at some point and the haat’ade think it’s only fair to give obi a head start. maybe obi teaches them little things in return.
whenever jango manages to escape the spicers, he’s instantly bombarded with messages from home like “dude your kid is doing alright but also tor wants to kill him”, “hey we met your... riduur? nanny? anyways, boba says your armor is silver now, why the fuck—”, “hope you’re still alive, ‘cause your clan has the most mandokar since the jedi wars”, “dude if you don’t come adopt him, i’m going to”
boba isn’t stupid and absolutely knows he’s in the past, and is DETERMINED to set his buir up so he isn’t so sad in the future. meanwhile jango shows up on mandalore and tracks them down wondering why this kid that most certainly ISN’T his knows all of the codes jaster taught him to find them.
boba is immediately “buir! look i found a buir’vod! we can share him!” while jango looks down at him like “i’ve been on a spice freighter for four years, who’s fucking child are you” even tho he looks exactly like jango did at that age
boba’s been telling obi-wan stories about jango, but this jango is still young and angry and bewildered and G A Y and doesn’t know how to act in front of a) children, and b) hot people.
now have some memes i made that i had to screenshot a screenshot of cause apparently i deleted them, in order of appearance
and then fiori blessing me with this
#long post#wip game#cj answers#i won't get to write this one for a LONG time yet so have all me feelings#jangobi
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since you're taking one shots- Jaster and Jango in an AU where Jaster survives Korda 6?
I am so happy to receive this prompt. I love Jaster and Jango. I tossed in some baby Boba too because the only thing better than two generations of awesome warriors is them with their third generation as a baby.
The caff was cooler than he liked as he took a sip but it was his own fault for staying up so late and not drinking it fast enough. He still made a face at it before setting the mug down and reading over the contract his di’kut of a son had already signed. He knew why, he was angry too. But not in the way his son was. They had had their own share of arguments over it before.
“The Jedi should pay for what they did! Our people-”
“Our people are dead Jango. Killing the Jedi won’t bring them back. It’ll only continue to hurt us. We should focus on rebuilding. There were plenty of us still on Concord Dawn with the foundlings. We need to move forward, not back. Tor’s son is still out there leading the Kyr’tsad. They were weakened by Tor’s death but they will return and we need to focus on trying to deal with Satine and her supposed claim to Mandalore. Not every battle is done with weapons.” Jaster had tried to calm his broken-hearted boy but Jango wasn’t ready to hear it and had stormed out.
He had almost died on Korda 6 when Montross had betrayed them to try to take his place. But Jango had arrived just in time to save him and Montross had been banished from their ranks, despite Jango wanting to kill him. He had respected Jaster’s wishes but wasn’t happy. Jaster had been paralyzed. They didn’t have the money to afford any fancy surgeries or cybernetics so Jango had ended up buying him a simple wheelchair which his son had then set about improving and tuning for him so he would be able to get around comfortably.
Due to his injuries, he had passed his title and position onto his son and had taken a role as Jango’s advisor instead. He watched proudly as Jango stepped up into the role and lead the Haat Mando’ade with honor and courage. They were doing well and pressing the Death Watch back and cutting them off from their resources when Galidraan happened.
He had thought his son had been killed as well when the three warriors that survived returned. Three out of the hundreds of their number that had gone to help with what they were told was an insurrection. They had been set up by Tor and the local Governor and slaughtered by the Jedi. Those that had survived the massacre had been left to be dealt with by the local authorities. Which Jaster had found out had meant they had been sold into slavery.
He had grieved his son’s death, then celebrated when Jango returned to him. But his young son was not the same person. He had lost his closest friends in the worst way. They never spoke of Myles but Jaster heard Jango whimper his and the other’s names at night.
No, he wasn’t surprised his son had agreed to work against the Jedi. But he was disappointed. Still... he wouldn’t let Jango suffer alone. He had followed his son to Kamino to support him despite his misgivings about the whole situation.
He was startled from his impromptu nap when Jango walked in holding something Jaster couldn’t quite make out without the glasses that had slipped from his face in his arms.
“Buir? I thought I’d find you here. You can’t sleep in your bed like a normal person. Always have to sleep with your nose in some document.” Jango’s voice was calmer than Jaster had heard it in a long time and lightly teasing. It warmed his chest more than his old caff had.
“Jan’ika, my glasses fell. Can you get them for me? I must have dozed off in the middle of reading.” He yawned and Jaster bent down and handed Jaster back his glasses which the older man slipped on giving his son a smile.
“What is that you have there?” He asked now that he could see it was some sort of bundle Jango was cradling.
Jango gave him a bright smile, the type Jaster had thought he’d never see from him again, and knelt beside him moving the blue blanket so Jaster could see an infant curled inside sleeping peacefully all warm and protected by the cold of Kamino’s wet nights.
“This is Boba, your bu’ad, my son.” He said sounding almost reverent and Jaster was lost for words, completely confused but he reached out for the child anyway and Jango let Jaster take him and move the blankets further so he could see a bunch of dark curls gracing the ik’aad’s little head.
“You have a son?” He finally looked back at Jango who nodded.
“I thought about what you said. About continuing our people. I... I can’t. I can’t get that close with anyone now. But as part of my price for the clones, I wanted one to raise as my son. They didn’t change anything the way they plan to change the others.” Jango admitted as the infant opened up wide dark eyes and Jaster rested his forehead against the little one’s.
“He’s beautiful Jan’ika. Boba... you’re still not the most creative with naming are you?” He asked him playfully and Jango blushed.
“Boba is a good name! He’s my clone. It’s fitting and cute.” Jango argued and Jaster rolled his eyes.
“Your buir had a pet tooka he snuck in his room once, he named it Tooka. It’s okay.” Jaster whispered playfully to the baby who was now gurgling happily in his arms enjoying the warmth and affection.
“Hey, you’re my buir, all my problems are because you didn’t teach me any better. You’re only playing yourself.” Jango said and Jaster laughed.
“I was reading through the contract you signed. I think we can claim a breach and claim the clones as your property. But we’ll need to be ready for a fight. Legally and physically. If sweet Boba here is worthy of being your son, so are they.” He said firmly expecting Jango to argue but his son nodded weakly.
“I still want the Jedi to hurt but... not like this. Not with them. I made a mistake agreeing to this. We need to work fast. The longer we wait the more clones they make and the harder it will be to find us all somewhere safe to go.” He said and Jaster nodded.
“It’s good to have you back Jango. I missed you.” He hummed pulling his son close to knock their foreheads together and Jango held the position letting out a shaky sigh.
“It’s good to be back, Buir.”
#Jango Fett#Star Wars#Jaster Mereel#sw aotc#star wars open seasons#Boba Fett#Anonymous#Fanfic#Fic requests#Hurt/Comfort#baby boba fett
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Here's me massively procrastinating, and also planning for my next fic by TRYING TO MESH LEGENDS and CANON TOGETHER.
So,
The First Mandalorian Civil War (60BBY-44BBY)
These are the Legends wars that take place largely between Tor Vizsla, heading up our good friends, Death Watch, and Jaster Mereel, heading up the True Mandalorians. There also exist the New Mandalorians, but they're pretty much just keeping their heads down at this point, while Jaster and Tor blow each other up. Theoretically, clan Kryze (possibly headed by Satine's father, Adonai) is a major voice in this movement.
Death Watch = wants to blow up anyone, anytime. (Neutral on Republic)
True Mandalorians = want to get paid to blow up outsiders. (Anti-Republic)
New Mandalorians = don't really want to blow up anyone. (Pro-Republic)
The New Mandalorians are largely based on Kalevala, but they're also tentatively allied with the True Mandalorians, because there's no real beef between them. As Death Watch and True Mandalorians decimate the planet's surface in the first half of the war, the New Mandalorians exchange protection for technology. The domes of Kalevala become the signature architecture of the steadily eroding surface of Mandalore proper.
Around the start of the war, the True Mandalorians raise a standing army of professional warriors. This is the main fighting force against a much more ragged, and ruthless Death Watch. They are lead by Jaster Mereel.
52BBY Jaster Mereel dies. Jango, his ward, takes over as Mand'alor. Death Watch is winning.
Somewhere around like, 58ish BBY, the True Mandalorians under Jango scored a major victory against Death Watch. They feel like Death Watch is on their last legs, and it's only a matter of time. The peace between the New Mandalorians and the True Mandalorians is delicate, but still holding. Presumably, by this point if not sooner, Adonai Kryze is heading up this movement. He is a New Mandalorian coming from True Mandalorian stock, so he knows how to fight wars, and lead armies...he's just thinking now's the time to not.
44BBY Death Watch lures the True Mandalorians into the ambush at Galidraan. Jedi Master Dooku is tricked into attacking the True Mandalorians, and the True Mandalorians fire on the Jedi fleets first. Dooku's padawan, and more than 6 Jedi are killed in the fighting. The only True Mandalorian left alive is Jango, who the Jedi deliver to the Governor of Galidraan (who had called for their help against the Mandalorians in the first place). Jango is essentially enslaved for two years. Tor Vizsla and the Death Watch go back to Concordia to regroup...but they are the power party now. There is a delicate peace for 2 years. The True Mandalorians are basically wiped out. Death Watch is rebuilding. The New Mandalorians are helping rebuild Mandalore.
42BBY, Jango escapes. He goes back to Concordia. He kills Tor Vizsla. Civil war breaks out AGAIN. Overwhelmed, and angry, Jango leaves Mandalorian space, taking the title of Mand'alor with him. The True Mandalorians are left nearly decimated, and leaderless.
NOW - BRIDGING TO CANON (filling in with head canon as we go).
42BBY Tor Vizsla is killed. Death Watch starts fighting again. They move from Concordia to Mandalore proper, and make a strike on a Vhett target. The Vhett’s were splintered between Old Mandalorians** and New Mandalorians, and traditionally from Concord Dawn - there is a succession crisis because Jango drops the title of Mand’alor and leaves the clan leaderless. No one helps them, so Death Watch takes over, and begins moving.
41BBY Death Watch has Concordia, and Krownest. They are slaughtering any Old Mandos, and also New Mandos. Death Watch blows Concord Dawn apart. The Old Mandos are shocked. The New Mandos know they have to do something.
40BBY Death Watch decides to strike at Mandalore itself. The Old Mandos make a last stand at Keldabe, but it falls to DW. They absolutely decimate the city. The Old Mandalorians appeal to the New Mandalorians that their people are getting slaughtered, and without Jango, they are leaderless. The Vhett’s renounce him as dar’manda because of his abandonment. Adonai is persuaded into sending men to help in Keldabe. There, his cousin (the “third sibling”) is killed, by the Elder Vizsla, and his body desecrated as a message to Adonai. Adonai sends Satine to Coruscant, and Bo to Sundari (The Academy?)- away from her family, but in a New Mandalorian stronghold.
39BBY Adonai marshals the New Mandalorians to war, and begins leading them against Death Watch. It is still a small force, but he is making plans to appeal to the Republic, and ask for outside interference. In late 39BBY he is assassinated, and his body taken back to Kalevala. Bo goes missing. Satine is recalled home.
38BBY Satine spends two months on the run, and a further ten months as a fugitive personally rallying the clans to her pacifist cause. She is determined not to fail as her father, but to end the war, and prove that it can be done without bloodshed.
Anyway, feel free to disagree, but this is how I've reconciled it.
**Old Mandalorians are what remain of the True Mandalorians. They are not the fighting force, but they are the families, and followers who - for whatever reason - were not active warriors, but still follow the Mand'alor, and the "old ways" (which, are only debatably old. There are MUCH older ways [including old gods, and peace movements])
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@a-world-in-grey @illusorygardens @sparklecryptid @hamelin-born @secret-engima because each of you seemed interested in this idea
so.
the entire thing is 30% Nyx's fault and 70% Ramuh's fault. because a non-Lucis Caelum wielding the Ring of Lucii left it's mark and made things.... incorrect in terms of Nyx's death
the Ring kind of laid claim to Nyx's soul and, instead of going to the afterlife he was supposed to be at, was trying to drag him into the Crystal
which Ramuh decided nope, not going to happen and just pushes Nyx's soul into the reincarnation cycle somewhere outside of the Crystal's influence
so eventually Nyx Ulric is reborn in a galaxy far, far away as Jango Fett which, with Ramuh kind of... intertwining with the Manda/Force/whatever, means he'll be able to go where he's supposed when he dies this time
of course when people find out about Nyx being reborn elsewhere many decide that they have to follow him
and more were tossed into things as a kind of... rehabilitation program?
the Fetts
only Arla and Jango are reincarnations
Selene winds up reborn first because detangling Nyx from the Ring took a bit longer
she isn't born Knowing, none of them are, but when Jango is born and Arla holds her brother for the first time she Knows
Jango spends most of his childhood unaware. He finds it a bit odd why Arla seems to be both amused and oddly delighted each time he calls her ori'vod but his sister is weird so he just goes with it
then their parents are killed and, amidst blood and fire and death, he remembers
then Jaster is dragging him away and he fights because he just got his sister back, just remembered what it was like to lose her and have to live without her, he's not letting it happen again
and he warps
(Nyx doesn't have magic, not like a true Lucis Caelum, but the Ring - for all that Ramuh severed it's connection to him - left... echoes.
He can still warp, it's familiar and easy as breathing to him, and he can reach out and share magic with someone but he has no armiger, he can't make potions or elixirs, what shields and elemental magic he can do is limited
but it's enough)
Nyx tosses the blade - a kukri, like he used to have, like their mother owned and taught them to uses as children in Galahd - his sister got him and warps back into the burning house
Arla - Selene, he knows it in his bones, can see it in how she switches from shooting a blaster to using a kukri to dig into the gaps of the armor as easily as she breaths - is fighting two Death Watch, she's holding them off but more are coming they just have to wait
so Nyx doesn't
He darts in, wraps an arm around his sister - has a moment to see horror cross her face - before he is warping them both out the house
the - king - Mand'alor definitely has questions when they appear so suddenly but there are more pressing matters and Nyx has time to figure out an answer
(Nyx never has to answer those questions, the Mand'alor always has a special connect to the Manda and Ramuh makes use of this to explain enough to satisfy Jaster
and if Ramuh hints at Jaster adopting both Fetts, despite Arla being technically old enough to be considered an adult, well that not favoritism that's just logic)
Jango and Arla become bounty hunters, though it's less of a full time thing and more of a I'm done dealing with politics I'm gonna go hunt something thing, and because they've no need for subtly decide to "hide" who they are by going by Nyx and Selene Ulric when on a job
technically both of them are in line to be the next Mand'alor and there pretty much even in terms of who the people want to be the next one
however, neither of them want the responsibility - or the politics, or the paperwork - and so basically try to... talk up the other as the better candidate
Nyx neatly solves this by taking on a bounty that leads to him getting a job on Kamino. and sure, it sounds super shady but there's no way his sister will be able to find him in time to keep herself from being declared Mand'alor
this holds out until the Alphas are made and then Nyx has a moment of oh shit i am a dad of a hundred and counting now
there is much panic and flailing, the comm message is basically incoherent
Selene starts praying for Libertus to show up because she left her brother unsupervised for one job. ONE. and this happens? clearly he needs his proper braincell back
and on that topic, let's head to the other, non-Ulric reincarnations real quick
Libertus is either Obi-Wan or Feemor, it depends entirely on how much I want Obi-Wan to have a proper big brother and Libertus to fuss over Obi-Wan's self-care, self-esteem and just everything really
if Libertus is Obi-Wan then Titus is gonna be Feemor, if Libertus is Feemor then Titus is going to be Dooku
which, you know what. I like that. Libertus is now Feemor, Obi-Wan gets his big brother and Titus is Dooku
so when that mission to Galidraan comes up, Dooku goes and sees Jango for the first time and suddenly Titus comes rushing in. and he's confronted with what is clearly TWO Ulrics before him
he is a Sigh
on the upside the mission ends mostly peaceful, none of the True Mandalorians are killed by Jedi and Death Watch gets dealt with
and there is now a, kind of nebulous, alliance between the Jedi and Mando
Titus!Dooku returns to the Jedi Temple and decides to reconnect with his lineage instead of isolating himself because clearly that kind of stuff didn't work the first time
and then he meets, after much scolding of Qui-Gon, Feemor who he can already tell is Libertus just waiting to wake up
he promptly tells Feemor that he should pay a visit to Mandalore as soon as possible and meet the future - because Nyx definitely saved Jaster on Korda 6 - Mand'alor
and Feemor may have intended to do so, however begrudgingly, but then he found a padawan and didn't really have time for a side trip to Mandalore
(which is good because he definitely would have stopped the clones from happening)
as for the rest.... well Crowe is Asohka, of course. For some reason I really like the idea of Luche as Xanatos du Crion?
Sonitus is Mando, not sure if he's reincarnated as someone already, but he's the kid of an armorer. Tredd I'm thinking Pre Vizsla maybe?
Pelna I'm thinking him being over in Corellia, not sure if he's a Corellian Jedi or if he winds up as a senator. Axis... I have half a mind for him to be Maul — or maybe Feral?
anyway, everyone only remembers when they see Nyx, hence why Titus!Dooku is trying to get Feemor to meet Jango
Sonitus actually remembers before Titus does, he's the son of one of Jaster's armorers and runs into Jango when he's old enough to start helping his buir
after that, Luche is actually the next to remember — because if I recall, Jango is only three years younger then Xanatos and the year Xanatos became a padawan was the same year that a some kind of pandemic spread through the galaxy, starting with Mandalore. so that sounds like a good set up to a potential mission for Jango and Xanatos to meet
next would be Tredd, which happens because Tor Vizsla dies via two protective Ulrics and so the Maat Mando'ade take in most of Death Watch after killing a bunch of the higher ranked ones
and then the few of Death Watch who got away set up Galidraan to try and wipe out the Haat Mando'ade and Titus remembers
Pelna and Libertus actually run into each other and make friends before remembering then, shortly after Feemor leaves Corellia, Nyx arrives and then Pelna remembers
honestly, Libertus is one of the last to remember but with multiple instances of where he just almost runs into Nyx
Luche!Xanatos finds Axis!Maul, drags him to meet Nyx and remember, then promptly returns to the Jedi Temple declaring he has a new padawan
then the clones happen and Ramuh gives Selene a break and reveals that Feemor is Libertus so she goes marching up to the Jedi Order and lowkey kidnaps Feemor - and his padawan who is having the time of their life right now - to drag him to Kamino
and then Feemor meets Jango and seconds later Libertus is yelling at Nyx over dying - then he finds out about the clones and yells some more over that
Crowe is the last one to remember timeline-wise but that's just because she's born later, she basically remembers as soon as she's taken to the Temple because Libertus is on creché duty with Nyx and she sees them
thats all I remember so BACK TO THE CLONES
the clones are raised as both Mando and Galahadian, and they get to choose—
choose if they feel more Galahadian, or if the want to swear to Resol'nare and be a proper Mando'ade instead of a Mando-raised Galahadian
of course there are those who are both, who have their armor painted in clan colors and clan braids not only in their hair but on display - in braided leather strips hanging from their armor
the clones also get to choose on if their names - not just if they want to name themselves or if they want Nyx to do it (and if they'd want a Mando or Galahadian name) but also if they want to be a Fett, Ulric or any combination of the two, or even something else entirely
after Selene finds out, and drags Libertus into things, a plot is hatched to kidnap the clones
Titus gets dragged into things because he's an older and respected jedi, and might be on the council, and basically changes the "order"
so the four of them wind up taking all the clones, now into the thousands with the oldest - Alphas - being preteen age?, and just flying first to Mandalore then straight to the Jedi Temple
they head to Mandalore first so that Selene can officially declare them citizens, Jaster gets to learn he's a grandfather thousands of times over and Nyx gets yelled at again
then they take any clones that didn't decide to stay on Mandalore over to the jedi temple where they waltz up to the jedi council and inform them about the army ordered for them
eventually it winds up with the rest of the clones getting added to the creché, in their own clans though raised along the jedi younglings
things get restructured a bit since most of the clones are not Force-sensitive, though some ARE because that's cool, and there's no way Nyx is going to be kept from visiting his kids
so you got some retired Mandos now in the creche with entire clans of clones that they've adopted, doesn't matter if they're a Fett or Ulric
you also got clones that straight up adopt various jedi so there's that too
anyways, Luche!Xanatos is the one who figures out about the chips which ignites all the protective rage and an investigation over just who ordered the clones though that winds up a bit of a dead end for a while
misc.
I'm not entirely sure if the Clone Wars happen here? if it does occur then it's not gonna be Republic vs Separatists because there's no Dooku to be a puppet leader — instead I think that winds up with the Sith Empire actually being reformed?
(which, has many a reincarnations seething because they already dealt with an evil empire and now there's another)
if that happens then Dathomir gets raided at some point for Sidious and Plageuis to steal Nightbrothers to raise as acolytes to help with their war
which in turn leads to some Nightsisters to side with the Jedi/Mando side because that's their future being stolen — also so Crowe!Asohka can learn about their magic and stuff because that'd be amazing
ANYWAYS
the ffxv world, i think the planet is still called Eos in it?, does in fact exist. it's just a planet floating in wild space
it is also a very, very long time since the happenings of ffxv
not sure if there's still people on planet or not, but it's definitely wilder and less tamed, all overgrown and filled with creatures
not sure which reincarnation finds this... let's say Pelna because I barely even mentioned him
hhhhhhh
Anakin Skywalker... I am not sure — he's brought to the temple young because there's no way anyone is gonna let slavery slide and Ramuh might have noticed his birth and started poking at someone to go investigate
Shmi winds up free and adopted, Shmi Skywalker-Ulric maybe? she works with Selene and both take the Senate by storm whenever they have to visit
Anakin winds up and Ulric by virtue of being Shmi's son
Libertus, purely out of self-defense, promptly adopts Obi-Wan to braincell for the newest Ulric - or, well, Obi-Wan may already be adopted by then and Lib just yeets his baby brother at the little Ulric to braincell
.....i think that's all the thoughts i have right now
#star wars#ffxv#long post#which i am sorry for but i did this on moble and can't do the read more thing#but i tagged it so people can skip!!
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